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You'd think that getting caught destroying Voter Registration forms signed by Democratic-leaning citizens -- would get serious attention, and perhaps even serious jail time too.

You'd think that -- but you'd be wrong. No those kind of Voter Suppression operatives -- simply live to "Block our Votes" on another day.  That this continues unabated is quite simply outrageous.  Or at least it should be.


Voter Fraud Charges Out West

by Joel Roberts, CBS News -- Feb 11, 2009

[...]
Both state's allegations [Oregon & Nevada] are linked to a Phoenix political consulting firm called Sproul & Associates run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican Party. Sproul & Associates has received nearly $500,000 from the Republican National Committee this election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
[...]

Late Thursday afternoon, two Democratic senators, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, sent a letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft asking the Justice Department to "launch an immediate investigation into the activities of Mr. Sproul and his firm."

According to KLAS-TV, a former employee claimed hundreds, if not thousands, of Democratic registration forms were destroyed by a Sproul & Associates group called Voters Outreach of America.
[...]

While Nevada is considering an investigation, Oregon's is well underway. Bradbury expects to have more than 200,000 new registered voters in Oregon by Election Day, when all the forms are tallied and verified. He said that they are now paying particular attention to issues of improper registration.
[...]

In Nevada and Oregon, Sproul allegedly canvassed voters for which candidate they intend to support. If voters were leaning Republican, the group is said to have assisted in their registration. If they leaned Democratic, the group allegedly ignored them or later destroyed the form.

It is illegal to destroy voting registration material.
[...]


That was 4 years ago. A little-known Republican Election Fraud operative, never saw the long arm of the Law then. No instead he managed to re-invent himself (as Lincoln Strategies), and survived to ply his services to the Republican Suppressors of the current day (2012).

No matter how much the RNC may feign outrage -- they were buying a specific "set of skills" when they hired Nathan Sproul to tilt the odds in their favor, in swing states all across America (Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, North Carolina, Nevada, Ohio, Wisconsin).

This should be a very big deal.  It's deceptively messing with the core of our Democracy.


I refuse to believe this kind of Voter Suppression, is "just how it's done" ... or that "both sides do this -- so what's the problem?"

I refuse to surrender our Constitutional rights, to think-tank talking points. The Rights of American Citizens must be upheld -- not systematically suppressed, with the suppressors only to be quickly ignored, by the Media; and then by the Justice system.

Fast-forward to the 2012 Election season ...


Romney Quietly Hires Consulting Firm With Sordid History Of Destroying Democratic Voter Registration Forms

by Lee Fang, RepublicReport.org -- June 6, 2012

[...]
Late last year, Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign began paying Nathan Sproul, a political consultant with a long history of destroying Democratic voter registration forms and manipulating ballot initiatives. Sproul, who changed his firm’s name from Sproul and Associates to Lincoln Strategies, has received over $70,000 from Romney’s campaign {currently $80,000}. [...]
    * In Nevada, people who registered as Democrats with Lincoln Strategies -- then known as Sproul and Associates -- found their names absent from the voter registration rolls. [Reno Gazette-Journal, 10/29/04]
[...]
Though Romney and his allies have decried supposed voter fraud by his opponents, they don’t have any evidence that people are illegally voting. Most accusations of Democratic voter fraud center on registration forms filled out by fake people -- usually because signature gatherers are paid per-form -- but these accusations do not include examples of these fake people actually attempting to vote. On the other hand, when a person goes to vote and learns their voter registration form was never turned in, they are denied their rights.
[...]
In other words -- actual Voter Suppression is occurring ... Because of Lincoln Strategies procedures.


Yet Lincoln Strategies was hired by the Romney Campaign and by the RNC -- for the special skill-set on Sproul's resume:

To prevent as many Democratic leaning citizens from voting, as possible.

Let a well-coached and very naive employee of Lincoln Strategies explain what she is being paid to do, when she asks "Are you registered to Vote?"


Colorado:  Safeway voter registration


link to video


The RNC's fake outrage doesn't cut it anymore. Nathan Sproul needs to go to jail. Those who hired him need to be held accountable -- in the stark light of Photo-ID day.

They are messing with the very fabric of Democracy.  


Registering people to Vote -- only to have them to show up Election Day and find out they're not -- is Not funny.

