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E.J. Dionne Jr. says Team Romney is flailing because it knows voters prefer the "moderate progressivism" of Barack Obama to the conservatism of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and needs to change the subject:

The Obama-Clinton alliance, formalized with Bill Clinton’s blockbuster speech at the Democratic National Convention, confirms what has often been played down: President Obama has chosen to build on Clinton’s legacy rather than abandon it.

This is why the 2012 election matters not only to Americans but also to supporters of the moderate left across the world. What’s at stake is whether the progressive turn that global politics took in the 1990s will make a comeback over the next decade, and also how much progressives who embraced markets during the heyday of the Third Way sponsored by Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair will adjust their views to a breakdown in the financial system they did not anticipate.

So far, one can say for certain that they have not adjusted their views anywhere close to enough.

Paul Krugman explains how the Fed's latest round of "quantitative easing" is different from the two previous rounds:

And Republicans, as I said, have gone wild, with Mr. Romney joining in the craziness. His campaign issued a news release denouncing the Fed’s move as giving the economy an “artificial” boost — he later described it as a “sugar high” — and declaring that “we should be creating wealth, not printing dollars.”

Mr. Romney’s language echoed that of the “liquidationists” of the 1930s, who argued against doing anything to mitigate the Great Depression. Until recently, the verdict on liquidationism seemed clear: it has been rejected and ridiculed not just by liberals and Keynesians but by conservatives too, including none other than Milton Friedman.

William Greider looks with a sigh at the Fed's move:
A sweet day for the financial traders does not necessarily translate into good news for Joe Sixpack. Indeed, the story of this troubled era is that what wins for the suits may very well produce opposite result for ordinary folks. What the news stories generally overlooked is that the central bank has already tried this remedy a couple of times and it failed to jump-start action in the real economy, where most Americans toil.
Doyle MacManus, in laying out foreign policy differences and similarities between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, chooses, like myriad other pundits and commentators, the word "pre-emptive" in his description of a possible U.S. military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. "Pre-emptive" means taking action to stop an imminent attack or one that another nation is clearly preparing to take. It's self-defense that has been recognized as legitimate since Hugo Grotius began developing international law four centuries ago. What actually being talked about is "preventive war," attacking a nation that may, someday, if it decides to do so, attack. That is a form of aggression that is expressly forbidden by international law, including the U.N. Charter.

Rebecca Solnit:

The most startling question anyone asked me last year was, “What is Occupy’s 10-year plan?”

Who takes the long view? Americans have a tendency to think of activism like a slot machine, and if it doesn’t come up three jailed bankers or three clear victories fast, you’ve wasted your quarters. And yet hardly any activists ever define what victory would really look like, so who knows if we’ll ever get there?

Sometimes we do get three clear victories, but because it took a while or because no one was sure what victory consisted of, hardly anyone realizes a celebration is in order, or sometimes even notices. We get more victories than anyone imagines, but they are usually indirect, incomplete, slow to arrive, and situations where our influence can be assumed but not proven — and yet each of them is worth counting.  

Leslie Savan evaluates the GOP's "self-mutilating panic":
Republicans may like to fire people, but whom do they hire to make up for the series of self-destructive moves from Clint Eastwood’s upstaging Romney at the RNC to Romney’s blathering on about the Egyptian embassy and Obama’s “disgrace.” Laura Ingraham’s advice—"If you can't beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party. Shut it down. Start new, with new people"—sounds all tough, but it begs the question: Who they gonna call?
Sarah Jaffe points to five liberal pundits who keep attacking teachers:
It's not just politicians falling for the rhetoric of the union-busters when it comes to teachers. Few would dare to demonize police or firefighters' unions the same way they have teachers, who are mostly women, working for decent middle-class wages but hardly getting rich, and in Chicago often working in horrific conditions, with huge classes and in some cases no air conditioning. Yet as the teachers hit the streets and Chicagoans declared support, supposedly liberal pundits echoed far-right talking points about teacher salaries and budget cuts, implied that teachers were hurting students by standing up for their rights and for better conditions in the schools, and argued that not supporting the union was evidence of their independent thought—not their susceptibility to a well-funded message machine or their general contempt for public school teachers.
The five on her list: Nicholas Kristof and Joe Nocera of The New York Times, Dylan Matthews at Wonkblog (Ezra Klein's turf), Matt Yglesias and Jacob Weisberg at Slate.

