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There's an old saying, "When you find yourself in a hole, first - Stop digging".

Mitt Romney was wrong to claim that the Egyptian Embassy had "apologized" for an attack that hadn't happened yet.  Instead of backing slowly away, Mitt Romney and his campaign have deployed a backhoe.

Rather than admitting that he was wrong, he and his campaign have come up with excuse after excuse for why they were right after all.

The Embassy "re-iterated" their statement.  The White House "disavowed" it (actually, they only said they didn't pre-approve it).  The Republican Reality Distortion Field keeps growing - it can't be depolarized - the Lies just keep coming and keep becoming more and more brazen.  Now in pre-emptive defense of those lies, Romney is called President Obama a "Liar".

http://www.rawstory.com/...

I think he’s going to say a lot of things that aren’t accurate,” Romney told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos...
Romney thinks the President Will What?.  Oh, no he didn't!

Continued...

“But the challenge I’ll have is that the president tends to, how shall I say it, say things that aren’t true in attacking his opponents.”

“I’ve looked at prior debates and in that kind of case, it’s difficult to say, well, am I going to spend my time correcting things that aren’t quite accurate or am I going spend my time talking about the things I want to talk about? And that’s the challenge.”

How would this man know what is "not accurate"?

He doesn't seem to know that the $716 Billions from Medicare extends the life of the trust fund instead of reducing benefits.

He doesn't seem to know that the Welfare Waivers increased the work requirement instead of reduced them.

He doesn't seem to know that President Obama never apologized for America.

He doesn't seem to know his tax plan doesn't make any damn sense.

Members of his campaign are claiming there would be "no unrest" in the Middle East right now because of #RomneyStrength. That Ambassador Chris Stevens would still be alive, if only Sir Mittance the Powerful had been President.  It's tantamount to claiming Romney would have stopped 9-11 and the Challenger explosion, if only he'd been President at the time.

http://www.rawstory.com/...

“There’s a pretty compelling story that if you had a President Romney, you’d be in a different situation,” Richard Williamson, a former U.S. ambassador who advises Republican presidential candidate, said during an interview published The Washignton Post. “For the first time since Jimmy Carter, we’ve had an American ambassador assassinated.”

“The president can’t even keep track of who’s our ally or not,” he added. “This is amateur hour — it’s amateur hour.”

Romney, Ryan and his campaign have followed this argument with their refrain for American "Leadership".
“The world needs American leadership,” Rommey said at a campaign event Thursday. “The Middle East needs American leadership and I intend to be a president that provides the leadership that America respects and will keep us admired throughout the world.”
And just where would the O-Fearless Leaderly One Lead them to exactly?

Seems to me Romney is headed only one place - Straight Down.

But here's the thing: What Romney's doing here isn't all that different from the standard Republican modis operandi for the last few years.  They've all been arguing with an empty chair from their own imagination.  Obama doesn't "Like America".  Obama is some kind of "socialist, marxist, kenyan, anti-colonial".

Wasn't it Sarah Palin who told Romney to "Go on the attack!"?

Isn't that exactly what he's doing?

And we've already seen Romney surrogate Rob Portman get poned on the air while trying to back up their assertions when he didn't know the timeline of events.  

Just as Einstein said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result" - then this party, and it's Leader, are unequivocally proving itself to be utterly, totally, Insane.

And what happens on November 7th and their false reality comes crashing down around their ears yet again and the President is re-elected?  Just how far down the rabbit hole into the Mad Hatter's Tea Party Lunacy will the be by then?

Some Republicans are still to smell the burning flesh, and they don't like it.

A Barack Obama win in November will lead to a meltdown within the Republican Party, said Bryan Fischer, an influential official at the American Family Association. And he isn’t too optimistic about Mitt Romney’s chances.

“If Barack Obama wins this election the Republican Party as we know it is finished, it is dead, it is toast — you can stick a fork in it,” he told TPM Friday at the Values Voter Summit in Washington. “And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”

At a certain point, like an Addict For Self-Aggrandizing Bullshit - they have to finally hit bottom.  They may be ideologically bent, but they can still read numbers like these.
Obama Post DNC Bounce is holding.  Especially in the Swing States of which he only need ONE to defeat Romney.
They've been planning this for decades.  Slowly sinking the economy under the weight of massive tax cuts and deficits only to saddle an eventual Democratic President with the clean-up, then Cut him off at the knees as a way to prove that ALL DEMOCRATS are a feckless and ineffectual as Jimmy Carter.  You can only trust Republicans to run the Country and fix the Economy, never mind that whole Clinton Surplus thing - keep your eyes on the shiny candy-like Economy as it sinks into the Sunset under the weight of a thousand lead ballons of GOP Obstruction...

Just look at the light... you're growing very drowsy... zzzzzzz

But it's not going to WORK.  They're going to FAIL.  We're going to WIN.

And when that happens will that cold sobering splash of hard fresh reality finally begin to wake them of from their self-deluded aggrandizations, or simply drive them further into the nutty?

Will the party wake up, or will it fall further and further into the loving death-embrace of the Ingrahams, Limbaughs, D'Souzas and Priebi who will literally SAY ANYTHING and DO ANYTHING for partisan gain no matter what it does to the country and the world?

Will they stop only when they hit China and there's no more digging they can do?

Vyan

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  •  Tip Jar (214+ / 0-)
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  •  Let's see... (36+ / 0-)

    ..the dead-ender nuts in the Republican party already think everything Obama says is a lie.

    Romney them tosses them a panderburger by claiming he (Romney) thinks Obama is going to lie in the debates.

