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Last night, President Clinton did a masterful job of calling out Mitt Romney's and Paul Ryan's lies on Medicare and welfare reform. But it's what wonk-President Clinton said on Medicaid that needs to be included in every Democrats' speech in every venue. Here he is:

Now, folks, this is serious, because it gets worse. And you won't be laughing when I finish telling you this. They also want to block grant Medicaid and cut it by a third over the coming 10 years. Of course, that's going to really hurt a lot of poor kids.

But that's not all. A lot of folks don't know it, but nearly two-thirds of Medicaid is spent on nursing home care for Medicare seniors who are eligible for Medicaid.

It's going to end Medicare [sic, Medicaid] as we know it. And a lot of that money is also spent to help people with disabilities, including a lot of middle-class families whose kids have Down's syndrome or autism or other severe conditions.

And, honestly, just think about it. If that happens, I don't know what those families are going to do. So I know what I'm going to do: I'm going to do everything I can to see that it doesn't happen. We can't let it happen. We can't.

This is serious, and for all the words some of us bloggers have spilled trying to tell the story of how the Ryan and Romney cuts will hurt, Clinton just cut through to the core of it. In the immediate term, there is much more at stake with the proposed Medicaid cuts than with Medicare, and the Republican cuts would be deep and particularly painful because of the populations they would target.

Clinton's comments are, first of all, a direct rebuttal of the Romney/Ryan claim that their proposals won't hurt current seniors. As Clinton says, those Medicare seniors in nursing homes also rely on Medicaid. They'll be hurt, immediately. As will millions of families with disabled children, and disabled adults as well.

And here's where Clinton is so, so effective. In this passage, Clinton uses his arithmetic to reinforce his values, Democratic values. The math is the Ryan/Romney intention to cut Medicaid by a third, cuts that would hurt the most vulnerable among us. Those are the people that Clinton's values, Democrats' values insist we protect.

In highlighting Medicaid, Bill Clinton laid out the contrast between these two policy visions. This is one policy area that most shows the stark differences between Romney/Ryan and President Obama and their conflicting visions for the role of government in America.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 11:19 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  My brother is paraplegic (32+ / 0-)

    And relies on Medicaid to pay for medication and doctors. As we said to each other last night, a hyperbole, a Republican victory would essentially mean his death.

    "Well, the problem here is that you're out of candy. You're gonna need more candy." Rachel Maddow on the Big Bailout

    by cishart on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 11:23:06 AM PDT

  •  the nursing home/disabled (33+ / 0-)

    spending of Medicaid is the majority, and for some reason, no one seems to remember that.   And lots of people have a grandparent or parent in the nursing home, etc.

    People so thoroughly buy the Republican lies about wasteful spending and fraud on other people (poor people of color) that they forget the great American expectation that the government will keep granny in the nursing home.

    •  I agree with Deval Patrick that the Democrats (29+ / 0-)

      need to develope A BACKBONE!! I salute President Clinton for laying it out clearly on the table that Medcaid will virtually disappear if Romney gets elected. I was also glad to hear him connect the cutoff in Medicaid to the survival of the invalid population in nursing homes across the nation. President Clinton is the first top level Democrat that had the guts to speak truth to power about the Medicaid issue.

      If we could flip the two parties and the Republicans were actively defending Medicaid I can imagine Chuck Grassley saying something like "They are going to kill Medicaid and put grandma out of her bed into the street when the nursing homes shut down!" The Republicans would all be singing this same song through the entire election.

      However, let's flip back to reality and the Democrats have the Medicaid issue to defend, and guess what there is not a PEEP out of the entire Democratic party about Grandma and grandpa being thrown out ino the street when Medicaid payments to the states are stopped by a Romney administration.So I agree with Governor Patrick, it is time for the Democratic Party to grow a BACKBONE and tell it like it is and how people are going to be hurt badly and even die because of the Republican's fanatic goal to reward their rich patrons with the biggest share of the American money pie.

      Last word. I know from personal experience that the majority of nursing homes in the US are hanging on by a string. The Medicaid funds flowing in from the state governments has been reduced to the barest trickle of funds, and then are ofter 6 to 8 months late even with partial payments.Many nursing homes are clpsely watching the election and if the Republicans take the Congress and the White House I am sure that they will immediately start making plans to close their doors and go out of business.