In fact, it's criminal.  


And according to Senator Barbara Boxer -- it's a Federal-FBI-investigation offense.  So we should no longer sit back and take it -- like we did in the days of John Ashcroft.

We should instead demand Justice.  This kind of citizenship suppression should not stand, to live another day.



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Comment Preferences

  •  Republican dirty tricks have to be expected (9+ / 0-)

    They can't win on their ideas. But this is ridiculous and should warrant attention from the DOJ. It is a multi-state conspiracy to screw with voter registrations.

    NC-4 (soon to be NC-6) Obama/Biden 2012

    by bear83 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:42:22 AM PDT

  •  What do you mean back?..... (5+ / 0-)

    That shite never went away.....It only gets talked about during election season.  These operators are bogus as hell. A fundamental rightto vote  and people who belong to the nation are trying to suppress it. UGGGGGGG.

    Never underestimate the predictibility of stupidity....clearly the real reason there is ANY question of an Obama second term.

    by tdslf1 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:43:15 AM PDT

  •  This is the guy (14+ / 0-)

    that deserves Justice:


    Not the naive college students -- that Nathan Sproul hires and trains, to do his dirty work.

    The guy has a long track record of doing this.

    Nathan Sproul belongs in Jail.


    Are you ready to Vote? Are you still 'allowed' to Vote?
    -- Are you sure?

    by jamess on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:43:16 AM PDT

  •  Allen Raymond went to jail. More should, but he (4+ / 0-)

    is paying his real debt to our democracy by speaking honestly and publicly about hos pervasive these dirty tricks are in the Republican party.

    Here's the Wikipedia page

    There is a discussion there about collapsing his page into the 2002 NH election page. THIS IS A BAD IDEA, imo. Raymond's lessons are current RIGHT NOW in 2012 and should not be cast as some sort of local, ancient history. The more paths to this information the better, imo.

    Any kos wiki editors want to weigh in?

    I was glad to see Ed interviewed Allen last night, about this expanding scandal.

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:50:34 AM PDT

  •  this is such a mess...I hope we can get this (8+ / 0-)

    cleaned up before the election...I did hear Boxer on the radio and she is applying pressure.

    I actually wrote a diary about this...it was before NBC broke the story...so I didn't have as much info...every I read one of these dairies...it gets bigger...and I get more PO'd.

    great work jamess...and all the other kossacks getting this out.


    We are not broke, we are being robbed.

    by Glen The Plumber on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:53:14 AM PDT

  •  What does a voter registration form (2+ / 0-)
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    look like/consist of?  What information does it contain?
    Why is it not a two part form, and I take my copy of the newly filled out form, and mail it in to the preprinted address, or take it in to the county office and turn it in?

    Time is a long river.

    by phonegery on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:56:40 AM PDT

  •  Learn 1 simple trick, discovered by a mom (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jamess, HoundDog, side pocket

    to keep your voters conservative for under $5.

    DON'T let the County Elections Office fool you
    Don't get outdone by democracy, learn one mom's suppression trick

    ConsumersVoteReport.com

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:00:42 AM PDT

  •  A different voter suppression tactic I've read (8+ / 0-)

    only once about a month ago, is the allocation of the number of voting machines to different locations by Republican controlled state election commissions.

    I believe the example I briefly heard on the radio involved Ohio, where the allegation was that Republican suburbs receive surplus allocations and folks can often be in and out of voting places in less than 15 minutes.  This was my experience when I lived in Weston Mass.

    But, then we watch TV reports of these 4 to 5 hour lines in the poorest inner city Democratic areas of Ohio and wonder why.  Someone suggested that the allocation of voting machines is being manipulated in the hope that potential voters in these congested areas decide waiting so long in line is just not worth the effort.

    I'm surprised I haven't read more about this?  Is this a valid allegation?

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:08:18 AM PDT

    •  have you researched it yet? (1+ / 0-)
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      HoundDog

      sounds like a great post,

      if you can make it relevant, and fast-paced.


      you know how impatient readers can be


      ... and potential voters too.


      Are you ready to Vote? Are you still 'allowed' to Vote?
      -- Are you sure?

      by jamess on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:15:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's been reported on, but more publicity of this (3+ / 0-)
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      outrageous unfairness would be good.

      Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

      by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:30:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, this will teach me to ask innocent helpful (2+ / 0-)
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        questions.  "Why don't you go research this Hounddog?"

        If I was the kind of dog that like to research things I wouldn't have asked, in the first place.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:32:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Anyone willing? (4+ / 0-)
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          Reuters-2012

          Some Democrats insisted that Blackwell made decisions, such as putting fewer voting machines in black neighborhoods than white ones, intended to help deliver his state to Bush.
          Mother Jones-2006
          In Franklin County, for example, more than 2,500 voters in the city of Columbus found themselves crammed into a single precinct in 2004, even though the state's guidelines call for no more than 1,400—apparently because officials assumed that in a poor neighborhood, turnout would be low.
          Free Press-2004
          The legendary affluent Republican enclave of Upper Arlington has 34 precincts. No voting machines in this area cast more than 200 votes per machine. Only one, ward 6F, was over 190 votes at 194 on one machine. By contrast, 39 Columbus city polling machines had more than 200 votes per machine and 42 were over 190 votes per machine. This means 17% of Columbus’ machines were operating at 90-100% over optimum capacity while in Upper Arlington the figure was 3%.

          Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

          by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:49:24 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Hey Catskill Julie, you have 80% of all the work (2+ / 0-)
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            done right here.  

            I'll do it if you don't want to, but, since you've done all the work, it seems like you should get the "glory of the post!"

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 02:50:49 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  HoundDog, go for it if you can. I have so much on (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
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              plate this weekend. House will remain a mess, laundry undone, even without doing a diary.

              But it can't just be Ohio. Can't  imagine Blackwell was that original. Seems like there may have been problems elsewhere -- maybe Milwaukee?

              I'll check around a little more too

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 04:14:46 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  OK, I might be able to find some time tonight. (2+ / 0-)
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                I'll acknowledge you as co-author.  

                I imagine this has been going on in a lot of places. I've never seen videos of the kinds of super long waiting to vote lines in the suburbs that we see regularly in inner city areas.

                The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                by HoundDog on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 05:26:13 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  And on some campuses (2+ / 0-)
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                  super long waiting to vote lines

                  Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                  by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:39:59 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I might have to give a post on this a try tomorrow (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Catskill Julie, jamess

                    Catskill Julie.  It's getting let, and my motivation for writing has collapsed after spending so much time on my last three posts only to get about 4 recs each.   Well, a few of them accumulated more over the hours, but still pretty depressing.

                    Good night!  and thanks.  

                    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                    by HoundDog on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:31:53 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  HoundDog, more from 2008 (2+ / 0-)
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                      HuffPo 11/3/08

                      "Six hours is ridiculous in terms of waiting in line," one Ohio voter told CNN. "I still haven't had an opportunity to vote," said a Florida reader after waiting in line for three hours. "It seems crazy."
                      and, with tape from MsNBC
                      Rachel Maddow discussed the long lines -- eight to ten hours in some places -- on MSNBC last night
                      USAToday 12/9/2008
                      "Driving around Richmond (Va.) on Election Day, that was the case," said Judith Browne-Dianis, the group's co-director. "I could drive up to a black precinct and there would be a long line, and I could drive up to a white precinct and it would be a 10-minute wait."

                      Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                      by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 11:11:56 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  Philadelphia's long lines for photo ID (2+ / 0-)
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                      Philadelphia Inquirer 9/28/12

                      I've been here for two-and-a-half hours," said Torres, who ultimately waited more than three hours to receive her ID.

                      Other patrons who spoke with  this reporter at the PennDOT center at 8th and Arch streets said that they had to wait between one and four hours to get an ID that will allow them to vote Nov. 6 under a new state law.

                      Doris Bess, 64, a district committee member of West Philadelphia's 4th Ward, was at the center helping her 17-year-old grandson get a nondriver ID. She suggested that the lengthy wait times may be sending some away empty-handed.

                      "When people come down here, they leave and don't get their ID," Bess said. "It's frustrating."