Bhaskar Sunkara:

The clash between unabashedly pro-[Chicago Teachers Union] leftists like Corey Robin and liberals like Matt Yglesias is rooted in something far broader. It reminds me of a quote I bring up from time to time by Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski. He said the Left bases itself on the experience of history, while the Right is the mere expression of surrender to the situation of the moment. The Left can have political ideology, while the Right has nothing but tactics.

[Dylan] Matthews and Yglesias, though on the center-left in the American context, have little history or ideology. They can’t see the beyond graphs and minutiae. Yes, radicals can do with a bit more empiricism, but these wonks can do with recognizing the implications of political disputes, which go beyond Chicago and beyond even public education, can’t be understood within the dialectic of an Excel sheet.

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown:
It’s more or less over for progressive, liberal Islam. Many of us who’ve tried to keep alive the thoughtful, humane, cultured beliefs and practices of our parents and enlightened scholars can barely breathe or speak after the last wretched week when benighted mobs raved and killed across Muslim countries – some of them newly free and supposedly democratic. The Arab Spring turned to vicious winter and dashed naïve expectations and hopes.[...]

I completely empathise with Muslims who live in hopeless economies, who feel the pain of Palestine, whose destinies have been controlled by the West and their own ruthless ruling cliques for decades. That does not give them permission to behave like rampaging beasts even if severely goaded and provoked.

Those crazies detest their brethren who are unwilling to defend or join in with their grotesque street revelries. Even more hated are insiders with independent minds who criticise enemies of progress.

Katha Pollitt doesn't like Naomi Wolf's latest book:
It’s lucky vaginas can’t read, or mine would be cringing in embarrassment that Vagina is what millions think of as feminism.

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  •  GOP wants a return to 1929 so modern GOP (13+ / 0-)

    is really a misnomer.  I think it was Chris Rock who back in July tweeted some statement about the first July 4 probably not being celebrated by African Americans was taken to task by a Fox talking head for "stirring up trouble" and "denigrating the country"

    However I am willing to concede that Rock is probably correct that while the slaves probably enjoyed the firework displays of the day, it is also likely any with the day off to have time for reflection, would have found it ironic to celebrate freedom in a society that had institutionalized slavery.

    Wingers don't get it because if they did get it, then they would have to admit how wrong they have been and the damage their ideology has done to the country    

    •  So it's really 1850 the "Modern GOP" (7+ / 0-)

      is aiming for

      The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

      by JML9999 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:43:32 AM PDT

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      •  or maybe 1050 (7+ / 0-)

        or maybe I am being too harsh since I remember one state legislator (in NH?) who wanted all laws to conform to the Magna Carta (which would be odd for those who have read the document)

        •   NH House Bill 1580 (10+ / 0-)

          New Hampshire GOP Bill Mandates That New Laws Find Their Origin In 1215 English Magna Carta

          New Hampshire Republicans are taking textual originalism to a whole new level: three lawmakers have proposed a bill that requires that all legislation find its origin not in the U.S. constitution, but an English document crafted in 1215.

          When the legislature reconvenes this month, Republicans want their colleagues to justify many new bills with a direct quote from the 800-year-old Magna Carta:

             House Bill 1580 is the product of such a brainstorming session this summer between three freshman House Republicans: Bob Kingsbury of Laconia, Tim Twombly of Nashua and Lucien Vita of Middleton. The eyebrow-raiser, set to be introduced when the Legislature reconvenes next month, requires legislation to find its origin in an English document crafted in 1215.

              “All members of the general court proposing bills and resolutions addressing individual rights or liberties shall include a direct quote from the Magna Carta which sets forth the article from which the individual right or liberty is derived,” is the bill’s one sentence.

              The Magna Carta, while famed as the first major declaration of rights under English monarchy, is a bit outdated in its actual prose.

          The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

          by JML9999 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:00:08 AM PDT

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          •  The gop wants to return to a rock based economy. (3+ / 0-)
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            This will stimulate the accumulation of sticks and ensure stability in the dirt, water and mud commodities markets.  

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:51:14 AM PDT

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          •  The aptly named firm of solicitors, (2+ / 0-)
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            Kingsbury, Twombly & Vita are located in Mockingbird Lane, In the market town of Runnymeade. Their modern approach to the traditional limits of jurisprudence has caught the interested eye of desperate colonials..

            Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

            by davidincleveland on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:47:50 AM PDT

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      •  Before Sept 9, 1850 (1+ / 0-)
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        when California became a state. Much easier to make a territory do what you want.

        The Spice must Flow!

        by Texdude50 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:58:35 AM PDT

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  •  I have a diary on the Krugman column (4+ / 0-)

    which I posted last night.

    I examine the piece and add a few thoughts of my own.

    If you want, you are invited to read it here.

