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Politico - David Koch breaks from GOP on gay marriage, taxes, defense cuts

The 1980 vice presidential nominee for the socially liberal – but fiscally conservative – Libertarian Party, Koch told POLITICO “I believe in gay marriage” when asked about the GOP’s stance on gay rights.
Ok, ok. Even Cheney came around on that. But tax increases? Defense cuts?

Koch said he thinks the U.S. military should withdraw from the Middle East and said the government should consider defense spending cuts, as well as possible tax increases to get its fiscal house in order – a stance anathema to many in the Republican Party.

“I think it’s essential to be able to achieve spending reductions and maybe it’s going to require some tax increases,” he said. “We got to come close to balancing the budget, otherwise we’re in a terrible deep problem.”

Personally, I would LOVE to see David Koch go mano-a-mano against Grover Norquist. David Koch is a slimebucket, but if his influence is enough to weaken the asinine position the GOP has taken about taxes, well, I won't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Of course, the real question is, tax increases on whom? Clearly the conservatives have not been shy, if coy, about raising taxes on the poor and middle class, so I would welcome some elaboration on the part of Mr. Koch about the types of taxes he would suggest raising.

Regardless, please pass the popcorn.

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  •  Why heck Mr. Koch, I guess your boy Mittens (6+ / 0-)

    can't be all that bad, what with these revealing comments you've made.  And I was just about to vote for the other guy.

    I just never realized before what a great guy you really are.  Thank you David for setting me straight.


    Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. Carl Sagan

    by sjburnman on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:58:19 PM PDT

    •  All kinds of people are seeing an opportunity (7+ / 0-)

      to remake the Republican party. There's obviously a power vacuum that's waiting to be filled.
      Arrogating the Tea Party was not a bad strategy. They got name recognition and, for that matter, legitimate gripes. Capitol Hill is broken.  There's a gang of aging crooks whose time is passed.
      The Tea Party people have identified a real problem. Their problem is that they don't know how to fix it. Changing the rhetoric won't do it.
      David Koch has some sort of management theory he peddles. But, it's out of the school of management as people manipulation -- the idea that if one figures out how to "incentivize" people to do one's bidding, everything will be fine. Manipulating people is a losing proposition because the easiest people to manipulate are people who don't know how to do anything.
      To be productive, humans have to be able to transform their material environment -- i.e. manipulate nature.  Just moving people around doesn't accomplish that. Imagine trying to make butter by moving the cows from stalls to pasture.

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:58:19 AM PDT

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      •  off topic, but . . (2+ / 0-)
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        . .  never heard of the word "arrogating" before - "take or claim (something) for oneself without justification". I assume this is where we get "arrogant" from . .

        I like days with new words in them . . thanks.

        "We have the habeas corpus act, and we respect it." Dwight D. Eisenhower - November 23, 1953

        by malcolm on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:17:33 AM PDT

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  •  Will the Anti-Gay Rightwinger Republican Base (5+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, Shockwave, Cedwyn, JBL55, SCFrog

    demand that Koch money be returned by all the politicians?

  •  Words, words, words, I'm so sick of words... (3+ / 0-)
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    They're cheap even when said by a multi-gazillonaire.

    He can say anything he wants. Doesn't mean a thing. He'll still buy the election for the wingers. That says it all!

    Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive. And... It’s the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by auapplemac on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:12:50 AM PDT

  •  If he's serious, then it means he's conceding (5+ / 0-)
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    defeat, he knows Obama's going to win and he knows which direction the country's going in.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:34:40 AM PDT

    •  CYA (5+ / 0-)
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      dougymi, ballerina X, semiot, JBL55, SCFrog

      He's trying to appear vaguely reasonable. Notice how he doesn't say what whose taxes should be increased. The Koch Brothers were "outed"(politically speaking) by Jane Mayer in the New Yorker two years ago. I think they're finding it impossible to fly under the radar now-hence the effort to appear rather benign(they're not!). Also, I wonder if the boycott of Koch products is becoming effective.

      "Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?"

      by buffie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:41:57 AM PDT

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      •  I think you're probably right. It's a ploy to seem (1+ / 0-)
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        moderate, which I have seen the gop do in the last 3 election cycles.
        Since Koch is very obviously trying to buy this election for the gop, it's incumbent on him to assist in the "shapeshifting" effort.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:34:23 AM PDT

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  •  This is the move to the center. (4+ / 0-)
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    Now that the Party's main funder has indicated moving slightly to the center, watch for the talking points to acknowledge SOME defense cuts--probably a token amount--and the same in tax increases.  W. Mitt will now be free to bring these issues up so he can seem "reasonable".

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:06:52 AM PDT

  •  It's a lack of confidence in Mitt's chances. (1+ / 0-)
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    At least that's my read.

    If Obama didn't get Bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger; then Bin Laden didn't take down the World Trade Center because he didn't fly the planes.

    by Bush Bites on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:34:02 AM PDT

  •  Oh hell, the entire GOP can move hard left on (1+ / 0-)
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    every issue, save for drill baby drill, and make the planet uninhabitable for human life in 20 years instead of 50. Yay. We win.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:44:42 AM PDT

  •  So he's closer to Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    on social issues and economic and defense approaches, but supports Romney why? Oh yes, because Obama is black.

    We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

    by CatM on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:14:08 AM PDT

  •  There is absolutely no reason why ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... the Defense Department can't make sizeable cuts in a number of areas and maintain effectiveness.

    Anyone (e.g. most of the GOP) who says otherwise is either lying or mentally incompetent.

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:09:47 AM PDT

  •  Fuck'im (0+ / 0-)

    He paid Norquist's salary for decades, along with ALEC, AEI, CEI, plus a host of whinyrighty mouthpieces, and now he recants?

    He must be scared that Obama will win a second term and exact vengeance on him specifically.  Here's news for you, pal: Dems are better than that.  On the other hand, don't expect your taxes to go down any time soon.

    A good dose of inheritance tax applied to Koch Industries in the 60s would have gone a far way to making American political discourse saner during the ensuing decades.  Let's make sure the new crop of evil potential billionaires don't have the cash for their malevolence.


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