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I am very doubtful that the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya was a response to an anti-Islam film. Yesterday I left a comment, which highlighted my doubt. The comment cited a think tank, which stated the following (partially at least):

We at Quilliam believe the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi was a well planned terrorist attack that would have occurred regardless of the demonstration, to serve another purpose. According to information obtained by Quilliam – from foreign sources and from within Benghazi – we have reason to believe that the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al-Qaeda’s second in command killed a few months ago.
The reasons for this are as follows:
•    24 hours before this attack, none other than the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, released a video on Jihadist forums to mark the anniversary of 9/11. In this video, Zawahiri acknowledged the death of his second in command Abu Yahya and urged Libyans to avenge his killing.
•    According to our sources, the attack was the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault – it is rare that an RPG7 is present at a peaceful protest.
•    According to our sources, the attack against the Consulate had two waves. The first attack led to US officials being evacuated from the consulate by Libyan security forces, only for the second wave to be launched against US officials after they were kept in a secure location.
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/...
Now new information seems to give my doubt further credence. We have the testimony of a security guard who claims to have been outside the consulate:
A Libyan security guard who said he was outside the U.S. consulate here when it was attacked Tuesday night has provided new evidence that the assault on the compound that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, was a planned attack by armed Islamists and not the result of anger over an online video that mocks Islam and its founder, the Prophet Muhammad.

The guard, interviewed Thursday in the hospital where he is being treated for five shrapnel wounds in one leg and two bullet wounds in the other, said that the consulate area was quiet – “there wasn’t a single ant outside,” he said – until about 9:35 p.m., when as many as 125 armed men descended on the compound from all directions.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/...

More evidence will unravel in the not so distant future. For now I shall continue to remain a skeptic.

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  •  so, Romney is twice as far off base. (9+ / 0-)

    And it was we were too tough, not too weak.
    So, Romney apologies forthcoming?
    HAHAHAHAHA!

  •  Good job writing that up. (9+ / 0-)

    This coincides with the Guardian report.

    So, I guess the timing of the film was just a coincidence, in Libya.


    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:30:28 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, the RPGs are a dead giveaway (11+ / 0-)

    Which brings up a question - were US embassies on heightened alert for 9/11 anniversary? And if not, why not?

    (romney)/RYAN 2012 - My fellow Americans; when I was a boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But I say to you now; we must go forward, not backwards. We must go upwards, not forward. And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!

    by Fordmandalay on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:34:43 PM PDT

    •  This article says no heightened alert (7+ / 0-)

      And even suggests there was prior warning about the attack that was ignored. Their source is unnamed but you can bet we'll hear more about this:

      http://www.independent.co.uk/...

      "Well, the problem here is that you're out of candy. You're gonna need more candy." Rachel Maddow on the Big Bailout

      by cishart on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:41:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  There's a garbled report in the Guardian (5+ / 0-)

      ...that says "yes" security was stepped up.

      According to security sources the consulate had been given a "health check" in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."
      http://www.independent.co.uk/...


      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:51:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Oops. I mean The Independent. (3+ / 0-)
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        A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

        by Pluto on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:52:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  "US Ramps Up Security Before 9/11 Anniversary.." (5+ / 0-)

        The United States is ramping up security measures in anticipation of the anniversary of the 9/ 11 terrorist attacks on Tuesday,

        "...said the White House on Monday...

        According to a White House statement, President Barack Obama was briefed on Monday by "key national security principals on our preparedness and security posture on the eve of the eleventh anniversary of September 11th."

        The statement said Obama discussed with the principals on " specific measures we are taking in the Homeland to prevent 9/11 related attacks as well as the steps taken to protect U.S. persons and facilities abroad, as well as force protection."

        During the meeting, Obama reiterated that departments and agencies must "do everything possible to protect the American people, both at home and abroad..."

        The White House said over the past month, John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, has convened numerous meetings to review security measures in place.

