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Virgil Goode, the man causing Mitt Romney fits in Virginia
Life just got a hell of a lot more difficult for Mitt Romney in the Old Dominion on Tuesday: Virginia's State Board of Elections just ruled that former congressman Virgil Goode should appear on the ballot as the nominee of the Constitution Party this November. Goode, a Virginia native who represented the state's 5th Congressional District for six terms, is a former Republican who is almost certain to pull more votes from Romney than Obama. Indeed, a PPP poll from last month (PDF) showed the president carrying Virginia by a 50-45 margin in a two-way race—but that edge blew up to a 50-42 lead when Goode is included (he takes 4%).

So you can understand why Romneyland is very afraid of a Goode candidacy, and why they're challenging his petitions in court. Virginia has pretty tough ballot access laws; indeed, you may recall that only Romney and Ron Paul secured access for the GOP primary earlier this year, with Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry unable to even get on the ballot at all. Goode, though, says he submitted over 20,000 signatures, double the required 10,000. And since they've already been vetted by the elections board, that presents a much tougher hurdle for Romney. So if Goode does indeed stay on and PPP's polling is accurate, Virginia just became a much, much harder nut for Republicans to crack.

P.S. If you've never heard Goode speak, I strongly encourage you to listen to a few seconds of this video. He has one of the most distinctive accents I've ever heard.

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    •  5 points is almost (7+ / 0-)

      definitely out of the MOE--how likely was Va going to be Romney's anyway? (Yes, 8 points is better, of course.) I don't think Romney was counting on it, regardless of how much they are fighting it. They have billions of $, they can fight on an infinite planes of existence without really feeling the pinch.

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:00:01 AM PDT

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      •  He's got to run the table to win (13+ / 0-)

        He has to have Florida and Ohio ... and after that a lot of smaller states.

        Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

        by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:01:41 AM PDT

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        •  What bugs me (3+ / 0-)
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          is that it can happen.  Quite a few of those states (including OH and FL) are within MoE.  Even landslide elections always have at least a couple of states where only a few thousand votes made the difference.

          "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

          by TLS66 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:31:56 AM PDT

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          •  The only landslide possible at this point (6+ / 0-)

            is away from Romney, not toward him.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:34:40 AM PDT

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          •  It could happen (8+ / 0-)

            However, with the selection of Paul Ryan I think Florida becomes extremely difficult for Romney to carry.  Team Obama will pound the Medicare message home in Florida--game, set, match.

            If Virginia and Florida come off the map, it's over.

            •  Yep - Biden has even coined a new term (15+ / 0-)

              for Ryan's plan - Vouchercare.  I'm sure that will play well in Florida.

              NC-4 (soon to be NC-6) Obama/Biden 2012

              by bear83 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:02:46 AM PDT

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            •  Don't think so (0+ / 0-)

              What all of the coverage (that I've seen, anyway) about Ryan's Medicare plan ignores is that he modified it to make it optional: you can take the voucher, or continue with traditional Medicare (that was after his collabo with Wyden).

              Now I can smell the smoke and spot the mirrors in that, but all it takes is a few ads and news reports saying the voucher is optional, and anyway it only applies to people under 55, and that attack is blunted.

              Florida is a frothy economy that runs on tourists and snowbirds, very little economic activity outside of that. Its the hottest place in a bubble and the last place to recover from a recession. 10.5% unemployment.

              I think its unlikely an incumbent President can win in a state with unemployment in the double digits.

              •  really? ryan made the voucher optional? (1+ / 0-)
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                what 85-y-o is going to opt for a coupon that may pay for a portion of their healthcare instead of a govt-backed guaranteed program that promises to pay for their needs?

                bull. fucking. shit.

                the economy is picking up is s fla.  unemployment is declining.  real estate prices are on the rise.

                there's a good reason why gov scott's approval rating is below 30%.  there's a good reason why paul ryan doesn't like to campaign outside of the villages.

                stop repeating rw talking points.  nobody gives a shit what you think obama can do in florida.  we are on the ground, working hard, & you are fucked.

                •  Do you live in Florida? (0+ / 0-)

                  I do. I think I read the Miami Herald, I have friends in Tallahassee (including a former news anchor). I saw an annual trip that about a group of a hundred of us take every year to the Keys cancelled, because so many people are broke, they work in the service industry and their tips are just terrible. I have some sense of what's going on here.  Where do you get your expertise, reading somebody's self-congratulatory blog?