    Panderburger voraciously consumed = mission accomplished.

    FOX News = where David Axelrod spends his every Sunday morning legitimizing the illegitimate.

    by wyvern on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 11:52:46 AM PDT

  •  There will be a massive fight within GOP about (35+ / 0-)

    whether a more likeable centrist would have prevailed, or whether only a more confident "bona fide conservative" would have prevailed.  The loudest voices of course will be braying the latter.  It's gonna be nasty, two in a row now, first McCain's defeat and now Romney's.  

  •  It may be Romney's best bet. (7+ / 0-)

    Do nothing, and he loses.  Take a chance that he ends up with an alternative narrative an a yet-unfolding middle east situation that ends up unpopular, and he scores points.

  •  To paraphrase a Game of Thrones line (26+ / 0-)

    They'll come back.  The worst ones always do.

    For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)

    by Dallasdoc on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 11:57:51 AM PDT

  •  Well, right after the election (18+ / 0-)

    the r pundits will probably point out the weakness of Obama in this election.... after all, he didn't win IN and NC, did he?  Shows how many people are dissatisfied with O.

    Next, they'll say that rmoney wasn't a real conservative, who didn't represent conservative values.  Blah blah blah, eh?

    Next, so long as they have 40+ senators, they keep on blocking all O proposes, and say that they have the voice of the people because O didn't win IN and NC this election.

    Then, they'll just plan for 2014, and hope voter turnout isn't as strong, so they'll win some back.

    And so on.........

    Now, I think that they real key to destroying this monster of a repug party is a blowout by the dems in 2014.  If dems can muster power there, they we may see some movement.  

    Otherwise, different day, same old shit.....

    •  They'll only be able to filibuster with 40+ (3+ / 0-)
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      Senators if Harry Reid hasn't learned a damn thing these last three years.  I believe he has learned the Republicans are going to stonewall everything that they're allowed to and therefore I expect modification of, if not outright repeal, of the filibuster rule no matter which party takes control of the Senate.

  •  I think this may well be the election of 1852 (34+ / 0-)

    as far as the parties are concerned. The Whigs outright fell apart during the off year elections of 1854 (some of them even joined the Know-Nothing Party) and regrouped in 1856 as the Republican party, which, at that time, was thoroughly sectional (and organized on opposition to slavery in the North and Midwest).

    Now that party, having become sectional again (different parts of the country, mostly in the South), is about to run itself into the ground because it has nothing to discuss this election year. All it did in Washington for the past two years was oppose everything -- turns out that's not a winning strategy! I think we'll know what the warring factions will be after the election.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent, and we are all Wisconsin.

    by Dave in Northridge on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:00:31 PM PDT

    •  I think you put your finger on it (13+ / 0-)

      When Romney loses this November (okay, I'm thinking positive here, but it's getting harder not to accept that as the only outcome), he's going to drag down a lot of people with him. Most importantly, all of the ex-Bush administration who jumped onto his bandwagon.

      The 2014 midterms will be a battle between the Teabaggers, the Paulistas, & everyone else (including the handful of the true Republican moderates, who have been keeping out of these things & hanging on to their offices). If things get nasty enough, the first two groups will either fight to control the Republican party -- or split from it to join one of the existing third parties. (The Constitution party & the Libertarians both have some grass-roots presence; either would be at least doubled in size & clout if joined by disaffected Republicans of similar ideologies.) As for the "everyone else" faction, my guess is either they'll try to hold on to the Republican brand (if neither of the other two groups own it) or rebrand themselves & hope they can attract support from the independents & remaining right-wing Democrats to rebuild their presence.

      The new Republican party may be entirely regional, although in today's networked world, the neo-Republican party & competing third parties could manage a contiguous existence, competing for power in a couple of different Mountain & Southern states while separately competing with the Democrats in the rest of the country (say Libertarians v. Democrats in Nevada & Colorado, neo-Republicans v. Democrats in New Hampshire & Wisconsin, Libertarians v. Constitution in Montana, & neoRepublicans v. Constitution in South Carolina).

      •  Mitt is also going to drag down... (12+ / 0-)

        ... Paul Ryan and the "supply siders".  Mitt is not one to take responsibility (or assume risk) for his actions.  By claiming to run on Ryan's budget and programs, Mitt is allowing himself an out to say that those policies are not popular enough to win on.  I can hear Mitt saying that he followed the advice of rethug poo-bahs  like Rush and selected Ryan as his running mate and look at where it got him.

        I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

        by Hey338Too on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:09:36 PM PDT

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      •  Nope. Just a new iteration of 'No Labels', et. al. (3+ / 0-)
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        Why change anything when you can just trick enough of the rest of the voters into giving you power?  For institutional and financial reasons, neither party can fragment anytime in the foreseeable future.

        The RW knows this and so engineered a hostile takeover of the Thugs after '92. W was thier candidate after all, just packaged as a 'moderate'.  If anything, Mr.1% proves how in control the RW is of the Thugs, the 'extreme makeover' he's done on himself since 2004 was as inevitable as it is instructive.  The problem for him is he was not originally 'one of them', so he could not 'lie to the middle' (since they never really change a position, just lie about it) and still be trusted by them.  Thus, he's been stuck constantly trying to win the RW's approval and losing everybody else.

        The real question is does anyone but Jeb fit the mold of RW true believer who can lie to the middle enough to win.  And, if not, does a majority of voters actually want a monarchy?

      •  And, if the Democrats were uncharacteristically (2+ / 0-)
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        Machiavellian, they would do their best to strengthen the weak and weaken the strong, State by State, district by district. Having the Republicans split into bitterly warring factions is our dream come true.

