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Mitt Romney's lack of willingness to make even the easiest, "no cost" expressions of concern about global warming, and rising sea levels is pathetic and sad. Don Lieber writes an encouraging story entitled While Romney Mocks Sea-Level Rise, City Planners across the Country Take Action. Here's just a taste.

At the Republican national convention last week, Mitt Romney mocked efforts to address climate change, specifically deriding President Obama for seeking to address rising ocean levels.  Here’s what he said:
“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans…(pause to allow for laughter) and to heal the planet.  My promise … is to help you and your family.”
Romney sought to draw an emotive distinction between ‘healing the planet’ and ‘helping families’. ...
Urban planners across the United States are incorporating rising sea levels in planning and construction of infrastructure, public works, social services and building construction. ... Mr. Romney, in his 10-second convention-speech soundbite, dismissed ‘the rising oceans’ as unimportant — even silly. Contrast that with the official website of the City of Boston, which states: “The climate will continue to change…. some changes, such as sea-level rise… pose major risks to Boston, its infrastructure, its tax base, and its residents.  For these reasons, Boston has a responsibility to prepare for climate change, even as we work to lessen its impacts.
Lieber recounts how Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital in Charlestown, Massachusetts was built 12 feet higher than originally planned to take rising sea levels over the next century into account and electrical systems were placed on the roof instead of the basement.  

More below the squiggle on how professional city planners are making efforts to empower future generations with better odds for dealing with the upcoming overwhelming environmental challenges.

Please follow the link to learn about sea level related efforts of the New York City Council, City Council of Portland Maine, Maryland Department of National Resources, and California Land Commission, all originally researched, by the National Resource Defense Council.

My first reaction was to make fun of what an idiot Romney is, and ask myself "what did I expect" from such a pandering weasel. After all, he's changed his "positions" of nearly every other issue, and seems to be trying to set a record for how low can he go in regressive limbo. But, as I think about it more, very few of us are taking the challenges of global change and converting to sustainable forms of energy use seriously enough.

How discouraging it must be for people of Micronesia and Bangladesh to watch our elections with knowledge that their homelands will be uninhabitable within their lifetimes due to a combination of sea level rise, and increase in climate variability. And, when the majority of the other countries of the world take two decades of effort to finally agree to ratify a major global treaty to take our first global counter-actions and the United States of America led efforts to undermine the treaties. I wonder if the rest of the world thinks we are a whole country of Mitt Romneys where our debate ranges the "full gamet" of doing nothing at all, or making vague non-specific expressions to hope.  But, then the later are derisively ridiculed as being "extremist."

But, this is a Friday night, and I'm still recovering from escaping the ER with diverticulitis, where they also found nodules on my lungs and adrenal glands that will require PET scanning, and who knows what after that. So, I don't wish to write any long essays, but just briefly share this encouraging short article on our nation's city planners who are taking our future seriously.

Originally posted to HoundDog on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 07:57 PM PDT.

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  •  it's happening here, too, in so. cal. (25+ / 0-)

    Here's an article from the very conservative OC Register on the discussion/plans for richy-rich Newport Beach. The California Coastal Commission is also on it.

    I should add that seas have risen seven inches already.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:14:36 PM PDT

    •  sea level rise (9+ / 0-)

      I don't think they've risen 7 inches yet.  I thought it was just millimeters so far.  ( the rate of rise will increase though ).

      Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

      by yet another liberal on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:22:01 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the link. (6+ / 0-)

      I'm trying to quantify changes in the environment so far and I'm actually taking notes.  I suppose in a way, I view being very specific about climate changes as being a way to counter climate denialism.

      Ignorance more frequently begets confidence then knowledge. Charles Darwin

      by martianexpatriate on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 06:02:57 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for you efforts martian. Even small efforts (8+ / 0-)

        now by committed people like yourselves can make astonishing ly enormous differences in the lives of future generations.

        You will contribute to the realization of how shallow and wrong Mitt is to contrast "healing the planet," and "healing families."  The two are linked,  Without healing the planet we will have many fewer, if any, healing families in the future.  So healing the planet can be thought of as one of the core ways to heal families, and a prerequisite.

        But, sadly, there would be no point in trying to convey this insight to Mitt Romney, because it would make not difference.  It's becoming increasingly clear that he actually cares about neither.

        His unfitness for the office of the POTUS is multidimensional. Despite his many degrees, he does not have the mind to really get such insights, either on his own, or even after it is patiently explained.  And, for some things its like, if you have to ask, you aren't going to really get it.

        But, worse, even to the extent he gets it, as it doesn't really require that many neurons, he doesn't care.  He doesn't care about families, future generations, the planet, or anything but his unbridled personal ambition.  

        He wants to be President to fulfill a lifetime quest to surpass his father in the game of "whoever dies with the most toys wins."  

        And, now the triple worst (did I lose count?) part of it, is this gives us a clue about the degree of his private faith. How could anyone imbued with real spirituality, a connection to God, or even an appreciation of God, or spiritualism (and, in the way I use it here, I include atheists, and both spiritual, or non-spiritual humanists) not care enough about the well being of future beings, families, children, animals, and all life on planet earth, enough to make no cost expressions of concern for their (our) well being?  

        It's not like anyone is asking him to endorse cap and trade, or to cut back on energy use, or consumption of meat by 1% or donate $1 dollar to the National Resource Defense Council, or something.  

