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Hmm... so according to this 2-1 appeals court ruling, speech added to cigarette packaging limits speech. I guess the "individual liberties" of li'l old corporate persons like RJ Reynolds outweigh a democratically-elected government's right to add a message on behalf of the public interest. Never mind that we're talking about the packaging of a deadly commercial product with a history of being marketed to kids. Actually showing a kid being harmed on the package would interfere with whatever those Marlboros are trying to express.

Via Raw Story:

In a dissent, Judge Judith Rogers said that the regulation ordering the label “does not restrict the information conveyed to consumers, but requires additional information to be conveyed with the aid of graphic images.”

Rogers, who was appointed by former president Bill Clinton, said that tobacco companies had engaged in “decades of deception” over health risks and had no legal basis to complain about “emotional reactions” to graphic warnings.

You may recall that Judge Janice Rogers Brown, the author of the majority opinion, was one of the radical George W. Bush appointees whom the Dems tried to filibuster, until the Gang of 14 came along and opened the floodgates of nutballery. She's an extreme libertarian who invokes Ayn Rand in speeches to the Federalist Society, and calls government a "leviathan" prone to "crushing everything in its path." You know the type. She and Paul Ryan would make great drinking buddies.

Originally posted to Comics on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 06:50 AM PDT.

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  •  And yet, actual in person petitioning the Gov... (8+ / 0-)

    Is NOT considered protected speech if it doesn't conform to exact "Time, Place, Manner" restrictions.

    Starting to think they should just put up a meter next to a soap box and lose the damn pretense.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 06:56:48 AM PDT

  •  It Needs to Be Pointed Out That the 1st Amendment (5+ / 0-)

    speech freedom is not a freedom of the people as freedom from search and seizure is.

    Grammatically the freedom belongs to the speech; there's no mention of a speaker at all, so it doesn't matter who or what produced the speech. Once the speech exists, government can't interfere with it.

    That's the real basis for Citizens United, not that corporations have been ruled to be people.

    It's hardly the only potentially fatal flaw in the Constitution.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:02:17 AM PDT

    •  _CU_ stripped Congress of its Art 1, Sec. 4 power (0+ / 0-)

      to regulate elections. Now we'll see how far the Court can take the First Amendment to strip powers to regulate commercial speech. The basic distinction in CU is that to the extent political speech is commercial, it has absolute protection, protesters not so much. The flaw is not in the Constitution, it's in how the GOP Court has amended it in recent years. The Dems wanting an amendment to "fix" this, is just another example of capitulation to a Court that will not follow the framers or the amenders. The Dems were ill-advised to ignore the 11th Amendment argument in American Tradition Partnership or organize for an exceptions clause vote, and face the real risk of being priced out of the market.

  •  that's insane (2+ / 0-)
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    so according to this 2-1 appeals court ruling, speech added to cigarette packaging limits speech.
    so typical of how they can figure out anything to say, to advance their agenda

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:03:13 AM PDT

  •  I guess pesticides and other poisons no longer (14+ / 0-)

    need to display skull and bones.

    The stupid is REALLY hurting my head.

    "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

    by MRA NY on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:03:20 AM PDT

  •  But in this day and age, how can anyone not know (7+ / 0-)

    that cigarettes are harmful?

    •  Millions of young people, who think they (1+ / 0-)
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      Heart of the Rockies

      are immortal, and who, if they smoke, even though a compassionate liberal, I could not care less what happens to them, and I sure as hell don't want to pay their medical bills.  

      I see traitors, but they don't know they're traitors....

      by hcc in VA on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:24:35 AM PDT

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      •  Gotta say I agree. If anyone insists on smoking, (1+ / 0-)
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        Heart of the Rockies

        eating 3 Big Macs a day, etc., etc., I don't feel any sympathy and don't want to pay their bills. We are all responsible for our actions and those who, despite decades of warnings, still abuse their bodies aren't endearing themselves to me.

        And for those who'd upbraid me for my "lack of humanity",  part of our shared humanity should certainly include making effort not to be a burden on each other.

