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I heard someone on a talk show mention that even though Ann Romney has MS she is fortunate because she has never had to worry about paying bills.      I also remember hearing that Ann Romney had made a comment to the effect that everyone with MS could benefit by horseback riding.
     These two ideas made me wonder about all the people with MS who can not afford health insurance, let alone $70,000 a year for a horse.  
       Mrs. Romney can you imagine what it would be like to have MS without insurance coverage?    Can you imagine what it would be like to have MS and be losing your home to forclosure?    Can you imagine what it would be like to be raising 5 boys on $400 a week while coping with MS?    Please try to imagine because I am sure someone in this nation who has MS is also coping with lack of money, lack of health care and the possibility of loosing their only home.
      Please think about how your Husband's policy on health care would effect these people.    ACA is a step in the right direction.    Do not let it be repealed.

       If any of you have MS please share how you are coping?    

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  •  Rafalca is not a therapy horse. Ann Romney does (11+ / 0-)

    not ride Rafalca for therapy, nor is she the horse's rider.  Rafalca is purely a business investment for the Romneys, which is how they get to declare a "loss" and get a tax deduction for the horse's upkeep and expenses:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/...

    The linked article is very interesting in particular for its mention of many of the kinds of tax loopholes and subtleties that the Romneys are expert at taking advantage of, and seem to have taken advantage of, with regard to this horse.  For example, they don't call the horse a "hobby", because you can't deduct a "hobby"--- no matter how often Ann and Mitt Romney have spoken about Ann's passion for horses as her "hobby".  

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:01:12 PM PDT

  •  Agreed. The whole thing is a ruse to excuse their (3+ / 0-)
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    ridiculous and expensive hobby.  

    Someone should actually pose your scenario to them when they are waxing lyrical about how horseback riding "cured" her of MS.

    If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

    by livjack on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:17:08 PM PDT

    •  livjack - there is no connection. (1+ / 0-)
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      See my post and several others for the facts.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:19:14 PM PDT

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      •  VClib--the Romneys make the connection every (1+ / 0-)
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        single time they discuss Rafalca.  I realize she doesn't ride him in Olympic competition, but they never fail to link the two--how she got into horsebackriding so she could, what was it...walk again....and then it led to their owning an Olympian tax write-off.  

        If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

        by livjack on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 07:12:11 PM PDT

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        •  Morning Joe and the horse (5+ / 0-)

          I am watching Morning Joe right now and Joe Scarborough  is ponitifcating about Rafalka, the Olympics and Ann's therapy.  These things are tied together in the media.

          •  that ann romney is recommending hippotherapy (1+ / 0-)
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            for ms riders is excellent and worthy.

            the medical studies using ct scans before and after riding on ms patients have proven unequivocally that there is improvement in brain synapse and function due to the movement and stimulation from the movement of the horse and interaction with the rider.

            please stop with the uninformed "opinion" based libel regarding the value of equine therapy for all types of medical conditions.

            i am personally delighted that ann romney makes it widely known that hippotherapy helps - perhaps others with ms and
            other mobility problems will find relief in this treatment (SOME of which is actually paid by insurance!)

            information is your friend.  internet hyperventilation is not.

            •  please site these studies. Thanks! (0+ / 0-)

              If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

              by livjack on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 05:41:35 AM PDT

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              •  do you know how to use google? (0+ / 0-)

                just type in MS and hippotherapy and start reading.  i've already linked studies in other diaries.  this time, i don't have time so ou have tod oour own reading.

                here is the link to the results. that much i've done to help you realize how easy it is to find information via google.

                •  ah, teh google.... (0+ / 0-)

                  If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

                  by livjack on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:18:47 PM PDT

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                  •  that links to actual medical studies, complete (0+ / 0-)

                    with technical interpretation of ct scans before and after riding.

                    i use google for many reasons - research.  but the real task is to evaluate the sources.  when i "google", i run multiple searches with multiple phrasing to pull up credible sources.

                    i hate the 'most popular response" type of google.  don't do it, don't like it.

                    i search for scientific studies, educational institutions, multiple sources and then read them all and compare to see if they are in sync.

                    must the the carryover from my early days as a bio major - scientific method and all that.

                    i never take the first thing i read as gospel.  i look for sources that link sources, then i check those sources and keep on digging.  l love jigsaw puzzles and i love getting to the proverbial bottom of things.

                    that is how the internet can be used as an extended learning tool.  heck, i even took an entire geology course online for kickers (free) from univ.of wisconsin in madison - just cuz.

                    i don't understand how people spend all their time on facebook or social sites when there is so much to read online.  heck - findlaw, for example.  i LOVE perusing through legal rulings on subjects of interest.

                    dailykos used to be more of the link and learn site than it is now.  now it seems to be "this my opinion and i don't have to back it up" - of late.

                    us oldtimers around here still do the link, link, link thing - it's habit by now.

                    best,

                    e

                    •  You know, edrie, I have been glib, and I apologize (1+ / 0-)
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                      However, there is something about this whole thing with the Romneys that make my sensors go off.  I don't know if it's fair--but I feel they may well be using this horse therapy connection in order to gain sympathy.