        For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

        by Anne Elk on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:23:15 PM PDT

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    •  Hey! (3+ / 0-)
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      My great-great-great-great uncle destroyed the Whig party by losing that race.  We've never forgiven old Uncle Winnie for that one!!  

      No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

      by CrazyHorse on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:28:56 PM PDT

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    •  dave, 1860 was a potent (2+ / 0-)
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      combo of old Whig money but a too radical Seward and Lincoln who could win the southern counties in the Midwest. Now the old Whigs liberated by Citzens United are like the Dems after Dred Scott, controlling less of the goverment but unchallenged in power. They would avoid the mistake of the planters of 1860 if they could compromise some more. They have to appeal to the middle class, show love for the base, hold the Union together, a return to the Reagan formula. What's more likely is the money at the top will fund obstructionists as if in the midst of a civil war.

  •  Sorta Doesn't Matter for 1 1/2 Years. (6+ / 0-)

    All election outcomes cause the tea party elected reps to double down on obstruction. There's a fair chance that'll take us into another collapse of some kind before the midterm election.

    At that point all bets are off. It could prime them for a rightwing sweep. It's hard to imagine deadlock and continued bad or very bad economic news sweeping in a liberal government. I don't think such a thing is possible.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:09:12 PM PDT

    •  The money will still be there (1+ / 0-)
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      To keep the comfortable trappings of democracy, big money will always need some surrogate through which to exert civil power. Whether the same party keeps that role under new leadership, or the same leaders reorganize under a new name is irrelevant. The same need to shift the tax burden from corporations and the wealthy onto the working class, the same need to extract wealth from a system without hindrance of regulation, the same need for access to cheap natural and human resources will persist. The same concentration of wealth will buy the same concentrated power somewhere, and some party will exploit the same or some other fetishes and prejudices to deliver it.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:19:31 PM PDT

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  •  The morning after election day? One percent of (3+ / 0-)
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    'the american people have spoken."  and 99 percent of big ol' bitterness and 'who do we blame?"  Romney, of course, will be crucified for failing poor old conservatism and not 'getting their message across". (Too true.) Also, blaming the stupid American voters who just don't know what's good for them.
    One thing they can't blame- White voter guilt. If that was real, people could say, 'We gave Obama his four years. We're even now!' and vote for somebody else.

    For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?'' ...

    by QuaintIrene on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:09:33 PM PDT

  •  Who was in charge when these ambassadors were (6+ / 0-)

    killed in the line of duty?

    Laurence A. Steinhardt, in Canada, March 28, 1950 * - Truman
    John Gordon Mein, in Guatemala -- Aug. 28, 1968 - Nixon
    Cleo A. Noel Jr., in Sudan -- March 1, 1973 - Nixon
    Rodger P. Davies, in Cyprus -- Aug. 19, 1974 - Ford
    Francis E. Meloy Jr.,. in Lebanon -- June 16, 1976 - Ford
    Adolph Dubs, in Afghanistan -- Feb. 14, 1979 - Carter
    Arnold L. Raphel, in Pakistan, Aug. 17, 1988 * - Clinton

    *: plane crash

    So Williamson can take his theory about who might have done what and focus on when ambassadors are threatened because of foreign policy failures in Republican administrations.

  •  Mitt is NOT going on an apology tour to set the (1+ / 0-)
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    record straight!  That's for Librul Kenyans, dammit!

  •  Ha! Ha! (2+ / 0-)
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    He doesn't seem to know his tax plan doesn't make any damn sense.
  •  Romney should not be in the debates (2+ / 0-)
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    Without releasing his tax returns.

    I say this as a follow-up to databob's excellent dairy and a comment by Serendipity on how "We the People" would bestow the highest security clearance to someone that has not been appropriately vetted.   A relevant portion of the comment titled "Not to Rain on your Parade" is quoted below:

    See Article II, sec. 2 of the : constitution

    . . .he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, . . .
    The highest security clearance is inherent in the job. It is granted by the political process of being elected.
    So I think that IF (not likely) he were to win the election, the simple fact that a majority elected him to the position would grant him all of the prerequisite clearances that her would need to do the constitutional enumerated responsibilities of the job.

    IMHO, if Romney does NOT release his Taxes for at least the past 6-8 years, I for one would not consider him a candidate for the most powerful office in the world.

    The debates should be cancelled.

    Just a small-minded 'merican that wants to see the Romney 2009 FBAR

    by griz4u on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:40:34 PM PDT

    •  Debates (0+ / 0-)

      Cancel the debates and the Goops will just ramp up the "Obama is too cowardly to debate Rmoney" crapola.  Cancelling them would be a disaster.

      •  The point I was making (0+ / 0-)

        Is that the Presidential Debates are a discussion of issues between two candidates that are qualified to be POTUS.

        By not showing his taxes, Romney fails the Security Clearance test - and is therefore not qualified to run for the Presidency of the USA.

        So BO debating an unqualified candidate is a waste of time... so the Debates need to be cancelled.

        Just a small-minded 'merican that wants to see the Romney 2009 FBAR

        by griz4u on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 07:05:45 PM PDT

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  •  Romney was in bad form to attack the President (15+ / 0-)

    on a day when he received the remains of the victims.  I don't think he gets positive press coverage because of it.

    The President has a clear lead, but it is not insurmountable and with a deluge of polling coming weekly there will be a bunch of data points that could give the impression of a tight race.

