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 On NPR this morning there was a piece about Tennessee's Republican Governor, Bill Haslam, who hired a Muslim woman to his staff and has received criticism from some of his constituents for doing so, and they are pointing to the hiring as evidence of the "infiltration" of Islam in government.
  A resolution is being circulated criticizing the Governor "and Islam" because, says Dentist Lee Douglas:

"By stopping this now, we're going to save ourselves a lot of difficulty in the future,"
and this
"I don't want anybody to persecute any religion including Islam, but we have a duty as Americans to understand that they intend to take us over and compel us to become Islamic,"
In reply, Rebin Omer, who is Islam, spoke in a language the Islamophobes don't understand:
"We haven't seen anything like that from our upbringing or anything, so it's kind of surprising, but the First Amendment gives you the right to worship any religion you want,"
Rep. Diane Black:
"I understand the devastation that Shariah law could mean here in our country, and I'm a sponsor of a bill that will once again say that the United States Constitution is our law and that it is the supreme law,"
A real shame.

Originally posted to http://www.sensiblediscourse.com/ on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 06:54 AM PDT.

Also republished by Muslims at Daily Kos and Three Star Kossacks.

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  •  Diane Black (4+ / 0-)

    a woman with her finger on the pulse of nothing except her stock-market ticker and the Fox News polls.

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:03:47 AM PDT

  •  A Law Enforcing the Constitution. (11+ / 0-)

    My brain hurts.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:05:52 AM PDT

  •  Separation of church and state. Ring any bells (3+ / 0-)
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    anyone?

    Go ahead and jump You might as well jump Go ahead and jump Well you might as well jump Well you might as well jump Go ahead and jump Go ahead and jump ~ Aztec Camera

    by heartobama on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:13:05 AM PDT

  •  I spent 30 years in Tennessee and there is (5+ / 0-)

    something even sadder going on here.  Compared to her challenger in the Republican primary Diane Black is a moderate on the rights of Moslems.  

    Any Jackass can kick down a barn. It takes a carpenter to build one. - Sam Rayburn

    by Old Gray Dog on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:27:12 AM PDT

    •  That is shocking. I knew it was "severely" (1+ / 0-)
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      conservative, but sheesh! I hate this.

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:28:57 AM PDT

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  •  My son was upset with me after pollsters called... (7+ / 0-)

    ...me (Quinnipac) to probe my biases.

    There were a variety of questions about religion and whether I was more likely, make no difference or less likely to vote for a particular candidate because of religion.

    I had to answer honestly, I felt, and I am not neutral about my vote when it comes to religion.

    I confessed that I was less likely to vote for a "born again" Christian and less likely to vote for a Mormon - although I would vote for Harry Reid against any Republican I've ever heard about:    But that's because I'm unimaginative; I have never voted Republican in my life.

    (The Quinnipac pollster kept saying to me about my obvious Democratic bias, "I have to ask..."    He laughed when I said, "what do you think?")

    I also confessed I'd be more likely to vote for an atheist, because, well, I am one.

    He also asked if I hold biases against fat people - Chris Christie my shit for brains Governor was included in the poll - and even though I am a fat person, you can be sure, I'm unlikely to vote for the fat guy in this case (Christie), but not every case.    I could vote for a fat guy, but am not "more likely" to vote fat guy especially when the fat guy has a fat head.

    I was neutral on all other religions.   My son, who turns 18 this year and will be casting his first vote, said I should have said "more likely" for Islam, since Islam faces such bigotry in this country.

    (So do atheists.)

    But it's simply not true, being a Muslim would have no effect on my vote.

    My son will get over it.

    •  It's baffling to me that the right wing has so (4+ / 0-)

      readily embraced a Mormon candidate when in reality, Islam comes closer to Christian theology than Mormonism.

      I've been consistantly beating the drum lately regarding details about Mormonism's founder Joseph Smith and the hows and whys I don't consider Mormonism a religion. I think the more people are made aware of the actual history around Mormonism's roots, the less likely they will be to defend it and the more likely they will be to pass that information along. Hopefully this gets to right wingers who realize they've been snookered and they sit this election out.

      That having been said, I'm disgusted by Republicans' treatment of Muslims. If they should lose this election in part due to evangelicals' discomfort with voting for a Mormon, then so be it.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:56:01 AM PDT

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      •  I usually avoid judging religions, (2+ / 0-)
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        yet I have wondered the same thing. LDS is new and many of their beliefs are quite bizarre to us outsiders. How do they get a pass when Muslims are treated so harshly?

        The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

        by emidesu on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:44:45 AM PDT

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        •  aren't all religious beliefs bizarre? (4+ / 0-)

          http://religionismanmade.blogspot.com/...

          Christianity

          The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

          Makes perfect sense!

          Mitt Romney seems congenitally incapable of inspiring people - Richard Wolfe, 8/15/2012

          by Cedwyn on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:14:18 AM PDT

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          •  I said they were bizarre to outsiders. (2+ / 0-)
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            Since we are more used to the systems we see more often and have perhaps studied them, they do not seem bizarre.
            I'm not usually a relativist but bizarreness is a subjective thing.