        The problem in Libya was that there has been ongoing violence in Libya for months.  There have been several recent attacks on western interests there:  In May, 2012 the same group suspected of this attack on the US Embassy claimed responsibility for an attack on the Red Cross offices in Benghazi; In June, 2012 a British Embassy convoy was attacked in Benghazi; and an attack on the US mission in the same city; In Aug. 2012, a bomb blew up the car of an Egyptian diplomat near his home in Benghazi...

        The linked article in the Guardian in June, 2012 continued:

        Apart from terror attacks such as these, Libyans are fighting each other. Militiamen act with impunity, as the recent seizure of Tripoli airport showed, while clashes continue in the southern town of Kufra, where pro-government militiamen are locked in an armed conflict with tribal forces over smuggling routes. The clashes have so far claimed at least 20 lives.

        Civil war and increased bloody lawlessness in Libya is now a real possibility, with all indicators suggesting the worst may be yet to come because of the continued lack of state control and failure to stabilise the security environment...


        •  People forget that the US Embassy is in Tripoli (5+ / 0-)

          What was the Ambassador doing in the US Consulate in Benghazi on 9-11 is a mystery to everyone. He was supposed to be in Tripoli and warning people NOT to travel.

          Also, at 10 pm at night, usually there is no protest demonstration anywhere in the world.

          RPG and ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUNS (as one witness said) are not there for a protest about a video. The attackers expected an helicopter's rescue. Fortunately, it didn't happen. The same witness said that around 80 people showed up, out of nowhere.
          That confirms what the security guard in this diary is saying.

          •  Benghazi is a trouble spot (0+ / 0-)

            ...over the post-Gaddafi oil contracts. They have the oil, Tripoli keeps the money and pays the grift to foreign oil exploiters. Might have something to do with the oil contracts that went missing from the Embassy during the attacks.


            A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

            by Pluto on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:05:53 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Why did we have local security guards and not (2+ / 0-)
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        ladybug53, Shawn Russell

        US Marines on Sept. 11th?

        That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

        by concernedamerican on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:53:34 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  This was my first question too. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      ladybug53, Shawn Russell

      That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

      by concernedamerican on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:52:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I believe an offshoot of al Qaeda has claimed (6+ / 0-)

    responsibility for the incident citing the recent killing of their second in command recently.  However the various incarnations of this group is prone to claim responsibility for acts they did not commit in an attempt to increase their own credibility.
    A second theory is that the attackers were dead-ender left overs from the Qaddafi regime, attempting one last strike to perhaps begin laying the groundwork for sowing chaos in preparation for a future return to power.

    Both theories present strong and weak points but either one is more likely than the winger version of the mob in the street attacking the embassy in a spontaneous response.

  •  This picture from the cited article is important (12+ / 0-)

    We need to remember, the Libyans are not our enemies -- just some of them.

    "Democracy is only real if we all participate" -- Bea Bookler, 94 year-old voter disenfranchised by Voter-ID

    by 8ackgr0und N015e on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:39:56 PM PDT

    •  oh. prophet. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Shawn Russell, ladybug53, Avilyn

      i just now realized...

      gee, i'm sorry, too: i can't read a single word of arabic or i would do a standout in return, saying, thank you, people of Libya: we continue to support your freedom and accept your apology.

      * Join: OBAMA'S TRUTH TEAM * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

      by greenbird on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:55:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  no "Libyan" is our enemy (1+ / 0-)
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      ladybug53

      just any radical who truly believes in all of the bad phrases in any religious text.  I'm just as worried about more Tim McVeighs as I am of terrorist attack.  Those fuckers who helped fund the video are a step away from being the next Waco-type incident.  Gods and guns...two things people with inferiority complexes love...and two things that mix about as well as gas and matches.

      With the level of zealotry these teabaggers exhibit I'm surprised their aren't more "Army of God" moments within our own borders.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. – Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:08:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Independent claims to have an (7+ / 0-)

    exclusive on the attack, reporting that it was definitely planned, and that the killing the Ambassador was an assassination, because it was supposedly secret that he was even visiting that consulate.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/...

