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Oh, look, another pathetic FAIL from the Romney campaign. Must be a day that ends in "y."

“I’m very proud of my pro-life record,” Ryan told WJHL-TV in Virginia Wednesday in an interview aired Thursday. “I’ve always adopted the idea, the position, that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life.” [...]

“Let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney-Ryan ticket and the president makes policy,” Ryan told the station. “And in this case, the future president Mitt Romney has exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. Which is a vast improvement of where we are right now.”

This isn't the first time this week that Paul Ryan has been forced by the Romney campaign to pretend that he considers Mitt's Romney's new "exceptions" for abortion acceptable. We know he doesn't; he's one of the most rabid Republicans in the House when it comes to stripping women of their rights. (Yeah, yeah. Saying "one of the most rabid Republicans" is like saying "one of the coldest ice cubes." But anyway.)

Paul Ryan believes that abortion should be banned in all circumstances. He doesn't care if you've been raped. He doesn't care if your pregnancy is going to kill you. As long as the sacred fetus is protected, he really doesn't care what happens to the mother. And nothing is more "pro-life" than saying, "Eh, who cares if a woman dies?"

It's a far more honest position to take than Mitt Romney's position. Well, his latest position, anyway. (He used to believe in protecting women's reproductive rights and had no problem profiting off a company that disposed of aborted fetuses, but that's nothing a little Etch-A-Sketch shaking can't fix, right?)

So now Romney believes that life begins at conception, and our Constitution should be amended to say so because all life is precious and sacred—unless, according to Ryan's latest interview, that life is created through rape or incest or might kill the mother, in which case, it isn't so sacred after all so abortion is okay. Giving lip service to these arbitrary and discriminatory exceptions is the coward's way out, trying to claim reasonableness because it's not as extreme as it could be. So of course Mitt Romney likes that. This week, anyway.

But Mitt Romney has also insisted that Paul Ryan's position is "offensive," at least, when Paul Ryan's position is articulated by Todd Akin. Romneyland's first response to Akin's comments about rape and abortion:

"Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," Andrea Saul, a Romney spokesperson, told The Huffington Post.
Romneyland's second reaction:
“Congressman’s Akin comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable, and, frankly, wrong,” Romney said. “Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive.” [...]

“I have an entirely different view,” Romney said. “What he said is entirely without merit and he should correct it.”

The problem? Paul Ryan and Todd Akin share the same position. They both want to ban abortions in all cases, they both think rape is sometimes not really rape and we need laws to stop those not-really-raped women from cashing in on all the perks and benefits of being really-raped. Ryan and Akin have co-sponsored the same draconian bills to restrict women's basic health care and have voted the same way 93 percent of the time.

So Paul Ryan holds the most extreme views possible. And Mr. Top of the Ticket has an "entirely different view" and finds his own running mate's position offensive, not to mention wrong.

Is this not the most awkward presidential ticket ever?

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 08:36 AM PDT.

Also republished by Pro Choice, Rape and Domestic Violence, Abortion, and Daily Kos.

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  •  Hoping that Biden really pounds on him (15+ / 0-)

    about this in the debates. You can't be campaigning for VP and acting like your beliefs are irrelevant at the same time.

    The universe may have a meaning and a purpose, but it may just specifically not include you.

    by Anne Elk on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 08:46:05 AM PDT

  •  Reminds me a bit of McCain/Palin. (5+ / 0-)
  •  GOP is Akin for a breakin' this year (5+ / 0-)


    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 08:49:48 AM PDT

  •  Ask for a pledge from him (5+ / 0-)

    to either continue Romney's policies if something happens to Romney or resign.    Because he is spewing bullshit.   We don't need to hope the President doesn't die because the Vice President is so awful, we need to vote for someone else.

    Ask Mark Hanna about vice presidents and hoping the president doesn't die (McKinley/Roosevelt ticket 1900) and how well that works out.  Personally, in that case, I believe it worked out well for progressives.   But Ryan isn't Roosevelt.

  •  The two-faced-talking-with-forked-tongue (1+ / 0-)
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    that Ryan continues to spout out of both sides of his face is really just so pitiful that it is truly what I would describe as a crying shame.

    Keep crying out about the shamelessness of this man.  Shout it from the rooftops!

  •  Which is clearly why they want Akin to go (6+ / 0-)

    away so he can't be linked with Ryan. As an aside but not really, Huckabee is joined at the hip with Akin so by extension with Ryan, and is scheduled to speak at the convention but we're trying to stop that? Why?!