                      I'll try to be a little less skeptical and give them the benefit of the doubt that it helped Ann.  Thanks for your information.

                      If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

                      by livjack on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 10:08:17 AM PDT

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                      •  thank you for your response! (0+ / 0-)

                        i've watched children wheeled into the barn unable to sit upright without being strapped into their chairs - i've side walked (people on all sides supporting that little body as the horse moves underneath them.

                        i've watched those same children one month later sitting on that horse without being help up and sitting in their wheelchairs without being strapped in.

                        this is why i've been so "testy" in these threads - i have SEEN the miracles that hippotherapy does and watched the faces of withdrawn children suddenly erupt with excitement and exhuberance.  for this one thing alone, i can give ann romney credit - she has brought this type of therapy to the foreground and it will, in the future, be options for many who never knew it existed.

                        now, remove the ms, horse therapy, love of horses, etc., and i dislike her still for her total disconnect with the rest of the world.  but, at least in this one small area, she deserves some recognition.

                        there's another side to this equation that we may be overlooking.  are we blaming ann romney for her husband's behavior?  look at the culture in which she lives - subservient at all times.  she is as much a victim of romney's behavior and beliefs as anyone he touches, imho.

                        she was expected to pop out babies non-stop, be the obedient wife, do what she was told, not have a personality except in how it bolstered him... i actually feel sorry for her.

                        now, i don't want her in the white house, that's for sure, but since she was born into this controlling "church", what choices did she really have if she weren't strong enough to run away.  so, instead, she settled for the "perks" of money and what little prestige from what a good little puppet wife can muster.

                        yep. i feel sorry for her, i really do - and i was pulling for rafalca and eberling in the olympics SOLELY on the ground that they were there - a huge accomplishment by any standard.  that was ann's moment in the sun outside of the damaging radiation of attention of her husband.  good for her! i hope she had a blast in london!

  •  For the zillionth time... (6+ / 0-)

    the $70,000 deduction was taken on on a business expense that has absolutely nothing to do with Ann Romney's own personal riding.  It's not the same horse, the two things are completely unrelated other than the fact that they both involve a horse.  

    That $70,000 was not spent on MS therapy.  The Romneys have never said that it was for Ann's therapy.  

    Kossacks are a very smart and well-read bunch...let's get our facts straight here!

    •  MY point had nothing to do with the deduction (3+ / 0-)
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      My point is that the Romneys are totally out of touch with  the reality for many people in this nation, some of whom have MS.   You would think a person with such a devastating disease would empathize with other victims of the disease but the Romneys are determined to overturn the ACA without any thought about the effects
      on fellow MS sufferers.
            I realize the $70,000 was a business deduction.   However, I believe that is one of the deductions that should be eliminated from the tax code.

  •  kamsgram - therapy riding is free (3+ / 0-)

    in many communities, including mine. Both of my daughters, who were accomplished equestrians, worked as volunteers in riding therapy programs. The use of the horses, coaching, facilities were all free to the patients. You need very experienced riders to help with the therapy so that both the patients and the horses remain calm and safe. There is no doubt that if you have wealth you could access more riding therapy, but please stop connecting the Olympic dressage horse with therapy riding. The only connection was that Ann Romney started riding to improve her muscle strength while battling MS, and that experience encouraged her to become involved in a business that buys, trains, and sells dressage horses. The business, and its associated tax losses, have nothing to do with MS therapy.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:18:01 PM PDT

    •  Well said (8+ / 0-)

      And while I don't have MS, I did have breast cancer, and my gallant little horse was the only therapy to which I didn't have a violent reaction.

      kd-portrait

      I mean, c'mon.  How could you not love that face?

      Don't practice. Train.--Brian Harvey

      by luvsathoroughbred on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:39:57 PM PDT

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    •  free??? (2+ / 0-)
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          Therapy riding programs do not exist in every community.   The program closest to our urban community is 30 miles away.  This may not seem like much to middle class families but MS also strikes members of families who do not have access the transportation.     I appreciate that your daughters volunteer  for to work with a therapy program but  as a Social Worker,  I find there are usually long waiting lists for any free program.   Therefore some people are denied access.  

