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Republican U.S. Presidential candidate Mitt Romney (L) introduces U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) as his vice-presidential running mate during a campaign event at the retired battleship USS Wisconsin in Norfolk, Virginia, August 11, 2012.  REUTERS/Jason
Did you hear about what we're going to do to the poors on Medicaid?
Mitt Romney's lying on Medicare is beginning to make him sound, dare I say, pathologically unhinged. Never mind the fact checks and the other fact checks. Romney's got his fiction and is sticking to it: "Obama has cut $716 billion from Medicare. Why? To pay for Obamacare."

We all know that Paul Ryan, in the budget Romney endorsed (last time I checked, anyway), included those exact same cuts to Medicare. And none of those cuts actually hit beneficiaries. They rein in the huge amount of taxpayer money going to overpayments in the Republican-created (and not paid for) Medicare Advantage program. So, you could almost commend Ryan for seeing where it makes sense to cut Medicare. Almost.

But of course, Ryan just couldn't leave it at that, because that isn't going to destroy Medicare, the GOP's ultimate aim. What's going to destroy Medicare is his voucher plan. That would hurt seniors, forcing them to pay more and more out of pocket as the value of the vouchers decreases. That's what would happen in the future with Ryan's and Romney's Medicare plan.

But what they really don't want to talk about is the cuts to seniors right now Ryan proposes by slashing Medicaid, which would happen immediately. The $800 billion in cuts over the next decade that Ryan proposes would have to end up hurting the six million seniors who rely on the program for nursing home and long-term care—two-thirds of all nursing home patients in the U.S. are covered by Medicaid.

Cynically, Ryan made these dramatic cuts to Medicaid so that he could spare current Medicare retirees from seeing cuts, and could put off their pain—and their opposition—for at least a while. Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) nailed Ryan on this ploy:

"They care about the votes of seniors who are not poor and they don’t care about the votes and the consequences to seniors who are poor."
Expect this to be one of those things that's off-limits to talk about. Mitt's running for president, for Pete's sake. That means you can't talk about what he stands for or what he'd do as president. You can't talk about him, or Ryan, at all.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 08:39 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (32+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 08:39:41 AM PDT

  •  The Medicaid - nursing home connection (19+ / 0-)

    Is something more people need to understand.

    But it's not just poor seniors that need Medicaid help for nursing home care; unless the statement is qualified with, 'formerly middle class seniors driven into poverty by nursing home costs.'

    ...the train's got its brakes on and the whistle is screaming.

    by themank on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 08:49:36 AM PDT

    •  Nursing Home patients who can't find their own (11+ / 0-)

      room after dinner aren't in any condition to navigate the coupon Medicare system.

      •  Nursing homes are the most depressing places (2+ / 0-)
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        In the nursing homes I have visited the past few years, the seniors are totally out of it.  I have led Saturday morning services in one nursing home when the regular prayer leaders are out of town or ill.  The nursing assistants wheel in the seniors so there is a minyan of 10, but other than me and the teenager I drive to read Torah, no one in the room is aware of anything.  Maybe one or two are able to take alliyahs.  It's very depressing and I wonder what purpose these Saturday morning services serve.

        Some Republican politician spoke of empowering grandma with the Ryan coupons, but for these unfortunate people who have to die like this, what the hell are they talking about?

        "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

        by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 02:15:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Best book around to help explain life at end is (2+ / 0-)
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          Navy Vet Terp, SammyJames

          Still Alice, by lisa genova.  I downloaded from Barnes and Noble onto Nook and was so taken by the story I read it through without stopping. I would recommend this book to any family or other people who are losing a loved one to memory problems.

          •  my take on this is to keep on doing it (1+ / 0-)
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            God hears the prayers, whether you do or not.

            God Bless You for what you do.

            "I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she (Christina Taylor-Greene) imagined it." President Obama

            by guavaboy on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:01:14 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  This needs to get out more, re: seniors on (13+ / 0-)


    I think, therefore I am. I think.

    by mcmom on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 08:51:18 AM PDT

    •  I'm working on it! (13+ / 0-)


      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:07:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Great! (4+ / 0-)
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        hyperstation, thomask, SammyJames, mcmom

        Just yesterday listened to someone complain that the "government" was using all her mother in law's 'deserved' SS to pay for her (the MIL) nursing home.  