        •  I bow to your awesomeness (3+ / 0-)
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          If only the rest of those weak-willed lazy slobs would make no mistakes, and have no bad habits, life would be so much simpler. And what's with all those drunks and junkies costing us precious health care dollars?

          They just need to die quicker, and let the virtuous people  who always make the right choices thrive.

          Why is the ACA giving these louts a pass on getting insurance? We were doing just fine with the insurance companies denying them policies, and Obama had to go screw it up by by guaranteeing coverage. Clearly, we need some sin taxes on insurance! Or maybe some death panels. God knows, these people don't deserve to live.

          •  We really ought to have sin taxes on ciggy butts (0+ / 0-)

            and booze. That'd be just peachy with me.

            •  we do (2+ / 0-)
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              Taxes on cigarettes are pretty substantial, and in some states, they are quite high. California may be the highest.

              It's a fairly regressive tax, but doesn't get poor folks to quit smoking.

              Alcohol, I'm not sure about. Are there federal taxes? In at least some places, there are state taxes.

              I'm not sure where the money from these taxes go, if any goes to mitigate health costs.

              (and yes, a lot of poorer folks tend to not eat healthy. unhealthy food is cheaper, and in some urban neighborhoods, there is not a lot of healthy food available; look up "food deserts".)

              •  I've read about "food deserts," and the fast-food (1+ / 0-)
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                effect (for lack of a better term) among the poor has also been documented.

                Not sure about liquor taxes, esp. here in Maryland.

                I agree that taxing ciggy butts doesn't seem to be a deterrent, but what will work? I honestly thought that by this late date, education would have made an impact.

                •  wish I knew, though there is progress (0+ / 0-)

                  Addiction is powerful.

                  So the key is for kids to never start smoking in the first place. The banning of TV cig ads, and replacing them with PSA's, plus all the other info out there, and very few places where one can smoke seem to have helped, as smoking HAS declined.

                  There are not many places where it's socially acceptable to smoke, so maybe peer pressure is going against smoking now? It certainly is among older people, but I don't know about teens and college kids.

                  There are a lot of places (UT and CA for sure) where smoking is not allowed in bars and restaurants. When you can't light up at the table when you're out for the evening, there's less chance of being tempted to pick up in the first place. I think this is fairly widespread these days, but haven't researched it.

                  As for getting more people eating well, that's actually a thornier problem.

                •  p.s. thank you (0+ / 0-)

                  for your civil replies to my sarcastic and judgmental rant. It's one of those days....

                  People can make a lot of bad choices, and I understand that one is responsible for the consequences of bad choices. Of course, sometimes it really is out of ignorance. more generally, it seems to be human nature.

                  We all have flaws, and it's easy to criticize others for the particular flaws that we don't share with them, but their lives are still worth something, I think.  

                  So I believe that compassion is always the right choice.

                  We are all battling one demon or another. I've made a lot of stupid choices myself over the years. I had every reason to know better in most cases, and yet, I stumble plenty, as do most people I know. So we stand up and try again.

            •  Champurrado - we already do (0+ / 0-)

              In many states the tax on a package of cigarettes exceeds the actual cost of the product.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 06:22:06 AM PDT

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      •  I'm in favor of education to counter (0+ / 0-)

        the ad dollars.  I think it's been effective, as has restriction of locations where people can smoke and affect others with second hand smoke.  However, I cannot imagine package labeling is going to cause anyone to quit smoking or never start smoking.  Are there any data on this?

    •  Replace "cigarettes are harmful" with ... (3+ / 0-)
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      tinksaysboo, Bob Duck, houyhnhnm

      evolution happens.

      the climate is changing, fast.

      Man did so land on the moon.

      The Earth is not flat.

      I could go on...

    •  Canada threw out the graphic photos, too. I think (0+ / 0-)

      theres some academic dispute about their effectiveness. But certainl'y not their grossness.

      Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

      by LongTom on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:53:49 AM PDT

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    •  Why are people still smoking them? (0+ / 0-)

      Because people don't believe it until they are ADDICTED and can't quit.

      At least they aren't smoking mara-ju-wanna.

      People who smoke expect cancer, dammit: marijuana interferes with cancer.

