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At Mother Jones, David Corn writes, Obama Should Play the Blame Game:
In a noble effort, Thomas Mann, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Norman Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, earlier this year published a book, It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How
David Corn, colmunist for Mother Jones
David Corn
the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism, in which they insisted that Republicans are indeed the guilty party. These two guys are Washington mainstreamers and hardly quick or eager to issue such a severe verdict. Here's their summation:
We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country's challenges.

That's a strong indictment from these fans of Washington centrism and compromise. (Their Republican rogue's gallery includes Newt Gingrich, Grover Norquist, Rep. Allen West, and the House Republican leaders who countenance the extremism within their caucus.) And they urged the Washington press corps to resist the siren call of both-side-ism: "We understand the values of mainstream journalists, including the effort to report both sides of a story. But a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon distorts reality. If the political dynamics of Washington are unlikely to change anytime soon, at least we should change the way that reality is portrayed to the public."

Much of the establishment media has not taken Mann and Ornstein's advice. The Republicans are not routinely depicted as obstructionists and extremists. The political disputes of Washington are frequently cast as food fights, with Ds and Rs each responsible for the flying mashed potatoes. And as long as Obama ends up with pie on his face, the congressional Republicans care little how much is on theirs.

Can Obama do anything to change this script?

Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2009:

So, it has been well established over the last two weeks that New Jersey GOP gubernatorial nominee Chris Christie has been a one-man traffic wrecking crew in his adult life. Apparently, it gets much, much worse:

[In 2002] Christie hit a motorcyclist after making a wrong-turn that had him briefly going the wrong way down a one-way street in Elizabeth. The motorcyclist ended up in hospital, but Christie didn't get so much as a ticket. And a police official told the Star Ledger that Christie "did identify himself as U.S. attorney."

That would seem to contravene Justice Department guidelines on standards of conduct.
So, just like the 2005 case where he was stopped for speeding and driving an unregistered and uninsured car, Chris Christie pulled out the "do you know who I am" card, and got off lighter than the average citizen could ever hope for.

So, define Christie as a really lousy driver, and a guy who tries to use his status to avoid proper punishment. You can also, apparently, add liar to the mix.

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  •  529,027 registered users on dKos now. (25+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not all spammers.)


    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #526,100: surgmolej79
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    We've added 2,968 more users in just the last two days.  This is a continuation going back to May where we've been absolutely flooded with new users.  I'm pretty sure almost all of these new users are spammers or bots.  Notice how they all have a number at the end.  And the rate is getting faster, people.  Unlike most of us, these spammers didn't take Labor Day off.  What are they planning?

    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, in honor of Bill Clinton's electrifying speech tonight, here's Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop".

    •  Love that song... and the memories. (6+ / 0-)

      May I add one more for Night Owl listening pleasure:

      Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

      by OLinda on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:34:18 PM PDT

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    •  Best campaign song ever (5+ / 0-)

      I vividly remember driving home from a night class in 1992, doing the happy dance in my car as the election was called for Clinton.  Takes me back every time.

      Hard to believe this year's first-time, 18-22YO voters have no memory of that -- half of them weren't even born yet.  It's exciting to see a new generation meet the President we oldsters know and love!

       I can think of no more stirring symbol of man's humanity to man than a fire engine.     -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by SteelerGrrl on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:14:37 PM PDT

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    •  If you're going to post Fleetwood Mac songs... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...let's pre-date their 'pop' this:

      I thought people might enjoy the following:

      “While the members who composed it were, seven-eighths of them, the meanest kind of bawling and blowing officeholders, office-seekers, pimps, malignants, conspirators, murderers, fancy-men', custom-house clerks, contractors, kept-editors, spaniels well-trained to carry and fetch, jobbers, infidels, disunionists, terrorists, mail catchers, pushers of slavery, creatures of the President , creatures of would-be Presidents, spies, bribers, compromisers, lobbyers, sponges, ruined sports, expelled gamblers, policy-backers, monte-dealers, duellists, carriers of concealed weapons, deaf men, pimpled men, scarred with vile disease, gaudy outside with gold chains made from the people's money and harlots' money twisted together; crawling, serpentine men, the lousy combinings and born freedom-sellers of the earth.” -- Walt Whitman on a Democratic National convention of the 1850s
      Change 'Democratic' to 'Republican' and Whitman could have been describing Tampa last week.
      •  Ahhh, best ever. (0+ / 0-)

        and Green Manalishi (sp?)

        Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

        by dadadata on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:35:09 AM PDT

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      •  thank you (1+ / 0-)
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        Retroactive Genius

        For me there are and always will be two Fleetwood Macks.

        Green's FM with Kirwan that is among the five greatest and most interesting blues-rock bands of all time. Outsold everybody in 1969 (that means Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, everybody). Green, the only guitarist to make BB King sweat. The dual Kirwan-Green attack among the best ever, maybe the best ever. In FM and the Bluesbreakers Green is just in a class by himself (check Curly or Greeny on Mayalls '71 Thru the Years release).

        And then there is dry, dull, ambling pop rock drivel (most of the time) produced by musicians playing under the same name while Green was in and out of communes and psych wards and Kirwan at one time roaming the streets of London as an alcoholic.

        Rarely are there two eras of a "single" band so distinct and so apart, in my subjective view, in their musical talent and value.

        •  Couldn't agree more... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...the 2nd incarnation of FM i.e. drivetime-friendly pop pablum and stadium wank-o-rama leaves me cold.

          The original FM were a completely different kettle of blues/rock fish. You'll doubtless know this gorgeous cover of the old Little Willie John (writer and performer of Fever, I'm Shakin' etc) tune: Need Your Love So Bad.

          Green's guitar work on this is superlative--restrained yearning has never been done so well--and the contrast between work like this, Oh Well, Albatross, Dragonfly, Green Manalishi (perhaps the most sinister rock song ever recorded) and Elmore James' Dust My Broom vs the California MOR pop/rock produced by the Lindsay Buckingham/Stevie Nicks Axis of Banality couldn't be starker.

          And here's Green Manalishi, another guitar classic:

          Vote Obama/Biden!

  •  I may have a chance to pester Justice Scalia. (15+ / 0-)

    And if not me, there's a good shot that one of my friends may have the opportunity. Can you help us come up with some good questions to ask our favorite (/snark) activist judge?

  •  Frankly, at this moment, I'm fed up with this (9+ / 0-)

    meme "This Is What Obama Needs to Do to Win the Election"
    coming from any presumptuous, smart-ass arrogant pundit.

    Let Obama and his smart re-election team decide what to do. Right now I'll go with their decisions and get out that fucking,
    goddamned vote. I'm way past all that second-guessing shit.

    I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

    by Wildthumb on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:35:44 PM PDT

  •  Arithmetic? Hmph. Ain't in no Texas textbook. nt (9+ / 0-)

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:36:15 PM PDT

  •  The best part about Clinton's speech was (13+ / 0-)

    afterwords he was not spent, he could have gone on and everyone would have listened.

    "Is that your vegetarian leather jacket?" George Harrison

    by nellgwen on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:38:15 PM PDT

  •  Great Mann and Ornstein panel discussion (8+ / 0-)

    Ornstein and Mann were at the Center for American Progress a couple weeks ago talking about their book.  It was an amazing panel discussion and the event recording can be viewed here.  I was in the first row.  In addition to the authors, there was a long time Republican Hill staffer and a representative from "the media."  It was awesome and a great condensed version of the book.  If you have an hour watch the video at the link.  I highly recommend it.