        Now this woman has been there for years and had no assets like a home that she owned to help defray costs.

        Noooo, this person only saw that the government was taking back her MIL;s  "deserved" income.  

        Thought it was an interesting insight into how the unthinking and ill informed think.

    •  My family has gone through it (8+ / 0-)

      I agree.

      It affects more than seniors too. It is tough on the adult children as well.

      Tangentially, it reminds me of the Republican push to allow employers to deny coverage for birth control. Yes, it affects women. But it affects lots of men in the process, too. I don't know what the statistics are, but a lot of women get their BC coverage through their husband's health plan. Republicans don't seem to care about the opinions of working women who get BC through their own health plan. But reframe that to employers denying men something in their healthcare plan... Republican men as well as Democratic men... now they might sit up and notice.

      Nursing home coverage via medicaid frankly is something the adult children often need to contend with... Republican children and Democratic children. It's a very trying moment in their lives, too. They need help.

      ...the train's got its brakes on and the whistle is screaming.

      by themank on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:18:45 AM PDT

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      •  At the other end of life, so many women in Nursing (7+ / 0-)

        Homes today are women who bought the whole baggage that a woman should stay home and raise the children.  I found when my Mom was in the nursing home, it was so discouraging that when the breadwinner/husband died, there were NO provisions made for the care of the stay-at-home wife in her old age.The Republican agenda never addresses the need to provide for the family if the earner dies.

      •  I agree and I think this point merits more (1+ / 0-)
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        merits more attention.

        when Medicare is cut, the seniors have a choice of going without or else finding every conceivable source of funds to keep on going. This includes obtaining support fomr the adult children. It would be not be easy to deny your parents help if you had the means.  For that reason, adult children of seniors have abig stake in this.

        a part of the hidden economy is the family caregivers who are helping the frail elderly relative "age in place" - these people get support too, and are under lots of stress.  what happens when funds for home health care get cut?

        "I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she (Christina Taylor-Greene) imagined it." President Obama

        by guavaboy on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:06:00 PM PDT

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    •  not only medicare they hate seniors and women (5+ / 0-)

      ryan voted on a bill that if a woman went to a hospital dying and she needed an abortion she could not get it so in other words kill of granny and kill off women these people are sick

  •  Joan - You need an edit in the first paragraph (1+ / 0-)
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    Diary says:

    Romney's got his fiction and is sticking to it: "Obama has cut $716 billion from Medicare. Why? To pay for Obamacare."
    But in your "fact checks" link, the first paragraph supports Romney's statement with:
    One way or another, Barack Obama, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney all have supported the $700 billion in cuts to Medicare spending now in place under the Affordable Care Act.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:12:53 AM PDT

  •  It's easy to explain: (17+ / 0-)

    Both Romney/Ryan and Obama/Biden want to reduce Meidcare costs- but only Romney/Ryan want to reduce Medicare benefits.

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 09:18:03 AM PDT

  •  Huh--just wait for the OLB and a whole bunch of (3+ / 0-)
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    blue aardvark, ericlewis0, Mayfly

    other progressives to get on it:

    That means you can't talk about what he stands for or what he'd do as president. You can't talk about him, or Ryan, at all.
    Oh, yeah?

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:49:04 PM PDT

    •  I was going to comment (1+ / 0-)
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      But now I see that I can't talk about Romney, or Ryan, or Medicaid cuts, or ending Medicare as we know it,  or his tax plan, or Bain, or his invisible tax returns, or his offshore accounts, or his time as Governor, so I'll just keep quiet, for Pete's sake.