        Usually, when people have used the remote sociopath diagnostic criteria on Romney I figure we're sort of stretching a little to score political points, or have liberal fun, on a late Friday, (beats the heck out of bowling after you get old, and get arthritis in your thumb joints! lol), but, evidence like this make me wonder if Romney is missing certain crucial elements of our mammalian nervous system that give most people sufficient empathy to at least support the expressions of not cost sloguns, about the well being of future generations to mildly assuage our guilt.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:06:43 AM PDT

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  •  yes, at least our mayor here in NYC 'believes' (14+ / 0-)

    in science

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:18:58 PM PDT

  •  Iteresting that Republicans were laughing at (21+ / 0-)

    sea level rise in a building just a few feet above sea level.  If the worst happens, the people in those rows right in front of the podium would need swim fins and a wet suit to really enjoy the speeches.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:22:19 PM PDT

    •  When we have to spend trillions on sea walls (7+ / 0-)

      To save our big coastal cities, I want the bill sent to anyone who voted Republican after, say, 2000. I know, bills of attainder are prohibited in the Constitution, but it would be the fair thing to do.

      Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

      by tcorse on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 09:16:02 AM PDT

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      •  I agree with your sentiment but its easier to (6+ / 0-)

        return estate taxes to Clinton era levels.  And, this will raise more money anyway.  It will give us more than enough to have a few billion to restore funding to the National Foundation for the Arts, National Foundation for the Humanities, The National Science Foundation, PBS, NPR, Amtrak, and HeadStart.

        (Just joining you in a little late night progressive fun (scorse).

        It's sort of weird when biting  and bitter liberal sarcastic remarks are indistinguishable from wonky, policy footnotes, in Federal Budget and Social Policy Quarterly.


        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:12:33 AM PDT

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      •  Nah, back to 1980 would be better... ;o) n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

        by unclebucky on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 06:29:06 PM PDT

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  •  Did North Carolina pass its King Canute law? (18+ / 0-)

    North Carolina's Tea Partisans submitted a bill demanding that the state and local planning agencies should not draw up contingency plans for what if the sea levels do rise. I haven't heard if that bill passed.

    What are they thinking? That the profits of Big Oil are more important than protecting NC property when sea levels do start to rise?

    Just how stupid does Mitt Romney think we are? -Paul Krugman

    by Judge Moonbox on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:35:57 PM PDT

    •  What is that, the 'clap-your-hands and say you (11+ / 0-)

      believe in fairies' response to sea level rise?

      No, wait, it's the 'if I close my eyes the monsters under the bed can't see me' response.

      © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

      by cai on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 09:11:16 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, they passed it... (24+ / 0-)

      and Governor Perdue, rather than veto it, allowed it to become law without signature.

      Here's a description of one of the stupidest pieces of legislation since the 1897 attempt by the Indiana legislature to establish the value of pi as 3.2:

      Lawmakers passed a bill that restricts local planning agencies’ abilities to use climate change science to predict sea-level rise in 20 coastal counties. The bill’s supporters said that relying on climate change forecasts would stifle economic development and depress property values in Eastern North Carolina.

      The bill has sparked outrage in some circles. It was ridiculed this month on the television show “The Colbert Report.” Despite the controversy, it has repeatedly cleared every hurdle in the GOP-led legislature. In the Senate Tuesday, the only comments were a few brief remarks in favor of the measure as a victory of common sense over alarmist research.

      The practical result of the legislation would be that for the purposes of coastal development, local governments could only assume that the sea level will rise 8 inches by 2100, as opposed to the 39 inches predicted by a science panel.

      In other words, our cities aren't allowed to utilize legitimate scientific sea-level factors in planning, even if they wanted to.

      And notice the last sentence of the first paragraph. This bill was less about the profits of Big Oil and more about the profits of Big Development. North Carolina's legislature has long been dominated by development and land-speculation interests, and the takeover of both houses in 2010 by Teabag Republicans simply exacerbated that writhing serpents' nest of corruption.

      The bottom line here is that developers and land speculators - many of them themselves legislators - will be allowed to build unconstrained on the North Carolina coast, never mind the truth of that pesky, confusin' science stuff. Why care? They'll pocket the profits now...and if when it all washes away in 20 years, the profits will still be safe in the Swiss bank accounts of these crooks, while current taxpayers will be forced to - literally - bail out the unfortunate property owners.

      Isn't that the Republican way anyway? "Privatize the profit, socialize the risk"?

      It must be pointed out that the current legislative majority doesn't consist simply of Teabaggers, it consists of stupid, stupid Teabaggers. I mean, knuckle-dragging, special-ed-wouldn't-have-helped stupid. Being Teabaggers, of course, they're also corrupt.

      Corrupt and stupid: North Carolina's future.

      We are facing almost a certain gubernatorial victory by Americans for Prosperity Poster Boy Pat McCrory, who will add the magic rubber stamp to what promises to be a far worse legislative session starting next year. For the past session, the only thing that protected our state from complete ruin was Governor Beverley Perdue's veto stamp. It will be replaced by McCrory's Teabag rubber stamp of approval for the worst, most regressive agenda in any state's history. There are dark, dark days ahead for North Carolina, days that will make the recent Wisconsin legislative and gubernatorial excesses look like the Age of Enlightenment.

      Please extend condolances to us here in North Carolina, fellow Kossacks. We'll need 'em!