    "It looks like how music sounds." --My four year old nephew upon looking through a kaleidoscope for the first time

    by Mote Dai on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:40:58 PM PDT

  •  :o) (11+ / 0-)

    Bill Clinton DNC Speech Ends, President Obama Arrives on Stage at Democratic National Convention

    It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision. ~ Helen Keller

    by Pam from Calif on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:42:48 PM PDT

  •  Off the topic of tonight, but... (3+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, basquebob, 2020adam

    If you're curious what a real Terminator might look like,  and don't mind having nightmares, watch the following clip through - it ends up moving blindingly fast:

    Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

    by Troubadour on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:42:53 PM PDT

  •  Jennifer Rubin is whining about the length (12+ / 0-)

    of Bill Clinton's speech tonight.

    All those big words and stats Big Dog used while he was gutting Rmoney must have made her head hurt.

    Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

    by Jeff Y on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:47:39 PM PDT

    •  Mark Rosenthal in NYT blog.................. (14+ / 0-)
      Watching Bill Clinton take the stage at the Democratic National Convention and take over the room with his first few, simple words – “We are here to nominate a President and I’ve got one in mind” — was like watching a great violinist follow a group of gifted amateurs.

      His commanding presence, his let’s-just-chat manner, the familiar sound of his southern growl were the perfect counterpoint to the Republican Party’s assault on President Obama at its convention in Tampa last week. He skewered the Republicans gently, biting his lower-lip in characteristic fashion. He spoke more in sorrow than in anger – while also making it clear that the Republicans had almost destroyed the country and now want to finish the job.

      Proud Democrat since 1960.

      by Lying eyes on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:02:17 PM PDT

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    •  She is just pissy because the local stations (5+ / 0-)

      On east coast time wouldn't dare to cut away from a President. He could have talked for 3 more hours and they wouldn't have done it

      The airways are still public property. And he was the president of this country for 8 years (and still does a heck of a lot of good, especially after catastrophes).  They would not cut away even if he were droning on and on. The fact that he was informative and interesting was icing on the cake.

      It sucks for Republicans that there are still things they can't control with all of their billionaire dollars.


      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:07:04 AM PDT

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  •  i got to see bill clinton spectacular and on stage (6+ / 0-)

    Meetup with Barack. CNN. That's what was on where I lucked into finding it. With any decent coverage/assessment of the R and D conventions, we win. I just hope it carries down ticket races like '08 and we take better advantage this time in congress from the jump.

    You can hold an opinion, or a grudge, or a stock, or a picket sign. But the time really to be at your best Is when you hold the hand of a trusting child.

    by renzo capetti on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:56:01 PM PDT

    •  I just hope the NFL didn't wipe (1+ / 0-)
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      out the DNC ratings for tonight.

      Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

      by Jeff Y on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:01:32 PM PDT

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      •  there's some demographic overlap between the 2 (1+ / 0-)
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        Audiences. But a lot of the vote we seek and can get wouldn't even know there was a game or care. The GOP look like morticians in a town where no one ever dies.

        You can hold an opinion, or a grudge, or a stock, or a picket sign. But the time really to be at your best Is when you hold the hand of a trusting child.

        by renzo capetti on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:04:17 AM PDT

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  •  Romney response to Clinton speech bizarre (19+ / 0-)

    On top of that, three Romney camp actions that reek of desperation/a rudderless campaign: he took credit for the auto bailout again; he attempted to modify (again) his position on global warming; and he's announced new minority outreach efforts, something his campaign should  have begun long ago but couldn't because of the extremist positions Romney adopted to win the GOP nomination.

    In catching up with news from late afternoon/evening, I wondered if the Romney campaign wasn't experiencing something of a meltdown.

    Pretty much everything that campaign does goes wrong in some way. The primaries dragged on, Mitt's trip abroad was an embarrassment, Tampa was a dud. That his convention was another entry in Mitt's parade of political fail has been made all the more obvious by the energy and presentation of the DNC.

    And tonight was an epic smackdown televised to the nation, wherein former Pres. Clinton thoroughly dismantled Romney and Ryan while vigorously defending Pres. Obama's record. How did Romney not see that coming? What the hell convinced them that using Clinton in their ads were a good idea or would end well?