      Please stick to legal, safe, healthful tobacco

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 12:14:07 PM PDT

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  •  I would love to get zombie Karl Marx's take (1+ / 0-)
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    on late-stage capitalism.

    Or maybe zombie Gramscii on such matters.

    Zombie Frankfurt School guys too.

  •  liberalism = slavery according to Brown (2+ / 0-)

    Randian for me means "Prince Randian" from the 1930s horror classic Freaks and is not a reference to libertarianism.

    by Randian on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:08:45 AM PDT

  •  this deserves some eyes. (0+ / 0-)

    OFA sub-site. very good.

    * Join: OBAMA'S TRUTH TEAM * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:10:01 AM PDT

  •  On the one hand, this is ridiculous (3+ / 0-)
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    on the other hand, the idea that the graphic warnings would be more effective than written warnings (maybe we should work on teaching more people to read?) is probably wrong. One thing I remember from back when I was smoking was that ads talking about all the awful things smoking does made me anxious, which made me want to smoke.

    I think if they do succeed in getting the graphic warnings, the main effect will be to boost the market for cigarette cases.

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:17:04 AM PDT

  •  I would draw the line at cardiac autopsy pics on (3+ / 0-)
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    my Twinkies.  

    It needs to be drawn somewhere.   People know that certain stuff is bad for them.  I doubt they even need the warning.  Putting gross pics on the package is overkill, IMHO, no pun intended.  Maybe they should put as much effort into solving the debt problem, no?

    From Demolition Man:

    Edgar Friendly: You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".

    He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason. - Cicero

    by SpamNunn on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:17:06 AM PDT

    •  Yes, separate from the (4+ / 0-)

      speech issue -- do gross pictures actually cause folks to stop smoking?  I never paid attention to the warning on the label because I already knew cigarettes were toxic.  I smoked anyway.  There will be a market for package covers if the rule ultimately wins out.

      Sort of like when I have visited govt. sites that have the stories of people with all sorts of cancers and respiratory illnesses.  Sorry -- that didn't help me quit -- I just wanted to know about methods of quitting.

      That's why GUS helps so many people.  Positive support.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:25:34 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

      This country has a hard time prioritizing it's money.  Lets stop people from smoking at send our troops overseas.  Our citizens education and health can wait.

      You got your sheep, and you got your black sheep, and I'm not even a sheep. I'm on the freakin' moon.

      by tinksaysboo on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:25:59 AM PDT

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    •  I agree. This is too much. (1+ / 0-)
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      Everyone by this point knows the dangers of smoking. It's been printed on the box for years. Adding a hysterical graphic warning is just government overkill, and adds to the conservative fears of over-bearing government.

      Warn people about the dangers, fine big tobacco for lying, but jeez, are they going to want an auditory warning next? Instead of doing things like this, how about throwing a banker or two in jail? How about letting the bondholders lose a tiny bit of value instead of cutting social programs to make up for their failures? Why are they spending a minute trying to dream up unappetizing graphics for cigarette boxes? This is the liberal equivalent of the odious abortion signs the right uses to dissuade people from abortion. Even if you agree cigarettes are bad, the graphics are just too in-your-face.

    •  SpamNunn - I agree (0+ / 0-)

      I thought the graphic packaging was over the top.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 06:26:18 AM PDT

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  •  People know it's bad for you (4+ / 0-)
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    There are messages and campaigns everywhere letting adults and children know the dangers of smoking.  I don't think it's right to force a privately held company to put those types of graphics on their packaging.   "The F.D.A. “has not provided a shred of evidence” showing that the graphic labels would reduce smoking, Judge Brown added." I think that's very important to point out, who is going to stop smoking because of those graphics, a very minimal amount I assume.  And what about other things that are known to be dangerous, like drinking?  Where are those labels?  