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 04:59:03 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks Blue you could make you great comment (6+ / 0-)

        here into several substantive posts.   A whole series really.

        Keep on truckin'

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:13:42 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks, Dawg! (4+ / 0-)

          Backatcha...and my very, very best wishes on your health concerns.

          I've always appreciated your contributions here!

          "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

          by blue in NC on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 11:41:02 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks. I gotta call the doc and accelerate the (7+ / 0-)

            scheduling of this PET Scan or I'm going to drive myself, and every one here crazy.  

            Now, I'm having to fight off urges to leave comments encouraging people to keep up the fight for future generations, even though some of us may not make it there.


            If I don't settle down, I'm going to enforce an intervention on myself, unplug my internet and play Civilization 5 games until the test results come back.  Otherwise, I'm likely to embarrass all of us. But, given how slow the medical system is for us Medicare patients, I could miss the whole election.

            Hey, maybe they will discover my tendency for self-centered, emotional narcissism is due to a nodule on some part of the "it's all about me" section of the brain.  And, after they remove it I could be almost like a normal person? Or, at least, pass well enough the quick skimmer type readers wouldn't notice.  There's always hope.  

            Thanks for your kind words, blue.  

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 12:51:30 PM PDT

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      •  If they can't base their decisions on science (2+ / 0-)
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        Is there anything that precludes them from basing decisions on cartoons and humor shows?

        Also, is there a date before which "historical" starts? For example, is data considered historical only after a certain number of years? Or can they look at the resent past? I would be all over finding a workaround.

        Can't use sea level rise (a vertical measure)? Ok, how about looking at changes in inland incursion of ocean waters (a horizontal measure)?

  •  Best wishes with the PET scans (37+ / 0-)

    I am very sorry to hear this.

    Sending big vibes...

    Thank you for a good diary!

    Join us at Bookflurries-Bookchat on Wednesday nights 8:00 PM EST

    by cfk on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 08:39:40 PM PDT

  •  Good to see. (7+ / 0-)

    Those cities would be good places to ask about divesting from fossil fuel companies, as well -- they're already acting on adaptation, so selling them on mitigation should be easier than starting from scratch.

    © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

    by cai on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 09:06:35 PM PDT

    •  I don't live in Newport. Huntington Beach and (14+ / 0-)

      Fountain Valley (which was an estuary before developed... geez), which is just south and inland of HB will be in REAL trouble.

      There's a great study encompassing just about every aspect of the rising ocean affect on CA's coastline.

      The report is here. [pdf]

      If you look at pages 2-4, you will see the key findings which are freaking scary. The costs alone to deal with affects on infrastructure are boggling not to mention private property.

      Here's the jist of the findings:

      1.1. Key Findings
      Over the past century, sea level has risen nearly eight inches along the California coast, and
      general circulation model scenarios suggest very substantial increases in sea level as a
      significant impact of climate change over the coming century. This study includes a detailed
      analysis of the current population, infrastructure, and property at risk from projected sea‐level
      rise if no actions are taken to protect the coast, and the cost of building structural measures to
      reduce that risk. We find the following:
      • Under medium to medium‐high greenhouse‐gas emissions scenarios, mean sea level
      along the California coast is projected to rise from 1.0 to 1.4 meters (m) by the year 2100.
      Maps for the entire coast of California demonstrating the extent of the areas at risk are
      posted at

      • A 1.4 meter sea‐level rise will put 480,000 people at risk of a 100‐year flood event, given
      today’s population. Populations in San Mateo and Orange Counties are especially
      vulnerable. In each, an estimated 110,000 people are at risk. Large numbers of residents
      (66,000) in Alameda County are also at risk.  
      • A demographic analysis identified large numbers of people at risk with heightened
      vulnerability, including low‐income households and communities of color. Additionally,
      adapting to sea‐level rise will require tremendous financial investment. Given the high
      cost and the likelihood that individuals, the State, and local agencies will not protect
      everything, adaptation raises additional environmental justice concerns.
      • A wide range of critical infrastructure, such as roads, hospitals, schools, emergency
      facilities, wastewater treatment plants, power plants, and more will also be at increased
      risk of inundation in a 100‐year flood event. This infrastructure at risk includes:

       These maps are not the result of detailed site studies and were created to quantify risk over a large geographic area.
      They should not be used to assess actual coastal hazards, insurance requirements or property values, and specifically
      shall not be used in lieu of Flood insurance Studies and Flood Insurance Rate Maps issued by the Federal
      Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Local governments or regional planning agencies should conduct
      detailed studies to better understand the potential impacts of sea-level rise in their communities.  3
      o nearly 140 schools;
      o 34 police and fire stations;
      o 55 healthcare facilities;
      o more than 330 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (U.S. EPA)‐regulated
      hazardous waste facilities or sites, with large numbers in Alameda, Santa Clara,
      San Mateo, and Los Angeles counties;
      o an estimated 3,500 miles of roads and highways and 280 miles of railways;  
      o 30 coastal power plants, with a combined capacity of more than 10,000
      o 28 wastewater treatment plants, 21 on the San Francisco Bay and 7 on the Pacific
      coast, with a combined capacity of 530 million gallons per day; and
      o the San Francisco and Oakland airports.
      • Vast areas of wetlands and other natural ecosystems are vulnerable to sea‐level rise. An
      estimated 550 square miles, or 350,000 acres, of wetlands exist along the California coast,
      but additional work is needed to evaluate the extent to which these wetlands would be
      destroyed, degraded, or modified over time. A sea‐level rise of 1.4 m would flood
      approximately 150 square miles of land immediately adjacent to current wetlands,
      potentially creating new wetland habitat if those lands are protected from further
      • We estimate that nearly $100 billion (in year 2000 dollars) worth of property, measured
      as the current replacement value of buildings and contents, is at risk of flooding from a
      100‐year event with a 1.4 m sea‐level rise if no adaptation actions are taken. An
      overwhelming two‐thirds of that property is concentrated on San Francisco Bay. The
      majority of this property is residential.  
      • Coastal armoring is one potential adaptation strategy. Approximately 1,100 miles of new
      or modified coastal protection structures are needed on the Pacific Coast and San
      Francisco Bay to protect against coastal flooding. The total cost of building new or
      upgrading existing structures is estimated at about $14 billion (in year 2000 dollars). We
      estimate that operating and maintaining the protection structures would cost
      approximately 10% of the initial capital investment, or around another $1.4 billion per
      year (in year 2000 dollars).
      • Large sections of the Pacific coast are not vulnerable to flooding, but are highly
      susceptible to erosion. We estimate that a 1.4 m sea‐level rise will accelerate erosion,
      resulting in a loss of 41 square miles of California’s coast by 2100. A total of 14,000
      people live in areas at risk of erosion. In addition, significant transportation‐related
      infrastructure and property are also at risk. Throughout most of the state, flood risk
      exceeds erosion risk, but in some counties, coastal erosion poses a greater risk.4
      • Continued development in vulnerable areas will put additional areas at risk and raise
      protection costs.  

      I won't be here to see this mess, but the poor folks behind us. And to think over half the nation still thinks it's a hoax.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 09:56:46 PM PDT

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      •  I've said before: I envy the old, and (8+ / 0-)

        pity the young.

        How messed up is it to be in a position where I'm wishing I was born decades before I was... even though that would mean living pre-Roe, and before women could get their own credit cards, and before a thousand other things.

        © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

        by cai on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:11:04 PM PDT

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      •  P.S. -- The federal flood insurance program needs (9+ / 0-)

        to stop issuing new policies to people at grave flood risk.  The unintended result of all that underwriting is to encourage developers to keep building homes where they shouldn't.

        © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

        by cai on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:17:59 PM PDT

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        •  Indeed. We have a developer in a flood zone (5+ / 0-)

          trying to get rezoned so he can build a motel in a flood zone.

          He's asked for a LOMR (Letter of Map Revision) from FEMA to give him approval to build this unwanted intrusion and pretend that he isn't really in a flood zone. And his impervious infrastructure will cause worse flooding for our neighborhoods.

          Anyone here who can make some recommendations as to how a neighborhood association can fight that LOMR and file objections with FEMA?

          Supposedly, the LOMR isn't issued until structural control improvements have been installed?

          The LOMRs are issued after a floodplain has been remapped due to a major flood event, after better mapping data becomes available, or after structural flood control improvements have been installed.
          Would he have to spend the necessary millions to install the underground drainage that he claims he is installing BEFORE he gets FEMA approval to change that flood map?   Or is that just wishful thinking?

          In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

          by bronte17 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 07:04:35 AM PDT

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          •  Isn't it tragic to see how much of our Federal (3+ / 0-)
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            money goes into subsidizers profiteers building vacations homes for the rich, on hurricane prone beaches, and floodplains , but Republicans are so concerned about excess federal spending that they want to cut head start funds and school lunches for poor children? And, health care for the elderly.

            And, how does Mitt Romney get off making this absurd joke mocking President Obama for expressing concern about future generations, while he is more concerned about "healing families" when his primary programs are putting Social Security and Medicare on vouchers, cutting Medicaid, Pell Grants, food stamps, head start for children.

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:21:15 AM PDT

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          •  I don't know the answer to that, but gee, it IS (3+ / 0-)
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            a wonderful question. I have to go cook for a community event, but let me see what I can dig up tonight when I return.

            Has your community group hired a land use attorney?  If not, I'd get right on that.  What state are you in?

            202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

            by cany on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 04:43:34 PM PDT

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            •  heh... I know the best land use attorney (3+ / 0-)
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              in the state... but sadly the neighborhood association voted not to hire an attorney. We would put up 1/10th of the money if 299 other people would help fund the rest of the share, but it doesn't look like that will happen.

              So, we are floundering around with a whole lot of smart folks and professionals having their say, but with little direction to channel any effectiveness.

              What I specifically need is information about the FEMA program and why in the hell a developer in a flood zone can apply and receive a LOMA without doing any work whatsoever to mitigate the flooding. And, the thing is, I'm pretty sure he may not even be able to mitigate the flooding because of the bedrock under his property and he sits right next to a large gas station with lots of underground flammable stuff in those tanks.

              And, his application for rezoning very clearly states that he intends to tie into an already over-burdened stormwater sewer system and the EPA has handed a ruling to the city to fix this or else our city gets fined very steeply.

              I want to know who to contact at FEMA and what to do in order to accomplish that contact... form letter or personal letters from neighborhood?  I'm thinking there might be a local FEMA important person who makes this decision. But, I could be wrong.

              In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

              by bronte17 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 06:24:03 PM PDT

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              •  Zoning, EPA, Toxics etc. aside, I think the (2+ / 0-)
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                process appears pretty straight forward (though they never seem to be, in reality!).

