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As many of you know, I am attending the "Blue Out" game this Saturday at Penn State.  I posted a diary about it last month entitled:

Tree Climbers: September 22nd "Blue Out" game at Beaver Stadium

As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and having attended the Jerry Sandusky trial, I have been looking forward to this game, commending Penn State on their continued focus on the larger issue of childhood sexual abuse and taking time to recognize victims.

Penn State is the only one who is standing up and being accountable.  Rodney Erickson, the Board of Trustees, Faculty, Staff and Students are not only handling this with grace, they are actively raising awareness of child sexual abuse and putting their money where their mouth is.
While I have been absent from here due to work contraints, I continue to advocate on Penn State and State College websites for victims of childhood sexual abuse and to help keep the conversation focused on preventing future kids from knowing what far too many of us know.

Penn State self-identified alumni, fans and students continue blaming everyone else for what has occurred.  They blame the Freeh report, they blame the BOT, they blame Erickson, they blame the NCAA, they blame the media, they blame "haters" with the ever present line of "you must not have gotten into PSU" - but fail to see where the blame truly lies - with the people who knew (or suspected) a child had been hurt and chose not to do anything about it.  

And they wonder why people are looking at them incredulously...

Below the jump is just a few instances of personal attacks I've received in my advocacy and there is also a capture of a thread from the BWI Rivals message board from this morning with posts now ridiculing the Blue Out Game.  

I will warn you that some of this could be triggering.

From the Daily Collegian Article: Board not reviewing Freeh report is the right decision

WeArePSU11 replied to you
Roxine, you continually demonstrate how a person can type many words and say nothing of any value. You may actually be a victim or work in the field and/or whatever it is you what to claim so others will feel sorry for you and not point out the senselessness of your postings, but enough already.  We all feel sorry for you and we all feel sorry for the victims of Sandusky and all other crimes.  But, that's no reason to convict 2 men before their trial and that's no reason to convict 2 other men who have not even been charged with any crime.

psufan69 replied to you
 Roxine, you want justice for the victims with indictments and convictions, even though their only faults may be errors of judgement.

However, when you had first hand proof that people  involved with your case did not do the right thing and report your accusations to the police, you've never pursued having them brought to judgement.  

I find that disingenuous.  

howiekan replied to you
Roxine- they say a picture is worth a thousand words. I  personally  do not care about your history, name, etc or whether you see the world through the eyes of a young victim of child molestation.  But what I do care about are people, like you, with a  personal agenda, however noble you may think it be, using the unfortunate JS situation(he was the only one who had his private parts in all of the wrong places) to tear down good people and to go out of your way to  cause harm and damage to PSU and the greater PSU community. Sometimes, very  good people do  what they think is right under difficult  circumstances, in real time(and not in 20 -20 hindsight).It is very easy to play the blame game. I submit that the suffering, anger, pain etc, etc incurred by the greater PSU community over the last year far exceeds the  suffering, anger, pain suffered by 8-10 boys, soon to become millionaires. It hurts up our a.. too.

From the BWI/McAndrew Board
Post #2415
York, PA / South Jersey / Wolfeboro, NH

Oh God, I just learned why it is a Blue Out and want to throw up.

Please tell me other schools are doing something similar like breast cancer awareness (pink).  I'm sure this admin will want to make a Blue Out a yearly thing to keep the spotlight on the story and morale down.9/19 10:33 AM | IP: Logged

Post #3924

it is asinine

can't we support the cause some other way?  This isn't "moving forward", is it?9/19 10:36 AM | IP: Logged

Post #689

Flogging will take place for all who enter the stadium.....

since we are all guilty of past crimes.9/19 10:38 AM | IP: Logged

Post #2364

And not only these crimes, but in fact every other single crime..

...ever committed.  And Erickson apologizes for all of us.9/19 10:40 AM | IP: Logged

Post #1455

Re: Flogging will take place for all who enter the stadium.....

If we happen to win the yearly blue-out games, the win will be immediately vacated as a reminder.  This was one of the recommendations in the Freeh Report that went unnoticed.9/19 10:40 AM | IP: Logged

Post #3466

Re: Flogging will take place for all who enter the stadium.....

