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I first found out about the now infamous 'Romney Tape' on or about August 24th.

The first portion I saw was the 'Chinese Factory' snip, and, as the plight of the workers in the factories that make all our cheap crap for next to nothing is a cause dear to my heart I immediately began putting together a diary. My computer was a tangle of open tabs as I did my research, hoping to put up a decent diary on Romney's comments.

Then, I found something weird: the video had been posted to a fake Rachel Maddow account on YouTube. I started to find comments on other sites questioning the authenticity of the tape.

I deleted my work in progress, and became one of the doubters.

As the various snippets of Romney's remarks began to appear, I became concerned: why the fake Maddow account, why hasn't any 'official' media source taken it up, etc.

As much as I wanted it to be true, as I said in one comment over the past few weeks "My 'Breitbart Sense' is tingling!." I had visions of a 'Dan Rather' coming back to bite us in the ass if we ran with it while so many questions existed.

My thinking went back to the old "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

I think for me, as well as many others who pushed back against running with the videos, a sense of protection for our beloved Kos kicked-in. The nature of the remarks was so damning that I thought 'we sure as hell better be right on this one!'

I only dropped one 'donut' - that on the day of the endless 'spamming' of pieces of the tape - but I did engage in more than one discussion about the wisdom of going with the tapes while there were so many unanswered questions.

I haven't read all the comments on all the threads about this issue, but, for the most part what I saw was an honest debate about how to handle the issue.

That's what sets us apart from many other sites. We can have open discussions without 'HR mania flame wars.'

I got my most heated about 24 hours ago, and I kinda 'called-out' a diarist with a 500,000 plus UID whose account was created less than a week before the Rachel Maddow situation and authored only one diary, which was about the tapes. I promised a 'mea culpa' if I was wrong, so here it is.

I as well as others appear to have been totally wrong on this, so I apologize for the times when I pushed my rhetoric beyond civility. That said, I don't apologize for expressing my sincere doubts about the issue when I did: in my mind, that's what DailyKos is about. It's our duty to question when we truly believe questions are required.

(I was even worried when Ben LaBolt and Lis Smith were tweeting about it. Romney pretty much confirmed that it's all legit in his presser.)

Anyway, more than anything, I'm sooo glad it all turned out to be true.

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  •  Tips for rMoney, for doing us another favor. (20+ / 0-)

    draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

    by quinn on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:49:06 AM PDT

  •  We all cross the civility line at some point (2+ / 0-)
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    Smoh, quinn

    What makes the difference between a decent human being and a jerk. Decent human beings apologize when they are wrong.

    Thanks for being a decent human being.

    I missed this entire debate, so I can't say which side I would have come down, so I will reserve judgement of those who were skeptical, since I might have been among them.

    But their is skeptical. Then their is skeptical AND RUDE.

    The latter have an obligation to apologize.

    •  Well, I was both, so..... (0+ / 0-)

      draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

      by quinn on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:14:44 AM PDT

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    •  Nah. Not all of us cross teh civility line. My (1+ / 0-)
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      quinn

      wife posts here and she has never crossed it, and will never cross it, and there are MANY others who will not as well.

      But some of us, including myself, have for sure.  I was camping in Yellowstone and missed it.  But thanks to diarist for  explaining and being accountable.

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      by divineorder on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:37:18 AM PDT

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  •  I've been thinking about this all morning. (4+ / 0-)

    It has become such an important part of the news cycle, that I bet Kos gets angrier and angrier.  I don't even know if I was part of it.  I don't trust myself to spot trolls so I follow where others lead.  Makes me think I should forget I have a hide button.  A few times I've been POSITIVE someone was a troll only to find no one else thought so.  Several of those were banned in a few weeks.  Anyway, if I'd been there, I would have followed the crowd and that no longer seems like a great strategy.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:00:22 AM PDT

    •  Hey, introspection is a good thing. Sometimes we (0+ / 0-)

      go off half-cocked and regret it. Personally, in all the years I've been here, I've only hit the 'HR' a handful of times.

      It's funny, I get upset when I lose my TU status due to long periods of not logging in, but when I get it back I rarely feel compelled to use 'the power of the Hide button.'

      draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

      by quinn on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:13:24 AM PDT

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    •  When the videos were posted here first, by (1+ / 0-)
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      anneonymous, that diarist said they had been given to DAvid Corn - ALREADY - and to expect an expose from him soon. So it wouldn't have mattered either way. There was no way Daily Kos was getting this scoop. So let's stop the self flagellation.