                Here is the link to the FEMA regional offices. What I would do is call and talk to someone about this and see what they can answer for you at first blush.

                First, I went here (this is a Michigan site, but no matter, the process should be the same) to get an idea of what FEMA requires.

                Have you seen this?

                This lays out the various types of changes, and the level of complexity, associated with each. Given what you typed, it would appear that a LOMA is too simple for what they intend, but perhaps I don't understand.

                From what i understand after reading these and a number of other sites, their intent is to change their FIRM.

                I can't really tell, from your description, whether a simplier LOMA or a LOMA-F or something more complicated is required. Just because they SAY they need a LOMA, doesn't mean they need only that.

                So, anyway, have the plans been approved by the final approving body? Does it involve zoning changes or??? Does your state require something similar to an environmental impact report (EIR) which requires (here) public notice and participation?

                You surely have a flood district office somewhere in your city/county? Have you contacted them for information on this? If not, I would. You might find this interesting as it is prepared by FEMA.

                Also, I noticed on several sites that a public meeting was required. Since building permit processes are so variable across the country, I couldn't begin to address whether the LOMA (or other type) may specifically require a hearing in and of itself. In Honolulu, for instance, it does. Here, that hearing might be incorporated into a subdivision hearing (which comes after zoning approval in my neck of the woods).

                Once you establish exactly what kind of LOMA or other change this would require, surely you have some engineers there that could run the figures. That MAY involve doing a public information act request to get whatever information has been submitted to FEMA by project proponent unless you can get same through a local agency that covers floodplain development.

                Still, though, the best idea would be to fight this at the very local level where you have direct input to a zoning board or Board of Supervisors or other decision making body. It's often all political, as you no doubt know.

                Since I don't know the situation very clearly, I am wondering if you cannot request of your local floodplain agency that a NEW FIS study be done for your entire community. This WOULD require public hearings, an appeal process, followed by a final determination by FEMA. The point in doing this MIGHT be to incorporate more accurate/up to date data incorporating climate change information if you are in an area at risk and it would ALSO give you the benefit of being able to be a part of the entire process, including how they deal with subject property. I do not know how this could be started--or if you would want to go this route--so it is a question for FEMA and perhaps your local floodplain/flood (whatever) agency.

                Since I don't understand your situation well, it's really difficult to advise someone on possible strategies. I know this would take a lot of work for me here, that's for sure.

                Has this been at all helpful?  Did I understand what you need?

                202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

                by cany on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 02:42:01 AM PDT

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                •  cany... you may have helped save the day (2+ / 0-)
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                  Or rather, saved a historic neighborhood.

                  What an incredible amount of work you have done to pull this together and the steps in it appear to be exactly what we need to do and it should accomplish the task to keep this developer honest and keep our neighborhood intact and viable.

                  A million thanks to you!

                  In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

                  by bronte17 on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 06:00:45 AM PDT

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                  •  You are most welcome. I wish you the best. (1+ / 0-)
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                    These things are NEVER easy to win so don't get discouraged.

                    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

                    by cany on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 07:52:25 PM PDT

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      •  I was aware of and working on issues (1+ / 0-)
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        related to sea level rise in Corte Madera, CA back in the early and mid 90s. Some California communities have been at this a long time. Nothing had been built by the time I left that town, though they'd ben working on design and methodology for years.

        Organ donors save lives! A donor's kidney gave me my life back on 02/18/11; he lives on in me. Please talk with your family about your wish to donate.

        Why are war casualty counts "American troops" and "others" but never "human beings"?

        by Kitsap River on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 09:51:48 PM PDT

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    •  New York already started a number of (7+ / 0-)

      years ago.  A pilot project is just one example of what's going on there with innovative design and local energy sourcing and conservation:

      New York's East River is a tidal straight that connects Long Island Sound to New York Harbor.  It changes direction twice a day.  A tidal power station is underway, with turbines that will pivot twice a day when the tide changes.

      When turbines were first installed, the currents were much more powerful than expected, so much so that the turbines sheered off almost immediately and had to be redesigned.

      The new tidal power plant is expected to provide enough power for 9500 residents.

  •  lets put first things first here........ (21+ / 0-)

    HoundDog get yourself better and thanks for taking the time to write this diary.  

    My daughter-in-law is a commercial architect and she was telling me about changes that are being made when designing buildings in coastal areas.   In addition to back-up generators, electrical units on rooftop areas, more and more are installing solar panels not only for day-to-day use but as back-up for the back-up fuel generators.  

    It sounds silly that in 2012 The President of the United States of America has to go on national/global media and say that he believes climate change is real

  •  Sorry to hear about your health scare (13+ / 0-)

    Take care of yourself. Remember that nodules can be anything, on a range from nothing, to benign things or something that you'll need treatment for. Stay positive!

    My husband had nodules in his lungs--very scary and they had to do a biopsy. Turns out it was sarcoidosis--treatable with prednisone and now completely gone. As it happens, although I'd never heard of sarcoidosis, it's fairly common. People get it in their kidneys, too. Sometimes it just goes away by itself but if relatively advanced needs to be treated with steroids. They don't know what causes it. Some sort of immune thing, apparently. But hubby is fine now and we talk to a lot of other people who have also had this and recovered.

    All my best wishes! I believe you will get well.

