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From Malcolm X's Speech, "The Ballot or the Bullet," analyzing Democrats' historical antipathy toward Black folks and more generally, people of color.  


I'm not a politician, not even a student of politics; in fact, I'm not a student of much of anything. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican...

...It's got to be the ballot or the bullet. The ballot or the bullet. If you're afraid to use an expression like that, you should get on out of the country; you should get back in the cotton patch; you should get back in the alley. They get all the Negro vote, and after they get it, the Negro gets nothing in return. All they did when they got to Washington was give a few big Negroes big jobs. Those big Negroes didn't need big jobs, they already had jobs. That's camouflage, that's trickery, that's treachery, window-dressing. I'm not trying to knock out the Democrats for the Republicans. We'll get to them in a minute. But it is true; you put the Democrats first and the Democrats put you last.

Originally posted to Indigenous Gumbo (The Thing About Skins) on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 06:25 PM PDT.

Also republished by Thursday Worst Diary Competition and Trolls.

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  •  I saw your (12+ / 0-)

    last diary and now this one.  What are you really hoping to accomplish here at the GOS?  If it is something good, I do not think you are getting it done.

    Hey! glad to see you. Hope you are doing well.

    by deedogg on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 06:44:12 PM PDT

  •  Keep fishing (15+ / 0-)


    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 06:54:10 PM PDT

  •  It's not even Labor Day yet, (8+ / 0-)

    and the trolls are swarming...

    "Let's put the jam on the lower shelf so the little people can reach it." - Ralph Yarborough

    by Zutroy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 06:57:35 PM PDT

  •  Blacks Favor Dems Year After Year About 95:1. (9+ / 0-)

    As a person who performs and who makes things and sells them, all of this for my living, I'm telling you that you have a marketing problem with blacks.

    And as a professional performer and seller, I'll remind you that the customer is always right.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 07:17:24 PM PDT

  •  I can't help but notice something... (21+ / 0-)

    Namely, that you left out the little tidbit that, back when Malcolm X was alive and still able to make speeches, the Democratic Party had a lot more George Wallace types in it than it does now.

    You see, all those southern white conservatives who called themselves Democrats?  They all became Republicans.  And You can't deny that after 1964, one party was in favor of expanded civil rights, and the other generally was not, or was ambivalent at  best.

    Nixon embraced the southern strategy, while the Democrats embraced human rights.  The rest is history.  History that Malcolm X didn't live to see, unfortunately.

    All your vote are belong to us.

    by Harkov311 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 07:34:19 PM PDT

    •  Exactly. Hence the title: (0+ / 0-)

      "From Whence Southern Democrats Spawn."

      Just a good history lesson is all.  Always good to know where one comes from.


      •  You're ignoring Harkov311's main point. (3+ / 0-)
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        Unit Zero, deedogg, Otteray Scribe
        You see, all those southern white conservatives who called themselves Democrats?  They all became Republicans.
        The Southern Democrats of 1964 that Malcolm X was describing left the party decades ago. You're being deliberately misleading, so your history lesson sucks.


        •  History Lesson Part 2 (0+ / 0-)

          Simply because transient facts change does not change history.  Hence "history."  To wit, the fact that the Nazi regime is no longer in power does not change the fact that Nazi Germany was responsible for the death of over 6 Million Jews.  It also does not change the fact that those deaths, that regime, and the lessons thereof, should be taught in history.

          There is a name for people who like to disregard tragic history...

          •  I'm not disregarding anything. (2+ / 0-)
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            FrugalGranny, deedogg

            I'm just saying that your non-diary is misleading.

            There is a name for people who like to disregard tragic history...
            I have three names to describe you: rude, arrogant, and condescending. Go peddle your history lessons somewhere else. Nobody here is buying it.
            •  I have to disagree with you here... (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm not disregarding anything
              I am disregarding anything coming out of the diarists fingers.

              If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

              by Unit Zero on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 01:31:48 PM PDT

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  •  Bah! (6+ / 0-)

    I tried to come up with something funny, but all I got is Bah! for this wannabe internet tough guy.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 08:34:10 PM PDT

  •  It seems that recent polls and ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... cross-tabs have somebody a little worried. Good! You should be worried.

    I would tip you, but the man took away my tips.

    by Tortmaster on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:55:27 PM PDT

  •  Dale Carnegie is dead, unfortunately. (7+ / 0-)

    But his book is still in print, and I suggest the diarist get a copy.  If he is trying to persuade people or win folks to his point of view, he is definitely doing it wrong.

    I see from his web page the diarist is an attorney with a law degree from a top tier school.  I spend a lot of time with attorneys from top schools, and it seems that an uncommon number of them are arrogant assholes.  This guy definitely did not miss the cut.  