                  On Ryan's Medicare plan, you're confusing the reality of the policy (terrible, and probably utterly unworkable, what company wants to sell health insurance to a senior citien?) with perception - I was talking about how the ads will play out.

                  As for me being fucked if Democrats do well in Florida, you're as nutty as any tea partier or Ron Paulbot. I'm an Obama supporter. But I look at politics realistically, perhaps cynically. You get all foamy at the mouth and paranoid if anyone dares to suggest that all is not perfect in Dems electoral chances. You are exactly what makes intelligent political discourse impossible in this country, you're in the same crowd as any birther or tea party whack job.

                  Zealots are poisonous to intelligent discourse. And you are a true zealot.

                  •  sounds like you're really well-connected to (0+ / 0-)

                    the rw machine in tallahassee.  figures.

                    i lived in fla for many yrs, still have many, many friends & family there, & visit every couple of months.  what you described is not happening, no matter how much you want to believe it is.

                    do you happen to know anyone on medicare?  i do.  and their answer to paul ryan & the r's is "leave medicare alone!"  

                    as for the koch bros/adelson/rove ad barrage working, go ahead, bring it on -- it just pisses off more seniors & activates the base to turn out on election day.

                    your rw talking points break down whenever someone points out the truth b/c you always ignore the facts & opt for the standard fantasy version of "reality" as seen thru the lens of whatever rw hack is the flavor of the month/week.  

                    this is a site dedicated to electing more & better democrats.  not a forum for spewing rw talking points ad nauseum like you do -- your numerous diaries about ayn rand (wtf is up with that?), your rude castigation of female commenters who disagree with your position on abortion & would like you to shut the fuck up when it comes to telling them they must bear a child whether they want to or not, & your not-so-subtle innuendos that, hey, life under a lyin' ryan/romney administration won't really be that bad.

                    you & your rw friends just don't want to take no for an answer.  too fucking bad.

                  •  follow up: (0+ / 0-)

                    a very wise kossak has given me some advice about how i should interact with you.  they say i should give you a chance to prove which way you swing -- whether you're a troll (as i believe) or a legitimate democrat who likes to make their case the hard way.

                    so, if it's acceptable to you, i'll call time out on our feud until the election is over, but i reserve the right to disagree, respectfully, if warranted.

        •  Exactly. Which is why I wish (2+ / 0-)
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          we would concentrate more of our efforts, such as they are, on downballot races. I've said for nearly dozens of months that the Presidential is in the bag; we need to act on Congress . . .

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:34:15 AM PDT

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          •  Not at all (6+ / 0-)
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            The Presidency is FAR from in the bag.

            The beauty of GOTV efforts is that people who show up and vote D for part of the ticket very often vote D for other parts of the ticket.

            Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

            by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:43:24 AM PDT

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            •  Didn't you just point to evidence (0+ / 0-)

              showing the opposite? Romney has to run the table of the swingish states, only 2 of which he has ever led in the polls?

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:45:28 AM PDT

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              •  We know they are not above outright election fraud (4+ / 0-)
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                They've demonstrated that in the last few elections. Further, some forms of possible election fraud, especially those involving voting machines, would be hard to catch or confirm. Even if they didn't swing the Presidential race, they could steal enough close Congressional races to make the next Congress far, far worse than the present one. In fact, that's probably their ideal fallback outcome. They could blame a Democratic President for failure to deliver better solutions, even as their own Congress ensured that failure. You know, just as they have been doing.

                Therefore it is vital that we have as strong a lead as possible in every state. It isn't paranoia when they're really out to get you.

                My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
                --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

                by leftist vegetarian patriot on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:57:59 AM PDT

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                •  True enough, although the (1+ / 0-)
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                  specter is far more relevant than the reality, I'd bet. They've already won, in that regard--we feel like we have to "overwin" just to win, so we spend resources in places they don't have to when we are already stretched thinner than they are.

                  "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                  by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:36:25 AM PDT

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              •  And he also has just now gotten (6+ / 0-)

                to the point where he legally can start spending the whole $100M / month he is raising.