The "move on" is only with respect to looking into what BOT members knew and their behavior. Otherwise- there is no "move on" as we will be reminded by these same idiots in charge with moments of silence, blue ribbons on helmets, and blue outs forever. If they think people are upset at them now- give it 2-3 years.
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they (we know who they are) keep preaching and want everyone to move on, yet they continue to ensure the football team is the stepchild in reminding everyone what happened and how guilty they are.  Why can't anyone see this?9/19 10:47 AM | IP: Logged


Post #8302

I was at the Ohio game and the constant yammering about


how we are working so hard to be good citizens etc was making me ill. I won't apologize for anything. Penn State is a great school with great academics and athletics. Great programs and great kids. Make the football game a great experience, not a "We are Sorry" fest.

You don't like what happened.....blame Jerry Sandusky....he is the homo pervert. Blame the Second Mile who couldn't control him. Blame the parents who, while they might be disadvantaged, basically turned their kids over to strangers with little follow-up.Never shake a baby.....never.9/19 10:53 AM | IP: Logged

Post #7629

It is becoming a bit too much. One of the reasons I changed the charity

from RAINN to CMTA for the Freeh Stooges shirt.9/19 10:54 AM | IP: Logged

Post #2724
West Punjab

We created the pro-molestation culture, so we're all guilty and must atone.

There is very little difference between raping young boys and cheering for a football team, thereby placing the team above all other values.  If I were the DA, I'd arrest everyone who enters the stadium on Saturday and charge them with conspiracy to commit rape.9/19 10:58 AM | IP: Logged

This is so much bigger than Penn State.  But they continue to shoot themselves in the foot by failing to accept the fact that they, too, were let down by the very same men who let down these young boys.  

It is very hard to see our heros fall - but we've got to stop blaming everyone else and start being accountable for ourselves, our actions, how we conduct ourselves and treat others, and for our children.  

Children cannot protect themselves - so I will proudly wear blue at the Blue-Out game on Saturday to stand for all victims and survivors of childhood sexual abuse.

Sorry for my rant - it's just been a bit disheartening the last few days as people seem to be forgetting the true victims in all of this - children.

Originally posted to TreeClimbers on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:04 AM PDT.

Also republished by House of LIGHTS and DKos Pennsylvania.

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  •  Tip Jar (26+ / 0-)

    "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

    by Roxine on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:04:14 AM PDT

  •  Very telling. We call them "homers" in the (10+ / 0-)

    sports world: people who just can't see past the jersey, no matter how much opposite fact is put in front of them.

    •  and will give a pass to an athlete for almost (5+ / 0-)

      any action.  I can remember athletes being accused of felonies and having the coach or his assistants "fixing" the problem.  The rot in college sports, since it is billions of dollars each year for universities, is pervasive and like most tsunamis of cash flowing into organizations, corrupts all it touches

    •  I just want to stand in front of them with THEIR (4+ / 0-)

      child and say...they were kids, little boys, and grown men knew something inappropriate had occurred and did - nothing.  

      I'm baffled that their anger is directed everywhere BUT the men who failed everyone in this situation - regardless of "why" - they failed!

      But they will defend them to the end with their "innocent until proven guilty" and "due process" - but what about the kids?  

      Who is shouting and raising hell for them?  Who is looking out for them?  It wasn't the men in charge at Penn State -

      Why can't they see past the end of their own childhoods?  Their own children?  

      Talk about misdirected anger

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

      by Roxine on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:42:53 AM PDT

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  •  Take heart, Roxine. (9+ / 0-)

    No good deed goes unpunished. Fact of life.  That others do not like what you are doing does not mean that what you are doing is not good.  

    I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

    by CherryTheTart on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:11:19 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry it's so hard and unfair. (6+ / 0-)

    It is disheartening to read these messages.  It's like they really see their disappointment and embarrassment as exceeding the pain of abuse.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:18:19 AM PDT

    •  it is not surprising as frequenty victims of (5+ / 0-)

      incest and rape were vilified as "sluts" in the Good Old Days with the expectation that the victim should have fought and died rather than giving in, and failing that should have immediately committed suicide instead of living with the shame.  Unfortunately that attitude is still ubiquitous today

    •  That's my feeling as well Smoh - just disheartened (3+ / 0-)
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      are we really so self-absorbed that we can't see the blue out game for what it really is - raising awareness of child sexual abuse?  It's a student-run event.  

      I'm just incredulous today at the appalling lack of perspective - and in a public forum!

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

      by Roxine on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:46:08 AM PDT

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      •  People outside of Happy Valley don't realize that (1+ / 0-)
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        PSU DOES raise awareness for other causes with sporting events.  The think pink girl's basketball program is one and it is a very  popular event.  No one says "wow we should not support breast cancer awareness with our basketball program"  In fact the players sign their jerseys and then they are auctioned off and the proceeds are donated to charity.  what is the difference with a "blue out"?  