      If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. ~James Madison

      by mjshep on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:56:16 PM PDT

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  •  I can't vote for him, that's for damn sure. (1+ / 0-)
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    The fact that most of the media will let him get away with not giving any details about what he'd do as president is mind boggling.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. I'm riding in the Tour de Cure. You can donate here.

    by darthstar on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:37 PM PDT

  •  Not Poor Senior Citizens=FoxViewers/Teabaggers nt (2+ / 0-)
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    annieli, ericlewis0

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:54 PM PDT

  •  So, let me get this straight (9+ / 0-)

    1) Republicans create Medicare Advantage
    2) Republicans botch said creation
    3) Obama fixes it and saves taxpayers billions
    4) Republicans claim this is a bad thing, because those billions would otherwise have gone to hard working corporate Americans

    It's just the student loan program again. If you take away inefficiency that's good, so long as inefficiency is defined as "fewer eligible citizens". If inefficiency is defined as "corporations taking a slice off the top while not adding value", then Republicans are in favor of inefficiency.

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:51:00 PM PDT

  •  The pundit's predictions- the good ones, that is- (1+ / 0-)
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    were correct on how the Ryan pick immediately became a referendum on visions of the size and scope of aid to poor and older people.  

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:51:07 PM PDT

  •  This election isn't (3+ / 0-)

    about the 'size of government', it's about the size of aid to very poor and older, infirm people.   We need to start yelling that from our rooftops.

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:53:17 PM PDT

  •  incidentally (0+ / 0-)

    just incidentally, whenever I see a picture of Romney and Ryan together, I can't help but think that the picture could be an advertisement for gay marriage.
    They do seem to enjoy each other very much!

    Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

    by mattinjersey on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:53:43 PM PDT

  •  The guy has been behind in 9 of the last 12 (4+ / 0-)
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    polls in FL.  The only polls that give him a shot are those run by GOP outfits.  Did he really think that causing anxiety about the future of medicare would cause more voters to back him (from the elderly all the way down to the families that would have a larger burden to support them if medicare was cut back sharply)?  

    What Mitt just did is push more voters who were not intending to vote into the pool of voters, which will help Obama.  He also managed to change the calculus of the undecided voter to stick with the devil they know rather than take such a huge risk with someone who wants to do away with a program that is a fundamental piece of American life.  

    I'm not dispassionate about this election, but I try to be when attempting to predict the future or read the data.  I don't see Mitt going up from where he is and I see him dropping a few points as Obama gets more voters to join the pool and a higher percentage of hedgers than an incumbent usually gets.  Obama is going to win in FL, OH, VA and NC.  

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:54:22 PM PDT

    •  He's really got to come out with (0+ / 0-)

      a relentless positive illustration of his record on Medicare and SS and combine that with a negative illustration of The RR brothers plans.  

      From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

      by satrap on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:56:30 PM PDT

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  •  With all the stuff they're suddenly not doing (1+ / 0-)
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    Not Gutting Medicare
    Not Gutting Social Security
    Not Gutting Wall Street Regs

    Well what are they gonna do

    Oh yeah it's a secret.... Trust them

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:54:43 PM PDT

  •  Paging David Letterman. I'd lke to see the Top 10 (4+ / 0-)
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    mjshep, annieli, ericlewis0, Matt Z

    List of things Mitt doesn't want us to talk about to be run on your show --- at least once a week from now until November. Different groups could read different weeks.-- like people under 30 with pre-existing condidtion, Grandparents raising small children, care-givers for elderly Alzheimer's patients (who can't order their own breakfast, much less figure out coupons), those ready to retire within next few months, long-term out of work people, college students seeking Pell Grants. The list could go on and on with people who deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.

    •  My top Ten (7+ / 0-)

      Top ten things Mitt doesn't want to talk about

      10.  Where are your tax returns.
      9.   Where is all your money hidden.
      8.   How much taxes did you pay for the last ten years.
      7.   Where are your tax returns.
      6    Son of Boss.
      5.   The Cayman Islands.
      4.   Where are your tax returns.
      3.   How much tax will you pay under your new proposals.
      2.   What do you have against education.