      •  kamsgram - I understand that not everyone has (1+ / 0-)
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        can take advantage of horse riding therapy and the wealthy will always have access to more healthcare resources than other people. However, the Olympic horse is not a therapy horse, Ann Romney doesn't ride her, and the horse business where Ann is a minority partner is not connected in any way to MS therapy.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 07:47:58 PM PDT

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      •  You are right about travel, (1+ / 0-)
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        but there are places that will not deny anyone who needs it. A good friend works with the CSBs and just about every program for the needy, to try to give therapy to anyone who might benefit.Copper Crest Farm. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of Copper Crests. No waiting lists. She will make time.
        The Therapy Program usually operates in the red, but donations and fundraisers sometimes push it up into break even.
        I donate, and volunteer when I can. Her paying students also volunteer many hours.

        Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

        by emmasnacker on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 08:28:25 PM PDT

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        •  appreciation (0+ / 0-)

          I appreciate places like Copper Crest Farm and people who volunteer to help others.   Thank you to you and your friend.  
           My post was not meant to denigrate horses or riding therapy.    I have a friend whose autistic son has benefited from riding therapy.   I also have worked with many other families with children who could have benefited but for whom the barriers are too great.    
                I am just trying to point out the many economic levels of families in our country and the importance of ACA which Mr. Romney states he will destroy as his first act as President.  
                 I hope every equestrian therapy center manages to stay in business and that more will be established.  

      •  then organize and start one. nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  Speaking of Ann's Multiple Sclerosis, (5+ / 0-)

    evidently Ann has raised or donated (quite a bit of) money for some MS foundations, who are now caught between a rock and a hard place.

    But there's a problem: MS advocates say that policies Romney now supports would be detrimental for many MS sufferers, and they are actively opposing these proposals. Which means that Mitt Romney is now at odds with the MS community he and his wife have long supported.

    Earlier this year, Mitt and Ann made a short video called "Soul Mate" for his presidential campaign in which they talked about what it was like in 1998 when Ann was diagnosed as having the degenerative nerve disease. "Probably the toughest time of my life," Mitt said. The campaign video ended with a pitch for people to donate to the National MS Society.

    National MS advocates are appreciative of Ann Romney's efforts to help boost the profile of the disease and raise money for the cause, but they are opposing her husband's campaign health care policy proposals, many of which are mirrors of GOP legislation currently pending in Congress. MS advocates believe many of the proposals would be extremely harmful to most people with multiple sclerosis.

    http://www.motherjones.com/...

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:38:26 PM PDT

    •  skohayes - I think the MS Foundation will still (3+ / 0-)
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      cash any check the Romney's send them.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 03:47:33 PM PDT

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      •  Of that I have no doubt (3+ / 0-)
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        It's good that they're being public about what they think of Romney's health care plan, though.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 04:16:08 PM PDT

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      •  But what good has the MS foundation (0+ / 0-)

        ever done for any MS patient? All they ask is for more donations.

        •  Well they do pay for a lot of research, (1+ / 0-)
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          but I understand what you're talking about. I feel the same way about the American Cancer Society.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 03:35:17 AM PDT

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          •  Yes we do. And thanks for reading. (0+ / 0-)

            I have felt, for a long time, that once we remove the 'overhead' of health care from our economy, that the US of A might once again become the go to place for anyone with a better 'mouse-trap idea start-up business".

            And that does not even begin to address the lack of a comprehensive US industrial or health care policy. It is all connected. But i digress.

            With any disease that devastates the entire family with 24/7 care and no cure at any price, it doesn't help much to drain all available funds, only to declare bankruptcy. It hurts the patient, it hurts her/his family that has sacrificed so much already, and it hurts us all. Financially and spiritually.

            We are better than that. You are. I am. Let's make it happen.

    •  This is exactly why I posed the questions. (2+ / 0-)
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      I have no beef with therapy horses and would like to see every person who needs therapy of any kind be able to access it.     I just see Ann Romney as a person who has no idea that poor people exist and that some of them have MS but cannot access any kind of health care.      How could the Romneys oppose ACA knowing how devastating an illness can be?
         

  •  I riding the horse is such good therapy (1+ / 0-)
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    why isn't she riding it?

    I don't mean in the Olympics I mean at all?

    •  The horse is a business deduction (2+ / 0-)
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      They claim it as such on their taxes. She's never ridden this horse. Investing in expensive horses is what saved her from becoming wheel chair bound.

      How sad all MS sufferers aren't able to do this kind of investing themselves. Why hasn't she stared a group of MS people and taught them about investing in 1/2 million dollar horses? Imagine how many people could benefit from that.

