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Georgia prosecutors recently announced that they intend to seek the death penalty against three soldiers stationed at Fort Stewart who formed a militia group and was making plans to assassinate President Obama.  To my mind, these three clowns are as strong an argument there is against the death penalty.

Think about it, guys.  If these guys actually do get the death penalty, the militia movement will make them martyrs for the cause.  No doubt they actually dreamt of dying for the sake of terminating that Kenyan socialist Mooslim traitor with extreme prejudice.  Simply put, sending them to death would be giving those three exactly what they want.

I find it hard to understand why the feds haven't already gotten involved--after all, it is confirmed they wanted to take out the president.  After all, ADX Florence was built for terrorists like them.  

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    Romney-Ryan: America's Rollback Team

    by Christian Dem in NC on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 02:21:33 PM PDT

  •  Not in my opinion (6+ / 0-)

    I'd be disgusted by a country that puts these slime up as a symbol of why not to kill criminals while we throw minorities under the bus.

    Racism is a far better reason to end the death penalty than worrying about who wants to be a martyr and who doesn't. Seems terrible to argue otherwise IMO. Terrible.

    •  I agree with you that racism is a gaver and (1+ / 0-)
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      more important reason to be against the death penalty, but I think the warning against turning these guys into martyrs should be heeded. The far right has turned people into martyrs very effectively in the past. It could also aid the twisted sense of victimhood that racists seem to exhibit.

    •  there are already (0+ / 0-)

      too many people who think that anyone who isn't a flag-waving patriot at all times deserves the death penalty.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 03:16:41 PM PDT

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  •  I'm more concerned about the fact (1+ / 0-)
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    that when they die the story dies with them. (aside from being against the death penalty on principle)

    The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

    by emidesu on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 02:30:18 PM PDT

  •  I am not a fan of the death penalty (6+ / 0-)
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    dougymi, 2thanks, exterris, marina, Catkin, Sandino

    under any circumstances. I view it as cruel, barbaric and primitive form of punishment.

  •  I think you're wrong. People can become (4+ / 0-)

    symbols in prison or even exile. Look at Ayatollah Khomeini back in the 70s. I don't know if death penalty is justified in this case but your argument is a weak one.

  •  Another reason... (6+ / 0-)

    There's a practical reason not to execute people like this (if they are found guilty. Let's be fair--they haven't even had a trial). I think important intelligence dies with them. Are these teams really coming up with  ideas and money all on their own? Perhaps somewhere there are planners and funders encouraging them. Now--in their twenties--these men may willing to die for their cause and to protect their leader. But leave them in prison for twenty years--a forty-five year old will be much less idealistic. Especially if he sees his secret leader talking on TV, going on with his life and having forgotten all about his loyal footsoldiers rotting away in prison.
    I wonder what names Timothy McVeigh might have been willing to name now, after a dozen years in supermax?

    "...if they conscripted wealth like they have conscripted men, this war would not last over forty eight hours." Joseph Gilbert (Gilbert v. Minnesota, 1920)

    by kevin ssn on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 02:49:06 PM PDT

  •  There's another way to look at this... (4+ / 0-)

    If these folks don't deserve the death penalty, who does?  After all, they cold-bloodedly murdered an ex-soldier and his girlfriend in their pursuit of seditious ends, just as Timothy McVeigh did.  In any state in the Union with the death penalty, that's grounds for it.

    On the other hand, calling them in front of a court martial to answer for mutiny and sedition would give them exactly the kind of platform they want.  Like you said, they want to get their message out, and trying them for their actions helps them do that.

    Trying them for simple murder, though, paints them as what they are: failed criminals and nothing else.

  •  Well... um, just well. (0+ / 0-)

    The case against executing them is that they didn't really carry out anything. (I refer you, for what seems the hundredth time,  to Sideshow Bob's comment that they don't give a Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry.)  Not executing the mastermind of the 1993 WTC attack didn't do anything to deter the 2001 attack, so I wouldn't make this case too forcefully if I were you.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 03:07:45 PM PDT

  •  I totally agree even though some on Kos won't. (1+ / 0-)
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    I have some personnal experience with the Death Penalty. My sister was brutally murdered in 2001 and her killer still hasn't been caught. If/when they are, I will be the first person in line to demand that they recieve Life instead of Death. And if anyone deserves it it would be a person who would do what they did to my baby sister. Compassion is something I believe we should all practice. Even when we have hatred in our hearts like I do.  

  •  Um. No. They plotted to kill the President. They (1+ / 0-)
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    planned to overthrow the government & poison the water supply. It was a dumb fantastical ass plot, but it was the plot nonetheless. They murdered a fellow soldier and his girlfriend in an attempt to cover up their plot. One of them is under investigation for murdering his wife and using the insurance proceeds to buy the guns they planned to use in their plot. Yeah. They deserve the ultimate punishment.

  •  Deterrence. (0+ / 0-)

    It works in situations that aren't economic slavery, such as skid row poverty giving people no other options.

    These military servicemen were not forced to murder a minor and a veteran.

    The lesson to the other teabaggers in the military is clear...

    Be way WAY fucking careful about the line between honorable dissent and odious betrayal. Individual respectful disagreement while maintaining the honor of The Service is acceptable. Treason is not. Mind the line, the stakes cannot be higher.

  •  It's GA. The late unlamented (1+ / 0-)
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    Bobby Franklin wanted women to be tried for homicide if they aborted--he wanted every miscarriage to be investigated as a potential homicide.  I am not surprised they want the death penalty--but I AM surprised they don't regard these guys as heroes because I suspect a lot of my more appalling neighbors likely agree with them.

    I am anti-death penalty. I'd much rather see these dudes spend the next 60 years in solitary confinement in Leavenworth, with all their mail pre-read before it goes out.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:16:54 PM PDT

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