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Newt Gingrich is standing behind Mitt Romney's false welfare attack ad against President Obama, but at least he's being honest about why:
Newt Gingrich admitted Wednesday evening that Mitt Romney's presidential campaign has no evidence the Obama administration dropped work requirements from the nation's welfare law, contradicting a Romney TV ad released a day earlier.

"We have no proof today, but I would say to you under Obama’s ideology it is absolutely true that he would be comfortable sending a lot of people checks for doing nothing," Gingrich told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "I believe that totally."

Gingrich is wrong, but at least he's admitting Romney's attack has nothing to do with actual facts and is instead based entirely on what Republicans believe about President Obama. In other words, Romney's attack is an expression of their own anxieties about what President Obama might at some point do in the future, not the reality of what the president has actually done.

Even Rick Santorum echoed that line of thinking, telling reporters on a conference call that Obama could "potentially gut" welfare reform at some point in the future. Yeah, sure, like Mitt Romney's might "potentially" release a tax return showing that he actually a 35 percent tax rate over the past decade. Still, "potentially" is a big difference from Romney's ad, which claimed Obama had already gutted welfare reform. Santorum's language tacitly concedes that Romney's claim is false.

Bottom line: Mitt Romney asked the guy who called Obama a "food stamp president" and the guy who said he wanted to stop giving welfare to "blah people" to defend his welfare ad. And neither one of them could do it.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 08:44 AM PDT.

Also republished by Kos Georgia and Daily Kos.

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  •  Mitt also has now adopted Rick Perry's (12+ / 0-)

    "Obama's waging war on Religion" message, because that worked out so well for Perry.

    It's like he's still running for the GOP primary.

    I wonder if the GOP has decided the Presidential race is a wash and their best bet to holding the House, and dreaming of overtaking the Senate is to whip the GOP base into an even more rabid frenzy than usual.

    Even if it costs the Mittbot the Presidency, an enthused GOP electorate could swing some of the close congressional races their way.

    You're not being "oppressed" when another group gains rights you've always enjoyed.

    by Scott Wooledge on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 08:49:58 AM PDT

  •  Soshulizim! (9+ / 0-)

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 08:50:23 AM PDT

  •  "We know we're liars, we just don't care" (18+ / 0-)

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 08:52:33 AM PDT

  •  Primary Losers to line up for 2nd chance?? (10+ / 0-)

    Let the Tampa Sweepstakes (VeepStakes?) begin!

    Actually Newt is just trying to do his contractual work for having his debts paid off.  Mitt needed "an Historian."

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 08:56:26 AM PDT

  •  I saw Gingrich on the Situation Room (5+ / 0-)

    last night and was just blown away by teh stupid. Unbelievably, he defended Michele Bachmann against charges of McCarthyism by defending McCarthyism itself. He claims he'll have some part in the convention, not as a prime-time speaker, but in giving (presumably paid) seminars to attendees. It wouldn't be a GOP event without Newt there lining his pockets. What a freak show this convention is going to be.

    "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

    by cadejo4 on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:15:44 AM PDT

    •  Newt: (3+ / 0-)
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      Behind McCarthyism, there were real spies
      Yes, several actual spies were ....and apparently still are a reason  to ruin the lives of many perfectly innocent people.

      That's some funky history snake oil booze Newt is selling drinking.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:22:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  We know it isn't true - but believe it is so (10+ / 0-)

    Nothing sums up the ideologues on the right more clearly than that.

    •  Exactly, That Is Why When You Talk With A ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ItsSimpleSimon, marty marty

      ... conservative, it doesn't matter that Obama has:

      1) the lowest federal tax rate in 30 years
      2) the smallest increase in federal spending in 60 years
      3) more private jobs created than Bush I and II combined
      4) provided even more lax gun regulations

      because Obama is a Democrat, and the conservative just KNOWS, thanks to Fox and right wing radio, that Obama has increased taxes, spending, destroyed jobs and taken away the guns.  And when they are confronted with facts to the contrary, they simple say he is a Democrat and they know that if hasn't done all those things quite yet, that eventually he will.  There literally is no way to talk to these people.  But that won't stop me from letting them know they are full of shit when they try and spew the "high tax",
      "big spender", "economy destroyer", and "gun taker" talking points.

      Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

      by howd on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:10:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hahaha Popcorn!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:34:35 AM PDT

  •  Is Newty a Dem now? WTF-He still hates Willard (2+ / 0-)
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    Get the popcorn.

    80 % of success is showing up

    Corporate is not the solution to our problem

    Corporate is the problem

    by Churchill on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:53:57 AM PDT

  •  wow, the headline does not convey the insanity (6+ / 0-)

    contained in the 'logic'

    It's not true - but it could be!