  •  Jerkwad... (5+ / 0-)

    totally lifted my material.

    I guess I'll forgive him.  This time.

  •  Nowhere Near the Focus It Needs. (16+ / 0-)

    Nursing care "for folks eligible for Medicare."

    Most people think that's people who've always been poor.

    What needs to be said is that for millions of middle class people, nursing and health care will bankrupt them, and then either they must go home to their families or Medicaid is what steps in to keep them in care.

    But after passing health reform we can't say that, so we have to maintain the soft focus, leaving the program extremely vulnerable.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 11:46:33 AM PDT

    •  Absolutely. We had this discussion in our family (5+ / 0-)

      regarding my husband's parents. Fortunately, for right now, it's a what-if question, but our conclusion was that it wouldn't take long before they'd need medicaid if they had to enter a nursing home. Those places are expensive, and there aren't a lot of people who have enough savings to cover any kind of lengthy stay.

    •  The "Spend Down Shuffle" (6+ / 0-)

      No one wants to admit that most of us WILL face it. Truth be told, unless you have $2 million socked away "free and clear" when you either voluntarily retire or the other, more common retirement - you just cannot work anymore, you are likely going to outlive your savings, and you will have to become a dual-eligible: qualified for Medicare because of age and for Medicaid because you're below the personal assets threshold.

      And because most of us approaching retirement have insufficient personal retirement savings, we need to understand that the qualify of our post-retirement lives is very dependent on the strength of Social Security, Medicare AND Medicaid. And remember that it will only get worse for our children and grandchildren if we don't fix it NOW.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:09:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  comment on Clinton's speech from HuffPo (17+ / 0-)
    He went after Republicans not simply for abandoning the middle class but for traducing the poor. Perhaps the most telling point in his speech was his explanation that Republicans would reduce Medicaid by one-third -- hurting poor kids, seniors in need of nursing homes and the disabled. The middle class had a stake in the prospects of the poor. Here he was teaching Democrats how to argue this case.

    He took the Romney/Ryan mendacities -- Obama made things worse, is cutting Medicare and gutting welfare reform -- and forged them into a club to pummel them with.

  •  Triple threat (12+ / 0-)

    And consider the impact of cutting Social Security AND Medicare AND Medicaid on the elderly and disabled.

    •  There is so much to this statement. (6+ / 0-)

      I can tell you by experience that there is a large population of people dependent on these programs for care. Ahlzeimers patients that families do not have the money to pay for their very expensive care is one. Families with children and even adults with severe conditions like Autism, Cerebral Palsy, Down Syndrome and many others that require more "institutional" care. My husband works for a company that provides care for these types of needs in group homes. Their care is covered by Medicaid. Imagine what will happen when there is no place for these people to go once the funds for them dry up not to mention my husband's job.

  •  middleclass b4 the spend down (8+ / 0-)

    of just a few months in nursing home until medicaid qualified.. yup

    fact does not require fiction for balance (proudly a DFH)

    by mollyd on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:05:52 PM PDT

  •  I literally shouted "AMEN!" when I heard this. (28+ / 0-)

    I've been waiting for someone to bring this to light...There is no way Ryan would allow something for poor people to go uncut. Anything that helps the poor survive has is up for sacrifice regardless of the consequences.

    I have a daughter with profound cerebral palsy, she's on Medicaid, as are 1000's of other Texans. When then the Texas legislature was in session one of the things the GOP lawmakers were focused on was how to get Medicaid changed over to block funding--That would allow the state to have complete control over the money with little federal guidance. Texas disability advocates have been terrified of a winning GOP presidential ticket making this possible.

    Texas is already under DOJ supervision because of a number of horrible incidents that endangered or in one case killed residents of a state run facility. Imagine what the powers that be will do with monies set aside for the disabled without solid accountability measures.

     A promise to repeal the ACA and now, a cut in Medicaid funding? What happens to my daughter? Her medications are outrageous, she needs a lot of medical care for her seizure disorder. She's hard of hearing and she has a g-button--which means she doesn't eat regular food like everyone else so her nutritional needs are very important.

    There are so many children on SSI and Medicaid. Ryan's plan will cut them off without a whim and they will be left without medical care. A good number of these kids are fragile in terms of their health, they require treatments that are expensive but absolutely necessary to keep them alive, let alone provide for some kind of quality of life.