                Be afraid. Be very afraid.

                Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

                by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:01:48 AM PDT

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          •  Why not work on both? (5+ / 0-)
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            Where its practical, of course.

            •  Yes. I just don't want us to work (0+ / 0-)

              harder on the race that is already the focus at the expense of others that, to my mind, are just as important, if more diffuse. Having the Presidency and nothing else is just about as bad as having Congress and not the Presidency.

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:32:23 AM PDT

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          •  Don't panic. Don't take it for granted. Prepare. (0+ / 0-)

            Best move, it seems to me, is to combine forces.  Let the President plan his campaign appearances around swing Congressional districts where he is popular, and call on the electorate to bring "our team" to Congress.

            In many cases, this'll mean taking time to go where he's needed anyway. There are plenty of districts in FL, OH, PA, MO, NV where his appearance could get a new Democrat elected.  But it would also mean going to some districts (CO-3 and 4, NM-2, several in CA and upstate NY) where he's got the state but needs Republican-held districts to flip to get a legislative partner in 2013.  There may also be some states where he's losing but a particular district would benefit from his appearance (maybe in Georgia, North Dakota or Arizona...these are trickier, since a state that even now intends to vote for Mittens may hate Obama so much that an appearance there might actually hurt the downballot).

            The Romney Campaign: Most expensive mid-life crisis in American history.

            by AdmiralNaismith on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 12:18:03 PM PDT

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          •  Time zones (2+ / 0-)
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            Take most of the big swing states, and the Presidential race is over at 8:10 pm Eastern.

            Meanwhile out west the polls are open for nearly three hours.

            Dejected Republicans stay home, wavering independents heading to the polls side with the winning team.

            There's your downticket strategy

            •  Except with a strategy focused (0+ / 0-)

              so strongly on the Presidency, we also see satisfied Dems stay home because Obama would have won already. It works both ways. If I were someone for whom voting is a chore or something I only do when energized, I wouldn't rouse myself to get to a voting booth if the only race I heard was important was over--one way or the other.

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 02:23:07 PM PDT

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      •  I just heard that Romney and Ryan raised $100 mill (6+ / 0-)

        Did Romney and Ryan raise $100 million in August?  If so I think we should contribute to this Goode character even if he sounds like he is from the backwoods if he can take votes away from Romney.

      •  The changing Virginias (2+ / 0-)

        I've been grousing a lot this past decade about how WEST Virginia seemed to go from bedrock Blue State to so Republican (in Presidential elections; they're still virtually one-party Dem in other cases) that the Democrats don't even bother trying any more, all in one or two cycles.

        It's a pretty big consolation if Virginia, with more EVs, does an equal and opposite switch from red to blue.  Prior to 2008, Democrats didn't bother here in Presidential races; Obama stunned everybody (just like W did with WV in 2000) by winning in 2008; this year, they're still calling it a swing state, but with every poll showing Obama ahead and Mittens not really expected to win here, even before Goode got on the ballot  (like Kerry in WV 2004).

        By 2016, will VA be considered a Democrats' state to lose?

        Will those maps that divide America into four quadrants begin to include Virginia as a "Northeastern" State and West Virginia among the "Southern States", and never mind how WV became a state in the first place?

        The Romney Campaign: Most expensive mid-life crisis in American history.

        by AdmiralNaismith on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 12:05:08 PM PDT

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    •  since the GOP is planning on a strategic win (6+ / 0-)

      in any event, winning in the electoral college what the popular vote will not deliver, even the loss of a single state is catastrophic

    •  Yep. Even with Koch $$$ by early September it (1+ / 0-)
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      currently seems Pa. and Virginia are not pure toss ups. Next, Ohio and Michigan. And with vouchercare possibly Florida, although voter suppression there will make it difficult.

      "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

      by TofG on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:05:35 AM PDT

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  •  I wonder if this is how T Jefferson (7+ / 0-)

    sounded . . . (seriously)

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 09:57:50 AM PDT

    •  I've sometimes wondered (7+ / 0-)

      at what point colonists drifted away from Queen's English accents? Surely they arrived speaking with British accents.

      Jefferson was born (here) in 1743, so he was 33 when we declare independence from the crown. I would guess the American southern accent/dialect had not yet at least fully developed by Jefferson's time.

