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I believe I have finally been converted to Atheism.

It didn't take long. Before I was more Agnostic, like my mom. Still Pro-Choice.

Recently though, I've been thinking a lot about personal stance and the general stance. My general stance is Pro-Choice, all nine(technically ten) months of the pregnancy.

My personal stance is different though. What I mean by "personal" as in regarding only myself. My personal stance is Pro-Abortion. Some people have said it gets confusing but I'm not sure how. There are people who are personally Pro-Life, but are Pro-Choice for the rest of the population. So why can't I be Pro-Abortion for myself and still be Pro-Choice for everyone else?

I've decided that I fit the Anti-Natalist bill the best due to my views. I am all for population control(though obviously, the only way I can contribute is not produce any more children), I am pro-death with dignity, I am pro-letting a person commit suicide if they wish, and on and on. I am all for people having choices, no matter what others think.

The other day, I was discussing coma and brain death with my mom and our views are just about the same. If I am ever brain dead to the point of no return, just unplug the fucking machine! Yes, I know it will hurt my family and friends, but keeping me alive with no hope would hurt them even more. My mother asked the same of me.

The difference between my mom and I is while I'm an Atheist, she's Agnostic, but she's Agnostic in the sense of re-incarnation. She hopes there is something beyond the grave but not something like heaven.

In my personal opinion, I already consider living on Earth as metaphorical hell, if you really think about it. There's is suffering, greed, disasters, and so on and so forth. I feel that once we die, that's what would be considered heaven(to me). Once a human dies, they are at peace.

Now, this has been on my mind for a long time. I don't want to throw the word "spiritual" out there next to the word "atheist", because then most people think of the word "spiritual" as "religious". It gets confusing and frustrating. Some people have tried telling me that it's my "soul trying to get out to Jesus"(which just sounds fucking mental to me) and then my eyes just glaze over. Why? Because I don't give two fucks about religion. Yes, I've read the Bible more than once out of pure boredom, and after the first time, I knew that I do not want to follow something and "love" that is based literally on fearing the living fucking daylights out of it. No fucking thank you. So when I talk about spirituality, I want to say more of beauty and utter wonder of the universe and how it works.

Now, a few weeks ago, I encountered something I didn't think I'd ever see! Some complete jesus freak was actually asking how the sun is on fire when there's no air, why the air doesn't just get sucked out into space and how gravity actually works. He followed up with "only with the grace of God" in every statement. Now, I am taking a geology course right now, and even in middle school knew how the fuck all those things work, but trying to explain it to him was damn near impossible with big boy words, so I had to turn to fucking Google and look up CHILD fucking websites! Want to know what he did next? He actually said those things are impossible without God. I wont lie but my fiancee said my face was pretty fucking priceless when I read that statement. I also read his comments to my fiancee and he just blinked. A lot.

This sort of shit scares me. When people seriously think god made everything, and Earth came out of thin air in one fucking day, it is very fucking scary. I don't understand how people even function with such idiocy. UGHHH!

Anyway, this has been more of a rant-ish post.

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Originally posted to Sasharusha on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 11:33 PM PDT.

Also republished by Street Prophets .

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  •  I Am An Atheist (4+ / 0-)

    but I don't belittle anybody that doesn't agree with me. That is a start. I don't think Jesus was the Son of God. But I think he might have lived. Read the Bible and the Koran and he is there.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 11:47:27 PM PDT

    •  Don't belittle people. All well and good... (0+ / 0-)

      But absofuckinglutely belittle stupid ideas.

      Neither the Bible nor the Koran are reliable sources of information.  Neither are history in the modern sense of the word.  Neither are available in their original forms, which are lost.

      Take the Bible for example:

      There are hundreds of copies of copies of copies of the original documents, no two of which agree.  These stories must have been edited, re-edited and re-edited over a period of centuries, then cobbled together at some point, with persons unknown making decisions as to how to sort out the inconsistencies.

      Add to all that the obvious fact that almost every book reads like a polemic, that writers from the first century CE who wrote extensively about events in Israel and Judea never mention Jesus, and the obvious conclusion is that Jesus is a myth.

      Close your eyes, stop your ears Close your mouth and take it slow Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear And later you can say you didn't know

      by njheathen on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 11:43:00 AM PDT

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  •  The most common proof of a divine creator (2+ / 0-)
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    caul, LaFeminista

    is the "look at the mountains & oceans, the animals & trees, they had to be created by something," rap. Of course, the creator would be pretty wondrous it/him/herself & the question is, "who/what created the creator?"
    I find pondering creation to be pretty pointless & believe the basis of religion is found in humanity's inability to process the concept of death. Worrying about the existence of a supreme being either way, seems to me, to be an enormous waste of time. Agnosticism fits me best.

    Who cares what banks may fail in Yonkers. Long as you've got a kiss that conquers.

    by rasbobbo on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 12:53:35 AM PDT

  •  This one quote is central to my belief (3+ / 0-)
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    tampaedski, Wee Mama, G2geek
    Whether you believe in God or not does not matter much, whether you believe in Buddha or not does not matter so much; as a Buddhist, whether you believe in reincarnation or not does not matter so much. You must lead a good life.
    By Dalai Lama XIV

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 03:28:49 AM PDT

  •  Not sure (1+ / 0-)
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    njheathen

    Not sure anyone converts to atheism. People become atheists when they realize, slowly or suddenly, that all the religions are essentially just children's fairy tales. So it is more you stop believing in them and then by default are left with the alternative of not believing.