    This is a death sentence. That is not hyperbole in the least. The Ryan plan ties back into the notion of families being solely responsible for their children's special needs--If Romney wins and health care is repealed, families like mine are in deep trouble. Everything the pioneers of the disability movement have worked for will be taken away---That can't be allowed to happen.

    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors - Plato 427-347BC

    by left over flower child on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:30:06 PM PDT

  •  Andrew Sullivan at the Dish (2+ / 0-)
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    (who is supporting Obama) cites a fact checker who claims that Clinton's math was off.  The fact checker says:

       Kaiser Family Foundation looked at this issue in an April 2012 brief. It found that, "Although these ‘dual eligibles’ accounted for only 15 percent of Medicaid enrollment in 2008, 39 percent of all Medicaid expenditures for medical services were made on their behalf."

        Here’s where his number probably comes from: Later in the Kaiser brief, it notes that of all the Medicaid dollars spent on dual eligibles, 69 percent were for long term care services. But there’s a big difference between 69 percent of 39 percent of Medicaid spending – and two-thirds of all Medicaid dollars.

    I have no idea what Clinton based his numbers on, or if this critique is correct. Even if the lower numbers are correct, it's still creates a huge impact on current seniors.

    And let's not just shrug off the impact on non-elderly poor people, particularly poor children.  

    •  If Clinton was off, (2+ / 0-)
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      it wasn't by much in the grand scheme of things.  The effect is what's really important.

      You can't keep a mighty tree alive (much less expect it to thrive) by only spritzing the fine leaves at its tippy-top. The fate of the whole tree depends on nurturing the grassroots. - Jim Hightower

      by PSzymeczek on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:12:32 PM PDT

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    •  Note that the Kaiser figures are from 2008 (3+ / 0-)

      Does anyone believe that the number and percentage of "dual eligibles" has gone down in the last 4 years?

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:22:13 PM PDT

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    •  Millions of disabled people are dual eligibles as (0+ / 0-)

      well. If you worked, became severely disabled and qualified for Social Security Disability Insurance, you also qualify for Medicare. If you have limited resources, or are eligible under programs available in some states, you can also have Medicaid as your secondary insurance--you are a dual eligible.

      I am not sure about severely disabled children and adults who were never able to work. My guess--their coverage would be solely via Medicaid, which is why Clinton's numbers were higher. IIRC, he was including all disabled people.

      It's nice that someone mentions us. Although I notice that this FP diary has fewer comments than any I've seen in awhile.

      Thanks, Bill.

      Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

      by earicicle on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 02:56:48 PM PDT

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  •  OTOH, some Medicaid goes to poor families... (6+ / 0-)

    who were not middle-class,  do not have  severe disabilities, and have been poor for a long time.

    That is the least a great country can do, and no Democrat should get defensive about it.

    It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

    by sayitaintso on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:38:36 PM PDT

  •  It's personal for me (12+ / 0-)

    My 90-year-old mother entered a nursing home a few months ago. At the approximately $6,000-$7,000 a month cost of her care, her savings will be depleted sometime early in 2013. My siblings and I do not have the ability to pick up that slack, nor do we have the ability to take her back into our homes and provide her with the 24-hour care she needs. Medicaid will be absolutely essential for her to continue receiving care.

  •  "Blunt Trauma" (2+ / 0-)
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    bumperstickers in Missouri after Matt Blunt (son of Roy) became Governor after beating Claire McCaskill in 2004 and cut medicaid in Missouri.

    NPR's Debating Medicaid and Morality in Missouri

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:42:33 PM PDT

  •  I agree, but I am not sure Obama agrees: (3+ / 0-)
    Top campaign aides to President Obama said that in his speech on Thursday night, the president will discuss deficit reduction and entitlement reform.

    Stephanie Cutter, appearing on CNN’s Starting Point on Thursday, said, “I think you will hear the president lay out his plan of balanced deficit reduction where everybody pays their fair share and we cut what we don't need and that includes entitlement reform.”

    True enough, he may not cut Medicaid, but he's got some entitlement cuts in mind.

    I wish this were not the case, but these references have been recurring every other day or so.