      You're not being "oppressed" when another group gains rights you've always enjoyed.

      by Scott Wooledge on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:13:36 AM PDT

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      •  Considering how many different (2+ / 0-)
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        different accents, in some cases the term dialects might be more appropriate, there were in the UK, it really is hard to say.  Given that, there is an accent from the old time upper crust in Alabama that really does sound like the person came from southern England.

        These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

        by HugoDog on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:23:13 AM PDT

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      •  I would guess not. (6+ / 0-)

        Jefferson spent much of his early life in eastern Virginia, where the accent is softer.  There was a recognizable colonial Virginia accent that had already developed from a century of settlement, but it could not have been terribly pronounced, since it was said that Jefferson spoke a lovely French, and it's very hard to speak good French with a heavy native accent.

        What you're hearing in Goode's voice is southwestern Virginia, where an Appalachian twang mated with a Lynchburg drawl, and the result makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

        "I speak the truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare, and I dare a little the more, as I grow older." --Montaigne

        by DrLori on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:27:53 AM PDT

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        •  True enough. Of course, his school (1+ / 0-)
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          is in Charlottesville, though . . .

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:32:20 AM PDT

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          •  His home was in Charlottesville, where (2+ / 0-)
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            he inherited land.  He founded the school close to home, where he could keep an eye on it.  In fact, he had a low power telescope on his veranda, focused on the Lawn, so he could literally keep an eye on things.

            The school he attended, however, is the College of William and Mary, in Williamsburg.  

            "I speak the truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare, and I dare a little the more, as I grow older." --Montaigne

            by DrLori on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:17:45 AM PDT

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      •  You need to be careful (2+ / 0-)
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        because in some ways we preserve older forms and it is actually "Queen's English" that has drifted away from itself, haha. I can't think of anything right now in terms of pronunciaiton, but we use the old form "has gotten" whereas now in the UK they say "has got."

        One boy against the Stock Market all Wall Street ascream. --Allen Ginsberg, "Elegy Ché Guévara"

        by Anak on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:34:49 AM PDT

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        •  That's sort of my point (3+ / 0-)
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          who knows what colonists actually sounded like? Who's to say what English even sounded like in the 18th century in the UK proper let alone what it evolved to sound like here in the colonies? Regionally English would get mixed in with God knows how many other immigrants' tongues Scottish, Irish, Dutch, French, Spanish, and even native American...

          I'm sure records of pronunciation are rare.

          It's an interesting thing to contemplate. I'm always interested in the topic of language drift.

          You're not being "oppressed" when another group gains rights you've always enjoyed.

          by Scott Wooledge on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:42:22 AM PDT

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          •  We know all this stuff (3+ / 0-)
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            Check out a book like David Crystal's Encyclopedia of the English Language or the book Albion's Seed (I haven't read the latter, but I understand it has such information.)

            For instance, those who went to Virginia cam from the West Country and they pronounced the "r" after vowels. Those who went to New England came from the east of England where the "r" after vowels had dissappeared.

            One boy against the Stock Market all Wall Street ascream. --Allen Ginsberg, "Elegy Ché Guévara"

            by Anak on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:54:04 AM PDT

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          •  Actually, direct records are not so rare. (2+ / 0-)
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            In the Colonial period people did what they had always done, they spelled what they heard.  Spelling among the non-college-educated, even as late as the American Civil War, is still phonetic.  If you go to the original documents--not the spiffed-up official records like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, which were produced by men with Classical college educations, but local court records for instance, you'll see plenty of evidence of how words sounded, because the recorders wrote what they heard.  This is especially true of place and family names, and generally unfamiliar words that would have been sounded out.

            Samuel Johnson published the first real English dictionary in 1755, which was really the first wholesale effort to regularize spelling.  It didn't catch on for a long time (for some people it never has).  I'm working now with some letters written in 1944, and the spellings of unfamiliar words are still phonetic.

            "I speak the truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare, and I dare a little the more, as I grow older." --Montaigne

            by DrLori on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:29:10 AM PDT

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      •  Smith Island (MD) (2+ / 0-)
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        in the Chesapeake Bay is considered to have the most clear remnants of Elizabethan (Shakespearean) English.