    In coming weeks, we might see his campaign lurching more wildly than we're accustomed to. Mitt's unraveling.

    •  They are going to go totally off the rails. (9+ / 0-)

      You can believe that.
      And that will happen the night of the first debate after Obama tears him apart limb from limb.
         Then Ann will say something else threatening. If you don't vote for Mitt I'll, I'll,... I don't know what I'll do but you don't want to see it.

      "Is that your vegetarian leather jacket?" George Harrison

      by nellgwen on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:10:23 PM PDT

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    •  Josh Marshell said it best (9+ / 0-)

      The Romney campaign has a habit of walking into a punch.

      The only thing Romney has going for him is the Voter Suppression laws and the millions and millions of right wing SuperPac cash.

      Other than that, he's got nothing.

      Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

      by Jeff Y on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:21:42 PM PDT

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      •   That is good, and re: republican platform (9+ / 0-)

        James Carville summed up Romney's acceptance speech:

        "If you agree with Bush's economic policy, Cheney's foreign policy and Santorum's social policy you loved Romney's speech."
        From Colbert (9/31/2012
        •  Did Colbert really say that on (3+ / 0-)
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          I get that he may have said it proactively, using the Romney time-travel thing.

          But the extra day in Sepember?

          I can't imagine Romneys giving those away for free.

          Oooooooh! I get it! An extra day for the commoners to work before payday on the first.

          So smart.. Dang those conservatives are evil!


          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:22:01 AM PDT

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      •  The money gap is the one thing that scares me. (2+ / 0-)
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        Every time we listened to an RNC speech, or I talk about some terrible Rmoney/Ryan proposal, my wife somewhat desperately asks if he has any chance of winning. Usually my answer is a straightforward No.

        But I don't feel like I have quite as clear an answer when it comes to the SuperPACs. Karl Rove still scares the crap out of me. My biggest hope was that the big spenders would veer off message and leave Mitt hanging. It's clear now that they are significantly more coordinated than that.

        All that said, I still think the dude is simply an unlikable lout, and he just can't hide it. He doesn't posess half the charisma he seems to imagine. His and Ann's convention speeches weren't notable because now everyone knows who they are or something. It's because this was the best audience they were ever gonna get in front of, yet still they couldn't help but be excessively stiff and unlikable.

        •  Advertising can only sell a product that people (5+ / 0-)

          Are inclined to buy. Think of all the stuff that have been hyped, that you've gotten soooo tired of seeing ads for,  but  they flopped. Remember McDonald's dinner menu or the Salad Shaker? Or the HTC Facebook phone? Or the Apple gaming station? Or a million different movies and tv shows that you saw the bazillions of ads but know no one who saw the movie?

          Romney's problem is that he's like a bad movie that gets bad reviews by critics before it even opens, so they release more trailers from the film. And people start to say, "this thing looks awful." So they release even more trailers, which makes people realize it really is just a bad film. But, having nothing else to work with, they release more ads. Some aren't even honest. But people know what they've seen.

          Before opening day ever shows up, Americans  know what the product is. The ads can't change that fact.  It's in the can. The people who made all the decisions to create that product are stuck with it.

          And the public is not impressed enough to spend their $9 -- or their vote -- on such a crappy product.

          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:48:23 AM PDT

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          •  Good analogy (2+ / 0-)
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            JeffW, grover

            Coming Soon!

            Nightmare On...Erm...Street? Avenue? Whatever: Where You People Live. Mittney's Back! (and nobody gives a flying fuck)

            Also Showing!

            Lyin' Down To Rio...with Paul Ryan as Fred Dontcare and Mittney Rummy as Roger Gingers

            A couple of con artists try to convince people to vote for them by lying incessantly...but even their fancy footwork can't save them.