    Hey, Republicans, the whole world is watching.

    by TAH from SLC on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:42:50 PM PDT

    •  Why is everyone assuming the worst on this? (4+ / 0-)

      Why can't his changes be ways to cut fraud or waste? Why do we all assume he's going to hurt folks? And, remember, no matter what "grand bargain" he makes you can be sure as hell the Repukes in Congress won't go for it. He'll have them on record, again, opposing an attempt to lower the deficit. It can be used as a weapon against them to get Democrats in to the House. Then we can do the right thing -- raise taxes on Romney and his buddies. That's the only solution we need but it'll be impossible with a Republican House.

      If we got Mitt to be slightly less dishonest and gave him some personality he could pass as a used car salesman.

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:48:45 PM PDT

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      •  Perhaps because the Obama camp keeps (2+ / 0-)

        saying it.  Perhaps because Clinton drastically cut AFDC.  It would be foolish to ignore the clear and present danger.  And I think it is a huge mistake on the part of the Obama team, now and over the last several years, just as it was a huge mistake for Clinton.

        Hey, Republicans, the whole world is watching.

        by TAH from SLC on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:18:03 PM PDT

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        •  By all means, Obama is a 'clear & present danger!' (0+ / 0-)

          We are MUCH safer with RomneyRyan! Especially those of us whose lives--quite literally--depend on Medicare, Medicaid and the protections of the Affordable Care Act.

          This disabled breast cancer survivor appreciates your balanced perspective with just 60 days to go before the election. Way to get fired up & ready to go!!!

          Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

          by earicicle on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:02:33 PM PDT

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  •  He actually... (4+ / 0-)

    Had tears in his eyes when he talked about this.  Like, "I can't believe we live in a society where half the people believe 'throw granny out to the curb' is good policy."

    “An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.” - Plutarch

    by RichM on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:43:38 PM PDT

  •  The Republican War on Seniors is by ending (4+ / 0-)

    Medicare and Medicaid going to shutdown the Growing Nursing Home industry and end employment for all the 100,000's of people who work for those soon-to-be Bankrupted Companies and that includes high paying jobs such a RN's,LPN's and Doctors plus The Hospital Industry is going to take a hit bigtime.

  •  OT: Putin comments on Romney - and it's not pretty (4+ / 0-)

    “We’ll work with whichever president is elected by the American people. But our effort will be only as efficient as our partners will want it to be,” Putin said.
    Romney's "No. 1 geopolitical foe" comment didn't make a good first impression, and his hawkishness on the missile defense system isn't helping matters, either.

    Another good reason to look forward to the foreign policy debate.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. I'm riding for MS in September. Please donate here if you can.

    by darthstar on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:43:43 PM PDT

  •  I was the lawyer (14+ / 0-)

    and had power of attorney for a gorgeous woman who would have been 100 this past March.  She worked as an LPN until she was 72.  She thought her savings would get her through retirement.  

    One month in assisted living was $8,000.  I didn't tell her that her savings were spent in a little over a year.  Title 19 saw her through the last 3 years of her life when she faded like a flower at 92.  Not one thing changed in her care when she switched from paying herself to Title 19.

    Last line before the Republicans throw the elderly into the streets.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:45:22 PM PDT

  •  This thing should cut through the political muck (8+ / 0-)

    But I have had a strange experience explaining the direct implications of these policies.

    I have a close friend who I have tried to work on. The two of us have mutual friends who have just endured the difficulty of having two pre-mature children. Those children were born at like 24 weeks, and required extensive care. The children are now around six months, and have finally come home from the hospitals. They spent more than five months in various parts of the hospital. They also saw numerous specialists for different surgeries and continue to see eye specialists.

    Through it all, these girls have survived and appear ready to lead semi-normal lives (from a health standpoint). Our mutual friends are lucky to have Medicaid. Premature children, when born under a certain weight, are considered disabled. They receive Medicaid support. This has been the saving grace for my friends, who would have otherwise now paid more than $750,000 in medical costs.

    The father is a music minister in a local church. His wife is a local school teacher. They own a home and not much else. Their families are upper-middle class, but they do not have a million dollar benefactor waiting to help. If Medicaid was gone, they would rely on their insurance. If Obamacare were repealed, those children would likely run into the problem of lifetime caps. Given the amount of care they have already racked up and the amount they will need going forward, there is a good chance these children will blow through their lifetime cap before they reach 18 years old.