    The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

    by Otteray Scribe on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 09:57:17 PM PDT

  •  Congratulation! The judges of the WDC have (7+ / 0-)

    determined that your entry is eligible for this week's award.  Stay tuned to learn if you have won.

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 01:44:45 AM PDT

  •  Sigh. (6+ / 0-)

    I was excited to see a new Native voice show up on site, we have so few.  But you truly seem unable or unwilling to adapt your writings to your audience here to actually pass on messages that will actually advance any cause important to Native peoples,  and instead want merely to adopt an adversarial relationship with the people to whom you could be communicating.

    Isn't there any Native cause you could be actively promoting instead?  Something for which you can help create concrete, real world gains?

    •  Fair Point (0+ / 0-)

      But I assume no audience and am not trying to promote anything, really.  I'm trying out a new forum and utilizing my perspective as an independent and someone that reviles both major political parties because neither showcases true progressive thought...that's my honest perspective, and has historical roots as shown by Malcolm X's diatribe here, or even the large amount of Democrats (and obviously Republicans) that voted to go into Iraq...

      That perspective, evidently, puts me into that aforementioned "adversarial relationship"--all I did was post some writing, and the character judgments came.  I'm comfortable with that--it might surprise you how little I care about on-line relationships until those relationships prove to be meaningful.  Still, I'm not trying to win friends here.  If folks (I can't remember the individual's name, on the previous post, that made some substantive critiques and we've been having a good conversation) want to have to a real conversation based upon the stuff I post, good!  But if not...I never asked them to come, and won't be offended when they leave.

      I thank you for your comments and think that you're spot on.  But assume that I don't have the same goals as many people on here--I'm not promoting a cause.  The work that I do within Indian Country is specifically dedicated to true self-determination, e.g., I'm not begging for non-Natives to help me or us with it.  

  •  I have a suggestion. Take it for what it's worth. (10+ / 0-)

    I have been a consultant to the legal profession for four decades.  Lawyers I work with tend to win their cases.  Counsel, you ain't winning here.  You are even in friendly territory, among people who are willing to support you; however, because of your contentious, confrontational style, you become insulting or dismissive when it it pointed out, so are driving people from your cause.  

    Think of writing here more like making a closing argument to a jury rather than cross-examining a hostile witness.  If you behaved toward a jury as you have behaved here, they would hand you your ass.  If you have arguments to make or points you want to persuade people to consider, you might try a different tack.  

    Just sayin'.

    The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

    by Otteray Scribe on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 05:35:18 AM PDT

    •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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      I appreciate your suggestions.  Like Dr. Erich Bloodaxe, I think that you're spot on and therefore say "hunya."

      That said, I'm not promoting causes--there is no jury here.  I believe in true Native self-determination; e.g., I don't go begging outside of my community for help with my causes.  I could care less if the jury likes me or not because I plan to break my guy out of jail with a wrecking ball.  If those folks outside of my community want to come to my community, respectfully, take it as it lay, and get involved--cool.  But those days of jumping through hoops and getting dressed up as the dignified, stoic and placid Indian are gone.  We have the resources internally.

      I truly appreciate your suggestion.  I will continue to be an independent and think that both major political parties are fundamentally flawed and will continue to critique the flawed system.  Moreover, I will continue to support candidates that I think are actual human beings--President Obama being one--and not give allegiance because of political party.  As many of my elders have stated, and Malcolm X hinted, that is a recipe for disaster.

  •  What I don't get (5+ / 0-)

    is the diary suggests Southern Democrats = racist Dems, and the reason for it is that black people are ungrateful.

    The diary's a POS for many reasons, not the least of which is that it makes no sense, but what it SEEMS to imply is truly odious.

    We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

    by raptavio on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 08:50:32 AM PDT

  •  Hello Gyasi Ross (1+ / 0-)
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    Otteray Scribe

    You might remember me.  I was one of the two people who commented on your first diary.  I missed your thoughtful response at the time, and just read it now.  You were a brand new diarist, and I feel a teeny tiny bit like I let you down by not seeing and responding to you back then.

    I’ve also just read your subsequent diaries. I like the guy who wrote the second one.  In the 3rd and 4th diaries, I picture scrappy little 8-year old you being the new kid in class and kicking the shins of the other kids.  

    I like scrappy kids, and besides that, you haven’t kicked me yet.  So, I'm still inclined to like you.  But you sure stepped in it here.  This is a community.  One of the things people often say is that they came here for the politics and stayed for the community.   You might not have been looking for a community, but here you are.  