    You got your sheep, and you got your black sheep, and I'm not even a sheep. I'm on the freakin' moon.

    by tinksaysboo on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:17:33 AM PDT

    •  My favorite, from the late, great Bill Hicks: (8+ / 0-)
      To my delight, I find that there is a different warning on each pack of cigarettes. Mine says: "Warning: Smoking can cause fetal damage or premature birth." Fuck it – I've found my brand! "Yeah, give me a carton of Low Birth Weights." Just don't get the ones that say lung cancer, you know? Shop around, find a disease you can live with. "What are you smoking, Dave?" "Throat Polyps. Want one?" "No thanks, I'll stick with my Yellow Fingernails."

      He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason. - Cicero

      by SpamNunn on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:20:13 AM PDT

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    •  You're right. And let's get rid of those annoying (4+ / 0-)
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      "STOP" signs on the highway, who the hell pays any attention to those freedom snatchers anyway?  And I'm with you getting rid of those labels on food that tell us how much sugar is in them.  Do you think I care?  And seat belts.  I KNOW you agree with me that it's an intrusion.  Right?

      I see traitors, but they don't know they're traitors....

      by hcc in VA on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:27:36 AM PDT

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    •  Oh golly, making an fricking effort might fail (0+ / 0-)

      so we might as well not even try to prevent forest fires, or floods, or smallpox, or leprosy, or the Plague, or war....

      Somebody stupid enough to say what you did has GOT to be a Republican.

      Don't let millionaires steal Social Security.
      I said, "Don't let millionaires steal Social Security!"

      by Leo in NJ on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:01:11 AM PDT

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    •  I think some graphics would work (1+ / 0-)
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      such as the one shown in the cartoon, saying "Tobacco smoke can harm your children." Some people have no regard for their own bodies, but they care about their kids, and could use the reminder to smoke away from them.

      If the ads have no effect, then why are companies fighting them so vigorously? Why does Judge Brown say the ads are against the business interest of the companies if, as she also says, there's "not one shred of evidence" that they work?

      •  I think the companies are fighting them because (0+ / 0-)

        they're asked to include a marketing message against their product, beyond just a warning label.

        •  I meant that more (0+ / 0-)

          as a rhetorical question to show how Brown is having it both ways here. She's arguing that the visual warnings have no effect on smokers, but that they also work against the business interests of cigarette manufacturers. I suspect they would have some impact on sales, which is why cigarette companies are fighting them so vigorously.

  •  Shut it down! Show's over. (2+ / 0-)
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    Obviously, this county has officially become too stupid to exist. Will the last thinking person in America lock the gate behind them?

  •  oh come on (5+ / 0-)
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    do we really want the government to be able to tell companies, or anyone, what kind of images they may/may not or must/must not display?

    requiring warnings to products with dangerous side effects is one thing; legally mandating graphics of a certain style/tone is a buncha bullshit.  sorry.

    Mitt Romney seems congenitally incapable of inspiring people - Richard Wolfe, 8/15/2012

    by Cedwyn on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:25:26 AM PDT

    •  Janice Rogers Brown -- a likely candidate (2+ / 0-)
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      for Romney's first Supreme Court nomination.

      an African American Woman -- probably to the right of Clarence Thomas.

      What could go wrong?

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:29:06 AM PDT

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    •  Can't the government ban cigarettes (1+ / 0-)
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      by making it an illegal drug?

      Isn't this less restrictive?

      What's the constitutional difference between words and images?

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:31:15 AM PDT

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      •  i just don't want some state-level lege's GOP (2+ / 0-)
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        to decide that abortion clinics must display fetus pictures.


        words are one thing; thought went into putting them together.  images are going for the visceral response.  toying with emotions is no basis for anything healthy.


        Mitt Romney seems congenitally incapable of inspiring people - Richard Wolfe, 8/15/2012

        by Cedwyn on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:36:48 AM PDT

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      •  Upper West - tobacco will not be banned (2+ / 0-)
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        For two reasons, we sort of tried this concept with prohibition. Second, tobacco taxes raise too much money and various governmental agencies are addicted to tobacco tax revenue.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 06:30:34 AM PDT

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  •  Isn't it ironic? (6+ / 0-)

    Americans spend billions of dollars a year on cigarettes, the tobacco companies spend billions promoting and lobbying for their product, and the indirect cost of smoking dwarfs both of those factors. And we can't afford health insurance for our people? Some people want to gut social Security because, I don't know, Ayn Rand used it or something. When I think of the human race, i get more depressed by the minute. I think I'll just sit here and drink. (hats off to Merle)

  •  Meanwhile... (0+ / 0-)

    the food disparagement laws are still standing in many states.