    I love it that Obama's channeling Harry Truman: "I don't give 'em hell; I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"

    by sillia on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 09:54:26 PM PDT

  •  Some wingnut legislators won't allow it (13+ / 0-)

    From Scientific American in May:

    NC Considers Making Sea Level Rise Illegal

    In a story first discussed by the NC Coastal Federation and given more play May 29 by the News & Observer of Raleigh and its sister paper the Charlotte Observer, a group of legislators from 20 coastal NC counties whose economies will be most affected by rising seas have legislated the words “Nuh-unh!” into the NC Constitution.
    Replacement House Bill 819. The key language is in section 2, paragraph e, talking about rates of sea level rise: “These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly. …” It goes on, but there’s the core: North Carolina legislators have decided that the way to make exponential increases in sea level rise – caused by those inconvenient feedback loops we keep hearing about from scientists – go away is to make it against the law to extrapolate exponential; we can only extrapolate along a line predicted by previous sea level rises.
    From Think Progress in June:

    Virginia Lawmaker Says ‘Sea Level Rise’ Is A ‘Left Wing Term,’ Excises It From State Report On Coastal Flooding

    Virginia’s legislature commissioned a $50,000 study to determine the impacts of climate change on the state’s shores. To greenlight the project, they omitted words like “climate change” and “sea level rise” from the study’s description itself. According to the House of Delegates sponsor of the study, these are “liberal code words,” even though they are noncontroversial in the climate science community.

    Instead of using climate change, sea level rise, and global warming, the study uses terms like “coastal resiliency” and “recurrent flooding.” Republican State Delegate Chris Stolle, who steered the legislation, cut “sea level rise” from the draft. Stolle has also said the “jury’s still out” on humans’ impact on global warming:

    I don't understand how these people get through life.
    •  I know, it's mind boggling. (6+ / 0-)

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:17:53 PM PDT

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    •  Isn't that the truth. I expect to see them (5+ / 0-)

      trying to eat toast through a straw.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:30:15 PM PDT

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    •  See my comment on this upthread. (10+ / 0-)

      Much ado has been made about North Carolina's "first-in-a-century" Republican majority in both houses of the legislature, but what hasn't been adequately emphasized is the sheer level of stupid of these legislators.

      Their seats were bought almost singlehandedly by Art Pope, affectionately known around these parts as "Fart Dope", who is our very own North Carolina Koch Brother. Pope Dope found the stupidest, most malleable, most unqualified boors in districts where ultraconservative but non-controversial Democrats had served for decades, and financed his boors with negative-ad barrages that overwhelmed the poor simple folks' ability to remain grounded in reality. Pope's Dope's people generally have no experience in such areas as local government, instead coming from the ranks of anti-government idiots who have been tasked with dismantling North Carolina's already-fragile regulatory structure.

      The result is what is, quite likely, the worst legislature in any state's history. Bills like this have been the result, and with the loss of Democratic Governor Bev Perdue and her likely replacement with Teabag-Boy Pat McCrory, matters here in the Old North State promise to get much, much worse. :-(

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 05:09:15 AM PDT

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    •  They are the ones that natural selection forgot (2+ / 0-)
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      The evolutionary answer would be to let them perish due to sea level rise before they had a chance to pass their genes along to any offspring.

  •  How RMoney will help you & family: (2+ / 0-)

    he will raffle off berths on his 150 foot yacht (with the Cayman Islands flag.)

    There's no such thing as a free market!

    by Albanius on Fri Sep 07, 2012 at 10:46:07 PM PDT

  •  hi, hounddog - here's wishing you (6+ / 0-)

    good a good pet scan!

    enjoy your weekend - you can't do a danged thing about it until the scan is done - so go forward and just think of having a great weekend!

    leave the healing thoughts for us to send you!

    •  Thanks for your kind words and support edrie. (4+ / 0-)

      The doctor told me Friday morning, and said his office would arrange the scan and they would call me with the times, but I didn't hear from them, so I guess I have to wait until Monday, to find out the schedule.

      I'm calling them first thing Monday morning though, because if I don't find out what's going on I may have to do an intervention on myself, as I'm starting to get emotional and leave "subtly melodramatic comments" like keep on trying to make the world better for future generations, not all of us may make, it.... but.... you know.

      Maybe I should unplug the internet and play Civilization 5 computer games until monday so I don't embarrass myself and everyone else any further.

      Even thought I've "matured a lot" and come a long way, many of the males of my generation, where I came from (North America), wasn't really trained very well, when it comes to trying to deal with difficulty emotional uncertainty like this.

      Lashing out at external symbols like stupid Republicans does make me feel better, but also seem so transparently like projective identification, that its embarrassing as well.  But, I've already watched rerun of all the good TV shows on OnDemand so I'm sort of restless.  

      Thanks again edrie.  This place has accidentally become my main extended family other than my son, and remaining family of origin.    

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 02:43:44 PM PDT

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      •  hounddog, you can never embarrass yourself (1+ / 0-)
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        around here - we are "family"!

        go join bigfish games and get lost in a few good hidden object games - mah jong - anything to let you focus on something other than the fear and uncertainty.

        instead, may i offer a bit of advice:

        don't waste good worry hours until you know you have something to worry about - that way, when you need to worry, you'll have plenty of strength.

        right now, you don't know.  tell yourself that and then refocus on something - anything - else.

        laughter is an amazing healing force - read some comedies - i suggest you check out christopher moore - he will keep your spirits in the highest place!

        the trick is to put a check on the negative before it gets hold.
        chris will help you do that!  he was my saving grace when i broke my back!

        start with "practical demonkeeping and just go through the list... 8^)

        oh, he's also on twitter - totally irreverent and completely totally on top of the news - AND he is a democrat/progressive with a great funny take on politics!