            The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

            by emidesu on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:30:10 AM PDT

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            •  then they are objectively bizarre (0+ / 0-)

              as you say, their bizareness is mitigated only by familiarity, i.e., subjectivity. "subjectivity" is fancy talk for "bias."

              Mitt Romney seems congenitally incapable of inspiring people - Richard Wolfe, 8/15/2012

              by Cedwyn on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 09:49:16 AM PDT

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          •  It depends. Christianity doesn't strike me as (1+ / 0-)
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            bizarre becasue I was spoon fed it from birth through early adulthood. I'm sure anyone spoon fed any faith tradition over the same time frame would have pretty much the same reaction. I had to let go of it in chunkcs and pieces.

            I can see tho how someone who was raised atheist would see it as all bizarre or even a former believer could. But if I'm honest, I can't say that. It's a pretty big leap for me from the Christianity I was raised on to celestial sex with multiple wives.

            Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

            by JTinDC on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 11:29:04 AM PDT

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          •  Perfect! (1+ / 0-)
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            There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

            by too many people on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 02:36:58 PM PDT

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        •  LDS partly, perhaps in large part, get a pass (2+ / 0-)

          becasuse Jesus Christ is in the full name of their church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Well that sure sounds all christiany now don't it? Don't git much more christiany than that.

          Most Mormons are also white, so big old pass for that. If the LDS had been founded by brown people they would not have gotten the same pass.

          Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

          by JTinDC on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 11:02:57 AM PDT

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  •  According to Baptist minister John Leland, who (2+ / 0-)
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    along with Jefferson and Madison was a leading supporter of the Virginia Religious Freedom Act which was the basis for the 1st Ammendment, each individual was responsible for their own relationship with God and religion was not a topic for public airing.

    Disdain mean suspicion, but cherish manly jealousy; be always jealous of your liberty, your rights. Nip the first bud of intrusion on your constitution. Be not devoted to men; let measures be your object, and estimate men according to the measures they pursue. Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. It converts religion into a principle of state policy, and the gospel into merchandise. Heaven forbids the bans of marriage between church and state; their embraces therefore, must be unlawful. Guard against those men who make a great noise about religion, in choosing representatives. It is electioneering. If they knew the nature and worth of religion, they would not debauch it to such shameful purposes. If pure religion is the criterion to denominate candidates, those who make a noise about it must be rejected; for their wrangle about it, proves that they are void of it. Let honesty, talents and quick despatch, characterise the men of your choice. Such men will have a sympathy with their constituents, and will be willing to come to the light, that their deeds may be examined. John Leland 1802

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:31:41 AM PDT

  •  From Juan Cole (4+ / 0-)
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    1. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.
    http://www.juancole.com/...

    Some people have short memories

    by lenzy1000 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:37:53 AM PDT

  •  Someone should give these people (2+ / 0-)

    copies of the constitution with the relevant sections highlighted.

    The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

    by emidesu on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:40:01 AM PDT

  •  Our local TN state rep... (6+ / 0-)

    Tony Shipley pretty much said the same thing during the recent campaign leading up to the Repub primary. We must vote for him in order to stop the unproven threat of Sharia law infiltrating our state. Or some such nonsense as that.

    Some time ago I had a FB friend post that she was offended that Muslims were allowed to pray on the grounds of the U.S. Capitol. I replied that the Constitution guarantees them the right to pray, and asked her why she was offended by their praying. She never answered. This friend graduated high school with my wife, and my wife saw my response and told me I should be careful about what I say to her, as she is "very religious." My response was something like, "And...?"

    Another friend who was anti-Obama and was also "very religious" and railed against Muslims and the "danger" they pose also never responded to my comment that the Pentagon had a room where Muslims could go and pray every day. I asked him since Muslims were working at the Pentagon, what threat did they pose to America? I didn't get an answer to that, either.

    Finally, whenever I see comments on FB about Obama being a Muslim, I ask, "so what if he is a Muslim?" and remind them that Article VI of the Constitution states in part "...but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." As before, I also never get a reply about this.

    Ignorance. Pure ignorance.

  •  Re:says Dentist Lee Douglas: (1+ / 0-)
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       "By stopping this now, we're going to save ourselves a lot of difficulty in the future,"
    I wonder whether FUTURIST Douglas   practices Dentistry to compensate, income wise, for a poor record at picking winners in the stock market?

    SNARK!

  •  Republished to Muslims at Daily Kos. (3+ / 0-)
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    The level of ignorance displayed by Rep. Black, Michelle Bachmann, and other legislators regarding Islam is a sad testament to the state of our republic, and indicative of the real threat our Constitution is under.

  •  At least Rep. Black (0+ / 0-)

    doesn't represent my district anymore, though I honestly wouldn't wish her (or Lou Ann Zelenik) on anyone.

    Don't really know enough about Rep.DeJarles to know if he's much better or worse. I'd look at his voting record but much of what the General Assembly votes on anymore boggles my mind.

    "... Verily, God does not change men's condition unless they change their inner selves..." 13:11

    by BlueAdair on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 02:47:17 PM PDT

  •  So, apparently hiring ANY (1+ / 0-)
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    Muslims = Islamic radicals infiltrating our government? Ugh.

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