    Secondly I have not heard many say they are pro abortion. I would suggest the more appropriate wording is pro choice. I'm sure everyone would like to see fewer abortions (because of better sex ed, contraception etc...).

    If you are up for a few laughs there is a fun Facebook group called ... we fucking love atheism! https://www.facebook.com/...

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

    by taonow on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 03:44:13 AM PDT

    •  Some people *are* pro abortion (1+ / 0-)
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      The author says this is her personal stance.  Who are you to deny her self-identification?

      I am personally pro-abortion as well.  Neither my wife nor I wants any children.  If she were to become pregnant, the nearest health clinic that provides abortion would be her next stop.

      Close your eyes, stop your ears Close your mouth and take it slow Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear And later you can say you didn't know

      by njheathen on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 11:47:31 AM PDT

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      •  Pro abortion (0+ / 0-)

        So you want more abortions?
        If I am pro chocolate ... I want more chocolate
        That is why pro choice is the better term. Pro choice means you get to choose, no one tells you or stops you. What more can you want?

        Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

        by taonow on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 12:41:29 PM PDT

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        •  I am only Pro-Abortion for MYSELF. (0+ / 0-)
          Recently though, I've been thinking a lot about personal stance and the general stance. My general stance is Pro-Choice, all nine(technically ten) months of the pregnancy.

          My personal stance is different though. What I mean by "personal" as in regarding only myself. My personal stance is Pro-Abortion. Some people have said it gets confusing but I'm not sure how. There are people who are personally Pro-Life, but are Pro-Choice for the rest of the population. So why can't I be Pro-Abortion for myself and still be Pro-Choice for everyone else?

          This means that if I get pregnant, I will abort each and every single time. If someone else gets pregnant, they can do what they want without me telling them they have to abort just because my personal stance is Pro-Abortion.

          I hope it makes sense.

          Follow me: https://twitter.com/Sasharusha

          by sasharusa on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:34:49 PM PDT

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  •  Clarification (1+ / 0-)
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    ATHEISM is simply the answer NO to the question "Are there gods/god/supernatural beings". That is ALL Atheism is.

    An AGNOSTIC is someone who answers the same question with "Errrr.....well.....errr.......", trys to sound smart by playing devils advocate and wiffling on about not being able to prove a negative, or still has that small bit of fear left inside about it all being game over once we croak.

    Your views on Abortion are more aligned with Humanism in terms of philosophy and Secularism in terms of politics.

    Id suggest unless you are answering a question on what faith you hold, you answer all the others with Secularist rather than Atheist. It will help people get their heads around the fact that Atheists can hold wildly different social and political viewpoints....there are a small number of anti-abortionist activist Atheists for example who are currently busy mangling the "brand name". Some Atheists are happy to live and let live with the faithful - others (like me) are what are known as Anti-Theists who want to actively exclude religion from any impact on social life and see religion as an evil.

    So...whilst Im an Atheist (and a Positive Atheist at that), Im also a Secularist, a Humanist, a pragmatic Rationalist, a small "s" socialist and an Anti-Theist.

    But what ties all those together is Secularism.

    Welcome to the reasoning side of the world angel....dive on in...the water is lovely! Good to have you on board.

    •  not always fear that (3+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama, Dr Swig Mcjigger, sasharusa

      fuels the uncertainty of agnosticism.  I prefer to think of it as an innate sense of humility, which is nearly always something that humankind could benefit from, in both the religious and the secular world.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:47:43 AM PDT

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    •  You're describing gnostic (or strong) atheism (0+ / 0-)

      At base, atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or gods.

      Most atheists would answer the question you pose with "I don't know."  They are both atheist and agnostic.

      And I respect that position.  I held it myself for some years before I encountered arguments for gnostic atheism that were strong enough to convince me.

      That said, there are people who refuse to self-identify as atheists despite their disbelief and choose to represent themselves only as agnostic.  I  think most of these people are simply fearful of being shunned by their friends or family.  But some of them are firmly convinced that they're smarter than everyone else, and look down on atheists (who they typically define the way you do) for assuming knowledge they don't have.

      The truth is that agnosticism is a point on the knowledge scale, while atheism is a point on the belief scale.  And those scales are orthogonal.

      Close your eyes, stop your ears Close your mouth and take it slow Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear And later you can say you didn't know

      by njheathen on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 11:58:08 AM PDT

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  •  Republished to Street Prophets. nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  Welcome to atheism, but I would say (0+ / 0-)

    That being atheist - which is really just a way of saying you don't believe in something; what you do choose to believe in is up to you - doesn't mean that living on earth is 'metaphorical hell' in your words. Instead, I would say that life is metaphorical heaven in that we get a chance to live, to enjoy life, to experience delights, to experience the love and give love to fellow human beings (and, since I am ex-army to defend other human beings); and to give it our best shot in terms of combatting disease, sorrow, disasters and Republicans. That way when life ends, when your 'weary river winds slowly to the sea' you have the profound satisfaction of having experienced the miracle of life, especially without the spiritual crutch of organized religion.

    An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head. -- Eric Hoffer

    by MichiganChet on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 06:21:06 AM PDT

  •  I appreciate your honesty (0+ / 0-)

    but what some idiot tells you about the Sun & gravity is a narrow sampling of spiritual diversity. A Christian will say the universe is impossible without God, but many (perhaps most) without meaning  physical laws represent magical processes.  Be very aware that right wing Christians have usurped not only the "mainstream"  forums for religious discussion in America, but the language as well. Good theological cosmology is hardly concerned at all with the physical properties of the universe; it is not science & doesn't pretend to be science.

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 04:50:33 PM PDT

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