        •  How is your back doing? Did I tell you (1+ / 0-)
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          my son broke his back twice.  When he was 18 a tree he was climbiing feel over and and feel with it about 30 feet.  

          Ended up with two 8" titanium rods, 4 bands, and 8 screws helping to hold him together, and lost feeling in the middle third of his body.

          Then he was in an auto accident two years later.

          Sheesh.  I tell him now I'm sorry I didn't beat him as a child to put more of the fear of reality into his mind when he was young, which he seems to find to be funny.

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 11:35:10 PM PDT

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          •  thanks to riding, my back is getting better and (1+ / 0-)
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            better.  thanks to riding, that's how i broke it twice!

            i don't jump - too dangerous - i ride dressage (that's how i did my "oopsies" - the first, a transverse process at L3.  the second time, my horse was supposed to have been ridden and worked the week i was out of town.  he wasn't.  he had a whole lot of "energy" when i got on (first clue).  we stopped to chat with a friend, then i posted off - the fourth rise, WHOOOOOSH!  he was gone and so was i - burst L1 into multiple pieces.

            i'm like your son.  i got up slowly, stretched three times and drove myself to the hospital, where they finally filled me with enough drugs to keep me from getting up and going to the little girl's room!  four months and 1 day later, i was back on my older horse.  8^)

            gioe tiyr son is doing well - if he can find a hippotherapy program, riding may restore some of the feeling in his back.  the movement of the horse combined with the gentle stretching and movement of the rider's spine is amazing for it's rehabilitation effects!  i've seen kids in wheelchairs strapped in who could not sit upright and after one month of being supported on a horse, were riding unassisted, carrying their own bodies and no longer needing to be strapped upright!

            your son has a guardian angel to take him through those journeys - he is a very lucky young man!

            you will be, too!  now, back to mah jong or solitaire - i hear half-life is coming out with a new version - that's good for at least 60 hrs of intense distraction!  (i LOVE computer games for that reason.  seriously, check out bigfishgames - they have free online games you can play - but a warning, you'll end up buying games if you enjoy their stuff.  the mystery case files ones are terrific - graphics, storylines, twists, etc. keep us addicts on pins and needles waiting for the next one to be released.

            •  I'm a Civilization 5 addict. If I start playing I (1+ / 0-)
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              might not reemerge to this reality for 3 days to a week.

              But, I can hearing it calling out to me.  ...

              It's only a matter of time.  

              Thanks for your encouraging story edrie.  I will tell my son about it.

              The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

              by HoundDog on Sun Sep 09, 2012 at 12:39:58 AM PDT

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  •  Gees, Hounddog ... shocking news here (2+ / 0-)
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    here i click on your link, having visited your work for a while (sorry been kinda in absentia) cause its such a vital point, only to find such bad news about YOU?


  •  Just as the military (7+ / 0-)

    takes climate change seriously and is working to address it in their polices and planning.

    In fact, all the people who actually DEAL WITH climate change take it quite seriously.

    It is only the people who make a buck off denying it and who have no hands on knowledge of the real world (pundits, politicians and ivory tower business men in their luxury executive suites and expensive, taxpayer-and worker-funded jets) who deny it.

  •  Chris Hedges on Maine and water and sacred (5+ / 0-)
    The ocean floor off the coast of Maine, which this summer has seen a staggering five-degree rise in water temperature, is now covered in crustaceans—lobsters and crabs—that no longer have any predators. The fish stocks have been killed for profit. This crustacean monoculture carries with it the fragility of all monocultures, a fragility that corn farmers in the Midwest also have experienced. Lobsters provide 80 percent of Maine’s seafood income. But how much longer will they last? When a diverse and intricately balanced biosystem is wiped out, what future is there? After you dismantle nature and throw away the parts, what happens when you desperately need to put them back together? And even if you can nurture back to life the fish stocks decimated by the commercial fleets, as valiant organizations such as Penobscot East Resource Center are attempting to do, what happens when sea temperatures and acidity levels continue to rise amid global warming, dooming most life in the oceans?
    When I was a boy and came to this coast on duck hunting trips with my uncle, fishing communities were vibrant. The fleets caught haddock, cod, herring, hake, halibut, swordfish, pollock and flounder. All these fish have vanished from the area, victims of commercial fishing that saw huge trawlers rip up the seafloor and kill the corals, bryozoans, tubeworms and other species that nurtured new schools of fish. The trawlers left behind barren underwater wastelands of mud and debris. It is like this across the planet. Forests are cut down. Water is contaminated. Air is saturated with carbon emissions. Soil is depleted. Acidity levels in the oceans skyrocket. Atmospheric temperatures soar. And someone, somewhere, makes obscene sums of money from it. Corporations, indifferent to what is sacred, see the death of the planet as another investment opportunity. They are scurrying to mine the exposed polar waters for the last vestiges of oil, gas, minerals and fish. And since the corporations dictate our relationship to the ecosystem on which we depend for life, the chances of our survival look bleaker and bleaker. The final phase of 5,000 years of settled human activity ends with collective insanity.
    "Life Is Sacred" by Chris Hedges

    In Cleveland at Case Western University on Thursday for an ethics award to the environmentalist David Suzuki.