    What will my friends do? Go bankrupt? It is a distinct possibility.

    In speaking with my close friend (the one from the opening sentence), I tried to explain this. A formerly staunch Republican, she now claims she is not voting in this election. Still, this very personal and very real scenario does not cut through the religious line of reasoning that often drives her vote. Today, she asked me, "Is it true that the Democrats booed 'God' at their convention?"

    The Republicans have played a mentally abusive game with religious voters. While their policies would risk the lives of these little girls and potentially put a very good man (the father) in financial ruin, they wave the flag and carry a cross, shouting God at octaves high enough to mask the distinctly un-Christlike policies they tout.

    Show me what you do, and I will tell you what you believe in.

    •  Why is she not voting? Because she can't bring (1+ / 0-)
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      herself to vote for her own interests, or has she been so brainwashed by the baby-killer attacks on Dems because they are pro-choice?

      And you're right, the Repugs have made the social issues a game. Their  actions certainly haven't painted them as good christians, have they?

      •  Comination of factors, I'm sure (3+ / 0-)

        We are from the deep South (SC), where a number of sociological factors sway voting patterns. I would imagine there are subconscious elements of race in play. I know that in these areas, Democrats are seen as "Godless." The marketing campaign has been very effective - so much so that even otherwise intelligent people do not ask questions.

  •  Storms Are Firing Up Nicely In NC (2+ / 0-)
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    It was very hot and humid this morning, surprised the rain held off this long.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:54:24 PM PDT

  •  Romney proposes leveraged buyout of America (1+ / 0-)
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    Apparently the only thing Romney really has in his repertoire of thoughts is the idea of applying the Bain treatment to the US economy.

    He will load up the US with debt, then pull the money from that into the pockets of the upper 1%.

    When asked what his specfics are he says, in Clinton's wonderful paraphrasal, "see me after the election."

    Actually once the middle class has been bled dry, and all the money in the world is literally sucked up into Wall Street, you can turn out the lights.  

    He doesn't have a plan.  He probably thinks God will hand him the golden plates for that.  

    How come there are people who can't see through that guy?

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 12:57:33 PM PDT

  •  What does Simpson Bowles do to Medicaid? nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  OMG, Front Pagers! (3+ / 0-)

    THIS is what a Democratic blog is supposed to look like!  Stories about Democrats and what they're doing and saying!  NOT story after story after story about Romney and what an idjit he is, and how mean the Republicans are!  I swear, it's been so hard to get up any enthusiasm for any politics at all, in part because you guys have been feeding us rage for months on end! Today the front page has given me some hope, and some enthusiasm. GREAT JOB today!

  •  I'm glad he brought up Medicaid, no one else did (1+ / 0-)
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    and I wondered when or if someone would.
    Thanks for doing a diary, I'm reminded to look again at what Lyin' Ryan and Rmoney's plans are for it.

  •  THIS happened! (12+ / 0-)

    Okay my big news was that I spoke to my 79 year old father today, a man who has never voted for a Democrat, a man who I have argued far too much with these last 8 years about politics.  This year, aside from a comment I made during the summer about choice, I decided this is not a vote I will ever get.  Besides living in the alternate universe, he is constantly besieged by emails from right wing friends and family.  I love the man dearly, but he reminds me of Clint Eastwood at times, which made that particular speech more sad than funny to me.  So, given my time with him is limited more than I wish it to be, I decided I was not going to add to family division, as I think I did when working on the Obama campaign in 2008.   There are some battles no longer worth fighting. When politics does arise, we have both learned to change the subject.

    Which brings me to today, when I called them to thank them for a gift they had sent. My dad picked up the phone and started asking about the kids and their first week of school.  Then said 'hey, I was wondering if you have been watching these conventions'. I said 'you know I am, and how I feel about these things.' He said 'well I didn't like that convention last week and Clint Eastwood was off his rocker!'. I laughed and said I agree.  Then he said there have been a lot if good points this week, he didn't like the Ryan Medicare thing, and he was sick of religious zealots and their wanting to limit choice.  He then said 'I'm just not sure what to think anymore' in a really quiet tone.  End of conversation.  Seriously, if the Republicans lose my dad, this is worth more to me than 1000 Nate Silver analyses.  We'll see what happens...