        It is because the Island has been so insular since it was populated hundreds of years ago.

        " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:54:59 AM PDT

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      •  Other Way Around (1+ / 0-)
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        What we think of as a "Queen's English" accent is actually a product of 19th century England, and an "American" accent is what English sounded like in the 17th and 18th centuries. Best book explaining this is Bill Bryson's "The Mother Tongue: English and How It Got That Way."

    •  In eastern North Carolina (8+ / 0-)

      I swear the accents sound almost British.  Goode's is in many ways similar.

    •  no, but this guy did... (1+ / 0-)
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      Dudehisattva...

      "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

      by Dood Abides on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:27:03 AM PDT

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  •  Just FYI for the folks at home (10+ / 0-)

    Goode's name rhymes with mood rather than wood.  He does sound like a confederate good old boy southerner too, very interesting dialect.

    NC-06/NC-04; -9.00, -8.41; progress through pragmatism

    by sawolf on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 09:58:45 AM PDT

  •  That's what I've heard called . . . (4+ / 0-)

    . . . Virginia Gentleman. Kind of a cross between New Englander and Georgia. Although I've only heard a few who were truly that dialect. He kind of misses it, a little.


    - The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
    - Aristotle


    by rudyblues on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:02:00 AM PDT

    •  the early ethnographers referred to the (2+ / 0-)
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      planter class in VA as the "Cavalier" class (or maybe the Caviler class?)

      •  Is that where . . . (1+ / 0-)
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        . . . the college mascot came from?

        Hmm.

        The few I've heard were from the landed gentry, so I'll bet on Cavaliers (how then, did Cleveland get the Cavaliers? Marketing genius?).


        - The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
        - Aristotle


        by rudyblues on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:31:57 AM PDT

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    •  In my head, I hear.. (2+ / 0-)
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      "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

      by Wayward Son on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:26:27 AM PDT

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      •  Another weird one is . . . (1+ / 0-)
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        . . . the word about. It comes out with a kind of New England thing, a little like "aboot" or ab-a-oh-oott". It's been a long time since I heard it, and no offense intended to anyone, I just recognized it in the video.


        - The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
        - Aristotle


        by rudyblues on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:36:26 AM PDT

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        •  Aristotle? (0+ / 0-)

          I don't think the Greeks had a "middle class" in anything resembling the modern meaning of the term.  SO I'm really wondering how you got your signature translated from the Greek.  No offense, just curious.  What Greek concept is being translated as "middle class" here?

          •  Alas, I'm no Greek linguist . . . (0+ / 0-)

            . . . but I suspect it is a reference is to the Metics (resident aliens) and the freed slaves, and perhaps to the mercantile and crafts economies in general.  

            I'll completely agree with you that you have to squint to draw parallels between what Aristotle thought of as democracy and what we think of today. Aristotle's intent was to extoll the virtues of a civilization where the "citizens" had enough of a middle class to make sure they didn't have to work, so that they had enough "leisure" to govern. (Romney, on the other hand, wants to increase the lower class, where Greek slaves and women resided, for the same purpose.)

            This translation is probably made with some "poetic license", but it's timely poetry given the state of things today. We need a middle class, and the leisure class needs to get that. So I hope you'll forgive my little contextual anachronism.


            - The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
            - Aristotle


            by rudyblues on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 12:08:19 PM PDT

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        •  I lived in Lynchburg for 20 years (1+ / 0-)
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          and you'll a lot of 'aboot' and 'aowwt' for out, 'hause' for house, etc.  Goode is not favored among those parts, and he's about as dumb as he sounds.

          •  The few I remember hearing . . . (0+ / 0-)

            . . . weren't the brightest bulbs, either.

            "It's a good thing daddy your was rich, because you're not bright enough to shine on your own."

            Funny how big fish in small ponds get. Makes you wonder if there's enough forks in the family tree. Ooh, did I just say that?


            - The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes.
            - Aristotle


            by rudyblues on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 12:49:13 PM PDT

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  •  Ah Virgil Goode, the granddaddy of (3+ / 0-)
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    CoyoteMarti, kurious, VeloVixen

    BITTER CLINGERS is back!