    According to security sources the consulate had been given a "health check" in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."
    Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."
     emphasis added

    That paragraph gives me chill.  That's essentially the chief of police.  If it was all outrage over the film, why weren't other American posts in Libya also attacked with the same vigor that day?

    Incompetence?  Corruption?

    •  Last paragraphs weren't supposed to be within (2+ / 0-)
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      Pluto, cosette

      the block quote.

      These are my thoughts:

      That paragraph gives me chill.  That's essentially the chief of police.  If it was all outrage over the film, why weren't other American posts in Libya also attacked with the same vigor that day?

      Incompetence?  Corruption?

  •  125 attackers seems more plausible than 20 (5+ / 0-)

    We know that 10 Libyans were killed defending our people. It seems unlikely 20 attackers would so swiftly and dramatically overpower so many defenders so swiftly. But an attack by over 100, that seems to fit the results much better.

    I never thought the armed attack was about the film. I figured the attackers used the demonstration as cover. But now it sounds as though there weren't even demonstrations.

    Romney looks worse and worse at it become clearer and clearer we have not heard the whole story.

    •  The guards ran. (6+ / 0-)
      Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post.

      "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."

      http://www.independent.co.uk/...

      But that sounds like a cover for something else, as well. It was clearly an inside job, given the highly selective missing documents.


      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:12:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The guards and security police at the US consulate (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Shawn Russell, ladybug53, gramofsam1

        may have been hesitant to use deadly force against the protestors for historical reasons. Don't forget that it was the deaths of 11 protestors by Gaddafi police forces in 2006 in an attempt to protect the Italian consulate during the Mohammed "cartoon" riots which was the tinder that fueled the Libyan Feb17, "Day of Rage", revolution.

        Some very interesting parallels here. Many in the US would have preferred that similar deadly force be used against those storming the US embassy.

        In Libya, 11 reportedly die in cartoon protests
        February 18, 2006

        Eleven people were killed and an Italian consulate was burned in Libya on Friday night during protests to denounce the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed, sources in Libya said.

        There also was a "high number" of injuries, said an official with the Italian Embassy in Tripoli.

        In the port city of Benghazi in northeast Libya, protesters set the Italian Consulate on fire, but it was safely evacuated and no employees were injured, said Francesco Trupiano, Italy's ambassador to Libya.
        ...
        The state-run Libyan news agency, Jamahiriya, or Jana, reported on its Web site that the casualties occurred when protesters clashed with police. The public prosecutor has been asked to investigate the way police dealt with the demonstrators, the news agency said.

  •  Blackwater security is guarding our embassies (8+ / 0-)

    worldwide now. Few years ago, at least one official complained when he saw the change happening in Irak.
    They cost way more than the US marines! That official said.

    Also, from Time magazine, a Libyan friend of the  Ambassador told him that the security around the US consulate was too thin (4 libyans guards only). He added: Even Morroco and Jordan consulates have much more security and he didn't understand why the US is relying on Libyan security guards, who are not well trained. His words.

  •  An interesting coincidence (3+ / 0-)

    The brother of Aymen Al Zawahiri's  Al Qaeda  #1 was on scene  at the Cairo embassy According to the last paragraph of this WSJ article

    http://online.wsj.com/...

    ' Mohammed Al Zawahiri, the brother of Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al Zawahiri, was among those who attended the rally early in the evening. The younger Mr. Zawahiri, who has renounced violence and has stylized himself as an intermediary between Islamists and the West, was released from an Egyptian jail in March after serving 10 years on charges of militancy.'
  •  Interesting think tank, (3+ / 0-)

    and interesting "coincidences".
    As usual.

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:46:51 PM PDT

  •  Ayman al-Zawahiri (0+ / 0-)

    We really need to shut this asshole down Bin Laden style.

    He was a radical when Bin Laden was just a child.  

    I'm not a violent person, but I'll celebrate the day that son of a bitch is taken out.  

    When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

    by Beelzebud on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:45:06 PM PDT

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