    A couple things that will be useful if you stick around.  HR means hide rate.  Old timers also call it a donut.  People who have been around for awhile can earn trusted user status.  TU’s can rate comments – recommend is thumbs up, hide is thumbs down.  Enough hide ratings hide the comment, which is the community saying this comment is so disruptive or harmful that it needs to be hidden from public view.  

    There’s a group geared to new users, aptly named New Diarists.  They have lots of diaries on the nuts and bolts of posting here, and also explanation of community norms.  Another helpful group is Courtesy Kos, with loads of advice and insight into getting along when all that most of us know about each other is pixels on a screen.

    If I had seen your response to my comment in your first diary, I would have encouraged you to continue writing about things you are passionate about, but also to interact with other users through reading and commenting.  Like with any other community you’ll get to know people and find favorite hangouts.  This community has become an important part of my life, and it might for you as well if you give it a chance.  Mileage varies of course.

    I hope to see you around.  

    •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Joy of Fishes, Otteray Scribe

      Honestly, I do not remember you, because I still have a hard time telling which name is which.  Still, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me and introduce yourself.  I also appreciate you showing me around a little bit--this is a fascinating place.  Seems like a lot of people take themselves quite seriously, and that makes it doubly fun.

      Thank you.  Truly--you are a kind person.

      As far as stepping in it, I just have my views.  I've been given the honor of many Native people valuing my views, and kinda try to reciprocate by not compromising what I'm saying (therefore, for example, the people that said that my views in the "Two-spirit" piece are offensive, I suggest that they probably don't live on reservations and see the very real persecution that homosexual receive.  Additionally, folks that suggest that I SHOULDN'T mention that Democrats, like Claire McCaskill, have hurt Natives as much as Republicans, don't truly understand Native issues.  Yes, there's a line in the sand there)...As a result of my realist views, I've been offered jobs within both parties and campaigns over the years, and have worked on some of those...

      To the extent that others within this community choose to honor that independence, cool.  But I'm gonna keep posting my unapologetic views, and I hope people respect that.  Similarly, I will not go to other people's diaries unless it's in a respectful manner...

      •  Hello again (1+ / 0-)
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        Gyasi, you have an interesting observation about people taking themselves seriously.  There is some truth in that.  Some of the things we get into here are serious.  That said, there is also a great deal of light hearted fun, humor and snark.  For example, there is very active group devoted to cats and other pets.  Every once in awhile, a foolish, too serious person will take issue with the cat people.  The cat people always win.

        To find groups or diaries on topics you are interested in, use the search button at the upper right corner of the screen.  Dont bother entering the search term there, just click on the button.  A screen will come up with several search categories across the top.  Click on "tags." From there, enter your search terms.  I entered "Indian" and narrowed the search to the last week, and about a half dozen tags came up.  Click on the tags you are interested into see the lists of diaries that used that tag.  You can bookmark the list or click on the heart next to the tag name to add the tag to your stream.  You will also see hearts next to the names of people or groups, and you can choose to add them to your stream by clicking on their hearts.  

        You already figured out one of the primary rules of getting along, which is dont be a dick in someone else's diary.  Seriously, that is what the rule is called, and my language has coarsened a bit hanging out here.

        When people ecounter a user they dont know, many will check the user's profile.  You can see my profile by clicking on my name.  On the left side you can see when I joined - I am still a newbie.  Mojo is determined by an algorythm that takes into account the ratings by other users and the ratings you give others, as well as other factors.  It's the equivalent of a secret recipe.  (By the way, I was mistaken in the earlier comment...I think you can recommend comments at this point, just not yet vote to hide them.)  Below that, you can see who is following me and who I am following.  

        In the middle section, there might be some biographical info;  I chose not post any.    You'll also see the groups I belong to.  Not everybody belongs to groups, but when they do, you can infer some things about the person.  Below that there is a link to my comments, and at the bottom is where links to my diaries would be if I had posted any.  If you go to the comments, you can click on just the comment or the diary that the comment relates to.  There's also a link to another page showing "my comment ratings," which brings up all the comments that I have recommended.  

        On the right side is abox with quick links to things on your own profile.  Below that is a list of diaries I recommended.  

        When I go to your profile I can see that you are still new here.  You have written several diaries, the most recent ones not all that well received.  Your comments are only related to your own diaries, and you have given a few recommendation ratings.  You have also recommended a few diaries.  From that pattern, I draw a conclusion that you are learning your way around, and are probably not just here to use the site without giving back in return.  

        If you have questions, try posting them at a recent diary in the New Diarists or Courtesy Kos groups.  You can also send me a message via kosmail - click on "send message" next to my name in my profile.  

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