            In glorious Skank-O-Rama and Dullby Bullshit-a-round: you'll swear that they're right there, lying to your face!

            Coming Soon!

            No Marathon Man

            Starring Paul Lyin' as Dustbin Halfman and Ritt Momney as Heinrich Himmler. Dustbin Halfman (Poll Lyin') is a man on the run...for office! Aided and abetted by the evil Dr. Himmler (Mop Rimini), an escaped war-criminal, Halfman blankets Wisconsin in lies. Will he succeed? (Nah.)

            Variety called this '...a tragic waste of celluloid...' while The New Yorker said: 'The makers of this abomination must be hunted down with dogs and the moon.'

        •  Like this: (0+ / 0-)

          Romney/Ryan ::New Koch.

          Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

          by dadadata on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:18:23 AM PDT

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    •  Rudderless is the kindest adjective (2+ / 0-)
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      Old Lefty, JeffW

      The only thing he has is money.  He has spent over a year (or maybe 5) and spending the biggest chucks of money, just to convince about 45% of the GOP base that he is an acceptable candidate.  They still don't love him and may not even trust him.

      The have simply carpet bombed their way to the GOP nomination with $$$.  He a terrible retail politician with organization to match that ineptitude.

      There is something particularly odd the last couple of days. Hiding out to prepare for the debate? No barnstorming after his own convention. Brief appearances on a boat or a store with no political purpose.  Canceled appearance about 2 weeks ago for exhaustion.  

      I'd rather just have the process of having his medical records out there and settled without have to speculate if there a reason for them not being released.  It's an indelicate reason to ask for them, but questions will start getting asked if this keeps up.

    •  Money Quote (2+ / 0-)
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      What the hell convinced them that using Clinton in their ads were a good idea or would end well?

      One thing Clinton does not do - and no longer has to do - is take shit from Republicans.

      And he has an army of fact checkers, analysts and policy wonks  to back him up.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:40:46 AM PDT

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  •  Dems have had 2 very effective convention days (8+ / 0-)

    Day 1 was consistent from start to finish.  Day 2 was uneven but it doesn't really matter because of Bill Clinton.  Still, Cleaver, Fluke, Warren, the nun who targeted the Ryan plan were also noteworthy moments.  The economic context provided by Clinton plus the small business focus were key for Obama to sell his vision on Thursday.

    Parties that put forward effective conventions get a bounce.  This year will be no different.

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:32:36 PM PDT

  •  what the difference between (0+ / 0-)

    the republican party staging images of their long lost hero Reagan and what happened at the DNC with Clinton ?

    I could talk for hours about the flaws of both presidents and how they betrayed their party.

    I thought it was time for Obama to hold is own but it looks like he hasn't grown a set.

    To you, I'm an atheist. To God, I'm the loyal opposition.” ― Woody Allen

    by soros on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:33:23 PM PDT

  •  So seems Lyin'-Ryan has more Athletic honesty (6+ / 0-)
    •  If there are 2 there are 20... (1+ / 0-)
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      Lies, I mean.
      Someone who feels compelled to puff up his own image like this doesn't do it every now and then.
      He can't help himself.

      I hope oppo researchers dig up old interviews, resumes and other instances in which Ryan was called upon to describe himself or his accomplishments.
      I bet they'll find a web of lies.

  •  As for the AEI study. (6+ / 0-)

        There hasn't been enough of a mention that the reason the Republican party has become such an outlier is due to a radical pinning of politics to policy.  When one is asked to compromise on the left it's just policy and there's never really an issue.  However, when one is asked to compromise on the right, the issue is immediately coupled with religion, and their perception is therefore that they are being asked to compromise their religious ideology.
         More needs to be made of this - the angle especially of separation of church/state, the aspects of freedom of religion and freedom from religious persecution, and its inevitable outcome once ideologies have been coupled (i.e. they can fight and win against the left by using Constitutional rights to effectively mute the opposition).  I'm sure the party's strategists have purposefully manuvered this into place as has been done numerous times in history when demagogic leaders rise to overthrow a once civil nation.  This needs to be called out as a possible strategy, mostly to thwart its effect before it can be used to its full advantage.

