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Should she be offered  VP?

Should she accept VP?

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Hillary for VP 2016?

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    imfunnytoo

    Oh, look.....I get a tagline. I better not waste it. I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by sd4david on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:02:57 PM PDT

    •  Why is everyone so gung-ho (9+ / 0-)

      to make Hillary's career choices for her?

      Why would she want to be VP? She's gone for the top; why should she be someone else's VP? I think she's quite clear she'd like to speak, teach, write, move on to the next phase of her life.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:21:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think some people think that VP (2+ / 0-)
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        Wee Mama, PinHole

        is more powerful than Secretary of State. The reality is that Hillary was more powerful as First Lady and as SoS than she'd be as VP. Vice Presidents are presidents-in-waiting. That is their primary job. Who would take the job who does not want the top job?

        •  Because they are fans more then supporters (0+ / 0-)
          Except for this tie-breaking role, the Standing Rules of the Senate vest no significant responsibilities in the Vice President.
          That's really it. Kinda all they do. The rest of the duties include meeting with heads of state and cutting ribbons. It's a diplomatic appointment in a way. For Biden it's like retiring to sage status. Influential but kinda just golfing a lot. No one is under any obligation to take or even consider his advice. Biden and Obama have a good relationship so he's an active part of the admin.

          If they supported Hillary they would want her right where she is doing just what she's doing. Instead they harbor so misbegotten fantasy that she might out maneuver him politically and wrest control of the country which she would then name Clintopia.

          Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

          by psilocynic on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:49:50 PM PDT

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          •  All that means is that the job is what you make of (1+ / 0-)
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            Ginny in CO

            it. Cheney was a VP and look what he made of it. If Ryan gets to be VP, he and his House support if it survives will be challenging Mittens for the top job and pushing him on every last decision. They will be praying daily for his ill health.

            •  i think bush cheney is different (1+ / 0-)
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              NorthlandLiberal

              Bush was a puppet and that was the deal from the start.  Bush was selected because of his political formlessness and supernatural ability to be persuaded. He was the fuck up son who made good by being a tool of entrenched rw power. Anything can be corrupted but thats nit the norm.

              Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

              by psilocynic on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:07:48 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Maybe you should have been listening to (0+ / 0-)

            Bill comment on what Biden's been doing. Also see: Al Gore.

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:26:12 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  These are the three times biden is mentioned in (0+ / 0-)

              the speech:

              One of the main reasons America should re-elect President Obama is that he is still committed to cooperation.  He appointed Republican Secretaries of Defense, the Army and Transportation.  He appointed a Vice President who ran against him in 2008, and trusted him to oversee the successful end of the war in Iraq and the implementation of the recovery act.  And Joe Biden did a great job with both.  He appointed Cabinet members who supported Hillary in the primaries.  Heck, he even appointed Hillary! I'm so proud of her and grateful to our entire national security team for all they've done to make us safer and stronger and to build a world with more partners and fewer enemies. I'm also grateful to the young men and women who serve our country in the military and to Michelle Obama and Jill Biden for supporting military families when their loved ones are overseas and for helping our veterans, when they come home bearing the wounds of war, or needing help with education, housing, and jobs.
              My fellow Americans, you have to decide what kind of country you want to live in.  If you want a you're on your own, winner take all society you should support the Republican ticket.  If you want a country of shared opportunities and shared responsibilities – a "we're all in it together" society, you should vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. If you want every American to vote and you think its wrong to change voting procedures just to reduce the turnout of younger, poorer, minority and disabled voters, you should support Barack Obama.  If you think the President was right to open the doors of American opportunity to young immigrants brought here as children who want to go to college or serve in the military, you should vote for Barack Obama.  If you want a future of shared prosperity, where the middle class is growing and poverty is declining, where the American Dream is alive and well, and where the United States remains the leading force for peace and prosperity in a highly competitive world, you should vote for Barack Obama.
              What exactly did he do?

              Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

              by psilocynic on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:32:37 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Well, according to Bill, (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Wee Mama
                Oversee  the successful end of the war

                And...

                 implementation of the recovery act

                Those are both really important accomplishments as far as I'm concerned.

                Or did you expect President Clinton to explain "exactly" how these were accomplished in a convention speech  especially when many of the details of the drawdown are likely classified?

                I don't like the fact that people are always deciding for Hillary-- or at least trying to. I realize that its borne of admiration, but it feels sexist to me. I don't recall male politicians getting all of this unsolicited public "advice" ever before.  Hillary is capable of deciding whatever it is she wants to do, if, in fact, she wants to do anything more than take up tennis, knitting or dressage (I hear it's very therapeutic).  She has certainly earned the right to do what she wants, take a well-earned rest, start another career, whatever.

                But we don't have to diminish Biden's accomplishments to communicate that point.