    Hey Rethugs, if you're gonna throw nuts at me, kindly throw a bag of whole, raw cashews. And, gently toss the bag, toss the bag, not throw;)

    by tha puddin on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:05:04 AM PDT

  •  Well, Mittens can kiss my home state (5+ / 0-)

    goodbye, LOL. Funnier than a Shakespearan comedy, this election is.

    Hey Rethugs, if you're gonna throw nuts at me, kindly throw a bag of whole, raw cashews. And, gently toss the bag, toss the bag, not throw;)

    by tha puddin on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:07:30 AM PDT

  •  Just drove through Central Virginia (20+ / 0-)

    Lots of Allan signs, lots of Hurt signs lots of Obama signs, lots of Kaine signs, lots of Douglas Country -- help Virginia's families signs.

    Even some old Goode signs.

    I didn't see one Romney sign.

    Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.

    by NCJim on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:09:30 AM PDT

  •  Goode news! (6+ / 0-)

    Better this than him being back in Congress.  Far better that he - hopefully - acts as a spoiler for Romney in Virginia.

    There's talk that former Gov. Gary Johnson might play a similar role in New Mexico.  He's running on the Libertarian ticket.  Though, perhaps, Johnson might draw more votes away from Obama, proportionally, than would Goode in VA.

    "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Eldridge Cleaver, Black Panther Party (quoted by Paul Ryan without proper attribution)

    by Land of Enchantment on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:10:15 AM PDT

  •  You'all (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, tha puddin

    Should we send Mr. Goode some dough?

    •  Let's send him some some luuuvvvv instead. (3+ / 0-)
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      He's already on the ballot, and he doesn't need money to work the confederate cow towns he needs to drum up support. At least 20k people are going to vote for him, which, and we don't need half that to upset Romney.

      Hey Rethugs, if you're gonna throw nuts at me, kindly throw a bag of whole, raw cashews. And, gently toss the bag, toss the bag, not throw;)

      by tha puddin on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:28:24 AM PDT

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  •  The Goode, The Bad, & The Ugly (10+ / 0-)

    From Clint Eastwood to Virgil Goode, and with the vibrant mood in Charlotte at a Democratic Convention set to only further fire up the Democratic base, this has been a very bad week for Mitt Romney.

    This is great news for John McCain though.

    "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel." ~Sepp Herberger

    by surfbird007 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:14:25 AM PDT

  •  In a nutshell... (3+ / 0-)
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    what's Goode's impetus for running and ruining Romney chances?

    You're not being "oppressed" when another group gains rights you've always enjoyed.

    by Scott Wooledge on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:14:34 AM PDT

    •  Constitution Party: "Good will bring in voters who (1+ / 0-)
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      ...otherwise might not have come to the polls..."

      I'm not sure which voters that would be, but probably it's the voters who don't think Romney's far enough to the right for them:

      "Romney's and Obama's positions are not all that different. There's not much distinction," Goode said. "My position would be significantly different from either of them."

      Goode historically has held strong views on illegal immigration and citizenship. He said he plans to focus on unemployment by cutting down on the number of green card issuances and "keeping American jobs for American citizens first."

      He also said he opposes automatic citizenship and public assistance through programs such as Medicaid and food stamps for the children of illegal immigrants.

      Goode said he supports substantially cutting government spending in areas such as foreign aid, food stamps, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Education and the Department of Defense to reduce the national debt and balance the budget.

      IOW, Goode, the "CP" and the wingnut voters they want to attract don't believe that Romney can do enough damage to the country and its people, so they want a crack at it themselves.

      •  Hmmmm... (1+ / 0-)
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        It's one thing to run 3rd party when you're on at least the majority of state's tickets.

        I know it makes people crazy and furious, but one could argue Perot, Nader, etc, are at least fighting the good fight for the sake of breaking a douopoly.

        But running on a single state's ticket?

        You're not being "oppressed" when another group gains rights you've always enjoyed.

        by Scott Wooledge on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:48:29 AM PDT

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        •  The reality-challenged jingoistic bigots and... (1+ / 0-)
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          fanatics like Goode and his Constitution Party apparently won't let mere facts stop them from the pursuit of their fantasies.  