  •  To answer your question: (3+ / 0-)
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    Will Obama call out the Washington Obstructionists....?
    I'm not holding my breath, but I wish he would.

    "That the United States has degenerated into a police state in the short period of ten years should be the campaign issue." Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:59:00 PM PDT

    •  He still has to worry about securing his win (5+ / 0-)

      before working coat tails for down ballot results. I understand the foot dragging.

      So knowing he'll be measured, I'd also like to hear the pitch to send reasonable people that will work with him and for the country. If you're tired of arguments and broken government, send Democrats.

      If you want more jobs - don't just send Obama, but send more Democrats in the House and Senate that will do that. Gridlock to check one party rule just doesn't work anymore.

      •  Spoken right out of the Dem (0+ / 0-)

        political playbook.  So many people on Dkos assume that others are uninformed know-nothings.  I'm 79, have been politically active all my life, was a Press Secretary in a Congressional campaign in 1984 (Cd 40, Orange county, California, against an incumbent republican lover of war,).  My pro peace, pro environment dem candidate was sponsored by Barbara Boxer.  
        Sorry, ptgks, I don't want to be rude, but I don't need your attempt to educate me politically.  Maybe I'm even farther along the parth than you as I am unable to vote for a war criminal as defined under the Nuremberg statutes and many other international laws.
        Hate me if you must.  Think I'm ignorant if you must, but I'm voting Green, Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala.
        Now get out there and try to convince someone else that Obama is the greatest thing since drive in movies.

        "That the United States has degenerated into a police state in the short period of ten years should be the campaign issue." Paul Craig Roberts

        by dharmasyd on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 11:50:41 AM PDT

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        •  I want to apologize to ptgks... (0+ / 0-)

          ...for this comment.  It is far too strident.  My excuse:  I am in despair about having no candidate which I feel is honest and viable for whom to vote.

          I went to the 25th year anniversary of Nuremberg Actions this last Sept 1.   Nuremberg Actions was a peace camp and multi-year vigil protesting the U.S. war on central America.  On September 1, 1987 our main founder and organizer, S. Brian Willson, was deliberately run over by a U.S. Navy train, cutting off his legs, among other injuries.

          Having been a major organizer and a constant presence at the 4 year encampment, I gave a speech about standing 8 feet from Brian when the train ran over him, even though he had sent multiple letters to notify the police, the sherriff, the base Commander at CNWS (Concord Naval Weapons Station), our congresscritters, etc, that he and 2 others would be on the tracks blocking trains that day with dozens of others as spectators.

          Toward the end of my talk I expressed my dismay about feeling forced to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils once again, to vote for the one who would make the less egregious Scotus appointments.  After watching the RNC, I was so horrified I felt I was once again being forced to vote for someone I do not want.  By the end of the RNC, I felt I was 'forced' to vote for Obama to save us from the R&R ticket.  Unfortunately, I woke up the next morning to hear the radio news saying there had been another drone attack on Yemen, missing the "intended" target and killing 4 or 5 people in a car whose charred remains had to be washed out of the car.  And I said ...

          "I cannot vote for a war criminal!"  

          "That the United States has degenerated into a police state in the short period of ten years should be the campaign issue." Paul Craig Roberts

          by dharmasyd on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:25:05 PM PDT

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    •  Axelrod and Jarrett aren't naming names. (1+ / 0-)
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      where they ought to.

      Generically, "the Republican establishment" and specifically, Boehner's, Cantor, Ryan, et al.

      Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

      by dadadata on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:21:15 AM PDT

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  •  Riddle (2+ / 0-)
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    A crisis is unfolding. If we don't act soon, it could have disastrous effects on the world. But there is a lack of scientific consensus that this problem even exists. Nevertheless, there is a whackadoo group of people out there running around with their hair on fire about how this will be the collapse of civilization as we know it.

