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For anyone who isn't aware of it, Roger Stone, the former GOP dirty-trickster, has an incendiary blog post on his website, claiming that the Koch brothers actually bought the Paul Ryan VP nomination from Mitt Romney for the price of $100 million in campaign advertising expenditures via their opaque "non-profit" advocacy group (Americans for Prosperity) and via SuperPAC donations.  Now if that's not incendiary, I don't know what is, but at this point it's just an allegation, backed up by nothing more than second or third hand accounts allegedly given to a guy who is widely known as a black-bag political operative - someone who, although (or, perhaps, because) he has worked directly for the highest level of the GOP hierarchy, has always done so using the most devious and underhanded methods.

So why is this allegation, other than being extremely entertaining to watch unfold, of any interest to us liberals?  Step lightly over the mating sea cucumbers and I'll tell you why.

Now, it should be noted first off that in the diary I linked to at the top of the intro, there were quite a few comments to the effect that this is really nothing more than a rumor being promulgated by someone whose ethics are, shall we say, non-existent.  To be absolutely fair, that's absolutely true.  So why give his little bomblet a second glance?  Two words:

Ron Paul.  
Here's the thing: the Paulist faction, which comprises perhaps the most fiercely dedicated portion of the Tea Party movement, is both significant (about 12% of the GOP Primary vote), steadfast, libertarian, and rabidly conspiracy-theory-susceptible.  It's those four attributes of the Paulist contingent, which has never let go of Ron Paul's candidacy (let alone resigned itself to Paul's having lost to the demonstrably impure Romney), that make this Stone allegation (let's call it Kochgate, shall we?) so virulent to the Romney campaign, and to the GOP in general.

You see, Roger Stone has turned a new leaf, if you can believe that.  He's now a Libertarian, with a capital L.  He supports the Libertarian candidate for President, Gary Johnson, and in his blogpost laying down this very serious allegation, he derides Ryan's flawed credentials as a true believer:

Meanwhile the idea of Ryan as a radical is laughable. Ryan put forth a budget proposal which did nothing to curtail Social Security and military spending. His famous budget allows the deficit to continue to grow. Ryan has worked almost his entire adult life (the last twenty years) cashing a government check in D.C. Ryan supported the auto and bank bailouts, voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program in 2008 and for increasing the debt ceiling in 2011. Ryan voted for the Iraq War resolution in 2002, keeping troops in Iraq indefinitely, against withdrawal of U.S. troops from the Balkans in 1999 and for the authorization for use of military force against Afghanistan in 2001. He also voted for the re-authorization of the Patriot Act in 2006 and 2011 and for the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 which allows the federal government to arrest and incarcerate a US citizen without bail, charges or a trial.
Now those of you who are familiar with Ron Paul's philosophy will get immediately, after reading that bill of particulars against Ryan, why Stone's allegation is so toxic to the Romney/Ryan ticket.  To wit: the infractions listed in that paragraph (without Ryan's name attached to them, of course) could have been lifted from any number of Ron Paul speeches over the years. Therefore we can be fully confident that this story and Stone's blogpost will have gone viral within the Paulist camp, and that it will resonate as deeply as any John Bircher- or 9/11-conspiracy theory does in that group.  Not only that, the reverberations of this story's resonance within the Paulist faction will spread beyond that very influential sector to the entire Tea Party, as the above indictment of Ryan's Conservative credentials hits the send lists and blogs of a very tenuous portion of the Republican Party.  Millions of those who thought that Ryan was a sign from heaven will be corrected by one of their own, and it will cut them to the quick.  Blood on the Soapbox, or something like that, is what I'm sayin.

In other words, Romney has just lost, through a simple internet posting by Roger Stone (whose believability is totally irrelevant), not only the race for President, but probably both Houses of Congress as well.  And it makes not difference whatsoever whether the very serious charges that Stone lays down are true.

And the really beautiful part this is all happening from within the ranks of the Right.  We're just the popcorn-consumers in this one.

I think this is very big.  So...whatch'all thinkin?