      And the number one thing Mitt doesn't want to talk about:

      Where are your tax returns

      If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. ~James Madison

      by mjshep on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 02:09:27 PM PDT

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      •  Great ideas. Shuffle and use again next night. (0+ / 0-)
      •  Forgot the brain scan (0+ / 0-)

        Based on his gaffes, esp. wrt the timing, and some opinions of the way he walks and moves, some people are saying that he either has traumatic brain injury (TBI) from the car accident in France, or has some other impairment that would make him eligible for a medical discharge.    Poor programming for the robot built to replace the original after Paris?   A brain scan might clear that up.  As my late uncle would say, the guy ain't right.

        (dons tinfoil hat) What about a botched Transfer (cf. Zelazny's Lord of Light?  This book came out at about the right time -- what happened in Paris? (removes tinfoil hat)

        More seriously, another thing not to talk about is the closed-to-the-press "financial event, not a fundraiser" in Vegas:  how many mobsters were there?  

        "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold...The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity" -W.B. Yeats

        by LucyandByron on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 02:36:42 PM PDT

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      •  Excellent. (0+ / 0-)

        rMoney: Just another jerk, lookin' for work.

        by OleHippieChick on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:28:25 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  coupon madness: death vouchers! (2+ / 0-)
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    satrap, ericlewis0

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 01:57:06 PM PDT

  •  Obama does not cut benefits (4+ / 0-)
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    He cuts subsidies to the insurance industry.  We can't scream it loud enough!

    Great diary Joan

  •  Why is "Jobs" and the "Economy" being ignored? (1+ / 0-)
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    I have people in my family that have lost their jobs, have lost their homes, have gone on government entitlement safety net programs, can't get their kids the new backpack for the new year in school, are using up their savings just to survive.  I have friends that are in that very same boat and have family that are in that very same boat.  

    And, here we are over and over and over again talking ablut Ann Romney, Charts and Graphs, Mitt whining, Voter ID, Medicare, Ryan Budget and Social Security.  I've brought this up here a few times before and I was told to "look around, there are diaries about this on DK".  Well, I did look around.  And, yeah, there are a couple of diaries not on the Front Page, of course, on this.  But, I'm just so bummed out that "jobs are priority one" and talking about the economy has but on the furthest back back burner there is in this election.  

    I will not vote against someone just because his wife is a richie and because my party goes after her.  I won't vote for a democratic candidate just because the other party's VP candidate came up with a budget plan my party doesn't like while they have not given us a budget for over 3 years.

    I will vote for the candidate that gives us the chance to get our economy going again and improve our horrible jobs picture that has gone on for FAR longer than anyone EVER thought it would.  I'm not interested in finger pointing on why this is.  I'm interested in who will get our country's economy back to growing again so that my family and friends can support themselves and plan for their future and save for their own future and take care of their kids' needs and .... well, you get the point.

    Let's get some diaries on here that talk about JOBS and the ECONOMY.  We all know Obama should be reelected.  We all know Ryan and Romney are scuzzbuckets and we all believe that Romney's wife is a spoiled little girl and we all know that Medicare should be maintained and Social Security should continue to help our senior citizens.  

    JOBS.  The ECONOMY.  Our citizens deserve that discourse.

    Waiting for the hate-posts now.

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 02:02:16 PM PDT

  •  vouchers -- pfft (2+ / 0-)
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    It was pointed out on last night's open thread that the odd word vouchers lends a false gravity to these privatizing/privateering discussions.  

    Coupons, scrip, Green Stamps, and bag of tokens would all seem to be substitutes.

    Have you others?

  •  Doesn't matter, unless Obama makes them (0+ / 0-)

    eat their words. True to form, the Republicans have doubled down on a Big Lie.  We have seen this before, and candidates who didn't take their tactic seriously because it seemed silly have rued their decision.  Carter, a former naval officer who proposed significant spending increases on defense, was weak on defense.  Dukakis wanted to free a rapist/murderer.  Gore claimed he invented the internet.  Kerry lied about his combat experience to get the Silver Star and about his wounds to get out of Viet Nam.

    Obama shouldn't be complacent in the knowledge that in real life, Ryan wants to do away with Medicare.  He needs to get on top of this right away.