    Democrats Call On Romney To Drop Huckabee From Tampa Over Akin

    NO NO NO NO NO. Huckabee = Akin = Ryan. Why would we not want to hang that deep fried squirrel eating albatross on Ryan?

    American Bridge, the Democratic tracking firm, is launching an online drive to push Huckabee from the Tampa podium next week. The group says that keeping Huckabee on the schedule suggests the GOP isn’t serious about distancing itself from Akin and his stated views on female biology.

    On Thursday, Huckabee took his party to task for calling on Akin to quit the Senate race in Missouri following Akin’s “legitimate lape” implosion, making the former Arkansas governor the most prominent of Akin’s remaining conservative defenders.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 08:56:07 AM PDT

  •  Mr. Bus made me believe it! (2+ / 0-)
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    allergywoman, JML9999
    So Paul Ryan holds the most extreme views possible. And Mr. Top of the Ticket has an "entirely different view" and finds his own running mate's position offensive, not to mention wrong.

    Don't roof rack me bro', Now the brown's comin' down; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 08:57:10 AM PDT

  •  I would like to register a complaint! (2+ / 0-)
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    CherryTheTart, brillig

    My roleplaying character is a Snowskin Elemental, and she is not a rabid Republican. "Saying "one of the most rabid Republicans" is like saying "one of the coldest ice cubes."

    I am offended on her behalf, as she is probably not aware of Paul Ryan, and demand that the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy stop attacking her, or at least get me back on the mailing list for the Soros checks.

    Thank you.

    (yes, this is snark)

  •  If your long held (3+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, xxdr zombiexx, Vita Brevis

    moral Catholic crazy beliefs can be so easily compromised by wanting more power by joining a ticket with a man who has zero credibility on any issue -- well, then, you are an amoral asshole.

    Let's hope at least 2 wingers get a clue that Ryan will sell any fetus down the river for a shot at the WH.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:32:51 AM PDT

  •  I am stunned at the ability of these assholes (0+ / 0-)

    to keep Americans talking about BULLSHIT diversions.

    They are supremely talented with it.

    Yeah, rape and healthcare and abortion are important, but if we don't fix the economy we're all fucked. And that's what they don't want to talk about.

    if we don't get regulations in place to manage or reverse global warming, we're all fucked.

    republicans want to protect fuckers.

    Stop treating them with respect and deference.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:34:28 AM PDT

    •  It's not a bullshit diversion if you are female (3+ / 0-)
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      Lost and Found, doraphasia, Miles

      or if you have a female Significant Other
      or a sister
      or a daughter
      or any female relatives or friends.

      These assholes want to eliminate half the human race from the definition of "person". And if they can get away with THAT, they can and will get away with ANYTHING, and we'll be far more fucked than you think.

      If it's
      Not your body,
      Then it's
      Not your choice
      And it's
      None of your damn business!

      by TheOtherMaven on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40:42 AM PDT

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  •  I realize this is not an original thought (3+ / 0-)

    but honestly, the humans who can never carry a child should SHUT THE FUCK UP about whether the method of conception changes "the definition of life".

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:34:54 AM PDT

  •  I don't suppose I could have a 5 minute round (1+ / 0-)
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    with Ryan in the Octagon.......... I only need one.

    We can make it a charity event.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:40:57 AM PDT

    •  Can't we get beyond Thunderdome? (0+ / 0-)

      The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

      by JML9999 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:47:20 AM PDT

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      •  Not with republicans refusing to function (1+ / 0-)
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        Politeness - on our end -  is not working.

        I don't really want to vote for the next 40 years trying to incrementally excise this bullshit. That's the rest of my life and these fuckers want to footdrag and stonewall and maintain a very bad status quo that fucks up my late years.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:04:42 AM PDT

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  •  Two TV stations told by Romney: No Akin questions (1+ / 0-)
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    Lost and Found

    When the story first broke, the Romney folks tried to say it was an aberration. Now we know that this happened twice - two different times the Romney people told reporters they weren't permitted to ask Romney about the Akin abortion controversy.
    The WHIO interview was one of four satellite appearances Romney made on local TV stations Thursday. Per common practice, campaign officials fished around for topics and questions that might come up prior to the taping. In at least two of those interviews, the Romney campaign tried to shut down questions about Akin, whose continuing Senate campaign in Missouri is ensuring that abortion stays at the center of the presidential campaign narrative.
    This suggests a few things:

    1. Romney's staff doesn't trust what their boss might say to reporters, so better to cut any questions off before they get asked.