    There are 9 battlegrounds right now as it looks like the President is going to back up his ad spend in Wisconsin with a visit.  However, when you cover about 2-3 states per week, you actually run out of places to go, so going to Wisconsin seems pretty easy to do to engage the base.

    We've won the last 2 weeks of this race and that's a great start.  But each week brings its own challenges and the campaign seems to take each week and each campaign visit seriously.  

    For Mitt, I think his purpose is to try to re-energize his base by constantly attacking Obama and trying to remind Republicans why they don't like the President and maybe he pulls a few indies with him.  His interviews and comments this week seem aimed at that.

    For the President, he just needs to keep making the stump speech that speaks of hope, tells the story of what where we've been and where we're going and attack Romney.  He has honed in this message over the summer and the convention validated many of those themes.  Still a long time to election day but I'd rather be in the President's shoes than Mitt Romney's.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:40:34 PM PDT

    •  He's got plenty of red states he can go to, and (0+ / 0-)

      he can support down-ticket races in others.  If he wants a Congress he can work with, he needs to keep supporting Democratic candidates, even if, like with McCaskill, he supports her best by staying away.

  •  Geez, I hope not (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Preibi? (1+ / 0-)
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    What a scary thought.

    A whole troop of them are going to be goose-stepping through my nightmares tonight.

    I do believe that the Republicans will not be able to recover by 2016.

    By 2020, the extremist tea party will only be a bad memory.

    This is my very optimistic prediction.

  •  The teabaggers, who now control the republican (12+ / 0-)

    party,will claim that Romney was not conservative enough, that this is what you get when you go with a "moderate' whose heart isn't truly in the right wing.

    And so they will triple down on their intransigence. And given that they have driven out almost all moderates and  most sane people (appalled by the tea-party nuttiness and extremism) from the GOP, the teabaggers will call the shots.

    So the Republicans even more in thrall to the nutters, will go even farther to the right, even as America become more and more liberal (thankyou millenials). And they will become even more extreme on their attacks on immigrants and on minorities in general even as demographically America becomes majority "minority" and thus driving even more people away, the people who increasingly will decided the future of America.

    A sane party would see all of this, but it's a paradox, that defeat and extremism, by driving the sane and the moderate out of the GOP, actually strengthens the control of the extremists.

    It is his downward spiraling cycle that will spell the end of the GOP as we know it.

  •  I dunno. Can they still win a midterm? (6+ / 0-)

    I thought they were toast in 2008, but they came roaring back in 2010.

    Even if they get mauled this year, even if we win back the House, we still have to have the discipline to turn out and win in 2014. If not, the zombies will rise again.

    And they still have the filibuster. As far as I can tell, nobody is predicting a Democractic supermajority in the Senate in 2012. Mitch McConnell will still be able to block anything and everything.

    As much as I want to think that we're watching the death throes of the Republican party, it seems they still have some cards to play.

    “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:07:23 PM PDT

  •  And when they take over the GOP (2+ / 0-)
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    It will be to make it even more wingnut-conservative- because thats what they think the problem is. They don't lie enough. They don't tell the whole world from the top of fox news that Obama was born to carry Sal Alinskys vision to fruition, funded by Soros. They believe it with their beings and are beyond frustration that the media isn't confirming their beliefs. Even fox is part of the cabal, in their world.

    This isn't the neocons. Heck the neocons are trying to help Romney (it sure helped didn't it). But the neocons are at least smart. The TP faction that has taken over the GOP are not.

  •  This is an astonishing statement here, (10+ / 0-)

    coming from Bryan Fischer. I admit, I had to read it over twice:

    “If Barack Obama wins this election the Republican Party as we know it is finished, it is dead, it is toast — you can stick a fork in it,” he told TPM Friday at the Values Voter Summit in Washington. “And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”
    Yes, ideologues are given to hyperbole, and particularly those on the Right. But the fact that Fischer would even be airing this possibility...wow. Just, wow.

    I agree that the Republican Party in the form we've had it since 1980 or so is basically toast.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:15:45 PM PDT

  •  This is funny (7+ / 0-)
    “And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”
    Haven't they already taken over the party? Perhaps they weren't hostile enough the first time around.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:19:34 PM PDT

  •  Will Romney Implode? I certainly hope so. (5+ / 0-)
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    Will the GOP Survive the Impending Romney Implosion?

    I certainly hope not!

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    CALL EVERYONE YOU KNOW in OH, PA, FL, NC and TX. Make sure they have the ID they need to vote, and make sure YOU are registered and ready to vote!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:20:22 PM PDT

  •  It will absolutely fall deeper into the Crazies... (2+ / 0-)
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  •  They got one thing right (2+ / 0-)
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    It is "amateur hour." But the amateur is Willard, bungling his way into international incidents around the world.

  •  I'm not certain this will happen (2+ / 0-)
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    I know I'm just a coward, but I'm not convinced that the debates will go well, the campaigns, the economy, the burning middle east. I'll worry till the election is over. I don't trust the GOP to play fair, to make sense, not to lie their way into deceitful electoral chicanery.

  •  What I Think Will Happen (3+ / 0-)
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    It might sound crazy, but there's one guy out there that represents the future face of the Republican Party: Scott Brown.  Yeah, sadly, I think Elizabeth Warren isn't going to pull it out.  Her brand of firey populism and tough talk coupled with he Harvard cred and Oklahoma twang just doesn't sit with working class people, who lean conservative.  

    Scott Brown's soft-sell pabulum flavored Republicanism with wiggle room to allow for gay marriage and and abortion, yet still crusade for tax cuts and American exceptionalism is where that party is going to have to go if they want the presidency.  America is moving on - and the GOP is going to have to move with it.  It's going to have to "Clintonize."  And Brown is the one guy who seems to be doing that.  (I don't like him of course, but I can recognize he's got a winning brand.)