        •  I think Goode will be on some other state (0+ / 0-)

              ballots. The Constitution Party is a national right-wing party. I don't know which states are where they have ballot status; surely not all 50 1/2 states but probably more than one. They do not have a ballot line in my home state of CA because their former affiliate, the American Independent Party of CA, split off from them a few years ago. In 2008 the AIPCA candidate was Alan Keyes (!) rather than Chuck Baldwin, the Con Party nominee that year.

          Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 54, new CA-30

          by Zack from the SFV on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 03:23:05 PM PDT

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  •  Well, if the RNC/Romney campaign is looking (8+ / 0-)

    to get Goode off the ballot, it suggests that they think he hurts them disproportionately.  I don't think Romney wins the state in a 2 way matchup, but a confirmed 3 way matchup will probably put it out of reach.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:15:11 AM PDT

    •  Even Kicking Him Goode The Ballot Will Hurt Them (1+ / 0-)
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      Zack from the SFV

      There's probably a half-percent or so of hard-right voters who would otherwise hold their noses for the floppy Mitten, but will be (with justification) angered at the dirty-trick targeting of their preferred candidate. It's not as big an effect as Goode actually on the ballot, but it's enough to make things noticeably worse for the GOP ticket than they already are

      On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

      by stevemb on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:59:22 AM PDT

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  •  GOP challenge may backfire as TP types (12+ / 0-)

    in Wingerville are taking the court suits as "backroom politics"  From comments at various winger sites, I note that they are pointing out that Goode has submitted almost 20K signatures but needed only 10K.  Only about 5% of the signatures are being challenged so even if every signature is tossed, he is still on the ballot. In either case the TP is pissed with the establishment GOP in the state.

    The real fun is when the wingers start discussing if Goode can get on the ballot in the other 49 states and even arguing about what a Goode presidency would look like (no kidding)

    •  This may be the start of (0+ / 0-)

      the breakup of the repug party - I dunno but it sounds like Goode is a  teaparty-er. Maybe this will spark a light in other TP's to head on out to their own party. Which is where they belong, stop masquerading as republicans.

      Everybody knows it already

      by redstella on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 12:21:34 PM PDT

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  •  Re: Goode's distinctive accent (5+ / 0-)

    It was one of the deciding factors toward choosing him to put Doug Wilder's name in nomination for Governor at the Virginia Democratic Convention in 1989.

    I'm pretty sure he lobbied hard for the honor when he was a "Yellow Dog" Democrat in good standing at the time.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:19:23 AM PDT

  •  It's fairly well documented that third party (9+ / 0-)

    candidates usually end up with between a third and half of what they polled when the actual election rolls around. The thing is, even then, Goode still spoils Virginia for Romney...

    "Let's put the jam on the lower shelf so the little people can reach it." - Ralph Yarborough

    by Zutroy on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:21:44 AM PDT

  •  One of the biggest stories of the campaign (3+ / 0-)

    along with Romney and the Republican Pennsylvania pullout.

    Goode will take up to 2% off of Romney (shocked if he gets anything more), but 2% will be enough. Romney needed Goode off the ballot to even have a chance to win VA by 1% or in a recount. Goode turns the state from a tossup slightly favoring to strongly leaning Obama.

    I'd guess Obama has a 2 point lead in VA right now without Goode and a 4 pt lead in the state with Goode

    •  There's a factor that change that (3+ / 0-)

      Suppose in mid October the activists at redstate and freerepublic start figuring out that Team Vulture/Voucher has NO PATH to 270 EVs. It's possible that Goode's vote total - ESPECIALLY in Virginia - grows well beyond 2% as he becomes a "protest vote" against another failed Establishment candidate.

      I find it difficult to believe that certain voters would "go down with the ship" with Team Vulture/Voucher if they were convinced they could "send a message" for next cycle.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:37:48 AM PDT

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  •  That suggested link re distinctive accent (1+ / 0-)
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    bear83

    surprised me very much by featuring Goode's statement AGAINST the "surge" in Iraq -- despite a heapin' helpin' of Islamophobia.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:30:27 AM PDT

  •  I just CANNOT UNDERSTAND why (1+ / 0-)
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    Romney thinks he can win this election and function as president of this country. I mean, the USA is not a Mormon church! I don't get this man at all.