    I had three aunts as a child. All three began smoking in the days when smoking was considered healthful, or at the very least, not harmful.

    One by one they died before reaching old age, even though each had quit smoking years before; heart attack, cancer, emphysema. Cigarettes found a different way to kill each of them.

    curious portal - to a world of paintings, lyric-poems, art writing, and graphic and web design

    by asterkitty on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:31:17 AM PDT

  •  Not as ridiculous as you make it sound, but does (0+ / 0-)

    ignore a rather large legal tradition that differentiates commercial free speech from other speech.

    I would expect (much as the recent ruling on ACA makes me loathe to impute rationality to them) the Supremes to overturn this one with a big fat "Bite me!"

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:31:36 AM PDT

  •  smoking (4+ / 0-)

    Look everyone....I am a lifelong Liberal and a Democrat...and I smoke.  Cigarettes have been known for decades as dangerous...called "coffin nails" well before the US surgeon general called for warnings on the packages.  I am no fan of corporate America -- including the makers of cigarettes...but enough is enough.   Asthma rates and rates for respiratory illnesses are dramatically increasing...all the while the # of smokers and the places where one can smoke are declining.  Not saying it's healthy, but it doesn't kill everyone who smokes.  I am very tired of the nanny state.

  •  Janice Rogers Brown also called Social Security (1+ / 0-)
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    She is a very poor judge and no legal scholar.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:51:12 AM PDT

  •  Its bizarre reasoning, but surely FdA and (0+ / 0-)

    Congress can figure out other ways to curtail cig purchases.  The problem really is that people cant get past the idea that cigarettes are a commercial product, like hairspray or Twinkies.

    Browns statement that The F.D.A. “has not provided a shred of evidence” showing that the graphic labels would reduce smoking, undermines her own statement questioning the government’s authority to force the manufacturer of a product to go beyond making purely factual and accurate commercial disclosures and undermine its own economic interest... If the graphic labels dont reduce smoking, then it should be okay to have them since they arent undermining the companies interests. Conversely, if the labels do in fact reduce smoking, it should be okay to have them because the public interest is served by them.

    Two hundred million Americans, and there ain't two good catchers among 'em. --Casey Stengel

    by LongTom on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:52:06 AM PDT

  •  Wait (1+ / 0-)
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    So now free speech is only protected if it's just like petitioning the government? Because it's going to be hard to convince anyone that the right of a corporation to produce pornography, say, lives up to that standard, and if corporations don't have that free speech right, it's going to bother an awful lot of internet users.

  •  OT rant; I need to vent (0+ / 0-)

    I've been having health problems lately. I quit smoking (yay for me!), but a big side effect is huge, I mean HUGE amounts of phlegm. So much I haven't been able to sleep, eat (4 spoons of soup and need to lie down for an hour with 2 rolls of paper towels); I've been a wreck.

    Thankfully, my nephew has been helping me a lot, but he's got issues. Like punctuality. Everybody's 5 or 10 minutes late on occasion. Tim is never more than 3 hours late. At dawn" for him means "Before it gets dark, but probably after the Sun has actually set." Gardening at night is no picnic, even with help.

    OK, so yesterday I told him, "I need food, I'm literally not getting enough calories to survive. Please help me with step 1: chop the green pepper I picked from the garden this AM. I' 'll cook a simple sauce with leftover toomaites I need to use up and I can get several meals out of that. (pasta, meatball sandwich, Mexican eggs, pizza...)" He agreed to do this.

    15 minutes later, I realized I didn't tell him I wanted it in long, thin strips (Julienne), and when I called his name as loud as I could and hge didn't answer (radio was on), I got out of bed and went looking for him. He was in the kitchen, but the pepper hadn't been touched. He was washing a soup bowl.