    You can tell Monopoly is an old game because there's a luxury tax and rich people can go to jail.

    by Simian on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 02:14:28 PM PDT

  •  We have to be sure not to let them get away w this (0+ / 0-)

    I'm worried the confusion caused by their misleading ads may muddy the waters just enough, which is the evil genius of the GOP. Attacking Obama on Medicare is like attacking Kerry on Swiftboat, which worked. We have to hit back hard on this, and I think the response so far by Obama and Priorities has been sluggish. Sorry if I'm a buzzkill.

  •  Romney/Ryan Health-Stamp program gets worse (1+ / 0-)
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    Remember, after they've repealed Obamacare, Insurance companies won't have to cover you and can drop you when they want.  Your health-stamps, won't cover any increases by the insurance companies, and when they refuse to pay for a procedure, your health-stamps won't help you get what you paid for.

    And don't forget Ryan's war on the food-stamp program which also will have an immediate impact on senior citizens.

  •  So Romney is going to blow $700 billion (1+ / 0-)
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    of taxpayer Medicare cost savings that don't compromise Medicare benefits so that Karl Rove has the flimsiest deceitful line of attack in his billion dollar swift boat attempt to salvage Florida and battleground states from Romney's stupid decision to pick Ryan?

    This coming from the guy who claims Obama will "say anything to cling to power" ?

    And it's very short sighted because even the lousy media is going to see through it and nail his ass. This may be the last desperate gasp in his pathetic campaign before everyone figures out it's effectively over.

    This man should never be allowed near the Oval office because he obviously has some rather serious mental issues.

  •  Did you hear the one about (1+ / 0-)
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    Paul Ryand?

    Can't wait until Galt boy is defeated.

  •  Kunstler's Latest... Ouch. (1+ / 0-)
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    Mr. Romney subscribes to a set of fantasies out of the Chamber of Commerce playbook that all the familiar activities of status quo wealth generation could easily continue via the marvelous invisible hands of unfettered corporatism, if only the deadweight of government restrictions and the squandering of borrowed public "money" were swept away. His choice of running mate, Congressman Paul Ryan, is meant to embody all those notions -- but more than that appeal to the inchoate mob of Tea Partiers who want to get the gubment's hands off their goshdarn medicare. Anyway, the net effect of Mr. Romney's business fantasies are so inadequate to the contractive forces underway that they would amount to pissing up the massive rope of history in a hurricane of events.
    Anyway, bear in mind that, whatever else is going on out there right now in the three-ring circus of presidential politics, events are in the driver's seat, not personalities, and the seeming quiescence of things on the late summer scene is an illusion that will soon dissipate.

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 02:41:48 PM PDT

  •  I loved seeing Brit Hume grasping at straws. (1+ / 0-)
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    The Fox News interview with Ryan, conducted by Brit Hume, was an absolute masterpiece of hilarity.

    Seeing as Brit was sitting there, baffled at times, incredulous, almost about to burst out of his chair, THAT was great television.

    It was watching a slow-motion train wreck, while simultaneously watching a fast-paced crumbling of a man's inner worth. It was absolutely PRICELESS. And I hope that we see a lot more of this over the next 83 days.

  •  This inspired me to once again email PBO in the WH (0+ / 0-)
    Hi Mr President and PBO's email Guys
    Sir, I know you've "got this" and we have your back. Medicare info has to be pounded on hard to make everyone get it. rMoney is lying his head off. Truthbomb is urgently needed to hit hard and fast and often. THEY will be the death panel.
    Qs: Will there be a place for us old folks to go and die? Someplace like the pavilion at the Burning Ghat in India? I mean, fair's fair, without care, we need a place to croak out, like on the steps of the insurance companies. We will die in he streets with the Ryan plan.
    Srsly, please smash these twin dopes, they are The Crazy!
    Ryan is a zealous acolyte of Ayn Rand, who benefited from Social Security and Medicare.  Ludicrous irony, right? These guys are drowning in hypocrisy.
    Thanks for everything you do. Forward.
    OHC, FL15, OFA FL Volunteer
    Maybe we'll get lucky and someone of consequence will read.

    rMoney: Just another jerk, lookin' for work.

    by OleHippieChick on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 03:49:18 PM PDT

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