    Good morning.

    And may your day be filled with joy.


    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:35:21 AM PDT

  •  Katha Pollitt isn't alone. (1+ / 0-)
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    See Toni Bentley's review in the NY Times Book Review on Sunday.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:38:19 AM PDT

  •  Blank Contract (1+ / 0-)
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    I wouldn't trust those city to do right either!
    Say out of the class room till you have it ALL on paper !

    •  sad reality today is that in many states (2+ / 0-)
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      having something on paper does not make it enforceable.  My grandfather always told me the word of an honest man is worth more than 1000 contracts with a scoundrel standing on a stack of Bibles.

      There can be no good faith negotiation when one party not only does not bargain in good faith but also lacks good will  

  •  Thanks for the Mcmanus section. This is area where (0+ / 0-)

    Dems need too show Americans we are diff from Bush and Republicans.  That will require reversing many current policies.

    How did Supreme Court decision ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of PNHP -- they're not waiting, FORWARD now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

    by divineorder on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:45:14 AM PDT

  •  Romney throws in the towel (6+ / 0-)
    VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. — Mitt Romney's campaign has concluded that the 2012 election will not be decided by elusive, much-targeted undecided voters — but by the motivated partisans of the Republican base.

    This shifting campaign calculus has produced a split in Romney's message. His talk show interviews and big ad buys continue to offer a straightforward economic focus aimed at traditional undecided voters. But out stumping day to day is a candidate who wants to talk about patriotism and God, and who is increasingly looking to connect with the right's intense, personal dislike for President Barack Obama.

    Three Romney advisers told BuzzFeed the campaign's top priority now is to rally conservative Republicans, in hopes that they'll show up on Election Day, and drag their less politically-engaged friends with them. The earliest, ambiguous signal of this turn toward the party's right was the selection of Rep. Paul Ryan as Romney's running mate, a top Romney aide said.

    "This is going to be a base election, and we need them to come out to vote," the aide said, explaining the pick.
  •  Reviews of Wolf's book have not just been bad (1+ / 0-)
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    they've been horrendous. To the point where they are funny.

  •  I wish Team Obama would go back on the attack. (5+ / 0-)

    Bring up the tax return issue again.

    I don't like the way we seem to be running out the clock.

    Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

    by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:48:06 AM PDT

  •  "Sugar high" seems to be the phrase of the month.. (4+ / 0-)
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    Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

    by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:49:30 AM PDT

  •  If he can't even run a competent campaign... (12+ / 0-)

    The real question to ask here is what qualifications does Mitt Romney have to be commander in chief if he cannot even manage to run a competent and coordinated presidential campaign? Romneyland is in shambles, and Mitt doesn't seem to be able to fix it. This is our "turnaround artist" who will magically heal the economy and give jobs to every American man and woman? More like a con artist. Romney's message isn't getting through because he has no message to sell. The Republican Party has lurched so far off the mainstream stage and into right wing cuckoo territory that no GOP candidate needing independent or moderate votes can run on the party platform and be competitive. Mitt is losing.    -  principled progressive

    •  problem for Mitt's campaign is that he cannot (11+ / 0-)

      sell off the non-performing sectors.

      •  Story I read last night said he didn't want... (7+ / 0-) fire the campaign manager because then the whole campaign would unravel.

        Yet, he doesn't seem to have a problem doing that to companies.

        I guess it's different when it's his career on the line.

        Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

        by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:10:24 AM PDT

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        •  I wonder at what point he would consider the (2+ / 0-)
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          campaign is unraveling?  If he were Custer, at what point would we say Mitt is at in his campaign and at what point would Mitt say Custer was in serious trouble?
          (for Custer, my answer would be his problems began with Crook's defeat followed by his own decision to not carry Gatling guns or other artillery with him and his refusal of another brigade for reinforcements.  Others may say his failure may have started with his choice of subordinates, just like with Mitt)  

        •  well in truth what would be the point? (6+ / 0-)

          Honestly. What's a new manager going to do? Mitt's problem is really not the manager, bas as he is.

          It's Mitt.

          They've tried every message. Every approach. Every tack. They tried the businessman tack. The Olympics tack. The economy tack. The hate Obama tack. The dog whistle tack. The VP pick tack. The foreign policy tack. They have tried everything. Even a quarter million dollars.

          None of it is working because MITT is the problem.

          So what could a new manager do? If you were brought on, what would you do that hasn't been done and failed before?

          The only thing they could do is get specific on their policy proposals, which seems to be the new conservative CW. But we already know (and I believe Mitt knows) that that will only make it worse.

