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  •  Can you at least give us a synopsis? I'm not in a (7+ / 0-)

    place where it's easy to listen to something. Thanks.

    A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. - Greek proverb

    by marleycat on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:35:45 PM PDT

  •  Oh, come on! (6+ / 0-)

    Can't you even favor us with some tidbits from the discussion to whet our appetites and possibly click through to listen to the whole thing.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:36:47 PM PDT

  •  I have the transcript for all interested (8+ / 0-)

    This is coming to you via Common Dreams:

    I would have posted it word for word in this comment but I don't want to violate copy right.

    Here is a snippet:

    Hedges: Well, Dinesh is a better propagandist than he is psychoanalyst. It is vile in terms of its underlying racism, its pandering to stereotypes, its demonization of Obama—and I’m no fan of Obama. But the film is in essence a sort of elongated attempt that we saw during the Kerry campaign at swiftboating a politician by using half-truths, innuendos and lies to turn him into a monster. And Obama is a politician. He had some of the roots and connections that Dinesh points out. But he shed them as fast as he could, as he rose within the political machine in Chicago, jettisoning not only whatever principles, in my mind, he had. And I was a good friend of Edward Said, all the way back to Jim Friedman, the president of Dartmouth. When Dinesh was at the Dartmouth Review, he characterized him, or dressed him up as a Nazi—Jim was Jewish—and put him on the cover. He threw Jeremiah Wright away, I mean, that’s in the film, and that’s correct, and they did try and, the Democratic party, buy Wright’s silence. And the tragedy of Obama, and it is a tragedy, is that he, in the service of his ambition, was very quick to toss off any principled position that he had until, of course, he became a servant of the corporate state. Which is the real tragedy of Obama.

    Kolhatkar (the host): Dinesh D’Souza, how do you respond to this? What was your main goal in making this film?

    D’Souza: The film is an attempt to tell a side of Obama’s story that has actually never been told. The remarkable thing is we have a president who was admittedly kind of an unknown guy in 2008. That was understandable. He came out of nowhere, an economic nosedive in part helped propel him into the office, but what is kind of remarkable is that four years later, there’s so much about him that is not known, that if he were anyone else, it would be known. And it’s not just that we don’t know his SAT scores or his law school scores, or we don’t have his thesis, we don’t know who his friends were at Columbia. All of that’s interesting. But I think more deeply, his underlying compass is not understood by people. And so the film is an effort to sort of raise the curtain on how Obama thinks. And if there are half-truths and lies in the film, they come from Obama. Because at critical points in the film, we play Obama’s own voice, saying what he believed, what he did. So Obama will say things like, “I stayed away from all the normal professors. I looked for the punk rock poets, the Chicanos, the Marxists, I wanted to hang out with those guys.” That’s a paraphrase, but that’s Obama’s own voice. And what’s most incriminating in the film comes from Obama. And this is why a guy like Chris Hedges is nervous, because the film is damning, not because what it says is false, but because what it says is true and eye-opening.

    This part of the conversation was my personal favorite:
    Hedges: “Well, first of all Edward Said was a friend of mine and it’s just patently untrue that he was close to Obama.”

    D’souza: “How do you know that, Chris?”

    Hedges: “Because I’ve spoke to Edward about it before he died and he was not close to Obama at all. That’s just not true, Dinesh. I don’t know where you got it from. He hardly knew Obama. As far as this idea that Obama is serving the interest of, I assume you mean, developing countries in the third world, it just doesn’t play out in Obama policies. We have uprisings throughout the Muslim world because of the expanded occupation and reign of terror that has been visited upon Muslims. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed in Iraq, millions displaced in Afghanistan and Iraq, the drone strikes in Pakistan, the cross-border raids are disintegrating Pakistan as a country. The inability on the part of the Obama administration to do anything to alter the Israeli policies towards the Palestinians in particular in Gaza, the largest open air prison in the world. The facts don’t lay it out. I mean, what people’s rhetoric are, and i don’t trust Obama’s rhetoric anymore than I trust Romney or any other politician’s rhetoric.

  •  I didn't know Dsouza was the one who pulled (6+ / 0-)

    that Nazi cover of the Dartmouth Review on Freedman, Dartmouth's Jewish president at the time.  That' all one should need to know about that asshole.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:02:11 PM PDT

  •  mp3 (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    Anyone know how I can get that into iTunes so I can listen on my iPod. I tried right clicking the link, but that doesn't do it.


    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:03:15 PM PDT

  •  No serious debate would ever involve D’Souza (5+ / 0-)

    He's traveled as far into the Fruit Loops-land of RW crazy as you can get.

    New additions to Merriam-Webster's Thesaurus: New synonyms for "inelegant": 1."stupid", "ignorant"; 2. "devious"; 3. "delusional"

    by Glinda on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:32:07 PM PDT

  •  Not really a fan of either of the two but I might (3+ / 0-)
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    ivorybill, TheLizardKing, OLinda

    check this out later.  My buddy who became a hardcore Occupier and is praying for some revolution to start worships Chris Hedges.  

  •  Dinesh D'Souza is full of himself. (2+ / 0-)
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    Naniboujou, semiot

    " And look, I’m a college president. I’m not trying to bash Obama in a crude way. I’m trying to give an explanatory framework."

    Wow! Golly, gee-whiz! You're a College President? OMG, can I touch you?

    I don't mean to denigrate religiously-affiliated institutions of higher learning, but, seriously, King's College?

    "The college, a subsidiary of Campus Crusade for Christ,[11] claims the “Protestant evangelical tradition” as its own."

    A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. - Greek proverb

    by marleycat on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:55:30 PM PDT

    •  Well, since Jesus Christ declined the invitation (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      marleycat, semiot

      to be an earthly king, the position is obviously available for anyone who claims it.
      Kingship is very important to some people. On the other hand, conservatives seem to have decided that a rotating dictatorship is even better, because it gives more people a chance to be dictator for a term.

      King for a day, king of the hill..............

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:10:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  D'Souza is fucking insane. He needs to be in a (1+ / 0-)
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    locked padded room.  Damn!

    WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

    by IARXPHD on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:08:56 PM PDT

  •  By the way, D'Souza has garnered the support (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Naniboujou, semiot

    of Orson Swindle, one of the early organizers of the Swiftboat Veterans on behalf of John McCain.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:13:05 PM PDT

  •  I'm no fan of Obama... (3+ / 0-)

    I hear this often from people like Chris Hedges who I admire. And I agree with most of Mr. Hedge's criticism of Obama, but will vote for him in November. The President doesn't need fans; he needs supporters who won't expect him to do all the hard work of governing alone. He has often said he can't be the change alone; I was really disappointed when millions of Democrats boycotted the 2010 elections because they were disappointed with Obama.

    I often wonder what would happen if only ordinary working class people mobilized and demanded the changes they wanted? I know too many young people involved in Occupy Wall Street who are refusing to vote this election. Of course, the big wigs on Wall Street are probably glad about that.

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