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I have only one friend that I am still friends with that is conservative. The reasoning is that we grew up together from 1st to 5th grade. If not for the fact that we grew up like brothers, we would not be friends. However, I recently have had enough of his political posts and have been responding back to his as well as posting my own. All of my posts are respectful and insightful. The most recent dialogue is on the Romney videos. He of course agrees with them, him being a son of a wealthy anesthesiologist and himself being one now too.

His most recent post was this:
"if you only saw the people that we see all the time...

That aside, my main issue is sustainability. It is impossible to fuel a never-ending parade of elderly and disabled. When people have fewer kids, and the elderly swell and balloon, there will not be enough to pay for them all. It is unfair to siphon off more and more from others to fund these never-ending black holes. Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the like are endless programs that were short-sightedly implemented without thinking about the long-term cost. It is impossible to sustain, even if you did take an even greater percentage of other's income. What it really comes down to is fairness between people, and blatant, ever-more present income redistribution is not fair."

please help me nicely dissect his post part by part and come up with a response that you think will be as powerful as my response to his belief in the death penalty even though he is a staunch catholic. " god said thou shalt not kill, not, thou shalt kill only when you deem it right to."

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  •  I don't know, I think the Kool Aid has been drunk (0+ / 0-)

    Sometimes we just have to step back and realize there are some people who are just lost.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:41:07 AM PDT

  •  He has Obama Derangement Syndrome. (0+ / 0-)

    You can't cure it.  You can however mock it.


    by GOPGO2H3LL on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:22:49 PM PDT

  •  perhaps there is an angle (0+ / 0-)

    to discuss how many of the conditions he has to treat every day would have been less costly to treat had they been diagnosed/treated earlier?  if access to doctors, healthier food, drug treatment programs, environmental protections, etc would't mitigate costs overall?

    although he sounds like a true believer, so he probably won't admit it....

    "What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say"~Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by 73rd virgin on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:28:13 PM PDT

  •  Sounds like a lost cause to me (0+ / 0-)

    I unfriended all of these people a long time ago. I have no patience for people like this.

    Notice that his entire argument revolves around money. "It costs too much to provide for the poor" is what this guy is saying when you REALLY boil it down. The fundamental difference between conservatives and people with a heart are that we WANT to spend money to help others. We are a nurturing, caring bunch of people. We aren't this strict, Gilded Age type of person that only looks out for himself and doesn't want to help.

    Sure, these people will tout the "charity" line, but if you really think about it, they are giving that money to charity because it helps THEM, not because it helps others. They want that emotional rush from doing the right thing, and they want the ego boost that comes from telling their friends about it.

  •  Perhaps the two of you should take a break until (0+ / 0-)

    after the election.  That's my first reaction.   I have had similar issues with friends from college and law school.  If you want to continue the friendship agree to a few things during the break e.g., read an agreed upon book, volunteer at a certain community center, watch a particular "news" program.

    Personally I have never pressed an issue with someone who fundamentally disagrees with me on the big issues and do not appreciate it when someone does that to me.  This year I have decided that people who parrot the talking points aren't worthy of my time or my business and I don't want them around my nieces and nephews (my siblings agree) or my unborn children.

    If your friend is truly a good Catholic then he knows he is on the wrong side of history on this.  Sounds like he needs a good history lesson.  Get rid of those programs and we are back to the bad old days of poorhouses, slave wages and people who live their entire lives seeing a doctor once on their death bed. This is the America we have today and that was the America of yesterday.  So what is his solution?  How is he going to fix this?  It's one thing to pontificate about the current state of things but it is irresponsible to damn the institutions people depend on shame their use of programs they paid for all their lives and to default on a promise made long ago.

    One thing I learned in debate is that your opponent should be doing the heavy lifting.  Ask him how Social Security came into being?  What were the ills the leaders of this country were trying to resolve?  How did they plan to pay for it?  Seriously, there is no need to reinvent the wheel.  The answers are right there.  Ask him for that information AND tell him to quote his sources.  Once that is answered repeat.  Ask the same about Medicare and then repeat.  Ask the same about Medicaid.  You see we all have opinions BUT we don't have the same facts.  You can't begin to have a civil conversation about these weighty topics until you both understand how we got here.

    So if you stick to facts and never stray from the facts then you should be OK.  And never stop fighting for what you believe in.

  •  Perhaps this might work. (0+ / 0-)

    Just tell him, "So what you're saying is, if a person is old and/or disabled, they should just hurry up and die.  They're costing you money."  Then pause, and suggest that maybe the government should set up suicide centers just like in the movie Soylent Green.  Or perhaps the quote from A Christmas Carol - "Are there no prisons?  No workhouses?  Well, if they're going to die, they should do it, and reduce the surplus population!"  Remind him of the chains Jacob Marley wore, and that Scrooge was forging.  His attitude is doing essentially the same thing.

    And if he is a staunch Catholic, remind him of the parable of the Good Samaritan, the Widow's Mite, and the Sermon on the Mount.  Then remind him what Jesus said, "As you have done unto the least of these, so you have done unto me."  Who knows - that poor person you help could very well be Jesus!  

    Good luck!

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