                © grover


                So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                by grover on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 02:36:16 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Those are really important things (0+ / 0-)

                  that aren't part of his specific duties and more a causation of his relationship with Obama. Clinton on the other hand has done more as SoS before breakfast. Look, my point isn't to riff on Biden, it's to point out the ridiculousness of wanting to move clinton from SoS to VP. VP is for launching Presidents. SoSs get shit done.

                  Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

                  by psilocynic on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 07:38:49 AM PDT

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                •  I think I may have come off as a little harsh (0+ / 0-)

                  to Biden. Wasn't my intention.

                  Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

                  by psilocynic on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 08:07:42 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

      •  I think she had worked her ass off (8+ / 0-)

        Trying to get the rest of the world to not hate us so much. She's probably ready to retire. She's earned it!

        Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

        by voracious on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:40:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  She has a much more difficult job as SoS. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Wee Mama, PinHole
          Serves as the President's principal adviser on U.S. foreign policy;
          Conducts negotiations relating to U.S. foreign affairs;
          Grants and issues passports to American citizens and exequaturs to foreign consuls in the United States;
          Advises the President on the appointment of U.S. ambassadors, ministers, consuls, and other diplomatic representatives;
          Advises the President regarding the acceptance, recall, and dismissal of the representatives of foreign governments;
          Personally participates in or directs U.S. representatives to international conferences, organizations, and agencies;
          Negotiates, interprets, and terminates treaties and agreements;
          Ensures the protection of the U.S. Government to American citizens, property, and interests in foreign countries;
          Supervises the administration of U.S. immigration laws abroad;
          Provides information to American citizens regarding the political, economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian conditions in foreign countries;
          Informs the Congress and American citizens on the conduct of U.S. foreign relations;
          Promotes beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries;
          Administers the Department of State;
          Supervises the Foreign Service of the United States.
          VP

          Tie breaking vote; eat lunch with other heads of state and visit people and place to look at things that may or may not need to be commented on; campaign hatchet man.

          What would you rather do?

          Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

          by psilocynic on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:52:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  She says she wants to retire. (13+ / 0-)

    I think I heard somebody say she is going to be 69 in 2016. If she wants to retire, let her. Geez.

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

    by HugoDog on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:07:25 PM PDT

  •  She's going to run (6+ / 0-)

    And she'll win.

    One of her ex-allies said tonight on TV is the Clinton money machine has been told not to go elsewhere yet.

    •  I want Clinton/Warren 2016! (1+ / 0-)
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      Winston Sm1th

      Awesome ticket of awesomeness!  I'd be down for Clinton/Castro or Clinton/Patrick 2016 too.  :D

      We all made this journey for a reason. -- President Barack Obama (February 10, 2007)

      by arabian on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:11:20 PM PDT

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      •  I'm just not ready to anoint Warren (5+ / 0-)

        before she's been in office a single day or even been elected. She just hasn't proven anything as a political operator.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:22:42 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yeah ... (0+ / 0-)

          that's why I said I'm down for Castro or Patrick also because she hasn't been tested yet, whereas Castro is in office already and Deval Patrick has definitely proven himself. :D

          We all made this journey for a reason. -- President Barack Obama (February 10, 2007)

          by arabian on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:42:58 PM PDT

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          •  Each Castro needs at least a term in DC so they (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            FG

            can learn it each in his own way. Being a mayor does not prepare you for the different politics of DC. Smart only works when conjoined with some real time experience.

            •  Bill Clinton never served in DC (0+ / 0-)

              Reagan never served in DC. Carter never served in DC. Bush never served in DC. They all came directly from state level politics. But I do agree it would be a big leap to go from being a mayor to being president, except possibly from NYC mayor who is really like a governor.

        •  This is fan based politics, asastasia! (2+ / 0-)
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          grover, milkbone

          Come on! Play along! Fuck Clinton/Warren, give me warren/kal penn!

          Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

          by psilocynic on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:53:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  What? (3+ / 0-)
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            Wee Mama, milkbone, psilocynic

            No Portman/Clooney ticket?

            She's been a senator AND a queen. And she understands the mind of Dick Cheney Darth Vader. So she is perfectly suited for president.

            He has experience in the CIA, has been a doctor, understands how to steer a ship through stomy waters and is pretty much, a superhero. What else do you need in a veep, really?

            Wooooo! Portman/Clooney, 2016!

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 02:51:38 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  If she doesn't beat Scott Brown she's done (0+ / 0-)

          She will go back to Harvard and remain a well respected academic, but unless he is appointed to something her political aspirations will be dim.

    •  Yeah, that didn't work out too (6+ / 0-)

      well for them last time. Hillary and Biden will be 69 in 2016. That is too old to begin a first presidential term.

    •  Yep. The best part is that not only are the $$ (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      atana

      people told to hang back, but if The President is reelected, the demand won't come from the Clinton machine, it will come from the party. It will be Hillary's to turn down, and with an economic upturn in the wind, the demand from the party and the grass roots to have a woman candidate, former FLOTUS, Senator, SoS, is going to be so strong, who would fight her very hard in a primary?