      O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

      by Kevanlove on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 05:44:39 PM PDT

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      •  Who knew the about the powerful healing (1+ / 0-)
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        power of investing? Just think, if you have enough money, you can cure AIDS, cancer, dementia, etc.

        I think we need a new religion. Instead of snake handlers, we can just pass around checks made out for ridiculously large amounts. Call us the money handlers. We could cure anything and everything, even erectile dysfunction. Er, what? We already have a religion based on money handlers?

        Oh, snap.

    •  Ann does ride (1+ / 0-)
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      but not Rafalca. I hear she's a pretty respectable dressage rider. And I love dressage, especially with the non-traditional (less expensive) horse breeds. But that doesn't mean I love Anne & Mitt.

      “Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

      by minglewood on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 06:38:15 PM PDT

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    •  haven't you been paying attention? (0+ / 0-)

      ann romney DOES ride - she also competes and has very respectable scores in dressage, earning the bronze, silver and gold medal designations for her scores from the USDF.

  •  Willard says Ann has conquered MS (2+ / 0-)
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    Another delusion in Willard's imaginary world.

    That's what I find so very, very, sad.

    MS isn't like that.

    Yet, I somehow think that he'll just find something else that those people have done to hurt poor Willard. Not Ann, Willard.

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 06:34:14 PM PDT

  •  your diary is filled with inaccuracies. (1+ / 0-)
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    riding with disabilities doesn't mean that person has to OWN the horse, much less pay $70k a year to do so.

    i do NOT pay that amount for my horse.  

    so, please stop with the disinformation.  it isn't helpful.

    instead, why don't you go and visit some of the hippotherapy facilities in your own neighborhood.  locally, we have numerous ones, including one that specializes in helping returning wounded veterans.

    so... stop.

    thank you.

    •  MIstaken assumption (0+ / 0-)

      I did not make any assumption about the cost or need to own a therapy horse.    i am familiar with the Equestrian Therapy program  in my neighboring county.  
          I am not attacking horses or horse lovers.   Please reread my original post with an open mind.
          I am only pointing out that there is a huge disconnect between the Romneys and the rest of us.   This disconnect has direct implications on his run for the Presidency because Mr. Romney has stated his first act will be to repeal the ACA.
          i wonder why you are so defensive about this issue?

  •  why am i beginning to suspect these "horse" (0+ / 0-)

    diaries are a deliberate attempt at distraction from the real issues regarding mitt romney's policies?

    these are a waste of energy and effort... therefore, i'm outta here.

  •  I don't have MS. (0+ / 0-)

    My father had MS, so I've lived with it.

    My father didn't get a definitive diagnosis for years after displaying symptoms. In the early years, he could walk for short distances, but had limited stamina. And he would always drop things. That was the first sign of neurological disease. In his last years, he had trouble walking at all. Imagine personal care for someone like that. My mother is a saint in my eyes.

    Most of his years with MS were filled with being moved in a wheelchair. And being the stubborn Norski he was, he would try to walk when he felt he could. And then he would fall. And let me tell you, it isn't easy to pick up a 200 lb. man and put him in a wheelchair without damaging him, or yourself. Or just getting him upright.

    I tell you this because I want to illustrate the reality of MS. If my father could have had a dressage horse it would have made no sense as a therapy. What a dressage horse costs could have gone towards palliative therapy, or participation in research studies.

    Doctors that are MS specialist have told my family that his case was somewhat unique in that it was not severe onset and he lived a high quality of life for so long, remarkable they said. He lived to age 72.

    Amazing that a family dependant on Social Security disability and dependant payments could survive as well as we did. Well, that and my mother always worked. Low wages of course, because, well, that's women's work.

    So we survived, but perhaps did not flourish enough to become vulture capitalists. And we survived, but have always had a lack of health care, and a legacy of poor dental care, and a lifetime of missed opportunity because we did not have the connections or cash in a Swiss trust fund to pave our future to Easy Street. So we survived.

    I'm not that bitter about it all, but when it is thrown in my face as the insult defined as 'Mitt' Rmoney, I say, and you can quote me on this, "Fuck you Rmoney, and the dancing horse you rode in on".

    /End Of Rant

    •  Thank You (0+ / 0-)

      Thank you BusyinCA.    I believe there are many more families like yours that will benefit from the ACA.   This is the point I was trying to make.  
             How can people vote for this man who is either sooo totally out of touch that he has no idea what life is like for many of us  or is totally heartless.
             The defensive replies I have been getting makes me believe there are others who also have no idea what life is like for people who are not in their income bracket.  

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