    What am I talking about?

    If you guessed "environmentalists and climate change", sorry, but no. There's actually scientific consensus that climate change exists and that it is an emerging crisis.

    The correct answer was "republicans and the 'debt crisis.'"

  •  Dear David Korn: (4+ / 0-)
    The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

    When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country's challenges.

    Little slow on the uptake there, aren't you?  What took you so long to figure this out?

    It started happening before 2000, but that was when I sat straight up and realized something was very, very wrong when you idiotic pundits said Dumbya won the "debates," and then came that disastrous $COTU$ decision.  It went further downhill and got much, much, much worse from there.  I got my first computer in 2001 and eventually found my way to political blogs to realize what I had seen in 2000 wasn't a figment of my imagination, that others saw it, too.

    Now..., what about Dumbya and Dickie's lies and war crimes and unconstitutional legislation they forced through Congress, and which Obama extended, & et cetera and so forth and so on and on and on.......

    Are you ever gonna start paying attention to the fact that they should have been impeached by 2007 - preferably earlier, but after the '06 election cycle people were clamoring for impeachment and/or war crimes trials for those two.  Are you even aware of any of that, David Korn...?

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:05:50 AM PDT

  •  OMG Super Dave Osborne just did an (4+ / 0-)

    "Invisible-Mitt-in-a-chair" gag on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

    It was pretty much gold.

    Paul Ryan has risen to prominence because he thinks that poor people should suffer and he doesn't mind saying so.

    by VictorLaszlo on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:21:03 AM PDT

  •  To answer the question, I hope he does. (1+ / 0-)
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    It would be epic.

    "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

    by blueoregon on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:34:12 AM PDT

  •  Maybe the DNC (0+ / 0-)

    could buy up a couple of printings of Mann and Ornstein's book and hand it out at all press events.

    If the RWNM can support Ann Coulter's books and keep her a "best selling author" that way, couldn't the DNC do it with authors not among their ranks?  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:45:17 AM PDT

  •  The Capitol Hill Gang are being abusive. (0+ / 0-)

    Abuse requires an intervention because the victims cannot defend themselves.  At a minimum, abuse has to be called out.  When authority stands silent in the face of abuse, it becomes complicit.
    The victims of abuse cannot be expected to trust people who stand on the sidelines and watch.
    Reasoning with abusers does not work.  They have to be banished.
    That was Cain's punishment, presumably because God figured he didn't know any better than to kill in a jealous rage.  God might have made a mistake. He surely made a mistake in letting Satan hang around.

    Or maybe the deceiver serves to recall humility to the human brain, reminding us that we're not as smart as we think.

    Anyway, obstructionists have to be removed from Capitol Hill. The Tea Party actually made a start. 85 freshmen in the House were a shock, but not enough to restrain the rest.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:04:32 AM PDT

  •  Party Conventions Focus On Presidency (0+ / 0-)

    Not so much on the fall Senate and House races.  Worry that the sliver of swing voters will be persuaded to vote for Obama now but in tossup Senate and House races they will vote for the GOP. And then the obstruction beat will go on. Voters should know its a package deal and doesn't begin and end with the White House.

  •  From the outside looking in (1+ / 0-)
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    The nature of the problem as described looks all too obvious as we look on in horror.

    But I would add this: institutionalized corruption in the form of the essential lobbying money, multiplied by Citizens United/Super PACs, which has now become a vicious cycle and accepted as the status quo.

    You can't change Republicans, you can only win elections and change laws to reform the system.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:32:02 AM PDT

  •  A "sensible center" probably constitutes a (0+ / 0-)

    supermajority but is not motivated. In issues of government reform and austerity, it is probably well to the left of the major parties. Flawed amateurs like Perot and Ventura showed that the market is there.

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