    I grabbed a knife next to the sink, which I cleaned with a swipe and a rinse, sponged off the cutting board which was in the sink awaiting washing too, and 3 minutes later, I had the pepper chopped. I then puked my fucking guts out for 15 minutes because the phlegm worsens when I stand up.

    I asked him to sit, calmly and, without blame, tell me why when he agreed to chop a pepper, he couldn't start a 5-minute job in less than a quarter hour. At first, I accepted his explanation: "I hate working in an environment as cluttered as your kitchen (guilty, that's why I need help cleanit it, dummkopf!!), so one clean knife is not enough. I need to clean all the knives, and the forks and spoons, and the dinner plates and the salad plates and the soup bowl, and seep the floor, and..."

    He does not seem to understand, even after I explained it the best I can, that if your job is cooking breakfast for your sick uncle, the day after tomorrow is not soon enough to complete Step 1. If you delay a 5-minute job by 15 minutes, (which he actually did), you have wasted 300% of the time necessary to do it, and you haven't even started yet. Knowing him, he easily could have taken an hour 1000 wasted time. I can
    not make him see what's wrong with this. He doesn't understand that some things need to be done As Soon As Possible.

    Can anyone point me to a Sesame Street youtube that explains "now" and "later"?

    Don't let millionaires steal Social Security.
    I said, "Don't let millionaires steal Social Security!"

    by Leo in NJ on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 07:56:20 AM PDT

  •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

    Why don't we put pictures of morbidly obese children on McDonalds packaging and kids meals? Why don't we put pictures of dead people in cars on Liquor bottles? I'll tell you why. Because it does not make any difference to the person that is consuming that product. It only makes those who object to its use feel better about themselves. It's a matter of  lifestyle choice and people are going to do what they are going to do.

  •  That's it! I am incorporating my uterus (1+ / 0-)
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  •  all i can think of (0+ / 0-)

    when I look at the second frame of that cartoon is "Benny and the 'Rettes."

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:18:43 AM PDT

  •  FREE JOE CAMEL!!! ;-) eom (0+ / 0-)

    I Refuse to Believe Corporations Are People Until Texas Executes One

    by desert rain on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:52:37 AM PDT

  •  Freedom! (0+ / 0-)


    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 08:53:52 AM PDT

  •  Give me Liberty and Death! (0+ / 0-)

    And Frack them, too.

  •  That's sort of a stupid way to look at it (1+ / 0-)
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    speech added to cigarette packaging limits speech.
    It doesn't limit speech, but it violates the right to free speech, which is as much about not being compelled to say things as much as it is being able to say what one wants.
  •  Kudos to Judy Rogers for getting it right. (1+ / 0-)
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    Jen Sorensen

    The majority says the courts have to apply strict scrutiny to a rule requiring tobacco companies to convey warnings about the scientifically proven dangers of their product.  As Rogers points out, there's ample evidence in both Congress' legislative findings and in the rulemaking record to justify the agency's conclusions about the dangers of smoking and the tobacco companies' documented history of deceiving the public, the regulators, and even Congress.  

    This is what happens when you let extreme right-wing ideologues like Janice Rogers Brown onto the federal bench.

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 10:09:50 AM PDT

  •  I'd climb a mountain for a Llama! (0+ / 0-)

    Nice smokes art.
    Wonder if you intentionally referenced another image about advertising and subliminal persuasion?


    La Llama is a brand of cigarettes I saw in Peru.

  •  Ah, tubing (0+ / 0-)

    sucking tubes, going out for a mogue, getting a treatment.  The one good thing about living in Missouri.

    Light is seen through a small hole.

    by houyhnhnm on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 03:02:27 PM PDT

  •  Waay too much big brother (1+ / 0-)
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    As many have stated more eloquently than I will, this is an absurd attempt to regulate compliance.  Yes, there are times when regulation makes sense (seat belts, car seats, etc) but this is an effort to regulate marketing...set forth by bureaucrats.  

    Nearly every state taxes "sin" and if that doesn't change behaviors, then crappy pics will not either.  As another poster commented, what's next?  Fetus pictures at abortion clinics?  Auto accidents on beer bottles?

    C'mon!  We have bigger fish to fry than this crap.

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