    Hey Rethugs, if you're gonna throw nuts at me, kindly throw a bag of whole, raw cashews. And, gently toss the bag, toss the bag, not throw;)

    by tha puddin on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:30:44 AM PDT

    •  He doesn't see it as a church (5+ / 0-)

      He sees it as a business. A business he can buy, loot, ship jobs overseas and pocket a ton of money for him and his investors.

      I've said it before, I'll say it again. I don't care if Romney declares himself to be a Mormon, a Buddhist,  a Zoroastrian or a small village in Wiltshire. Rabbi Yeshua bin Yosuf was right when he said that you cannot serve God and Mammon. By putting the acquisition of money and power above all other considerations,  he has declared himself a member of the Church of Mammon.

      You and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children's children what it was once like in America when 25% of the population was batshit insane.

      by Omir the Storyteller on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:43:56 AM PDT

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  •  Goode & Pawlenty (4+ / 0-)

    There's a winning ticket.

  •  Now is a good time to remember.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that if Romney pulls under 40% nationally, everyone gets a free crunchy taco at Taco Bell.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:49:09 AM PDT

  •  Democratiuc response to Virgil being on the ballot (0+ / 0-)

    in Virginia (followed by Romney's reaction):

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 10:52:41 AM PDT

  •  Math is hard. (3+ / 0-)
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    "The VRP's review shows that Goode has not submitted a sufficient number of valid signatures to qualify for the ballot in Virginia," Nolen's letter says. He says that although "Goode submitted approximately 19,981 raw signatures, approximately 36 percent of the signatures have material errors or omissions and cannot be counted."
    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/...

    Since they need 10,000, and removing 36% of 19981 leaves 12787, what, exactly is the basis of the Republican challenge?

    One might almost say this is a nuisance suit, a kind of frivolous lawsuit that R's are otherwise so in favor or getting rid of.

  •  Thanks for the diary. (2+ / 0-)
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    greenbird, LilithGardener

    That is the distinctive accent of my grandmother who was lace curtain Irish and spoke very similarly, grandfather as well.
    She would say "die ahhh pah" for diaper.

     

    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 11:30:58 AM PDT

  •  Who says racist idiots aren't good for anything? (2+ / 0-)
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    Zack from the SFV, jam

    You go, crazy old white dude!

    Oh, and the accent is pure, unadulterated Virginia tidewater, and yes it sounds weird -- even to an old white native Virginian like myself.

    Virgil Goode: Keeping the "Old" in "Old Dominion".

  •  so happy (2+ / 0-)

    to see Romney forced to fight of a challenge from the RIGHT in Virginia. Good luck with that. R's can kiss the normal, non-trans-vaginal probing electorate goodbye. My dream hope is that this insurgency would reach up and drown Cantor.

  •  You liberals just don't get it (0+ / 0-)

    A Republicon would have kept the plant open retroactively.

  •  sorry mr goode (0+ / 0-)

    but i would like to see in god we trust removed from our currency but thats another story, although i would never vote for mr goode i support him and his right to run on the ballot in nov, maybe the romney campaign can figure out how to suppress his constituents from voting, maybe make them have a heavy accent state id.

  •  When is this going to be decided? Today? (0+ / 0-)

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 01:34:37 PM PDT

  •  Goode WAS QUALIFIED by the VA Bd of Elections!! (1+ / 0-)
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    Explorer8939

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/...

    Read all about it !!

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 01:41:22 PM PDT

  •  Can Romney win without Virginia? (0+ / 0-)

    We would need all the remaining tossups (Ohio, Colorado, NC, Florida) + either Wisconsin or Iowa AND New Hampshire.

  •  Orwellian Doublespeak Of "Constitution" Party (0+ / 0-)

    Aren't they literally the American Taliban?

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 05:25:36 PM PDT

  •  The Duke Cunningham MZM Bribery Scandal (0+ / 0-)

    Oh yeah, that guy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    In 2005, Goode faced questions when a major corporate campaign donor, defense contractor MZM, Inc., was implicated in a bribery scandal that resulted in the criminal conviction and resignation of California congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham.[30] Although Goode insisted that his relations with MZM were motivated solely by his interest in bringing high-paying skilled jobs to his district, in December of that year he donated the $88,000 received in MZM contributions to regional charities.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Sep 04, 2012 at 05:32:25 PM PDT

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