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I've been hearing a lot of people talk about  how vicious and cruel the Islamic peoples are who protesting around the world are.  How could they possibly react like this to something as trivial as a movie?  Don't they know how much money we send to the Middle-east?  What a bunch of savage ingrates! How Dare They?

People like Joe Scarborough.

Scarborough added: “You know why they hate us? They hate us because of their religion, they hate us because of their culture, and they hate us because of peer pressure.” He said that anyone who believes “we’re going to go over there and change them” is “naive.”

They are the ones with a culture of religious intolerance and hate?  Really?

Yeah, well - how soon we forget. (Martin Scorcese and the Last Temptation of Christ Controversy and Protests)

And then there was this.... (Sinead O'Connor Protest Sexual Molestation in the Catholic Church by ripping a picture of the Pope)

Yeah, people's hatred over her criticism of the pope and rampant sexual abuse of children within the church ended Sinead O'Connors career.  Nice priorities there.

Then there's these guys. (Dixie Chicks Dare to say their ashamed of George W. Bush)

And we know how when movies or musicians speak out in a controversial way - people "understand" - even when what they have to say can be pretty insulting and rude.

Or even when it isn't that insulting.  And it doesn't involve a religious figure, but instead someone else they "worship". (Bomb and Death Threats against Time Warner and Ice T for the Bodycount song "Cop Killer" - even Arsenio received threats simply for putting Ice on the Air)

There are lots of Sacred Cows out there.

Lots.

Vyan

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  •  Thanks Vyan- I saw that and it (5+ / 0-)

    was infuriating.  Scarborough was bad enough with his "they hate us because they hate us and all the intelligence people tell me they'd all love to throw rocks at us" bullshit was bad enough.

    The rest of the crew sitting there in stony silence, as though no one could possibly argue with this brilliant analysis, was even worse.

  •  I didn't have time to post this (1+ / 0-)
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    MsSpentyouth

    before I left for work this morning, but I did a search and no one had posted about it yet. (I did post it on my FaceBook page.) Thanks for putting it out there!

    Came for the politics, stayed for the pooties.

    by DreamyAJ on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:11:27 AM PDT

  •  Talk about false equivalency (6+ / 0-)

    Yes, some Christians protested the movie The Last Temptation of Christ.  They went to the theaters showing it and held signs, chanted. Some of their talk was hateful.

    Did they kill anyone? Did any of them get arrested? Did the producer/director/actors have their house burned?  Did they chant "death to Scorcese"? Did any religious leader put out a decree that Weinstein or Scorcese should be killed?

    More importantly, did Christians blame the film on the United States of America, and attack government buildings? Or, since Weinstein produced it, did they blame Israel and attack the Israeli embassy?

    It's not the same thing.  We rightly call out the Westboro Baptist Church for their ignorance and hatred.  We rightly call out those who would take the most controversial of Reverend Wright's remarks and tar and feather President Obama with it. We should do no less here and call out those who commit violence and hate over this film  

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:16:00 AM PDT

    •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
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      There is no excuse for killing people over a video, I don't care how insulting it might be. Religious people of all faiths need to realize that not everyone shares their beliefs, and get over it.

      At the same time, the guys who made this trashy video purposely shouted fire in a crowded theater. They too should face some accountability--it's not like this reaction couldn't be predicted...

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:25:15 AM PDT

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    •  These situations are all different (2+ / 0-)
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      from each other.  I'm not saying their equivalent at all, but they are similar.  They are all expressions of Rage because someone does something they don't like.

      But since you brought it up, yes - people took their criticism from the specific film - such as Last Temptation - to the film company that made the movie.  In the video I posted, Willem Defoe talks about needing security for his protection due to death threats for his role in the film.

      People did take their criticism of Bodycount's song, and then went after the record label, Time Warner, that produced the song.

      Time Warner Offices received Death and Bomb Threats.  Listen to the Ice T interview, Arsenio talks about how the Police threaten not to serve or protect him if he needed it simply because he decided to have Ice T on his show.

      Also, let's point out, that the attack in Benghazi was not connected to the film, it was retaliation for the death of al Qaeda's latest Number #2.  They simply used the protest as cover for an attack they'd already planned - I'm not linking these example with the attack or anyones death, because they aren't linked.

    •  If you want examples of Christian Murder/Terrorism (3+ / 0-)
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      You came to the right place.  I got plenty of examples.

      But it's easiest to simply to go to the daddy of them all, "Rev." Donald Spitz and his so-called Army of God.

      There you will find glory tributes to Murderers such as Paul Hill (Shotgunned an Abortion Doctor and his Bodyguard), Shelly Shannon (Firebombed Women's Clinics, Shot George Tiller, but he survived), Eric Rudolph (Atlanta Olympic Park Bombing, Bombed Women's Clinics and Gay Nightclub) and Scott Roeder (Murdered George Tiller).  Believe it or not, all of these people know each other, and have been working on coordination and support for years.

      There's numbers are smaller than the other "Army of God" (aka Hezbollah) but they have racked up a body count.

      Still, I would say that what they've done is more akin to the Benghazi Attack than the Embassy protests.  I wasn't putting the protests on that level because they don't belong there.  

      There is a difference between protesting in front of an embassy vs invading and burning it vs  bulldozing and burning Dixie Chicks records, bulldozing and burning BodyCount records, bulldozing and burning Temptation of Christ DVD's in protest, not to mention issuing death threats and bomb threats to all the above - but not that much of a difference.

  •  thanks Vyan (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:34:05 PM PDT

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