    2. The Akin controversy has hurt Romney.

    3. Arrogance. Romney has an unhealthy dose of Sarah Palin in him; a sense that he will decide what information the public is entitled to, and no one else. It smacks of arrogance. But it also smacks of insecurity. For someone who shows little emotion, Romney sure seems awfully afraid of something.

  •  Forced birth is not "pro-life" (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, doraphasia

    It's anti-woman, anti-healthy children, and anti-family.

    Skepticism of all the elite institutions, not trust, is what required for successful leadership in this era. Digby

    by coral on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:43:44 AM PDT

  •  “I’m very proud of my pro-life record,” (5+ / 0-)

    That's why I voted for two wars during the Bush administration.  Those young people we sent off to die were already out of the womb and who cares about something that isn't in the dark private place of someone's uterus.  

    “I’m very proud of my pro-life record,”  that is why I want to cut all spending on food stamps and assistance for the elderly and children because those people are out of the womb and, oh wait I just wrote that.

    “I’m very proud of my pro-life record,”  so much so that I am going to establish a foundation that will retrieve all unwanted fertilized cells, nurture and protect those cells and allow them to grow so that I can cut off funding once they are able to sustain life on their own, please see above for reasons.

  •  Not opposing is different then supporting (1+ / 0-)
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    steep rain
    a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape
    This is conspicuously different then "a Romney-Ryan administration would veto a bill that did not include an exception for rape".
    •  Yes, and no one will say it (0+ / 0-)

      in the media. Romney has not said he is in favor of any exceptions at all, only that he is "not opposed" to them. It does not mean that he will not strongly lobby for a no exceptions policy. It only means that he is not committed to a veto should exceptions be included in a bill. Someone should nail him down on that - he will never say that he would be in favor of any exceptions.
      And of course no one should infer any kind of relief or victory or acquiescence even if he was in favor of "exceptions".

      Bold at inappropriate times.

      by steep rain on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 01:56:13 PM PDT

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  •  miscarriages will require murder investigations (2+ / 0-)
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    Cali Scribe, doraphasia

    The logical conclusion of "life begins at conception" is that  every miscarriage must be investigated as a potential murder.  Banning abortion won't be enough for them, they are after total control of women.

    "Dark is the suede that mows like a harvest..."

    by profundo on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 09:56:37 AM PDT

  •  Normalizing rape is a mechanism of rape culture (3+ / 0-)
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    doraphasia, a2nite, tonyahky

    Ryan, a very effective agent of rape culture, reduces rape to "a method of conception" in his statement. Such reframing is a blatant and well-considered strategy to de-stigmatize rape and rapists. They've successfully chipped away at abortion rights by renaming and then eliminating from access many needed medical procedures; they've seen this strategy work. Hence the categorization of rapes into Real Rape and all those other things the sluts are having second thoughts about.  Akin considered that there should be "some" punishment for a "legitimate" rapist--but as there are very few "legitimate" rapes, we can all just stop worrying about it and focus ourselves on punishing those sex-enjoying sluts.

  •  Ryan will be de-facto President (0+ / 0-)

    The right wing will press Romney and because he doesn't really have convictions, he will yield to the pressure to actually  move on the policies that they and Ryan want.  

    If Romney asserts  himself too much there could be a real dogfight over who really is Alpha.   Most likely Romney would lose this to those who could convincingly claim that they elected him.  

    That is the problem.

    Paul Ryan would really be President of the United States.  

    This has to be pointed out.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:15:06 AM PDT

  •  "Should it be legal for a woman to be able (1+ / 0-)
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    to get an abortion if she's been raped?"

    We need to point out that it's now legal for women to get an abortion ... period.

    This is the insidious creep of the national discussion over reproductive rights that sgoldinger noted in a diary that's tumbled past the "Recent" pile:

    As of one week ago, the national stance on abortion was that women (or, in many cases, consenting couples) had the right to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy.  Period.  [...] Roe vs. Wade remains the law of the land, it is supported by our president, and attempts to have states vote against abortion rights have failed repeatedly.  In the United States, in the reality-based world of reality, women have the right to choose.

    Now, however, the frame has shifted.  Almost certainly by accident, the comments by Todd Akin have sparked a debate, and that debate has given life to a dangerous underlying precedent.  We are no longer talking about abortion rights as a broadly defined and long-standing policy.  Instead, we are now all focused on literally the most extreme case possible.  We have engaged the most radical right-wing social conservatives on their own turf, and I am worried that we will win the short-term battle but will ultimately lose ground.  Now, the national discussion is exclusively focused on whether we could maybe -- pretty please? -- still consider abortion as an option in the case of rape.

