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This is most certainly NOT true...
       I grew up in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, the most conservative of the Lutheran denominations in the U.S.  The LCMS got even more conservative in the mid-70s with a purge of seminary students and instructors from one of their two seminaries and having a small portion of their congregations break away and form a different denomination before the rebels joined the more liberal Lutheran denominations and formed the Lutheran Church in America.  This kerfuffle has been experienced by other churches in one shape or another in past and recent history and is the nature of the beast.
      In catechism class which I undertook from 5th thru 8th grade we had to memorize large portions of Luther's Small Catechism.  Luther would interpret Scripture and put his spin on it and end his two cents with the phrase, "This is most certainly true".  So when we said the memorized passages while looking up at our six foot six pastor we would end our pronouncements with that phrase (at least some of the poorer students in class could confidently announce that ditty to end their twisting in the wind and would sit down awash in relief).  
     Let's examine some of the beliefs of the LCMS as written in Luther's Small Catechism.......

- The LCMS believes that the wine and the wafer represent the true body and blood of their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.  They do not believe in transubstantiation as their old nemesis the Roman Catholics believe but it is only a step away.  Of course, churches believe it is not the true body and blood of Brian, er...Jesus and set up their own churches over this disagreement with Martin Luther and fought subsequent warfare over this smashingly important question.

- Husbands should love their wives but wives should SUBMIT (no mention of love, ladies) to your husband.  By the way, the LCMS just thinks the Apostle Paul is the greatest thing since strudel and you will see them channeling the ol' misogynist all over the place.  Naturally, the LCMS does not allow women pastors and rarely will you see a woman assist with communion.  In many congregations women are just now receiveing the right to vote.  When I was growing up the ladies were to get the men coffee and go back to the kitchen while the men did the voting.  Good times good times.....

- Widows, no worries, the LCMS has you covered..."..But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives (no worries gentlemen as you are not mentioned-continue what you were doing)."  My twice-widowed mother is having the time of her life with her purple-follicled elementary school classmate going dancing three times a week and playing cards at the senior citizen center twice a week.  The joy in her voice is palpable when I talk to her each week.  But according to the LCMS and the bible  she is a horrible sinner and probably going to hell-despite going to church each week.  Verses like these make hypocrites out of good people because they are forced to ignore the nonsense or turn into Westboro Baptist idiots if they don't.  Is there any other religion that forces its adherents to be hypocrites in order to be a normal person in society and religious as well?  

Well, that is a brief tour of the wasteland of LCMS doctrine-there's obviously more but they are the standard fundamentalist pablum we all know and I'd better get to work just in case my mother and her friend need any bail money.  Cheers.

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  •  Sounds like you might prefer New England ELCA... (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, Larsstephens

    ...the same two sacraments you know and pretty much just the 4 gospels (and maybe Acts). The rest is coffee cake and community.

    (-9,-9) pragmatic incrementalist :-P

    by Enterik on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 10:31:45 AM PDT

    •  ELCA, eh? (1+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for the offer but I am too familiar with 19th century German criticism of the Gospels to take it very seriously.   I do love old-fashion coffee cake though!

      •  4 verses for every song ;-) (0+ / 0-)

        With Davey & Goliath in Sunday School.

        Perhaps, I generalized too much.

        In fact, I grew up in what can only be described as a  ago.scandanavian lutheran socialist hippie commune though services in swedish ended twenty years...

        hence the emphasis on coffee cake.

        (-9,-9) pragmatic incrementalist :-P

        by Enterik on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 01:09:21 PM PDT

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  •  Good for your mom! (2+ / 0-)
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    belexes, Larsstephens

    I hope she continues to have a great time with her friend and enjoy life to the fullest.

    *the blogger formerly known as shirlstars

    by Shirl In Idaho on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 11:19:29 AM PDT

  •  They'd have really hated me. (4+ / 0-)
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    luckylizard, belexes, Larsstephens, zett

    I was widowed at 34. I guess I was supposed to wear nothing  but black and sit home and mourn for the enxt 50 years.

