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This is going to be a short diary on a situation I'm seeing more and more in Florida concerning ACA and what is being told to a few individuals that don't know anything about the law other than its name being "Obamacare" when they bring up the issue of healthcare with their doctor...

Maybe it is the state I currently occupy with its corruption seeping from the State Capitol down the line to local businesses who are fearful of the coming changes and possible election results of 2012 that are pushing these arguments.  

You know, doing their part to undermine the general populace support of the Affordable Care Act , pushing fear on those most vulnerable in Florida - the elderly. I really cannot put much past Rick Scott - referred by many acquaintances as "Voldermort" but I don't know if I can lay blame solely at his destructive feet for what is happening here.

Many of my elderly acquaintances knowing my party affiliation and support of ACA (Obamacare) have started coming to me for answers - because apparently this 'poisonous' fear pill about the evil "Obamacare" is also being pushed out by the local doctors.

Misunderstanding or misleading... you decide.  Here's the latest email I received from someone today:

I'm not emailing this to anyone only you. but two strange things have happened within the last two weeks,  first the eye doctor at eye assoc. told Nick and I in 5 years most of what he does will not be covered, and said it was from Obamacare, yesterday when I went to the doctor and asked her if a need a Pap test she said the new guide lines will not cover it for women over 80, now tell me this is a good thing, only trying to figure things out, I just don't see where this new healthcare is going to be good, give me your opinion.  It might have been good if someone really took the time to read the whole thing, it just scares me, and you and I are open minded enough to discuss this.

This email pushes a few alarms in my overly taxed noggin - especially the '5 years' comment from the Ophthalmologist. I read a similar statement right after the Supreme Court upheld ACA on Facebook.  Well... similar in the whole 'scare the crap out of you' sort of way that Facebook posts go (please excuse the quick image link posts, really wanted to get this out as soon as possible).  I blocked the names of friends and those taking part to protect their identity.
And on that day it sparked a few posts in response, in favor as well as ignorant of the law's provisions.
But as you can see in the linked images there is that dark rumor of a death panel and individuals no longer being covered due to the Affordable Care Act restrictions that I cannot find any real solid facts or source of these misleading arguments.  It is truly like I missed the Fox news report to help push out this lie to people who have been deceived or are knowingly deceiving others.

The issue this November of Health Care is critical in Florida.  We really need to push out the benefits, and correct the misleading that is actively being pushed by Politicians, our ill informed friends, and apparently our Doctors we go to see for treatment.  

To me though... it truly is shocking that doctors are literally misleading their patients.

The point of this diary is to inform others of this situation and help pool together information to help fight this.  Please leave helpful information in the comments. Better yet, help educate your friends and family about what is and what is not covered under ACA.

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  •  Someone on DKOS posted this link (13+ / 0-)

    in the past and I saved it, I use it often in dispelling ACA misinformation.

    "Obamacare" explained is another good one.

    Also the Kaiser Family Foundation has a site dedicated to the ACA

    Hopefully these help you.

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    by FloridaSNMOM on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 03:28:47 PM PDT

  •  Things are happening in health care (16+ / 0-)

    That are not related to ACA at all. One of those is ongoing assessments of what "routine" testing is really appropriate. You may have noted controversy over the past year or so about reducing prostate testing for men. Another recent medical professional discussion has been around pap smears.

    Screening is not recommended for women 65 or older who have had three or more normal Pap tests in a row and no abnormal Pap test results in the past 10 years, or who have had two or more negative HPV tests in the past 10 years.

    Your friend's doctor may very well be stating truth - guidelines are against paps for women her age. But it is not due to ACA.

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    by Catte Nappe on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 03:35:02 PM PDT

  •  I don't know about the eye thing but, (10+ / 0-)

    recently I did read something relevant to whther or not there is a need to continue Pap screening for much older women.

    I'm a little hazy on the details but if I recall correctly it has been suggested (NOT MANDATED BY PPACA) that there is an age point when continued Pap screening doesn't do much to reduce mortality since it's likely the woman would die of something else before cervical cancer could get her.  (This assumes that she has had a lifelong hx of negative Pap smears, so any change would be de novo.)  It's like the rec's for routine prostate screening for older men: frequent screening is not always the best course.

    Women have been sold on the (valid) notion that Pap screening saves lives, but there may be a chronological point when continued screening won't save any particular woman's life.  I'm in my 60's and did ask that question this year to my gynecologist and she said she'd continue to recommend screening for me for at least another decade. (Mine have always been neg. and I have no family hx to add to the mix.)

    While it may seem scary to stop screening - I think it's important to understand the value and point of screening. Too many women seem to believe that Paps and mammograms prevent disease.

    If I recall correctly the idea of stopping late-in-life Paps was coming from research not connected to PPACA; possibly even from relevant medical society. Although commonly these organizations seem to resist changing screening recs.

    I hope this helps you find the answers for your friend.  One thing to rememebr is the PPACA comes with a research arm to study best practices which has been FALSELY described as a study to limit costly care.  Their brief only includes best practuices and specifically excludes consideration of the costs.