        I live in this town.  Roxine get ready for students wearing "we are pissed off" shirts and people condemning the lawsuits and tell all books.    

      •  Caro dio in cielo! (1+ / 0-)
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        Cosa fottutamente idioti!  What part of 'something of a sexual nature' don't they get?  They display the same lack of urgency as the men who failed to report these crimes!  You have my ongoing prayers, dear heart!

        Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do. ― C.S. Lewis Much Love, Andrea Lena.

        by Andrea D on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:07:52 AM PDT

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  •  ♥ ♥ Roxine ♥ ♥ (5+ / 0-)


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  •  somehow, as alma maters, for some people, (4+ / 0-)
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    universities become surrogate parents and the faculty staff and students become an ersatz family.  Therefore an attack on the institution is a personal attack for those alumni.
    I would go even farther and assert in the case of college sports this analogy goes even deeper, with the university sports program operating as a type of temple of worship where an attack on the program is literally like an assault on their religion.

    It is interesting that Americans don't understand why Muslims riot over art and cartoons and films that disrespect Mohammed yet at the same time do not condemn American students rioting over the issue (though admittedly no one was killed)

    These ardent defenders of the university and athletic programs reveal the pathology in the relationship between the university and its students and alumni  

  •  I was at the game (4+ / 0-)
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    I did notice that the next game with Temple is also a blue out.    
    While the few who jump on those boards can be hurtful the overall feeling I got from those I talked with was yes, there were those who failed to report Sandusky and of course Sandusky who nobody defends.  However, they do feel that those who were not responsible have been punished and ridiculed and that is not deserved.  I personally have been called a pedifile because I attended Penn State long ago.  I don't take it personally as I understand the anger toward those that failed the children and those that defend them.  
    I did hear one comment that made me go WTF.  This person is convinced that Paterno knew about Sandusky being a pedifile BEFORE the 98 incident yet also believes that Paterno's victories should not have been vacated.    I really don't get that view!

    •  Appreciate your perspective Craig. (5+ / 0-)

      Whether Paterno knew or not, it is almost certain that Sandusky has been abusing boys for many years.  People don't "become" pedophiles in their later years, they typically start in their mid-20s.

      I have heard rumors of boys (now men) from the 1970s have stepped forward - which would make sense.  Remember, he started the Second Mile in 1977 - and he would have been 33 years old.

      He started working for Paterno in 1969.

      I have said from the beginning, having lived through it, that this isn't a Penn State issue - it's a SOCIETAL issue - we must do better by our children - we must protect them.

      Pedophiles exist in all walks of life.  

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

      by Roxine on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:59:55 AM PDT

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      •  My opinion on the starting of Second Mile (4+ / 0-)
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        I believe that Sandusky started Second Mile because he knew these would be the perfect "recruits" for him.   No proof but it seems logical.  He obviously was a very devious person which made him so much more dangerous.  

        It will be interesting to get your perspective after you attend the game this weekend of the attitudes of the people there.    

  •  Good to see you back, Roxine (5+ / 0-)

    It is hard for those outside of Pennsylvania to understand the unquestioning loyalty that many Penn State alumni have to the institution.  And so much of that reverence was directly tied to the hagiography of Joe Paterno.  It will take years before new generations of alumni, who were not students during the Paterno regime, change that culture.

    But, for every diatribe you receive, directly or indirectly, there are ten men and women, with children of their own, who know the score.

    Richard Nixon used to talk about the "Silent Majority".  There is a culture of silence related to abuse, which still pervades this country.  But that will change.  It is changing.

    The words of Gandhi come to mind:

          First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 09:49:16 AM PDT

    •  Thanks aravir, and thanks for this: (6+ / 0-)

      First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

      Just the motivation I need right now...

      You're right about the "silent majority" - I work with many PSU alums - and they are just shell-shocked to be honest.  Still grappling with what they cognitively realize has happened, but trying to tie that together with the heart piece is very difficult.

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

      by Roxine on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 10:01:46 AM PDT

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  •  From elsewhere in the Midwest ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... all I can see are ESPN and the Penn State football program defiantly cramming their football obsession down America's throat. All they want is their goddamn football with all talk of what happened at PSU and what can be done to prevent a recurrence permanently silenced. It disgusts me that they remain in the Big Ten and that those uniforms will someday soon show up in Ann Arbor. I want that football program dead and buried.