  •  Question for Grown Children of Seniors (3+ / 0-)

    "what Room are you going to keep Mom&Dad in as YOU take care of 'em till they Pass-away?.An this isn't a joke I'm old enough to remember this being done because there wasn't any place else for them to go because even though there was a few places like Nursing Homes they cost to much and they were Hell-Holes(far worse than than even the worst Nursing Homes now-a-days in the modern System) an even those who could afford them didn't want to put their Moms and/or Dads in them so they kept them home and "broke themselves down" Physically and Financially taking care of them till they died.

  •  Whopee!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Now we have a headline or lines to match the Republicans.

    Republicans vote to throw Granny out on the Street.

    Republicans vote to make dad move in with son and family.

    Either one works great.  The first for seniors, the second for those of us who have aging parents who would be eligible for medicaid for nusring home care and would be obligated to take our parents in, even though they don't remember us and are combative because of Alzheimers.


  •  a comment on Clinton's speech and what it did (3+ / 0-)

    to Willard and his side-kick Ryan:

    [H]e gave the sort of speech that Ryanmaniacs might have once imagined that Ryan would deliver and the sort that some Romney supporters still imagine Romney is capable of giving. Romney-Ryan was supposed to be the presidential ticket of the "data-driven" manager and his budget wonk sidekick, and between the absence of any significant policy discussion last week and what happened tonight that has lost all credibility.
    •  Amen. (2+ / 0-)
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      Wonky, data-driven policy stuff needs a stepping stone, and that stepping stone is what I would call a "moral underpinning."  It's a "what's the right thing to do" question before you start debating "how to do it."

      The Republicans lack any moral underpinning for their policy proposals.  As the saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

      Clinton did the dazzling last night.

      The most violent element in society is ignorance.

      by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:47:53 PM PDT

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  •  parents losing (3+ / 0-)

    My parents are already losing their life savings even with the help they are getting from Medicare/Medicaid.  Clinton is right.  I have no idea what we are going to do if more cutbacks happen.

  •  Bill Clinton speaks here in Seattle Sept 15 (4+ / 0-)

    Got $150 to lunch with Bill Clinton? I don't, but there's always a way. He's here to support Jay Inslee's campaign for Washington Governor, Seattle Convention Center, Sept. 15, 12:30 PM registration begins.

    What a worthy cause to defeat the Republican who sued & lost over Obamacare. Fool. He's our Attorney General who went against advice from our Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire to join the idiotic lawsuit. The Republican running against Jay now supports Obamacare retroactively. Magic! Even Washington Republicans are creepy.

    “My first choice is a strong consumer agency,” she said. “My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.”

    by mrobinson on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:04:07 PM PDT

  •  Selling Long Term Care policies (3+ / 0-)

    Right now, even AARP which "endorses" long term care insurance products pretty much declares that these are high cost, high risk policies of value only to people with large estates to protect and families unable/unwilling to provide home care.

    However, without the Medicaid backstop these exception-ridden, actuarially overpriced products don't exactly begin to look "good" ... but they do look to be "necessary" for anyone with the ability to pay.

    Where our current system TENDS to transfer wealth from families (heirs) to (small business) health housing corporations, the R-money plan would tend to transfer the same wealth from families to large business insurance companies ... except that people who never actually use long term care services will pre-pay for it -- and the longer and healthier they live, the more and higher premiums they will pay\

    In case anyone is wondering "WHY?" Team Ryan wants what they want ...  how's THAT for motive ?

    The current system is no picknick when "rehab/skilled nursing" care becomes "custodial" care.  Basically, once that determination is made, the patient must spend down their assets until true poverty is achieved, at which point it is Medicaid which allows what is mostly a for-profit nursing home industry to continue to provide care.

  •  Medicare and Medicaid (2+ / 0-)
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    Third World countries provide better care than this.  Our health care is lacking affordability and is not available to far too many.  Our schools are far behind those in Europe and other countries.  Our infrastructure is far behind other countries, and the list goes on.  The GOP is killing the American Dream.  If the Republican voters want the US to be at or near the bottom, they need to pay attention.