          The campaign's job is nearly insurmountable. It's not enough to ask "are your better off" or to shout "we built that". Mitt has to 1) get people to like him and trust him. A good way to start that off would be to release the tax returns. But OOPS, that wouldn't help would it? So much for trust. Next task, 2) get Americans to believe that Obama is NOT the solution AND that he is. And that, my friend, is where it breaks down.

          He'd have  hard enough time convincing america Obama doesn't deserve another four years. Hard enough to do. BUT it's not  that simple. People have to conclude that Mitt is the RIGHT person for the job.

          If my current boyfriend sucks, but the local rapist says, leave him for me because he sucks, that's not enough.

          Mitt can't even convince people Obama is the wrong person for the job, much less sell himself as a better solution.

          Management doesn't matter. People don't like him. They don't trust him. And Mitt is not capable of creation likeability. And he refuses to do what's necessary to build trust.

          For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

          by mdmslle on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:29:01 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah, maybe. (3+ / 0-)
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            Guess this is their new strategy:

            With Mr. Obama facing questions about his plans for a second term, aides said that Mr. Romney would re-emphasize “The Romney Plan for a Stronger Middle Class” by spending two days on each of the five elements of that plan: energy independence, education changes, deficit reduction, help for small businesses and freer trade.

            "Freer trade" sounds like a rich target if Team O can move swiftly on it.

            Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

            by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:37:14 AM PDT

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            •  hm. I'll believe it when I see it. (5+ / 0-)

              Mitt's hurdles are monumental. Does anyone believe he even understands the middle class, much less cares about them?

              To me, this is all retread. It's where we were back in April and May. This is all the same "10,000 bet" , "couple cadillacs", and "i never paid less than 13% in taxes".

              His problem is deeper than articulating his "plan" at this point. He has to change the public perception of himself, otherwise nobody listens to his plans or believes what he says he'd do.

              This won't end well for him in part because he can't redefine himself and also because whatever position he takes, guaranteed, there's him on video somewhere else, taking the exact opposite position.

              I don't know. I just have no idea what I'd do if I was brought on to help him. Honestly, I'd probably demand to see the tax returns. What is so fucking terrible in  there? Because I think that's the only way Romney has a remote shot of beginning to build trust. Starting there (unless there's seriously damaging shit in them) and leveling with the American people.

              But he won't do that. Possibly for very good reason. So I just don't see where he goes from here.

              For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

              by mdmslle on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:45:39 AM PDT

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            •  Mitt romney can save a lot of time (4+ / 0-)

              articulating his plans:

              Energy Independence: tax cuts for rich people

              Education changes: tax cuts for rich people

              Deficit reduction: tax cuts for rich people

              Help fro small businesses: tax cuts for rich people


              For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

              by mdmslle on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:47:49 AM PDT

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      •  That would include putting himself on... (0+ / 0-)

        ...the block.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:32:40 AM PDT

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  •  DeathStar GOP Ship reported by First (4+ / 0-)
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    Officer Rush 'ElLardo' Limbaugh........All systems down due to media sabotage. That is all.

  •  Can't help but notice (6+ / 0-)

    every one of the liberal critics of teacher's union is male. This is a big problem.

    •  Can't help but notice?! (6+ / 0-)

      At its core, the hatred of teacher's unions is based on gender issues - the members of a traditionally female dominated profession has the audacity to stand up for themselves.   A bunch of uppity women asking for decent working conditions and a fair contract.  And to think they might actually donate their own money (dues) to support candidates who at the very least don't want to make our lives worse.  

      I've always said that the way to get better funding for public education is to change the gender dynamic in the profession.  Once teaching has gender parity, then things will change.  Sad but true.    

      •  The best way to get better funding (2+ / 0-)
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        for public education is to stop basing funding on local property taxes.  The portion of local property taxes now going to school districts should be directed to the state where it could be equally distributed among all the state's districts.  Local funding is a guarantee of inequality in both facilities and resources.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:07:31 AM PDT

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        •  In Washington State (no income tax) the State (2+ / 0-)
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          collects a property tax for schools and uses a "levy equalization formula" to subsidize districts with lower property valuations--underpopulated rural districts.  Urban districts with large minority and poor populations are subsidizing rural districts.  Meanwhile the rural districts elect legislators who refuse to increase taxes so the aggregate amount of dollars is inadequate.  We additionally have local levies to supplement the State support and while Seattle, Tacoma, etc vote to support these local levies, rural legislators have placed caps on the levies to prevent urban districts from raising and spending more on our students.

          Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

          by ratcityreprobate on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:34:02 AM PDT

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        •  That's how it works in California.. (0+ / 0-)

          and the state has been lowering the amount it returns to the school districts.  That approach is definitely not a panacea.

  •  I don't understand the "huge classes" quote. (0+ / 0-)
    ....Chicago often working in horrific conditions, with huge classes....
    Part of the negotiations is about what happens to teachers in closed or consolidated schools because the city has something like 135,000 "empty seats" in the current system.

    And, before anybody screams BS, you do have to take into account that the city lost about 250,000 citizens during the last census, so it's entirely possible there are too many schools.

    Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

    by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:03:18 AM PDT

    •  Empty seats does not = small classes (1+ / 0-)
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      It's a staffing issue,  How many what is the student/teacher ratio?  Ask for the calculation to be based on classroom teachers/student.   Do not include paras - important, but not trained teachers.  Empty seats really means nothing.  You can have a closed schoolful of empty seats.  What good does that do?  

      •  Is this alot? (0+ / 0-)
        Student/teacher ratio

        20.0 pupils per teacher in elementary schools

        24.6 pupils per teacher in high school

        Seems about the numbers in my suburban schools.

        Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

        by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:40:55 AM PDT

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        •  Guess that was in 2009. (0+ / 0-)

          Now, according to this article, it's 16-to-1

          And, like I said, it makes sense. Chicago has been bleeding population, especially in African American parts of the city where, presumably, the overcrowding would have existed.

          Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

          by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:43:58 AM PDT

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        •  a lot (0+ / 0-)

          of schools have already been closed

          And the uptick in neighborhood violence that has resulted is traceable, in part, to the subsequent decline of neighborhood cohesiveness and stability.

          Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

          by KibbutzAmiad on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:46:32 AM PDT

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        •  It depends on how they calculate it (0+ / 0-)

          Many school districts divide the student population by the total staff, so you might have special needs teachers who work with individual students or small groups for 45 minutes, para, speech therapist/, psychologists, OT's, reading teachers who work in a class for 45 minutes a day, and a classroom teacher who has 28 kids all day.

          My sons went to a HS that supposedly had a student/teacher ratio of 1:15 and not one of them was e er in a class of less than 25.  27-29 was pretty typical.

      •  To add... (0+ / 0-)

        ...overall ratios are also pretty meaningless. It's easy to have a low ration b/c of closed or shuttered facilities and differentials in spending across the system while also having many people working in terrible conditions.

        "Two things that were left out of the bill of rights: the right to leave and the right to change one's mind" --Veronika, in Eustache's La Maman et la putain

        by ed k on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:53:35 AM PDT

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  •  Good morning, peeps (2+ / 0-)
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    #1: Happy 1st #OWS anniversary. There's expected to be a massive turnout in NYC and other places today. Although it's a huge shame that we've gone from demanding justice and equal economic rights to begging for camping rights. I wish I could be there. If I did, I'd have a sign for the NYPD reading, "How does it feel to defend the same jackals that looted your pension fund?"

    #2: If this presidential election was a Little League game, the mercy rule would've been enforced long ago. Obama can run a Rose Garden campaign at this point. May we please just end this farce and give Obama four more years so Romney & Ryan can stop humiliating themselves before the entire planet earth?

    #3: As much as I hate to say it, Pottersville may be moving down south to Florida and that's going to require some help. More details here.


    Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

    by jurassicpork on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:03:27 AM PDT

  •  We're just not that into them. (1+ / 0-)
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    by Floyd Blue on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:12:12 AM PDT

  •  It won't work, either (0+ / 0-)

    We need measures that create mass demand among the poor, the working class, and the ordinary people of America.

    That means you have to put money in the hands of people who want and need to buy stuff that can only be provided if employers hire people, themselves, to crank up production.

    Heck, Atrios is right.

    For lack of a better idea, just give people free money.

    LOTS of free money, spread out over a longish period.

    •  indeed it seems as if "Keynes" is no longer taught (1+ / 0-)
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      in schools.

      But then, the goppers "don't believe in Keynes", sort of like they "don't believe in evolution or atmospheric science".

      The only reason I still have hope is because in the end, reality always wins. Reality is a stubborn thing, and it never goes away.

      •  Economics is not taught at all (2+ / 0-)
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        in K-12 schools, and it's not a basic requirement in any college or university I know about.  People get a general idea of microeconomics just by having to arrange an income and pay their bills - it's called "personal finance" - but Keynes dealt with the macroeconomy, which most people can't even define.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:19:29 AM PDT

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  •  Occupy's problem was not lack of a goal (4+ / 0-)
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    It was lack of an organization. The whole "decision-making by committee of the whole" thing was a recipe for unceasing ideological argument and inaction. Occupy had very few experienced organizers, and (because of its "nobody can make decisions" ethos), it didn't listen to the ones it had. The result was a ship that was intentionally rudderless--and it went nowhere.