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:54:02 AM PDT

  •  They have nothing on Obama (6+ / 0-)

    Everyone knows who he is.  This stupid welfare attack is desperation.

    "There are no more battleground states. Just battle won or battle winning!" Me

    by givemhellHarryR on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:55:24 AM PDT

  •  Potentially... (3+ / 0-)
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    RMoney might someday tell a genuinely heartwarming anecdote that makes no mention of trees or Nascar owners.

  •  Waaaait... Rmoney gets to make claims with... (11+ / 0-)

    No actual proof, and everybody's just fine with it...

    But the Reid states that he was told something and suddenly he needs notarized statements?

    Republicans are no longer talking out both sides of their mouths.  They have grown a new mouth and are talking out of it... oh wait, that's their ASS.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:56:33 AM PDT

    •  Not notarized. (1+ / 0-)
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      Sworn testimony, yes under penalty of perjury (including death), in front of the US Supreme Court, and captured on live video.... By Fox News.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:26:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Just like their scaremongering over guns: (7+ / 0-)

    Yeah, we know Obama hasn't tried to take your guns; in fact, he's signed bills allowing them in more public places. But in our hearts we know he wants to take them all, even if evidence says otherwise. Out damn facts!

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:56:53 AM PDT

    •  Rec for Mrs Macbeth reference. (2+ / 0-)
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      Now an essay question: who is crazier: Newt, who simply makes up facts for  no apparent political gain, or Lady Macbeth, who is tormented by her conscience because of a murder most foul?

      Extra credit (choose one) :

      1. From what tragedy do we get the phrase "murder most foul" ?  Explain its significance.

      2. Is the GOP a comedy or a tragedy? Explain.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:35:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not only that, but he's giving them to Mexican (2+ / 0-)
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      drug lords to spur violence which will make it easier for him to ban them in the US.  That's what the whole Fast and Furious furor is about.

  •  Newt who? (4+ / 0-)

    I think I vaguely remember his name. Wasn't he running for something a little while ago . . . ?

  •  Hmm... (5+ / 0-)
    "We have no proof today, but I would say to you under Newt’s ideology it is absolutely true that he would be comfortable sending himself checks for doing nothing," I told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "I believe that totally."

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:57:47 AM PDT

  •  Neither of Romney's surrogates (3+ / 0-)
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    could defend his ad accusing the president of rolling back welfare reform for one reason - the ad is indefensible.

    On the other hand, "welfare reform" was one of the worst bills Bill Clinton ever signed, and I would be more than happy to see it repealed.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:57:51 AM PDT

  •  Translation (5+ / 0-)

    "We have no proof of this, but because of Obama's race it is absolutely true that he supports sending people checks for doing nothing."

    Leaves out the part where Republicans are blocking Obama from sending people checks for doing something (a.k.a. stimulus.)

    28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:58:36 AM PDT

  •  "It could be true" is fine for Romney's (5+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs, ColoTim, Van Buren, eps62, Eric K

    lying ing attack ads against Obama.  But it's absolutely outrageous when applied to Reid's comments about Mitt's taxes.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --attributed to Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:58:44 AM PDT

  •  "under Obama’s ideology" (1+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs

    Is that code for "Ni-CLANG"?

    /hat tip to ABL

  •  Why yes, I did write about this (8+ / 0-)

    Gingrich admits Rmoney ad is Pants on Fire lie

    After all, if Harry Reid's pants are on fire for saying something that might be true, but the fact checkers cannot themselves verify, then surely Romney's pants ignite for saying something which is not true but might someday become true.

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 09:59:22 AM PDT

  •  this is really class warfare (4+ / 0-)

    Class warfare is a strong term, but I think it is appropriate given Romney's history at Bain.  He's telling working people that it's not the wealthy that are ripping them off, it's those lazy poor people collecting welfare while you are hard at work.  This is like Reagan's thinly veiled association of welfare with African-Americans.

    Adam Weiss
    www.politicalcreativity.net

  •  Newt Gingrich would have sold his own grandmother (2+ / 0-)
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    down the river to be president.

    Of course, I have no proof of that, but I believe it totally.

    I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

    by Wildthumb on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:07:57 AM PDT

  •  And Newt Gingrich (2+ / 0-)
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    needs to lose 300 pounds.  Of course,Newt's corpulence is about as relevant to the debate as what the lizard-brained Republicans THINK Obama might do regarding welfare.

  •  Thats OK (0+ / 0-)

    I totally believe that Newt's mother had sex with her first cousin.

  •  Where's the press? (6+ / 0-)

    It's incredible to me that Romney isn't being made to pay a price for these constant lies and distortions.