  •  Freeh report was a justification, not an unbiased (2+ / 0-)
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    report.  We need to remember not to take everything in the Freeh Report at face value.  It is (and was expected to be) a one-sided report on what happened.  Having spent a few decades within senior corporate management positions, I am familiar with corporate efforts similar to the Freeh Report.  If a large entity (Penn State) has made a controversial and potentially risky (liability for damages) executive level management decision, it pays millions of dollars to an outside consultant with some credibility (in this case Mr. Freeh) to produce a detailed report to justify the executive actions previously taken (forcing Spanier to retire and firing Paterno).  Mr. Freeh was not engaged to perform a balanced investigation of the facts.  He was not obligated to include in his report all facts, including facts that would tend to contradict his conclusions.  He was paid millions to write a report that would have as its result the strongest possible justification for the executive personnel actions taken.  That's what he was expected to do and that's the report he produced.  "Evidence" that could be subject to multiple interpretations was interpreted only to justify the result Penn State wanted.  There's nothing wrong with that - that's what Penn State paid Freeh millions to do and that's what he did.  Freeh wrote the report he was paid millions to write.

  •  {{{{Roxine}}}} (3+ / 0-)
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    No words, just {{{{{hugs}}}}}

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    I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape"

    by Avilyn on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 10:43:54 AM PDT

  •  This is what I've resorted to posting - over and (2+ / 0-)
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    over on the Daily Collegian -

    In 2001, they knew a child was in the shower with a grown man naked and that something "inappropriate" had occurred.

    They didn't need to know anything else.

    It was a child.

    I'm going to keep posting that until they ban me.  I think they're so consumed with their own grief, pain, sorrow, guilt, shame that they can't step back and really evalaute those three sentences objectively.  

    "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

    by Roxine on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00:58 PM PDT

    •  Roxine - Wondering if ... rather than broadcasting (1+ / 0-)
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      to many ... it might be better to do narrowcasting ... it might work better to pick one and "drill down" ... dear rem524 ... do you have a little nephew ... do you have a little cousin ... what is their name? ... imagine (the name) is 9 years old ... set up the story ... they get taken to the showers by an adult, and on the first night "something" happens ... An adult sees it.  If it is not reported, the same child will be taken back by the adult 15 times to the shower. Would you want the adult who witnesses this event to report it on the first night? ... do you think they should report it?

      In fact, you could make up this conversation and use it for your "argument."  A question and answer story might draw people in where straight argument will not get past the defenses.  Copy/paste will be your friend.

      Just some ideas ...

      I suspect a lot of these usernames are young and clueless.

      If this is too much work for you Roxine, please take a break. I do not want you to get burned out.

      •  Thanks 2thanks - While sometimes it does get (1+ / 0-)
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        overwhelming, it is too important a fight to step back for too long.  

        I do take breaks - my husband and sons make sure of it.  

        As I responded to one "attacker" - I can take it, I've been through a lot worse...and survived :)

        I miss you guys though - I need to carve out some time to post here more regularly.

        "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

        by Roxine on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 04:38:37 AM PDT

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  •  I don't understand your title (1+ / 0-)
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    It sounds from your diary that Penn State as an entity "gets it" tolerably well, while it's some mostly anonymous crackpots on websites that don't get it.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 12:09:23 PM PDT

  •  Roxine!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    I've been very very busy with life issues, but came to take a quick look to see what's on dKos.

    Soooo good to "see" you.

    And thanks for keeping up this important topic and dialogue.


    All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

    by kishik on Wed Sep 19, 2012 at 03:43:39 PM PDT

  •  My husband attended the Blue Out and it was (0+ / 0-)

    rough for him to walk back into that stadium but he wanted to help with collecting donations for victims of child abuse and rape and be there in support of the charity.

    I did not attend and I probably never will attend a game again. I just cannot do it. I was there for the Nebraska game last year right after this happened and I cried the entire game. I have been crying a lot ever since this story broke.  

    My husband is not an alum and not from the area so he is able to deal with all of it far better than I am.

    Some of my friends who are also natives of State College have been doing and saying some insane things these past few months....I will not go into detail,...but they are being ridiculous in their support of some of the others arrested ..while hating Sandusky ..but their support of one of the others is way over the top and i cannot stand with them in support of this one man even though he was also a classmate and our parents ...all are now dead..but our parents were very close. It does not matter, he committed a crime in covering up, he must pay even if it does break my heart.

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    by wishingwell on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 08:08:28 PM PDT

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