    Here's what will happen.  Romeny will lose big.  The GOP elite will say the reason why is because for the past two races we haven't had a "true conservative."  (Joe Scarborough has already started that line.)  The hard right wing of the party will come to the fore and next time out they'll get a slate of extreme right wing candidates the likes of which we've never seen.  And that candidate will lose huge.  38% huge.  

    After 2016, the GOP will have to go into the wilderness and figure out what it wants to be.  By that time, a lot of their older, crazier voters will be pushing up daisies and younger folks will start to get more involved in running for office.  By 2020 or 2024 the GOP will find its footing and come back to us as a saner, milder party - because it has no choice.  

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:25:42 PM PDT

    •  Maybe . . . (0+ / 0-)

      But I see a fly in the ointment of your theory.  The crazy, racist, teahadist base of the Republican Party isn't made up exclusively of old people.  So I think that even in 2020 or 2024, there will still be a signifcant faction within the GOP that insists on the pursuit of firebreathing anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, and anti-woman policies.  One can debate how large that faction will be, but I'm pretty sure it'll still be there.

      This is a problem because, since these people are fanatics, they constitute some of the most committed GOP voters.  Can the GOP alienate them and still win elections?  I think that's doubtful, since the Republicans will have to be able to appeal to a lot of non-white voters if they are to have any hope of assembling national electoral majorities.  Given the reputation they're creating for themselves right now, I just don't see a lot of black, Latino, or Asian voters who'll be willing to trust the Republicans within a decade or so.

      Just my two cents.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:02:14 PM PDT

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  •  my worry & yes, it's a legit worry, is that the (5+ / 0-)
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    25% that believe the rest of us are brainwashed will take it into their heads that they have to be MORE fascists. And that they will take it to the next level because they don't realize THEY are the ones that have been the marks. This is the way you delegitimatize a presidency and provoke a civil war. You lay the ground work that everything the other side says is a lie and that they are trying to take away your freedom. Rise up and stop them....

    Will they rip apart the goper party? Yes they will. Will they take the rest of us down with them. My $$$ is on they will certainly try to.

    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. ~ The Bible says that. Ask Willard aka 'I love America sooo much' Romney

    by yawnimawke on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:29:14 PM PDT

  •  again? (1+ / 0-)
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    “And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”
    Didn't the TP already wipe the prty out enogh to consider them taken over?
  •  It's just a frame. He HAS to lie, so he wants (3+ / 0-)
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    to sell the "both sides are lying" story. Expect him to lie his head off.

    Won't work, either.

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    by Dracowyrm on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:31:51 PM PDT

  •  I can't predict. But I know one thing. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching the blondes and the nitwits at Fox choke on the news after President Obama is reelected.

  •  Point of fact: it's "pwnd" ;) :) (2+ / 0-)
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    i think, as others have noted, the post-mortem for the party will revolve around rMoney not being a "true conservative" adn if only they'd argued strongly for all those hard-core right-wing policies, he'd have won.

    I predict a double-down (or would this make it a triple or quadruple down?) on teh stoopid

    because it certainly can't be that america doesn't really like those policies...noooooooo....never that!

    tip'd and rec'd

    Blessed are the cheese-makers?!

    by pholkhero on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:38:34 PM PDT

  •  Gotta Stop It From Happening Again (2+ / 0-)
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    I agree that the big reaction to November's loss from Republicans will be that they didn't go far enough to the right. They'll think they have to to stop a Democrat from ever being elected again.

    The multi-billionaires and mega-millionaires who threw those huge amounts of money down the toilet will write more checks. Once you get a sucker's nose open you own him, and these guys aren't really the brightest bulbs in the box to begin with.

    But Republicans will re-double their efforts, nationally and even more so locally. They've had tremendous success on the state and local level, destroying the school system, unions, democracy, individual freedoms, and the economy, and a lot of it has been preliminary; they'll keep destroying and on a larger scale.

    A Southerner In Yankeeland

  •  Will Romney denounce the anti-Isamic hate fim? (0+ / 0-)

    Why hasn't the Romney campaign denounced the hateful video that has been fueling the riots in so many Islamic capitals?  Don't they realize that by not denouncing the video, in the eyes of many, they are tacitly approving this video? Haven't they realized that Romney's reproach to statement issued by the U.S. Embassy Cairo can be seen as support for this anti-Islamic video?  George W. Bush was explicit in making it clear that the U.S. policy was against terrorism not Islam.  Why can't the Romney campaign do the same?

    It seems to me, the Romney is claiming that yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre is covered under freedom of speech.

    Nebraska farmers are their own worst enemy.

    by jeturek on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:52:49 PM PDT

  •  "drive them further into the nutty" (1+ / 0-)
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    This is a real fear of mine.  When Obama wins, we're going to see violence, I'm sure of it.  It's a frightening proposition.  Really, I'm afraid.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:58:28 PM PDT

  •  sure they will (0+ / 0-)

    problem is who will be left holding the party together?

    it hasn't been going in the right direction for some time now.

    will they go off the deep end or rein in their idiocy?

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:59:14 PM PDT

  •  Bryan Fischer quote in your diary (post?) (1+ / 0-)
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    “And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”
    It's hard to believe Fischer isn't fully aware that today's Republican Party is a result of a hostile takeover from 2 years ago.

    http://online.wsj.com/...