    "[W]e shall see the reign of witches pass over . . . and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles." Jefferson

    by RenMin on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:10:44 AM PDT

    •  that's what seeking monopoly is all about (0+ / 0-)

      Identify the pivots on which society depends to keep behavior honest, then attack and corrupt them until you own them.

      Everybody sees the RW puppetmasters insulating their own voting bloc from truth, but they also attack independents by shutting down or corrupting traditional news flow.

  •   (1+ / 0-)
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    eps62

    It's incredible to me that Romney isn't being made to pay a price for these constant lies and distortions.

    "[W]e shall see the reign of witches pass over . . . and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles." Jefferson

    by RenMin on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:11:01 AM PDT

  •  We have no evidence that Obama is eating (0+ / 0-)

    white xtian babies for breakfast but he might sometime in the future. I believe that totally.

    What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - C. Hitchens

    by sizzzzlerz on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:15:06 AM PDT

  •  Theft or Starvation (2+ / 0-)
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    No one's in favor of giving money to people for "doing nothing", but only a heartless bastard like Gingrich would put it in those terms. I'm in favor of giving money to people for whom capitalism isn't working at the moment, people whose only other option this week is theft or starvation. Don't think there aren't people like that in America, Newt, just because you don't know anybody like that. For millions of Americans, the only thing standing between them and living like a Haitian is that we have a country with the means to alleviate suffering and, for the moment, a government that gives a damn.

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:16:30 AM PDT

    •  Gingrich's version of welfare is quite specific (0+ / 0-)

      It involves giving a check to a woman who is not your wife and not for nothing, exactly, but not for anything in the official job description if you know what I mean (cue Monty Python's "wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more"). From the extent of the Tiffany's bills we also know Calista is still being reimbursed for services rendered - know what I mean?

      I had absolutely nothing to do with the management of Bain Capital from 1999 - 2002; do I get $100,000 too?

      by CPT Doom on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:15:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  In the last several day (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    In the several days, Romney has been taken to task, not by the Democrats, but by his fellow Republicans.  

    The GOP has thrown in the towel as far as Romney is concerned.  They've held their noses so long their noses are damn near falling off with the circulation cutoff.  

    They can't stand it, and him, anymore.  

    Couldn't happen to a nicer phony and his ballet horse wife.  

  •  Not surprising coming from an alledged author ... (2+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs, eps62

    of bad alternate histories. What's next? Obama is going to steal your children minds with help of advanced technology developed secretly by NASA with help of the alien space bats.

     

  •  OK Newt I'll Work With You. Let's Make Recipients (4+ / 0-)
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    work. Let's build federal infrastructure and fund the states to hire workers, teachers, police etc.

    I'm with you, Republicans.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:21:21 AM PDT

  •  Sooooo (2+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs, eps62

    Now Romney has resorted to reminding his base that the president is indeed a black man.  Even when he's racist, he is being disingenuous.  

    "I am neither bitter nor cynical but I do wish there was less immaturity in political thinking." Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by djbender on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:22:06 AM PDT

  •  I really wish (0+ / 0-)

    that this wasn't a web-only ad. The Romney ad is in high circulation on our local channels right now, alongside a disingenuous one from the RNC about the national debt.

    I really need to get that diary together on the false advertising swing state ads I've been subjected to...

    "The Internet Never Forgets, and Republicans Never Learn." - blue aardvark

    by SC Lib on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:26:23 AM PDT

  •  A360 Anderson Cooper (1+ / 0-)
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    One of the rare times I have watched this show or CNN lately. I watching the Gingrich segment yesterday. The frustrating thing is Gingrich is such a pro at throwing so much BS in the air that it's impossible to deflect it all.

    Anderson Cooper stuck to his main rebuttal to Gingrich that he (Gingrich) can't acknowledge the ad is true, but the other crap coming out of Gingrich's mouth goes unchallenged. --Obama wants more people on welfare because he doesn't believe in work. No one working for Obama really values work.

    WTF! Gingrich KNOWS he is getting away with it that's why he keeps repeating it. He doesn't care if he has to admit the ad isn't 100% literally true. He scores every time he gets to say Obama and liberals don't value work. He is the sleaze master and he knows it.

    ...the train's got its brakes on and the whistle is screaming.

    by themank on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:28:30 AM PDT

    •  And the really insidious thing... (0+ / 0-)

      Is that even if someone (Anderson Cooper for example) would challenge Gingrich and ask for supporting facts for his BS assertions, Gingrich would just look at him and say, " well you know Anderson, I'm not surprised you think it's your job to defend liberals and leftists".

      It's standard model right wing.

      ...the train's got its brakes on and the whistle is screaming.

      by themank on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 12:24:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm not sure which one I should dislike even more (1+ / 0-)
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    The former candidate who continually makes racially coded messages about our so called "Food Stamp President" or the current candidate who's only way of attack is taking Obama's words and/or distorting the facts.

