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During Mitt's intro of Paul Ryan this morning- he seemed to mess up and say that Ryan would be the next president of the United States---then he later corrected it to Vice-President.

Was it a slip of a Freudian tongue?

I'm thinking that Ryan joined this ticket to gear up for 2016, not to win in 2012-- Sure, he would take it if it happened... but I think this is simply a ploy to get him pre-staged for 2016... he really isn't risking anything-- as he has a good chance of retaining his congressional seat-- and all the publicity he will now get will probably not hurt that run...
- he can also lie (a lot) and try to repair his early image as the man gunning for Grandma's medicare.
-So, I don't think he adds much to Romney's future, but I can see how Ryan  might simply be in it for a 2016 run.

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  •  careful there, Obama did the same thing... (1+ / 0-)
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  •  tharu - I agree there is no downside for Ryan (2+ / 0-)
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    Under Wisconsin law he can run for his House seat and VP at the same time. This increases his national visibility, and positions him for further leadership in the GOP, maybe as Speaker at some point in the future. It's nearly impossible to run for POTUS from the House, but this will raise Ryan's profile and the ability to raise money on a national scale. Ryan is a gifted public speaker and will do well on the stump, however I don't think he helps Romney win in 2012. It think this is a pick with more downside than upside for Romney, but the opposite for Ryan.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 11:57:05 AM PDT

    •  The downside for Ryan's political future (3+ / 0-)
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      if he's on the Republican ticket that loses in a landslide?

      Gee, I don't know. How did that work out for Geraldine Ferraro's political career?

      •  elmo - Ferroro had to leave the House to run (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't think the facts are at all similar. Ferraro left the House to run as the VP on the Mondale ticket. Ryan isn't leaving the House and therefore will not lose his power base. There is no downside for Ryan here and potentially lots of upside.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 01:57:04 PM PDT

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        •  His power base (0+ / 0-)

          in his Congressional district, you mean? Gee, that's not much of a power base.

          He'll lose his shot at national cred. That's what I mean.

          •  elmo - first, this isn't going to be a landslide (0+ / 0-)

            Mondale and Ferraro were embarrassed, this election will be much closer. Second, this will give Ryan national reach as a fundraiser. His position in the Republican congressional leadership will increase even with a loss. It only helps Ryan long term.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:01 PM PDT

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      •  elmo - in additon (1+ / 0-)
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        had it not been for some financial disclosure issues regarding Ferraro's husband, it is likely she could have been elected Senator from New York. Running as the VP candidate did give Farraro a very high national profile.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 01:59:39 PM PDT

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        •  Who knows what dirty laundry (0+ / 0-)

          being on a national ticket might unearth on Ryan?  The stuff about Ferraro's husband came out during her VP run.

          He's risking a career killer. Of course, he may actually be in it for the same reasons as Sarah Palin: he'll get a six or maybe seven figure book deal out of it, and that's not peanuts.

          •  elmo - he will get a $1+ M book deal (0+ / 0-)

            But I don't think that's why he is has agreed to do it. I think he has determined it's all upside for him. I don't think Palin took the VP candidate slot for the money. I think she figured that out during the campaign, and to her credit, translated her few months in the spotlight into more than enough money ($10+ million) to live comfortably for the rest of her life.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 04:26:51 PM PDT

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            •  to palin's credit???? (0+ / 0-)

              she parlayed her celebrity into prostituting herself to fuxnewz, which is about as low as you can go.

              you have a very low bar for integrity, apparently.

              •  bluezen - it's admiration for her brand management (0+ / 0-)

                Palin turned her VP nomination into a cash cow which she milked for at least three years. I think that was impressive use of a short term brand. Her decisions about tradeoffs were hers to make, and she broke no laws. And now she is gone from the public spotlight, but with enough money to live comfortably for the rest of her life.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 04:51:26 PM PDT

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                •  if that's what you admire then i am sorry for you. (0+ / 0-)

                  there is more to life than just making money.

                  especially the way she did it.

                  •  bluezen - I can separate her politics from (0+ / 0-)

                    the business brand she created and managed. This was a politician who was obscure as a governor can be, who was trust onto the public stage. Politics aside, how did she handle the opportunity that presented itself? Most people who blog here can't separate out the politics. She made money giving speeches, writing books, and running a web presence all leveraging her brand. It's an interesting case study.