    A Tea Party Manifesto
    The movement is not seeking a junior partnership with the Republican Party. It is aiming for a hostile takeover.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:05:14 PM PDT

  •  To your title, I say: Let's hope not. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:08:19 PM PDT

  •  Non-wingnut conservatives (1+ / 0-)
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    have got to be asking themselves today whether they can really have any hope of governing again if they tie themselves to the certifiable loony right. They've seen the ideological pretzel they have created with Romney, and they have to be thinking that this model is broken. A generation ago, LBJ recognized that cutting off the poisonous racism of the Southern Dixiecrats was going to send his Party into minority status for a long time. Now, the Republican Party has to decide whether it can afford to hold on to that same poisonous way of thinking. This is a coalition that cannot last, and it cannot last because it cannot win. Knives are being sharpened already.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:10:29 PM PDT

    •  I would recommend (0+ / 0-)

      That any cons that have not totally swallowed the kool-aid just hold their noses and vote for Obama.  Try to keep what microscopic dignity they have left.  Then maybe, just maybe they can rebuild.  But this will never  happen.

  •  It really doesn't matter all that much (5+ / 0-)

    whether the Republican party disintegrates and reconstitutes itself as something else - they're NOT going to become Democrats.

    The real battle is not Democrats versus Republicans, but rather Plutocrats versus the rest of us, and so far, the Plutocrats are eating our lunch.

    The reelection of Obama is vitally important as a finger in the dike, but the American people haven't won anything in November unless ALL of the following transpires:

    1. Obama reelected;
    2. House recaptured;
    3. Senate held;
    4. filibuster eliminated;
    5. media stranglehold on information broken.

    The Democratic party elected representatives are comparatively more likely to push through reforms like clipping the wings of the Wall Street Geckos, reining in the national security state, reversing the wholesale privatization of the public square, etc., but they'll be powerless to do so unless all five of those conditions are met.

    The Plutocrats aren't really that concerned about the short game. The long term trends are skewing in their favor.

    Obama's second term, without recapturing the House and holding the Senate, is going to be four years of paralysis or a string of more legislative wins for the Plutocrats. (Probably the latter, since our President isn't exactly eager to wield the veto pen).

    So, while it's fun to observe the Republican party in disarray right now, their agenda is not in jeopardy unless we seize the power to stop it now. Failing that, it's we Democrats who'll be in disarray two and four years from now.

    At this point, Obama's reelection is virtually assured. It's time to focus our energies on the Congress and the media.

    Don't ask if I'm better off now than four years ago. Ask if I'm better off than I would have been under four years of McCain.

    by WisePiper on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:10:38 PM PDT

    •  A Wise Piper, indeed. (2+ / 0-)
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      It's the long game of the plutocrats and both parties must play it.

      The Democrats have delivered a fantastic stock market and indemnified the criminals in the financial and defense sectors. Plus, they have sucked more fossil fuels out of the ground than any admin, ever, and managed to privatize alternative energy development. That is a guaranteed win.


      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:41:26 PM PDT

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  •  Your electoral math skills (0+ / 0-)

    need an upgrade. First the notion that only those states you showed are swing states is incorrect. I don't see Nevada on that list and it should be. Obama's victory there is far from assured. But even assuming it is, let's look at those swing states that you do mention.

    You claim Obama only needs one of them. Not true, not even close. If Obama lost all but Colorado it would give him 246 EVs to Romney's 292. Even if he added a fairly juicy one like Pennsylvania or Ohio, it only brings him to 266 or 264 respectively. Still not enough.

    The truth is Obama needs at least two and most likely three of those states to assure victory, and again that's assuming Nevada is not in play, far from a safe assumption.

    "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

    by Phil In Denver on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:12:28 PM PDT

    •  Though the diarist did overstate and (0+ / 0-)

      oversimplify things to some extent, the President's reelection is pretty much a gimme at this point.

      Take a look at this chart of tipping point states.

      Don't ask if I'm better off now than four years ago. Ask if I'm better off than I would have been under four years of McCain.

      by WisePiper on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:18:08 PM PDT

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    •  I've been over this before (0+ / 0-)

      here, this was just a drive-by update.  I really don't think Colorado and Nevada are in play anymore, they've been very stable - but if they were, then yes, he would have to recover by winning more than one out of Iowa, Ohio, Wisconson, Virginia and Florida which are currently rated as the "toss ups" by TPM.

      http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

      TPM averages their polls where as ElectoralVote.com http://electoral-vote.com/ goes with the latest and that has Obama up in all of those states by at least 1% (+3 in Florida, +5 in Virginia, +4 Ohio, +1 Wisconsin, +2 Iowa, +2 Colorado, +3 Nevada). They put Obama at 336 to 206 Electoral Votes over Romney, where TPM only puts him just over the line at 274 to 206 with the five primary toss-ups open minus Ohio which they're currently giving to Obama.

      •  That isn't really the point (0+ / 0-)

        I would agree that Colorado isn't really a tossup either, particularly as I live here and it does seem anecdotally to be leaning somewhat toward Obama, enough to convince me that the polls are accurate.

        However, you made a blanket statement that Obama only needs one of the swing states you yourself presented and mathematically it's just not true. No amount of hedging based on previous statements, electoral math, or what some other website calls a tossup will reverse that fact. It's not about what TPM calls tossups, it's about what YOU presented as the tossups.

        Is it important? Well, I think it hurts anyones credibility when they post such obviously inaccurate or at the very least conflicting information. Particularly when their profile within the community is as high as yours. Your often rec-listed diaries serve as defacto representation of all of us, so I think it's more important for someone like you to be factually accurate. You don't want to end up like David Sirota do you?

        Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I speak for most of us here when I say we love your work. We need you to be credible and accurate, otherwise you will inevitably become redstate fodder. That's the first kind of thing the freeper types jump on.

        "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

        by Phil In Denver on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:14:17 PM PDT

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  •  I hope not, but alas yes (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:15:59 PM PDT

  •  Nope, nothin's stops these people. (0+ / 0-)
    finally begin to wake them of from their self-deluded aggrandizations, or simply drive them further into the nutty?

    Will the party wake up, or will it fall further and further into the loving death-embrace of the Ingrahams, Limbaughs, D'Souzas and Priebi who will literally SAY ANYTHING and DO ANYTHING for partisan gain no matter what it does to the country and the world?

    Will they stop only when they hit China and there's no more digging they can do?

    They'll do further into the nutty fer sure.

    Good diary tho'

    Is anybody listenin' ? - by Tori del Allen

    by Dumas EagerSeton on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:18:40 PM PDT

  •  Well, it survived Bush. So it will survive Romney. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Easy answer! (0+ / 0-)

    NOPE.

    Pronounce it like you pronounce "Gee Oh Pea"

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    by therehastobeaway on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:21:11 PM PDT

  •  They can survive if and only if... (0+ / 0-)

    ...they stop letting the tea party call the shots.

    They have to embrace reality and real compromise at some point or they will become extinct.

    It wouldn't be that hard, the tea party has no other place to go.  

    They also have to accept that this is not Mitt Romney's fault, which I'm not so sure they are prepared to do.

    He is truly trying his hardest to espouse every stupid idea they have. The fact that some independents may still believe he's not as "severely" conservative as he insists ironically may be the only thing at this point that's even keeping him competitive.

    You just can't keep doubling down on stupid forever.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:29:53 PM PDT

  •  Yes they can survive (1+ / 0-)
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    they will soon throw Romney under the bus like they did to Dole and focus the SuperPAC money on House and Senate races.

    Dems need to be prepared to link every down ballot race to Romney and the radical Republicans to combat the SuperPAC attacks.

    After the election, Republicans dissolve into chaotic factions, but they remain united in retaining the House and picking up the Senate.

  •  I keep seeing a hand reach across (0+ / 0-)

    ...the chessboard to topple its own queen and forfeit the game. Certainly, that's what I would do.

    In Republican politics, I've noticed that anytime someone new enters the race -- a Fred Thompson or a Rick Perry -- they are instantly catapulted to the top of the polls.

    Then, they open their mouths....

    It's a sad thing for a party to have such a big dose of the dumb running through it.


    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:31:24 PM PDT

  •  To answer your question (0+ / 0-)

    I'm pretty sure I read the same sentiments pretty regularly in the run-up and after the 2008 election.

    Lo-and-behold, the GOP has one of the biggest midterm landslides ever -- because the Democrats spent 2 years of dramatically public agonizing, instead of crafting an agenda, selling it to the public and getting it done. Of course, that was entirely predictable after electing as President a candidate who was determined not to tell us very much about what "Change" meant in terms of actual policy. Unfortunately, in this regard, we find ourselves in almost the same circumstance we did 4 years ago.

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    by FischFry on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:51:32 PM PDT

  •  Yes. Too much money and race hate (1+ / 0-)
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    There will always be a Democratic and Republican party, but what those parties stand for will fluctuate over time. For example, the 1896 Democratic Party was a Southern agrarian party allied with Northern city dwelling Catholic immigrants. Conversely, the Republican party was a Northern manufacturing friendly protectionist party with a strong liberal tradition and overwhelming support in the African American community.

    Note to self, stop before I emulate the habits described in this diary.

    by Rustbelt Dem on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 02:57:01 PM PDT

  •  I think the plural of Priebus (0+ / 0-)


    is Priebuses.

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    by louisev on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:16:06 PM PDT

  •  There's worse than the Republican Party (0+ / 0-)

    "But immigrants will make the racist, xenophobic Republican Party irrelevant", you say.

    Who cares?

    I read (and now I can't find the link) that most US-based voters in the most recent Mexican presidential election voted for the the corrupt, racist, incompetent PAN (Partido de Accion Nacional)

    Republicans may be idiots, but the PAN is even worse.

  •  To be honsest (0+ / 0-)

    I really want a healthy Republican party to survive. The prospect of an ultra far- right party breaking off from it would be quite frightening. The MSM will take them seriously, and sooner or later, they will get some power.  Remember, the Nazis started off as a fringe, far right party that everyone though was being run by a bunch of kooks. That didn't end too well...

  •  cockroaches are masters of survival (1+ / 0-)
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    NOW SHOWING
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    by The Dead Man on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 03:52:28 PM PDT

  •  It took years (0+ / 0-)

    for the radical right to take over the Republican Party, and it will take years for it to fully recover. Right now, most of the rational moderate Republicans have left the party (or rather, the party left them), and are weeping exiles in Babylon. The radicals are whooping it up and strutting around the Republican Party like they own the place. Which they do. The radicals own the brand, just like they dreamed of doing back in the 1980s.

    I can't see the radicals being so demoralized by a Romney loss that it facilitates the moderates' return to power. Nuh uh. There are two "real" political parties in the US: the Democrats and the Republicans. It's only their hold on that brand that gives the radicals any sort of legitimacy; they are not going to be easily dislodged, even after a Romney loss. I can see a path with the moderate independents forming a third party. I can also see a path with them attempting to take back the Republican Party from the radicals. I'm not certain that they'd be successful, but it would certainly be a bloodbath on both sides if they tried.