    Occupy also abandoned the goal that it had set from the beginning---Occupy turned its goal from "Wall Street" to "Occupy", and thus changed the fight from one against the corporations for economic justice (which people everywhere were willing to join and support) into a fight against the cops over who can sleep in a park (which nobody cared about and which nobody was willing to join and support).

    As a movement, of course, Occupy was an enormous success--it changed completely the terms of political discourse in the US. The entire election debate in 2012---over Bain Capital, over outsourcing, over tax rates for the rich, over class warfare--came directly from Occupy. But as an organization, Occupy was an abysmal failure, which is why it is now just a shadow of its former self, and struggles simply to keep existing.

    All of the reasons why Occupy appeared, still continue--none of them have gone away--and the Democratic Party is incapable of dealing with them. So even though Occupy itself has pretty much ended, its fight has not. It is inevitable that a new organization will appear with the same goals, and while it probably won't be Occupy, its active core will come from Occupy.

    •  Occupy's best contribution to the (2+ / 0-)
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      public discussion of the economy was their 99% vs 1% sloganeering.  But even that is now fading, as the political discussion is reverting to the importance of the deficit.

      The release of Bob Woodward's book is, as usual, making things worse, as it has turned the chattering classes' attention back to arguments about whether the deficit is better addressed by tax increases or spending cuts.

      Unless the president keeps pushing his "spending to create jobs" message - consistently and publicly - the priority of deficit reduction will once again become the paramount  concern of the voting public.  If he once again jumps on the deficit reduction train, all hope for creating jobs and growing the economy will be lost.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:30:53 AM PDT

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  •  It won't work, continues (0+ / 0-)

    Oh, none of that will happen.

    We're going to lose the senate and we sure won't get back the house.

    Best we can hope for is gridlock with Obama in the White House.

    And he'll probably give away half the store.

    Still, better than Mitt who would burn down the store.

    •  I guess you haven't been paying attention (0+ / 0-)

      to polls. But I see you're new here, so that's okay.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:37:59 AM PDT

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  •  The economy doesn't need a jump start. (0+ / 0-)

    It needs regular oil changes, clean spark plugs and tight belts so no energy goes to waste.
    When the Fed injects dollars, it's just replacing the lubricant that got used up or went missing.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:42:06 AM PDT

    •  We need to stop expecting the private sector (3+ / 0-)

      to make up for the jobs lost in the public sector. The way that all other presidents have gotten us out of recessions is by public spending, not hoarding dollars to pay for deficits and Pentagon spending.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:39:16 AM PDT

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  •  The only thing I am worried about (1+ / 0-)
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    is when the GOP is backed into a corner.  What I mean is that when everything is stripped from their arsenal, the next thing is voter tampering a la 2000.

    Without such tactics, has the GOP (with small exceptions) ever won something fair and square?

    The news about the polls is wonderful.  However, I will not have a sigh of relief until Nov. 7th when Romney and Ryan are soundly beaten while the Congress flushes out the Teabagger placeholders once and for all.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:22:50 AM PDT

    •  fascists cannot win democratically, but they CAN (1+ / 0-)
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      win UN-democratically. Vote-tampering?  Why bother--they can just declare a "national security emergency" and suspend elections---and most Americans will either actively cheer it or shrug and go back to watching "American Idol".

      If that happens, I hope we in the US are better at fighting fascists (literally) than the Weimar republic was.

  •  That 1990s "progressive turn" of global politics (1+ / 0-)
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    was more accurately a continuation and acceleration of the neoliberal policies the Right started in the 1980s, spearheaded in the 90s by centrists who tried to blend neoliberalism with liberal policies on social issues. When the markets crashed in 2008 and millions lost their job, this was precipitated by three decades of unabated deregulation under the watch of politicians from the Right to the Center-Left. And unfortunately, whether entirely by choice or to some extent due to seeing no alternative in the face of events, Obama has done little so far to correct this course.  

  •  Liberal 'pundits' kissing up to Rahm Emanuel (2+ / 0-)
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    Thats all their 'brave' dissing of Chicago's teachers is about. Naked careerism at its most, well, naked. After all, every 2nd rate liberal scribbler wants to keep on Rahm's good side. He pals around with Obama. Heck, he might run for national office himself in a few years. Those teachers? Nobody cares what they think. Its not like theyre ever going to be invited to the A list cocktail parties.