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  •  Tip Jar (21+ / 0-)

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

    by nailbender on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 07:27:52 AM PDT

  •  entertaining (4+ / 0-)
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    Cedwyn, fou, davidkc, Bob Johnson

    But I don't know that his will change anything.

    •  A thought... could Stone be pulling a Harry Reid? (0+ / 0-)

      ...but a false flag?

      This certainly distracts nicely from the Taxes as well as other Rmoney ethics issues that they don't have control over... just a thought... Beware of Greeks bearing gifts

      Dudehisattva...

      "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

      by Dood Abides on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:06:10 AM PDT

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      •  False Flag is Right (1+ / 0-)
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        Woody

        What the Koch Brothers did or Didn't do in
        some backroom agreement is a Distraction.

        Stick to the Ryan "Destroy Medicare Budget".

        Keep Demanding Transparency on Mitty's Tax Returns.

        Remind folks about the Jobs that Bain Capital destroyed
        when Mitty was in Charge.

        Those Three issues are something that the Voters
        Already Understand. No need to go Off Message chasing
        a Rumor of Dubious Origin.

        On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

        by Brian76239 on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 10:09:21 AM PDT

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  •  interesting diary, nb, w/interesting points (13+ / 0-)

    but whoa there hoss!  You lost me with:

    In other words, Romney has just lost, through a simple internet posting by Roger Stone (whose believability is totally irrelevant), not only the race for President, but probably both Houses of Congress as well.  And it makes not difference whatsoever whether the very serious charges that Stone lays down are true.
    I was with you until you launched into outer space with your dazzling conclusions.  Let me be clear.  I totally hope that you are 100% correct.  I hope that Stone's words do indeed take away inside voters.

    However, we are at great risk to lose this election through lack of attention to the three fold fraud issues:
    1) voter suppression
    2) fraudulent voting machines
    3) Norquist's shadow government, requiring oaths to the plutocracy rather than to the US/Constitution.

    Unless we move on these issues, we will lose the election.

    I belong to the “US” of America, not the “ME,$,ME,$,ME,$” of America!

    by SeaTurtle on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 07:51:34 AM PDT

    •  A small plus (1+ / 0-)
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      SeaTurtle

      This report is welcome, because it may cause a handful of Paulites to stay home or shift their support to Johnson, and every vote matters in a close election. But MSM won't touch this.

      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Blue Boomer on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 09:37:26 AM PDT

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  •  Once again, I think folks are ceding far too much (5+ / 0-)
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    davidkc, koNko, Dood Abides, devtob, erush1345

    ... influence to Roger Stone and his libertarian client.

    I am sure Roger Stone appreciates the attention and the influence some are ascribing to him, but, in reality, my guess is that about the only places we'll continue to read about his claim are here on Daily Kos and maybe on democraticunderground.

    The claim isn't going anywhere and I highly doubt that it will have any influence whatsoever on the election.

    •  yup, a distraction.. see my comment above...;) (0+ / 0-)

      Dudehisattva...

      "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

      by Dood Abides on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:07:26 AM PDT

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      •  To be clear, I'm not ascribing any effect from (1+ / 0-)
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        Dood Abides

        this to the way the Dems will proceed (and yes, it would be a distraction if it were to have any effect on strategy or tactics, which it won't); furthermore my statement that this is a nail in the Romney/Ryan coffin isn't meant to suggest that the effort to defeat Romney is over.  All the stops will and should be pulled in that effort.

        What I am saying is that this is a huge thing to a significant portion of the GOP base.  Here's a sample of how that part of their base has been primed for the impact of this: http://www.dailypaul.com/...

        This will become something that, although under the tradmed radar, has a huge negative impact on Romney/Ryan.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 12:11:41 PM PDT

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    •  except that (1+ / 0-)
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      devtob

      rumors of a tampa upset persist, and this story * is * tailor-made for ronulans. it's also rather tailor-made for the true tea party set, as opposed to koch's faux groundroots bloc.

      we don't need it to have a broad impact so long as it has a deep impact in certain quarters.