    The move in the frame of reference is belied in the local reporter's question -- "Should it be legal for a woman to be able to get an abortion if she's been raped?"  Or, "I guess we're going to make abortion illegal, but..."

    This is insidious.

  •  Zygote Personhood (1+ / 0-)
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    Cali Scribe

    Making a fertilized egg a person is absolutely counter to the constitution. You must be born to have rights, rights of citizenship, inheritance, residency guardianship and any number of others. This effort to make a fertilized egg a human drives me crazy. I want to ask these guys if they ordered fried chicken and the waitress brought them a fried egg; would they consider that the same thing?

    Try organic food, or as your grandparents called it, food.

    by madame damnable on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:19:57 AM PDT

  •  So was that interview from his daddy's basement? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Do these guys care about the fetus (0+ / 0-)

    after it is born? Health care? Access to affordable, nutritious food? Access to good information and education? I don't think so - not based on their cold, ice cube policies. The fetus is sacred until it is born, and then it is a pox on society if it's parent (s) can't afford to get it what it needs to grow up healthy. And it's parent (s) is a pox, too. Always has been if female.

    Are they going to start allowing abortions if the fetus is female?

    Sickening, all of this.

    •  Hell, they don't even care about (0+ / 0-)

      the fetus in the womb -- look at the attempts to eliminate both Planned Parenthood and the ACA, both of which provide access to affordable pre-natal care for low-income women.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:49:55 AM PDT

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  •  Congressman Ryan, your running mate finds your (0+ / 0-)

    views on abortion offensive. What do you think about that?

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:31:34 AM PDT

  •  IN A RELATED STORY----- (0+ / 0-)

    In a related story, Paul Ryan and Todd Akin have declared that deadly diseases can be avoided by most people by closing their eyes tightly, clicking their heels together, and chanting "Oh great god of deadly diseases turn off the disease accepting valves in my human body"

  •  The Rape Method (1+ / 0-)
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    Ryan says the "method of conception" doesn't change the definition of life. Translation: rape is just another awesome way that God makes babies.

    And nevermind his views on the subject, he's just the guy that Romney thinks is the most qualified American to be one heartbeat away from the presidency.

    P.S. no one is trying to deny access to birth control.. Except that he did, personally, over a dozen times. And Only the GOP has tried to make victims of rape referred to as "accusers" in court and have to pay for their own rape kits.

    But... Romney is the top of the ticket so... Back to sleep everybody

    "...other than that I have no opinion."

    by halsparks on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 10:42:42 AM PDT

  •  Romney ALSO shares the Willke position. (1+ / 0-)
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    As has been reported and diaries, in 2011 Romney went to see John C. Willke at Willke's home in Cincinnati.

    Romney asked for and received Willke's endorsement and support, both in 2007 and again in 2011.

    And just in case you missed it, Willke is the nut case who espoused the "women don't get pregnant by being raped" position that Todd Akin expressed.

    Willke has also separately endorsed Paul Ryan.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 12:07:25 PM PDT

  •  Yes, but; (0+ / 0-)

    While I totally agree with everything Kaili writes here, it is the unvarnished truth, after all. I still have this feeling that, for all the commentary written on this site; we are only "Preaching to the Choir" ? The real question is, how do we reach the great uninformed, out of touch Masses? It seems the Electorate is so clueless they will vote against their own interests; IE, taking away women s rights, taking away all the social safety nets, shifting more of the money to people like the Romney s (more tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporations) and leaving the former middle class and the poor in a Dickensian reality. Don't really watch much TV, but, recently seen a new BBC series (Copper) showing us the New York City reality of 1864. As I watched, I could not help but think "this is the reality the republicans want to return us to".

    "Three things cannot be long hidden: The Sun, The Moon, and The Truth." Buddha

    by Grandson named me Papa on Fri Aug 24, 2012 at 12:14:07 PM PDT

  •  He is against Romney's policy (0+ / 0-)

    He just said the Method of Conception doesn’t change the definition of life

    So he is not for anyone getting an abortion be it a rape or incest victim period,,,take that to the debate Ryan,,,You are going along with Romney cause the boss says that is the way it is,,,and he has changed and flip flopped how many times on this policy?  He sings whatever tune he has to in order to get elected,,,but before he is elected Romney says:

    Folk's I can't tell you what I would do as president, because then I'd lose!

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