                    "let's talk about that"

                    by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 05:39:59 PM PDT

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                    •  slice it anyway you choose. she's no different (0+ / 0-)

                      than michele bachman as you describe her, & i don't see anything "admirable" about her, either.

                      they're both media & political whores.  you happen to find that interesting & i find it disturbing.

                      •  bluezen - there are no similarities (0+ / 0-)

                        between Palin and Bachmann. Bachmann has the delusion that she is a national politician when she has no standing within the Republican leadership, including the House leadership. She will never be a national candidate. Palin was able to see that her time in the spot light was fleeting, and she had no national political future. However she artfully managed the media allowing her to milk her brand for 12-18 months longer than I thought possible.  

                        "let's talk about that"

                        by VClib on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 10:05:48 PM PDT

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                        •  you seem to be quite a fan of hers. (0+ / 0-)

                          which begs the question why you frequent this site.

                          sarah palin is completely antithetical to the stated mission of dkos, so why do you post such glowing admiration?

                          •  bluezen - you are confusing my admiration (0+ / 0-)

                            for her development and management of her brand with agreeing with her public policy positions, which I don't share. This is not about her views on policy, where I disagree with her, it's very separate.

                            "let's talk about that"

                            by VClib on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:50:33 PM PDT

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                          •  i'm not confusing anything. there's nothing to (0+ / 0-)

                            admire about an exploitative political thug -- & that's what palin is.

                            she had no qualms about smearing then-candidate obama as an "other" who "palled around with terrorists" or who still, to this day, goes on fuxnewz to stir the pot of rw hate stew that's constantly on the stove there.

                            some, btw, admired adolf hitler for his ability to mesmerize a crowd (like palin does) & his efficiency in disposing of his enemies (doug coe/family foundation) & he was pretty successful, too, so i don't agree with the analogy you've chosen when you say sarah palin has qualities, business-wise or whatever, to admire. some people are just asswipes & she's one of them.

                            all she's good at is perpetuating her cult of personality.

      •  How did that work out for Sarah Palin, Jack Kemp? (0+ / 0-)

        I think Ryan will get dragged through the mud for his voting record - after all he has been in the US House since getting voted in 1998.  That means he worked on all of Bush's financial junk, voted not to pay for anything - wars, tax cuts, Medicare Part D creating the deficit, voted for two wars, voted not to stop the wars, voted to take our privacy away, voted to send our jobs overseas, making stealing by banks legal (because of the GOP being in charge from 2000-2006), making lots of things that were illegal - legal (go watch Wall Street with Michael Douglas ("Things I went to prison for are now legal."), and of course, the Ryan budget that was declared "Immoral" by the Catholic church.

        Since Ryan has never run in a state-wide election, and comes from a district with no major cities in it, Ryan is not ready for a Presidential campaign.  I hate to think what his family will be going through.  Somebody offers you the VP slot and you think of WOW - ME....ain't I somebody but it is a 2 way sword.

  •  kind of (5+ / 0-)

    what I was thinking too.


    A President Ryan is in our eventual future

    -- unless the Tea Party, can be exposed for the Front Group fraud, it actually is.


    Are you ready to Vote? Are you still 'allowed' to Vote?
    -- Are you sure?

    by jamess on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 11:58:14 AM PDT

  •  He's running because the proposal for a (2+ / 0-)
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    tharu1, bluezen

    Munsters movie was shot down and he was deemed too old for the part in any case.

  •  ryan thinks he's positioning himself for the (1+ / 0-)
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    tharu1

    2016 nomination b/c the r's always give it to the guy who came in 2nd the last time around.  sarah palin thinks it should've been her turn this yr for the same  reason.

    the problem is, rick santorum thinks he's the guy who came in 2nd (in the primaries) & mike huckabee thinks he should get the 2016 nod b/c he's been such a good soldier in the fuxnewz trenches.

    the election will be the deathknell of ryan's political career, & sarah palin will go the way of most females who think they can get by on looks alone.

    rick santorum is a legend in his own mind, & mike huckabee will suffer from the usual consequences of eating too much too often at chick-fil-a.

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