      ; P

      Mitt Romney seems congenitally incapable of inspiring people - Richard Wolfe, 8/15/2012

      by Cedwyn on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:11:16 AM PDT

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    •  Interestingly, I just Googled (3+ / 0-)

      Roger Stone Ron Paul. Absolutely NOTHING on the first page came up on this topic, so...

      It isn't hot right now. Maybe that will change, but it seems to be going nowhere at the moment.

      It would sure be nice if Stone could back up his allegation with a little meat. Since he hasn't, it would appear he's just Ron Pauling Romney.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:11:49 AM PDT

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      •  I googled "Roger Stone" and Ryan (3+ / 0-)
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        Hey338Too, dougymi, Woody

        and got some hits related to this story, but no major media stories (a few blog sites, DK, Crooks & Liars, maybe one or two minor media sites are what I saw).

        But yeah, that's not nearly enough to have an impact.  In order for this to have much influence, it'd either have to go viral among Paul supporters (which I don't think it has yet, or it'd be turning up on more blogs and comments), or a major media outlet would have to give some notice.

        If that happens, it might draw some lukewarm Romney supporters to either not vote or vote Libertarian.  If by some miracle it got enough traction to show up in a major media outlet, it might force the Romney camp to respond, and while that might not influence voters either way, it would force Romney to fritter away more time playing defense, and it's one more bug in the ear of fence-sitting voters to add to the list of "is Romney telling the truth" questions to add to the tax and Bain items already out there.

      •  yep (0+ / 0-)

        if a rMoney/ryan tree is felled in the forest by a stone and no ever hears about it, did it really fall?

        I doubt whether many will ever hear about it from our wonderful corporate media. It destroys too many narratives that our wonderful corporate media hold dear.

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:54:12 AM PDT

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  •  Dems should not go overboard on this (5+ / 0-)

    Consider the source and consider the political down-side if it proves to be false or unsubstantiated.

    Let the Libertarians do the heavy lifting on this and enjoy the show.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:05:17 AM PDT

  •  hail eris! (1+ / 0-)
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    maybeeso in michigan

    mmmmm...golden apple of discord...

    Mitt Romney seems congenitally incapable of inspiring people - Richard Wolfe, 8/15/2012

    by Cedwyn on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 08:06:06 AM PDT

  •  Why Roger Stone matters (1+ / 0-)
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    Roger Stone lives and breathes politics and there is no one brighter or more observant than he. His blogs concerning Ryan merely state the facts. It is a no-brainer concerning the Ron Paul followers. They will all go to Gary Johnson. Yes, there will be a Ron Paul surprise at the GOP convention but believe me, it is tight-lipped and we don't know what it is yet. Will Gary Johnson steal votes from Romney and allow Obama to glide right back in? Yes and no. Polling data indicates that Gary Johnson will gleen votes nearly equally from both major parties because Gary Johnson is quite unique. He has a strong fiscal conservative side which republicans like and he has a strong socially liberal side that democrats like. Many of Gary Johnson's platform talking points resonate with all Americans. Who among us does not like the idea of abolishing the IRS, balancing the budget, de-criminalizing marijuana? If the current polling between Obama and Romney looks too close to call now, keep watching because right after the GOP convention, Gary Johnson will receive a jump in the polls and after he receives the 15% national favor to get on the debate stage, this election will become the most exciting one in our lifetimes.

    •  Hilarious! (4+ / 0-)
      If the current polling between Obama and Romney looks too close to call now, keep watching because right after the GOP convention, Gary Johnson will receive a jump in the polls and after he receives the 15% national favor to get on the debate stage, this election will become the most exciting one in our lifetimes.
      I love it when libertarians get their little stiffies about how American voters are suddenly going to wake up and realize the genius of libertarian principles!

      Newsflash, John: Gary Johnson is never going to get to 15% in national polls.

      Good lord, put your pants back on...

    •  I will go with 1 out of 3. (1+ / 0-)
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      Woody
      Who among us does not like the idea of abolishing the IRS, balancing the budget, de-criminalizing marijuana?

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