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:46:55 AM PDT

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      •  'K (1+ / 0-)
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        Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

        by Smoh on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:28:18 AM PDT

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      •  I never caught the David Corn reference in (0+ / 0-)

        my initial look at the tapes last month.

        Again, I'm not apologizing for expressing my opinion, just the manner in which I did it.

        I apologize for the times when I pushed my rhetoric beyond civility
        No 'self flagellation' here! You were on that thread last night, so you saw me - as I feel, at least - crossing a line that I usually don't, and I feel bad about that part of it.

        draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

        by quinn on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:45:24 AM PDT

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  •  You shouldn't apologize. (5+ / 0-)

    You should just comb your hair out to the side and tell us that your previous comments were inelegantly stated. Then you should give terse answers to questions, smirk, and walk away. You would be well on your way to life as a clueless 1 percenter.

  •  HR's on a opinion website just don't make (1+ / 0-)
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    sense IMO.

    Especially when you factor in the Lord of the Flies mentality with which they are usually given with here on Kos.  

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    by Farkletoo on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:25:53 AM PDT

  •  At The Time, It Looked Fishier Than A Koi Pond (2+ / 0-)
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    mamamorgaine, quinn

    There's no point blaming oneself for drawing the wrong conclusion when given misleading data. After all, that's why more than 1% of the population votes Republican.

    The root problem is that the diarist's answers to queries boiled down to "You Have To Believe Me".

    On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

    by stevemb on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:28:40 AM PDT

    •  Agreed, but note: (1+ / 0-)
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      this part of my diary:

      I apologize for the times when I pushed my rhetoric beyond civility. That said, I don't apologize for expressing my sincere doubts about the issue when I did: in my mind, that's what DailyKos is about. It's our duty to question when we truly believe questions are required.
      There were times when I now feel I was being uncivil - a dick, if you may - so that's what I'm apologizing for.

      draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

      by quinn on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:25:16 AM PDT

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  •  On the sixth diary in 20 minutes, I commented: (1+ / 0-)
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    quinn

    "Alright already. Sheesh."

    Sorry if I was out of line.

    Pardon our dust. Sig line undergoing renovation.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:37:14 AM PDT

    •  Don't feel sorry about that..... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....I HR'd what I think was the 9th diary (and apparently the one that actually HID the tip box).

      I don't feel sorry about that, just about kinda being a 'dick' about it along the way.

      draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

      by quinn on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:48:54 AM PDT

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  •  You shouldn't apologize for... (3+ / 0-)
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    mamamorgaine, Fordmandalay, quinn

    ...being a "doubter".  There were plenty of legitimate reasons to doubt the veracity of those diaries.  I can't say if they were troll-rating-worthy, but suspicion was entirely warranted.

    I hope we're not aspiring to be a place where we indiscriminately fling mud on the wall and justify it by pointing out that once in a while it sticks.  

    What really happened?  The videos were posted here, we said, "not yet, let's wait until they've been proven legit," we waited, they were proven legit, and now we're talking about them. What did we lose?  A few days?  Not that big a deal, with the election almost two months away. Credit for "breaking" the story?  I, for one, couldn't care less who gets credit for it. I'd rather we got credit for trying to adhere to journalistic ethics, or whatever passes for such on the internet.

  •  Doubt and caution were warranted. (1+ / 0-)
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    The "battle" and the HR swarm was not.

    There was no fault in posting a "this may be fake" comment, or even a snarky "who's the actor playing Romney".  But the HRs?  Why?  What justified the self-righteous certainty of going beyond questioning authenticity and into "hide, and banish"?  The swarm of wannabe executioners was a little . . . disquieting . . . (as is the authoritarian impulse wherever it appears).

    I don't even see the "problem" with dividing the video into multiple snippets (on different topics) in multiple posts.  That seemed to me to facilitate discussion of Romney's positions (and duplicity) on various issues, and it's done with speeches and press conferences all the time.

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:43:20 AM PDT

  •  Much more elegant (1+ / 0-)
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    quinn

    apologies are so much nicer than asking for one

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:47:36 AM PDT

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