    I have a seriously ill family member and I spend at least as much time studying and often rejecting proposed courses of treatment as I do finding and organizing the most appropriate ones. Too much care is as bad for you as no care.  Modern medicine is rife which examples of the former.


    •  There was a diary in the last few days. (3+ / 0-)
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      Doctors in Florida, west coast, doing angioplasties unnecessarily.  

      Hospital Chain Inquiry Cited Unnecessary Cardiac Work - NYTimes ...
      3 days ago – The Lawnwood Regional Medical Center in Fort Pierce, Fla. .... involved overbilling, occurred when Rick Scott, now the governor of Florida, ... percent of 355 angioplasty cases, where doctors performed invasive procedures to ...
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      These result from: Yeah, I remember reading something, angioplasty, Florida Rick Scott.... kinda thoughts.

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      by phonegery on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 04:11:00 PM PDT

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  •  Basically, what you're seeing is pushback from (14+ / 0-)

    doctors who have been charging people for unnecessary tests and they realize that the ACA may make that harder to do.

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    by second gen on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 03:55:02 PM PDT

  •  A follow up to Pap sreening intervals (6+ / 0-)

    Here's a link that might help:

    US Preventive Screening TAsk Force (note date 1996, obviously pre PPACA):

    They suggest stopping at age 65.

    They cite rec from American Cancer Society to stop at 70.

    None of this has anything to with PPACA.


    •  Well, indirectly, it does have something to (6+ / 0-)

      do in that people are much more aware and eager to get information. Especially older folk are still used to doing what the doctor tells them.
      When I contacted a home care nursing service for my then 97 year old mother and provided a run down of the medications she'd been on for about the last ten years, I mentioned a few that the doctor had discontinued when they didn't appear to do any good.  And the nurse said,
      "Oh, that's rare.  Usually when doctors write prescriptions, they just continue the medication and maybe add something new."
      That's how we end up with more deaths from the adverse effects of prescription drugs than from illegal drugs.

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      by hannah on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 04:46:34 PM PDT

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    •  Well, now that many hospitals are preparing to (1+ / 0-)
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      set up accountable care organizations under ACA they may be a bit more strict on enforcing existing guidelines. It's just a guess though. And why does an 80 year old need a pap smear?

  •  I would be shocked if most doctors aren't (2+ / 0-)
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    dyed in the wool Republicans.   Really shocked.

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    by Keith930 on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 05:45:29 PM PDT

    •  The ones who went into med as a business and (1+ / 0-)
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      a route to a higher paying lifestyle as a specialist seem to end up with a conservative mind set if they did not already have one... a lot of their mentors and role models drive expensive cars, live in McMansions, go on expensive holidays, have trophy wives... and have a sense of entitlement more than feeling like they have a calling... and on the golf courses tagging along they get indoctrinated into this model and lifestyle for doctors.

      after med school and residency and paying off student loans and having to pay high malpractice premiums they feel they have earned the right to demand the world bend to them a bit more than Doctors in a lot of other countries... and with the financial deck stacked the way it is... those who started out with a calling to be in general practice and helping humanity end up with reality demanding they specialize to get more money... and the result of this equation is a shortage of general practitioners since it will not pay the bills...

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      by IreGyre on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 04:23:59 AM PDT

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  •  My two cents (0+ / 0-)

    is that you should advise your friend to find a new doctor.  Doctors are just like any other demographic group, among them you will find the full spectrum of ideologies.  Medicine is a science and requires a lot of education so there are likely fewer right-wingers among them than other demographic groups but that is not to say that they are non-existent.  

    Those that are on the right ideologically are no different than any other right-winger and are likely going to be hostile to Obamacare irrespective of the facts.  It would not surprise me in the least to learn that some doctors are spreading misinformation and lies in service of their ideological agenda.  If that's confirmed to be the case, such doctors should not be trusted with your - or anyone's - health care.

    Further, though I have no idea how to do this, there must be some way to report such incidents to whoever licenses the doctor (any doctors out there that can speak to this?).  If it can be proven that a doctor is purposefully misleading to, or outright lying to their patients, that's a serious breach of ethics and should not go unreported.

    The bottom line is - and if you know me you know that I am no fan of the ACA - that the ACA is an improvement over what we have now.  I don't think it is nearly enough of an improvement but it is at least a step in the right direction.  It is in no way a step backwards and any doctor that is purposefully perpetuating that myth should suffer consequences for it in the form of whatever kind of censure the licensing board is capable of leveling up to and including the possibility of revoking the licenses of the worst offenders.

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    by democracy inaction on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 08:12:18 PM PDT

  •  I live in FL and this kind of makes me sick (2+ / 0-)
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    and angry. The doctor is probably a RepugTeaParty person so I would find another doctor. I have friends in the health business and some have told me of faxes sent to their employer from repug fund raising groups. Sometimes I think the world has just gone crazy. These people will do anything to get their way.

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