      Add to that the Big Dog playing the same role as he did in 2008 (backroom muscle) and the wholehearted support of the Obamas and their machine, if she decides to go for it, she'd be almost unbeatable.

      I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves. -John Wayne (-9.00,-8.86)

      by Jonathan Hoag on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:17:47 PM PDT

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    •  She's not. (2+ / 0-)
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      Ginny in CO, VClib

      It's clear she's not. As HugoDog said, she'll be 69. She's got plenty else to do.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:21:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Don't believe everything you hear. (0+ / 0-)

      Nobody is out there locking up supporters for a run in 2016. Nobody. So marching orders to "not go elsewhere" are a figment of somebody's imagination. It's at least a year too early for those kinds of conversations.

    •  Bill wants her to run. That's not the same as her (2+ / 0-)
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      Ginny in CO, Wee Mama

      wanting it. It's four years of Hell if you don't really want it. And you better believe she knows what the job is like.

    •  Then she's lying now. I don't vote for liars. (2+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama, PinHole

      I think concentrating on this election is far more important than speculating on '16.

      FWIW. I'm getting the impression Kossacks have not been paying attention to what the VP has become since Quayle. Gore did a hell of a lot of work. Cheney was shadow POTUS. Biden has also done a lot. VP doesn't get as much attention which can be good for some. Less harassment on what is getting done.

      I think Hillary's ready to retire from government and pursue her bliss with writing, teaching, philanthropy, etc.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:14:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Senatorial candidate Obama stated clearly (0+ / 0-)

        that he would not run for President during a first term in the Senate.

        However, I believe Hillary. I think she wants to move on to the next phase of her life and relax. Bill has made more than $100 million since leaving office so there are lots of resources to enjoy life.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:52:56 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Also she's probably (0+ / 0-)

        hoping for a grandchild or two.

        Chelsea was very close to H's mother (who recently died) and I think from something I read, that if Chelsea has any kids, Hillary wants to be a part of their lives.  

        She'd also probably not like to continue being such a high profile Republican punching bag.

        It would be nice if she would accept some special assignments internationally as needed.  She has so many contacts.  She would be fantastic as head of a foundation - maybe even the Clinton Foundation.  

  •  Yeah, that makes sense. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Quicklund

    She doesn't want the top job, but she'll take VP. And let's talk about who "should" be asked to be VP in 2016 when we don't even know who the nominee is.

  •  4 years is a long time (0+ / 0-)

    She might recharge her batteries.

    The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Hazlitt

    by rfahey22 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:12:49 PM PDT

  •  Hillary belongs on the Supreme Court! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Here's your horoscope for today: The universe doesn't even know that you exist.--Jbou

    by greycat on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:15:09 PM PDT

  •  2016 is going to be a primary knife fight (3+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, Ginny in CO, PinHole

    cage match style. hillary will be enjoying her retirement and life as an eminence grise in the party by that time.

  •  The thought of a 2016 candidate has crossed my (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Sychotic1

    mind. I have no idea who it will be. All those I'd like to see will be too old.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:24:02 PM PDT

  •  I think she will run in 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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    Sychotic1, atana

    but that doesn't mean she will be the nominee.  However, her and Bill's behavior suggests that they assume that is being kept an option, whatever is said.  It isn't CT just because a politician claims no interest in running.

  •  There is no way she'll accept VP. (0+ / 0-)
  •  It is up to her (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, PinHole

    Everyone-let's stop speculating. Hillary Clinto is a superb SOS. It has to be one of the most exhausting jobs on the planet.  I am a few years younger than HRC and I confess that I sometimes do not have the energy level I had twenty or thirty years ago. Let her take a break and enjoy some down time.

    "Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?"

    by buffie on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:38:45 AM PDT

  •  It's time for the next generation to have a go (0+ / 0-)

    at screwing up the nation.  Boomers have had their time, let the GenXer's cynically deal with this mess.

    NOW SHOWING
    Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
    Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

    by The Dead Man on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:06:37 AM PDT

  •  I did some googling. Turns out we have a VP! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:56:59 AM PDT

  •  Hope she runs for President (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jeremimi

    The Democrats would be idiots not to want Hillary as their presidential nominee in 2016.  She'd win in a landslide.  To suggest her for VP in 2016 is really an insult.  Just like suggesting she join the supreme court (so she'll go away and shut up).  Hillary wants to be president and the political arena is what she enjoys most.  The SOS job is to enrich her resume and increase her foreign policy experience.  I don't think Hillary will run for the nomination if she has to fight tooth and nail for it, but if the Democrats want to win the presidency in 2016 it could be theirs in a heartbeat with Hillary.  If they were wise, they'd clear the field and give it to her.

  •  I don't get it. (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary Clinton, for all her accomplishments, has always seemed incredibly unhappy to me. I don't think she has it in her to run for prez again.

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