  •  WE NEED TO BUILD SOME SHIT! (2+ / 0-)
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    (excuse me)

    it failed to jump-start action in the real economy, where most Americans toil
    It doesn't really matter too much what that is, but it seems like it would make sense for it to be something that we need; clean energy, 21st century infrastructure, water treatment plants, new transportation, etc.

    Romney's plan is to expand the deficit to build a bunch more military stuff ( star wars). He would rebuild the Iron Curtain (Reagan would be rolling over in his grave). That would stimulate the Russian economy.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:46:35 AM PDT

  •  You want to talk unravelling (3+ / 0-)
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    Chuck LMAO Todd had Bay Buchanan on his show this morning as Mittty surrogate to the slaughter and it was utterly fascinating as she began the defence of Mitt with some hilarious straw clutching as to the way things currently stand:

    The giste of things according to Baybe

    NC has moved into 'our' column [the night is young]
    We're gaining in the swing states [yes NC and....]
    We had an amazing convention [so you're a Democrat?]
    We're gaining in a blue state, Wisconsin [1 bump poll doesn't = 10 EVs]
    The swing states are moving to us [sure... OH, VA...]
    We have shifts in Gallup & Ras [given the summer, mainly away from Romney]

    "There's no question in my mind - the momentum and energy is with us!"

    She dissed Erickson as never being onboard the Romney Choochoo and then we get this from the Idiot in Chief...

    Erick Erickson ‏@EWErickson
    Bay Buchanan says I was never with Team Romney. True. But I prefer him to Obama & dare say I'm more objective about the campaign than her.

    Chuck sat there and smiled.

    My jaw hurts from being wide open for 10 brain cell sapping minutes....

    "Never trust a man who, when left alone with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on!!"

    by EcosseNJ on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:52:24 AM PDT

  •  MSNBC should replace some of their prison docs (3+ / 0-)
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    with a look at what's going on in our school system.

    I'm of the mind that we need to start our effort to fix education with hiring more teachers and reducing class size.

    The teacher's unions probably should allow school administrations more flexibility in firing people, but we should pay teachers more and hire more.

    Problem mostly solved.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:56:05 AM PDT

  •  Finger pointing starting in the Romney campaign (2+ / 0-)
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    Even Jennifer Rubin is in despair. Her solutions would be the quickest path to an Obama victory I can think of, but give her credit for being completely blind to why these people AREN'T out there in front of the media:

    There are at least five things the campaign is doing or not doing that dull and dampen its message and drive conservatives nuts.

    Poor surrogates: Where are the best voices, and why are they not day in and day out coordinating on a single message? John Bolton on foreign policy. New Gingrich on radical jihadism. Paul Ryan on anything. John Sununu on Obama criticism. They are all top-flight and too rarely seen. Week by week and day by day, the campaign lacks a coordinated and consistent message presented by the most forceful advocates. Put the policy people out to explain policy. Let the Obama team put out the hacks.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:57:02 AM PDT

  •  Please stop reinforcing Sarah Jaffe's (and Bhaskar (1+ / 0-)
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    Sunkara's intellectual laziness or ignorance by repeating designations like this without challenging the accuracy of the label. If you had put quotes around liberal I wouldn't have commented, but by failing to differentiate between your writing and Sarah Jaffe's in this important respect you adopt her wrong definition of the writers referenced here as

    five liberal pundits who keep attacking teachers:
    The named writers are NOT liberals, and labels matter. If labels weren't important we wouldn't use them in language, and lying conservatives wouldn't have been able to corrupt them by going Humpty Dumpty and assigning fresh meanings to previously-agreed-to designations.
    Nicholas Kristof and Joe Nocera of The New York Times, Dylan Matthews at Wonkblog (Ezra Klein's turf), Matt Yglesias and Jacob Weisberg at Slate..
    may be progressives, and if any progressives wish to claim them I won't quarrel over it, since I am not a progressive and therefore have no right to do so. Progressives have the intellectual and moral right to self-identify and enlarge their tent all they want, unless the would-be includees object.

    Consider this comment my formal objection, to every progressive ally on Daily Kos: If you want liberal cooperation after 11/06/2012, stop mutilating us by assigning our brand to non-liberal thinkers and writers. We liberals have endured having conservatives demonize us by lumping everything to the left of them as liberalism. We have endured the attempt by progressives to co-opt our label while dismissing many of our principles as last century or 19th century or 18th century.