    With their hold on the Republican brand, I can see the radicals doubling down on teh crazy in 2014 and 2016, because that's all they know how to do. Their overwhelming need for ideological purity won't let them compromise on anything. They see themselves as being "righteous before the Lord," and how can you compromise with God? Even the not-so-religious ones (of which there are very few) can't compromise their ideology; they are RIGHT, at least in their own eyes. To deviate from the Right-ness would be to stray into Wrong. And they can't ever, ever, ever be Wrong. There are some I've met that I really-o truly-o think it would do them mental, emotional, and possibly physiological, harm to actually, truly, grok that they were Wrong. Their certainty about their purity and Rightness are the foundation of their personal identity.

    But I'm a mean bitch, and I'm not inclined to let that stop me from trying to bring their Wrong-ness home to them.     8-)        

    The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

    by Alice Venturi on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 04:10:23 PM PDT

    •  The GOP will eventually split in two (2+ / 0-)
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      The schism with the non-crazy corporatists is inevitable. The crazies will leave, the corporatists will make up for them with Blue Dogs and Conservadems like Artur Davis, and the newly center-right GOP will be able to compete with the newly center-left Democratic party. But the current GOP is untenable.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 04:38:50 PM PDT

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      •  This is certainly one possibility. (0+ / 0-)

        I think you are absolutely right, and there's going to be a schism. The big fight will be over who gets possession of the Republican brand. A lot depends on whether or not those who fled the Party and went independent feel like fighting for their former Party. Some of those were corporatists, but not all. With the corporations willing to buy anyone, no matter which party, their money will go to whichever group they think can deliver best. In essence, I think the corporations will likely have the deciding vote on which group gets to call itself the Republican Party.

        My current bet with myself is that that will be the radicals/tea partyers, because their leadership has shown themselves to be more willing to go all-out for the corporations. Their rhetoric has been, in some cases, wildly anti-corporation/anti-corruption, but their actions tell a different story. If that's the case, I would expect the old-style moderate conservatives that fled (or were kicked out of) the Party to form the new party. Could that compete against the Republican brand? Maybe. Maybe not. It's going to be interesting, either way.

        The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

        by Alice Venturi on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 05:39:05 PM PDT

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        •  I think it'll be the other way around (0+ / 0-)

          The corporatists have been using the crazies for decades. They need them. But the crazies have been steadily veering rightward and are making the party less and less politically viable. Since they can't be tamed, and to keep them in will only ruin things for the corporatists, they'll eventually let them go. It's their party and always has been. Since the end of Reconstruction, really. I don't see that changing. Eventually, the crazies might calm down and rejoin the fold. But the GOP will go on, as a more centrist-leaning party. And just as soulless. It's about money, power and privilege. Period. Always has been, always will be. "Values" are just a way to sell its product and attract foot soldiers.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 06:12:12 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Give that party a shovel! (1+ / 0-)
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    With any luck they'll hit China in 2438 and get run over by a Kenyan.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 04:35:14 PM PDT

  •  Please Vyan. Get a Proofreader! nt (0+ / 0-)

    You're hard to read

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    by Roadrage on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 04:53:13 PM PDT

  •  LOL, reminds of 2008 (0+ / 0-)

    when some Kossacks were proclaiming the end of the GOP, or at least the end of GOP rule for a generation.  

    It appears some people never learn.  Not only will Mitt not lose in a landslide, it's very likely that a republican president will be elected in 2016.  American voters have the attention span of gnats and about the same level of average intelligence.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 05:09:49 PM PDT

  •  They Will Try To Steal The Election (1+ / 0-)
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    Orlaine

    Regardless of what the polls are saying; please remember these people are criminals and will try to steal the election so please dont be confident but be vigilant.

    Is it possible the John Bolton wing of foreign policy along with factions of the Military Industrial Complex set up the entire firestorm in the Mideast in order for Romney to come out hard against the President but Romney jumped the gun with the ill advised press release before they had the facts of the situation? Isnt the timing strange as it happens right after 9/11 and the momentum had shifted to The President?

    I have never been satisfied that factions in the CIA who wanted Reagan President, didnt tip off the Iranians about Carter's desperate attempt to free the hostages and gave them advance information where the helicopters were going to land.

    Do not trust these people to play fair even if it means the death of our people.

    They have ruined the country and realize if they lose this election, it could mean Democratic President for the next 12 plus years and their neo-con right wing financial control over the Republican party is over.

    Even if I am wrong about the setting up of the Mideast violence to taint the President which backfired and the ruining of Carter's election chances; they still cant be trusted abd will do anything to win this election including vote suppression, ballot tampering etc.

    Be vigilant!!!!  

     

  •  Pardon me, but didn't the conservatives... (0+ / 0-)

    ...already stage a hostile take over?  Jeez, you put Mitt Romney on the ballot, and all of a sudden, a hostile takeover's the cure for every problem.

    Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

    by Stephen Daugherty on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 05:48:19 PM PDT

  •  If Obama wins I think violence will ensue (0+ / 0-)

    In my opinion the McVeigh types will be inspired to go into action against the government they'll see a illegitimate. I also believe they're preparing for the event as we speak. Clintons reelection sparked them into action and he wasn't even a kenyan, socialist.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 06:07:11 PM PDT

  •  Well written (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    I say they are going to get nuttier and blame it on not enough voter suppression.

    Their model is finished if not this election then the next. As soon as Texas turns the right is done and maybe, just maybe, the Republican Party will return to it's original beliefs and platform that great Americans like Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt stood for.

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