  •  This isn't the first time (1+ / 0-)
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    They defended the "you didn't build that" attack with the same bullshit argument: Yeah, we took that out of context, but it fits our message to say he thinks it, so we're running with it.

    To sow fear by saying "Obama wants to eliminate work from work-to-welfare" is one thing.  It's dirty, but it's par for the campaign course.  To say he HAS ALREADY DONE IT is mendacity of a higher order.  

    Republicans think they deserve everything they have, and everyone else has everything they deserve.

    by Whore More Years on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 10:37:49 AM PDT

  •  Republican War on Children (2+ / 0-)
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    This ad isn't just an attack on Obama. It's part of the Republican War on Children.

    The rickety welfare system in the US isn't designed to help the poor, as most people suppose. It's only there to keep young children from suffering the worst effects of poverty. The TANF program doesn't give money specifically to poor people--it primarily gives money to minor children living in families with incomes under about $7000 a year and assets under $3000. ($7000 is roughly half the poverty line.)*

    Since the lifetime benefits are now limited to 60 months, the bulk of these children are under five years old. In other words, the requirement to work is designed to force parents of very young children back into the workforce while the child is too young (in most cases) to go to public school. This means that not only must the parent care for a child at the time when they need the most attention and care, but they must also somehow find money for child care while working. This is during a time when it is almost impossible to find a job unless you have some particular skill, a questionable assumption for most very poor, very young parents.

    The ad raises the question of whether this is a sensible system in the first place, and creates a new opportunity for liberals to expand the program. Sensible countries (let's call them "European democracies") provide extended leave to all new parents to help them get their children off to a good start. They also provide actual "welfare", where the unemployed are provided extended benefits.

    That's because European democracies know what apparently no one in the Republican Party knows: that unemployment is chiefly caused by economic trends, not by bad people. Rather than punishing the victims, they compensate for this obvious flaw in capitalistism by providing a way for those workers to survive downturns and the inherent unfairness of the system.

    BTW, TANF also has no eligibility requirements that you be female (except that money is available to those pregnant and in their last trimester, which, we assume, only applies to women).

    But it's true, of course, that TANF probably goes much more to women than to men. To that extent, this ad also part of the Republican War on Women. But I think we have to remind people that the term "welfare" doesn't really apply to TANF any more than it applied to AFDC. This isn't an anti-poverty program. It's a specific bandaid designed to keep pictures of suffering children off the front page of the newspaper.

    ---

    * Of course, the rules are far more complex than that. The summary above is just the basic intent. The full story is at HHS. After determining that a child meets elibility requirements, the child's filing unit is evaluated, and needs of one or more members of that unit may qualify for benefits. But the goal of the program is to protect children living in abject poverty.

    Income levels are also evaluated base on the number of children in the family. The number $7000 is indicative, but it applies to a family consisting of a single parent with one child. Because of waivers, I assume the levels may be different in different locations. This amount is based on the listed GMI for famlies of 2 ($577/month, that is, $6924/year).

    The poverty level quoted is from the US Census Bureau, and represents preliminary estimates from 2011 for familes of two people in households under 65 years of age ($15,139/year).

  •  Cue WaPo/Politi"fact" (0+ / 0-)

    We need some quintuple Pinocchio pants on fire action here.  No?  Hello?

  •  Newt Gingrich: 'No Proof' (0+ / 0-)

    It's not true, but I believe it could be is not a defense that would stand up in court.

  •  More to the point: (0+ / 0-)
    In other words, Romney's attack is an expression of their own anxieties about what President Obama might at some point do in the future, not the reality of what the president has actually done.
    Nor is it the reality of what the president has ever said or implied he wanted to do.

    It is simply what Romney and his stooges want fearful voters to believe.

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:38:15 AM PDT

  •  Newt thinks he's smart. (0+ / 0-)

    Like he did when he said this:

    "I'm going to be the nominee"
    Newt thinks he's doing just what Harry Reid is doing.  Perhaps he is.

    But it won't work.

    Because 56% of voters think Romney should release his tax returns.

    Can Newt say the same about welfare reform?


    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:50:45 AM PDT

  •  How fitting. (0+ / 0-)

    Mitt is throwing the kitchen sink.

    and it isn't even his.


    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:51:31 AM PDT

  •  It's the new Republican way. (0+ / 0-)

    Let's face it -- once you've squandered a trillion dollars to invade a foreign country, destroy its infrastructure, set it back 150 years socioeconomically, and slaughter a million of its people, because of something the country's leader might do someday if he were developing the necessary armaments ....

    ... well, once you've done that, you've pretty much staked out your approach to getting through life, haven't you?

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 03:36:34 PM PDT

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