    Instead, I chose to weep when I felt like it and to plunge back into life, such as it was in the Florida Panhandle. I remarried too. OOOOOH, they'd really hate me. But maybe it was okay since I married someone int he military? Do the sacrifices made by a military wife outweigh the pleasures of remarriage?

    I never liked Paul anyway.  Frankly ther seem to have been several Pauls, or else one with major Disassociative Disorder (and more alters than Sybil) The man who wrote Corinthians and the man who praised female disciples  could not be the same man who wrote the hate-filled epistle to Timothy.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 12:05:40 PM PDT

    •  You're right. (3+ / 0-)
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      belexes, Larsstephens, zett

      According to research, by a lot of people, that's been published many times, there is more than 100 years between Corinthians and Timothy.

      Strength and dignity are her clothing, she rejoices at the days to come; She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the law of kindness is on her tongue.

      by loggersbrat on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 12:11:10 PM PDT

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  •  Paul has always given me (2+ / 0-)
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    Larsstephens, zett

    whiplash.  There are passages that are beautiful, soaring, transcendent.  And then there is the rest of it...

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 12:09:39 PM PDT

    •  Paul was a mystic (3+ / 0-)
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      He could write (or someone did) some beautiful lines but he was a product of his time and education and it was a man's world and he reflected that in his writings.  Plus, he was making it up as he went along in response to events as they unfolded.  Paul's letters were also written before the Gospels were-in case anybody is interested in that fact.

      •  I didn't know that (0+ / 0-)

        they were written earlier.  Makes sense, but never really thought about it.  Thanks.  Learn something new here every day!  :-)

        -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

        by luckylizard on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 03:57:14 PM PDT

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  •  The other nasty thing about LCMS (0+ / 0-)

    Worshiping or praying with anyone not of the church is not allowed.  The pastor who participated in the interfaith prayer service at Yankee Stadium after 9/11 was accused of worshiping with pagans and offending God for doing so.  

    Oy vey - this is what the LCMS Synod did to one of their own

    Eventually he was reinstated, but it was a hell of a thing to do to someone who was just trying to, y'know, give some comfort to the grieving people of NYC and the country.

    LCMS is the church we joined when we moved to Virginia, but it was really not very much like the LCA church I grew up in.  (Lutheran Church in America - which eventually merged with the Evangelical Lutheran Church to form the ELCA)

    You hear about crazy, but it's rarer than you think. -Jon Stewart 1/10/2011

    Help Me Find Mister Boots

    by lcork on Sat Sep 08, 2012 at 05:12:57 PM PDT

    •  Spot on (0+ / 0-)

      About the good ol' LCMS putting the tongs to one of their own for doing the inferfaith service after 9/11-I forgot about that since that was so predictable about them.  What a nasty little denomination.  Glad I escaped.

  •  Most of them. (0+ / 0-)
    Is there any other religion that forces its adherents to be hypocrites in order to be a normal person in society and religious as well?  
    Yes.  Most of them.  Hypocritical thinking that requires cognitive dissonance is not only allowed, but is in fact actually necessary in order to reconcile religious dogmas with reality.

    We're supposed to believe in a god that pays humanity special attention and dotes over us .... despite the fact that in the universe he is alleged to have created our existence is so teeny and tiny on the scale of both space and time that we pretty much round down to zero.  If you talk of a vacuum existing inside a glass container, and it turns out you were off slightly because there was still one hydrogen atom in there somewhere, you would still be considered correct because that would be well within the accuracy level demanded by common speech.  It would be a negligible rounding error to fail to mention that one hydrogen atom.  The existence of US in the universe amounts to a rounding error even SMALLER than that.

    No, if the universe was created by a god, WE were clearly not important to that god, and not what the god cared about.

    That pretty much contradicts most religions RIGHT THERE.

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