    His analogy is that the car is barreling down the highway at 100 miles per hour and we are in the trunk.

    We don't know enough to understand the environment. We don't know the side effects. The human species could be wiped out by the year 2100. How more serious could it be?

    Mankind has created markets and scientific knowledge explosion in the last 200 to 300 years, but man is now changing the bio sphere which we all depend on. We worship markets, something that can be changed. We don't worship air and water, something that is part of the biosphere which gives us life.

    Chris Hedges is direct in criticizing the politicians and the culture which is leading to ruin.

    Another speaker at the session on Thursday was David W. Orr from Oberlin who has said that what is needed is a fundamental economics and politics to place humans in their place within nature.

    What a contrast to the political conventions which are still in denial about climate change.

    David Suzuki asked: What planet does Mitt Romney live on that he is not concerned about sea level rise?

  •  International reaction (5+ / 0-)

    Most countries politicians do not ridicule the idea of climate change, but few seem willing to do anything politically conteroversial to try and slow it down.

    As far as I can see, in the last century, they were all happy to agree grand declarations with such long timescales that the politicians who signed would not have to worry about meeting the targets.

    As time has passed and the deadlines have gotten closer, new international agreements have become weaker and not much is being done to enforce them.

    Nevertheless the politically painless things, like designing new infrastructure in a way to minimise future hazards, should be straightforward. One wonders if the south eastern United States is paying any attention to these ideas.

    There is no man alive who is sufficiently good to rule the life of the man next door to him. Sir Rhys Hopkin Morris, M.P.

    by Gary J on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 04:42:59 AM PDT

  •  please take care and good luck with your (3+ / 0-)
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    tests Hounddog.  thanks for contributing this excellent diary.

    Macca's Meatless Monday

    by VL Baker on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 04:57:08 AM PDT

  •  Boston Sea Level (9+ / 0-)

    Our daughter received her Masters in Architecture in May.  Her thesis was designing floating buildings for Boston's Back Bay area when the sea rises over the next century.

  •  that's good (2+ / 0-)
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    btw it's "Knuckle" - in the title.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 05:21:37 AM PDT

  •  "knuckle" n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    If it weren't difficult, it wouldn't be an achievement.

    by Wife of Bath on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 05:21:46 AM PDT

  •  Just Spent a Week in Hospital (3+ / 0-)
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    With diverticulitis too, so glad yours did not rise to that level.  It's nasty.

    On the subject of your diary, here in the San Francisco Bay Area the Planning Divisions and Commissions of ALL jurisdictions have been working on a comprehensive plan to address sea level rise and each jurisdiction has been implementing its own changes to building requirements, setbacks and other things as well.  This has been going on for several years now and continues unabated.  Maybe because we don't have that many Republicans ;)? Who knows - all I know is that it is good to see that other municipalities and states at genuine risk are also taking the steps that are needed.

  •  The odd thing is many of the super rich (like (4+ / 0-)

    Romney) have mansions or condominiums along shorelines in places like Florida, NC, the Jersey shore (yes, NJ, there are quite expensive condos in places like Stone Harbor and Ocean City), Malibu, etc. But their funded party follows the ostrich philosophy (their children and grandchildren aren't going to be happy).

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 07:56:30 AM PDT

  •  How TF are those mutually exclusive? Pls explain. (2+ / 0-)
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    I mean if someone loses their home because the rising sea swallows it, what will Mitt do-tell them to eat cake?

  •  A Venice or twelve for every country! (2+ / 0-)
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    Tres chic! In 2024 Republican voters can gondola over to the neighborhood coffee shop and reminisce about Romney's hilarious joke, while they re-assure one another that this year really will be the year the GOP at long last returns to the White House.

  •  Is the misspelling of knuckle in the title (1+ / 0-)
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    in order to present a sense of irony?

  •  As a professional city planner, (4+ / 0-)
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    I applaud the broader acknowledhement of the problem and real action that cicites are taking, given the change that is likely to occur.

    Science denial, indeed!  Tell it to New Orleans.  Or Houston, or Pensacola, or Raleigh, or...

    The American Planning Association (our professional organization) has both taken the issue seriously and offered approaches as to how to deal wth it for several years.  More recognition of the problem and measures proposed is to be welcomed.

    Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

    by tom 47 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 01:53:36 PM PDT

  •  Take care HD (4+ / 0-)

    I hope things go well with your health in the coming weeks.

  •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)
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    Also, wishing you recovery.

    I've dealt with diverticulosis successfully for probably twenty years.  It did not have any other disease origin, so I just have to attend to diet restrictions, which have become diet opportunities.

    Once in a while I feel sorry for myself that I can't eat this or that, then I take a little time and finally my system says it wants something I really can eat, and that is good for me.

    In my case I have desired zucchini.  I love to chop it into salads or an accompaniment to sandwich ingredients.  Or, I grate carrots and put them with raisins--possibly with mayo or maybe olive oil.

    In time I have been able to concoct a whole range of "Can do" foods.  No salsa, however.  No salsa, ever.

    Just go with what is left, and be unwilling to punish yourself with what you can't eat.  But then your problem may have a disease origin quite different than diverticulitis.  Keep doing the best you can.  We are all in this together.  We pull each other up, we try to leave no one behind.

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