  •  Here's the ARgument for Right Wingers (2+ / 0-)
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    If you don't continue funding Medicaid, you risk that children who have failing parents will pull the plug early on treatments and the such because they don't want the parent to end up in the home with them.  This or course (in the wingers' minds) would be murder.  So, by cutting Medicaid, Rmoney and Ryan are essentially causing murder to happen.

    Talk about "death panels."

  •  I'm not sure that "sic" is warranted: (3+ / 0-)
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    But that's not all. A lot of folks don't know it, but nearly two-thirds of Medicaid is spent on nursing home care for Medicare seniors who are eligible for Medicaid.

    It's going to end Medicare [sic, Medicaid] as we know it.

    I took this to mean that if Medicaid is cut, then Medicaid-eligible seniors will have to rely on Medicare for services which Medicaid currently provides. And that would mean that Medicare would be in deficit even faster, requiring even those currently over 55 (indeed, even those currently over 65!) to not have Medicare funding.

    If the way I understood this is true, then Bill pointed out something all other critics of the Ryan voucher plan have missed -- those over 65 are NOT safe from Vouchercare!

    A PALINDROME: Slip-up set in Utah. Trail, no? M. Romney -- odd! Elder an AMC man, a Red-led doyen. Mormon liar that unites pupils?

    by Obama Amabo on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 02:08:53 PM PDT

    •  No: Medicare [sic, Medicaid] (2+ / 0-)
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      He said Medicare, and he meant Medicare.   Ending Medicaid will destroy Medicare in the broad sense, because it relies on Medicaid for nursing home and long term care services.

      The error correction is an error.

    •  Medicare does NOT provide nursing home services. (1+ / 0-)
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      Or home care services, or many other things. I think you are right...I think Bill did mean to say Medicare. Because secondary Medicaid insurance for elderly and disabled Medicare recipients acts as a HUGE backstop for the major things that Medicare does not cover (and cannot afford to cover in it current incarnation). Such as residency in a nursing home.

      Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

      by earicicle on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:14:15 PM PDT

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      •  You're missing his point (1+ / 0-)
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        He was talking about how the things you think of as "Medicare" are actually supported by Medicaid.   I thought this was perfectly clear when he said it.  Listen to the context of the discussion.

        •  Umm...That's exactly what I'm saying. (0+ / 0-)

          And, umm...I know exactly what each covers. Been disabled since my mid-20s, and a dual eligible for quite some time.

          I wish to God .01% of 'progressives' here knew at least .01% of how either of these programs actually works. Or really cared to find out. Knowledge helps. I can't tell you how often I have to correct simple errors here on Medicare/Medicaid. I'll bet you $10,000 that 90-95% (or more) Kossacks don't know that Medicare covers disabled adults who receive SSDI.

          And I listened intently to every fucking word. For me and for millions of others, our lives--in a LITERAL sense--depend on POTUS' reelection and the resounding defeat of the RomneyRyan agenda.

          But thanks for the patronizing tone!

          Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

          by earicicle on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 04:05:02 PM PDT

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          •  Oops (1+ / 0-)
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            I see that we're all agreeing.  I somehow read what you said backwards, and wrong.  We agree.  

            But the patronizing tone is all in your head.  It is not patronizing to disagree.  

            However, I was wrong about what you said.

  •  about friggin time, thanks BILL. (0+ / 0-)
  •  this was the my Hi point of the speech. (0+ / 0-)

    When we were dissecting the speech today (Hi/Lo points) I was the only one that highlighted this point. I feel very strongly about protecting Medicaid, more than Medicare, because of the little kids and the families of disabled kids that use the program. The Medicaid program in my state is already woefully underfunded and to take another third out of it, too many, too many people would see a decent quality of life be taken away and thrown into state institutions instead of staying with families. Little kids would DIE because they didn't have any access to healthcare. Like the President, I wouldn't know how to live with myself knowing that was happening.

    smacksmacksmack If I'm talking I'm lying smacksmacksmack ~ Willard M. Romney

    by yawnimawke on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 03:19:56 PM PDT

  •  Think it won't impact your life? Think again. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm lucky enough to live in a neighborhood with two hospitals within walking distance. I can't honestly say how many of their receipts are Medicaid, but I'd guess a fairly significant number--probably enough that they wouldn't be able to stay open if it weren't for Medicaid.
    No Medicaid, no hospitals within walking distance.
    Yes, we're all in this together.

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