    Most of our endurance has been silent suffering, which allows non-liberals assumptive room to think us either in agreement with their assessment of us or too intellectually weak to challenge their presumption. However, there are sticking points, lines chiseled in stone, deal breakers. Trashing us liberals by calling either union bashers or teacher bashers liberals is one such point, line or deal breaker.

    We liberals support police unions, and supported the Air Traffic Controllers against Reagan despite how those unions vote and voted, because they are unions formed for the betterment of their membership and by extension the future of society. We liberals have never failed to support teachers, for the same reason, even in those rare instances where a local teacher's union was less than kosher about equality.

    No writer gets to claim our mantle unchallenged by us, while bashing teachers or unions. No non-liberal commenter gets to assign our label to such people unchallenged by us, since such a designation makes a total mockery of our label. It is the equivalent of white people deciding to re-label me African American when I've already self-designated myself black. It is the equivalent of every sort of post-Columbus immigrant American descendant deciding it is more convenient to lump pre-Columbus immigrant American descendants as Indians, even if those so designated object.

    MB, I think of you as a liberal, and I'm perfectly willing to quarrel with fellow liberals over what I've written here. This thread is neither the time or the place for that full discussion, and (believe me) this is only my preamble. If you, MB, disagree with me on this specific labelling issue we can have a nice, civilized, scholarly donnybrook in a diary written (by either of us) for that purpose. [Cue my absolute jitters at the thought of trying to take you on intellectually, coupled with my determination to stand by my point until it is demolished to both our satisfaction.]

    To other kossaks: Please don't think of this as a Princss6 callout of MB, claimed by that kossak to be necessitated by MB's supposed "failure" to "properly and up front" declare his scorn for a writer whose work he offered in his roundup. In that case, I agreed with MB's decision to treat us readers as grownups who could and should approach the writer's offering without the limiting pre-filter of MB's opinion. In this case, I'm objecting to MB's apparent use of a label for writers who have no right to it. If such an apparent designation by MB was not his actual intention, if MB was merely quoting Sarah Jaffe' misuse of the label, he should have designated the choice of label as hers, with quote marks.

    Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

    by davidincleveland on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:37:04 AM PDT

    •  Labels are problematic, to be sure. I agree... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...with your overall take here. Without getting into the details, however, there is overlap, and many liberals have been willing to call themselves progressives. Some of us started using "progressive" in the 1960s because "liberal" often meant "Cold War liberal" and had other problems the Phil Ochs once described all-too-accurately.

      I'd personally love to use "radical" as a self-designation, but that term has also been tainted by being associated with "extremist," which is unfortunate.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:45:16 AM PDT

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      •  Yes there is overlap, and I usually don't have a (0+ / 0-)

        problem with liberals who call themselves progressives, for exactly the reasons you named. Phil and I had several long discussions about the label and labels in the very early '60s, and while I freely acknowleged to him that his take on some self-declared liberals was deadly accurate, I also insisted that it was all the more reason to demand a return to the original meaning of the word by rejecting those cold war-mongers hijack of a label they had no right to. It was almost the only subject we ever discussed where we disagreed and he stuck to his original view.

        I 've got to admit I have certain inflexibilities on some subjects. I am now old, and Phil is years dead, but of all his songs the one which is hardest for me to listen to is still "Love me, I'm a liberal" just as it was when he wrote it. Many of his songs have a special resonance for me because I actually had input on some of their thoughts or wording, and in one case, "The Highwayman," on the fact that he put it to music, but not on that one about liberals. We agreed to disagree about who had a right to use the label "liberal." Perhaps, as old people do, I was actually channeling those days and conversations in the sharpness and length of my original comment.

        Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

        by davidincleveland on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:49:21 PM PDT

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  •  Pre-emptive vs. preventive war (0+ / 0-)

    MB, thanks for raising this point. It cannot be emphasized enough. Preventive war is illegal under international law.

    As far as I can tell, Israel's first strike in the 1967 Six Day War was clearly legal. An attack on Iran would be just as clearly illegal.

    Similarly, our 2003 war on Iraq was a preventive war, and illegal under international law.

  •  re:Y A Brown,"behave like rampaging beasts" (0+ / 0-)

    ...Can it B that pundits look at the spread of Muslim, as some of them choose to interpret their religion based outrage, in
    a mistaken light?
    As one Muslim country after another takes their
    turn at Soccer Game like
    violence couldn't their seemingly competitive like physical actions  be looked at as "MUSLIM OLYMPICS"?
    My suggestion for consideration as a response to a demonstration is for our government to choose one of the violent demonstrating Muslim countries, the one of absolutely least

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