                      Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                      by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 11:25:03 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

              •  Kenyon College in OH, NY Times (1+ / 0-)
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                NY Times 8/25/2008

                consider the experience of students at Kenyon College in Ohio in the 2004 election. Officials in Knox County, Ohio, provided just two voting machines for the school’s 1,300 voters. Some students waited in line for 10 hours, and the last bleary-eyed voter did not cast a ballot until nearly 4 a.m.
                and
                That same day in Columbus, voters in black neighborhoods waited as long as four hours, often in the rain. Many voters there and in other urban areas — including Toledo and Youngstown — left their overcrowded polling places in disgust, or because they could not wait any longer, without casting a ballot. In many of Ohio’s white-majority suburbs, the lines were far shorter.

                Troubles in Ohio drew the greatest attention in 2004, but that state was hardly alone. There were complaints of long lines in other states, including Colorado, Michigan and Florida, where elderly voters endured waits in blistering heat.

                Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

                by Catskill Julie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 11:33:21 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

        •  I'm very tired (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          HoundDog

          doing research too.


          Are you ready to Vote? Are you still 'allowed' to Vote?
          -- Are you sure?

          by jamess on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:49:31 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'd accuse all of us in this thread of being lazy (1+ / 0-)
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            slackers, if it weren't for the fact that we show up in the top 20 most frequent poster of the month.

            I was mostly joking because the last post I did that involved hours of research received a total of about 10 recs, so I went on strike, for research intensive writing.  

            But, since Catskill Julie's done all the hard work, I may put of the links if she doesn't.

            But, sadly, I'm discovering that most of my motivation for writing seems to be to get attention, as measured by recs, tips, and comments.  Sad, but true.

            I've considered changing my UID to Mojohound to reduce any lack of clarity about this.  

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 02:56:13 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  From my side of the Atlantic (1+ / 0-)
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      jamess

      that is always one of the most startling images every US election season. The long queues down the street in inclement weather. Looks more like Stalins USSR queuing for bread than anything I'd expect to see in a democracy.

      I'm amazed you get the voter participation you do when it's made so onerous. Frankly I just can't imagine Irish people tolerating queing for hours like that to vote - we'd be off home for a cuppa or down the pub for a pint after half an hour. So fair play to Amereican persistence and fortitude - but it shouldn't have to be like that.

  •  OFA has a group for voter protection (3+ / 0-)
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    called the Obama Victory Counsel, and they are looking for attorneys, paralegals, and law students to volunteer. The sign up page is here:

    https://my.barackobama.com/...

    Please help spread the word on this.

  •  They are doing it again (1+ / 0-)
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    jamess

    Lying.

    Their sopkesperson said that theyd taken swift and decisive action in ending the contract.

    A lie.

    They knew about this in 2009.

    Do not lie repeatedly to the American electorate- year after year after year...

    Stop it.

    •  Why not? They've seen they can get away w/it! (2+ / 0-)
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      Do not lie repeatedly to the American electorate- year after year after year...
      A sad statement about a political party that once DID represent American interests - but that was a long, long time ago, in an America that is now far, far away from where we are today...

      The GOP are, IMHO, despicable cheating bastards, all of 'em...

      For a better America, vote the GOP out of office whenever and wherever possible and as soon (and as often) as possible!

      by dagnome on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 02:44:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The GOP is stealling people's right to vote across (2+ / 0-)
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      the country.  I am hoping that the ACLU is filing a class action suit against these people that are making false accustions in their challenges and aking for $1000 per name.  We need to make people not only crimanally liable but civilly liable.  If you make the civilly liable, you can proable reach around to the people that hired them.  

  •  the things that scare me are (1+ / 0-)
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    not so much all of the shamelessly blatantly anti-democratic things the Republican Party and its operatives are doing to disenfranchise voters, put themselves in positions where they and their Republican vendors have nobody to double-check them (i.e. lack of paper trails for vote tabulations) and now have access to unlimited amounts of secret, corporate cash, thanks to five of the most corrupt Supreme Court Justices in American history (Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Sam Alito, William Kennedy & John Roberts, in their Citizens United ruling/abomination/in-kind contribution to the Republican Party).

    The scariest thing of all to me is...what are the Republicans up to, in addition to these blatantly obvious ways of manipulating elections...to try to steal as many elections as possible? In my opinion, it's what we don't know about Republican operatives that may be as damaging, if not more so, than what we know they're doing.

  •  We need some way to register (2+ / 0-)
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    Every citizen to vote, automatically.  We require an SSN and we can require voter registration.  It's ridiculous to leave it up to door to door canvassing and such, with such a high chance of mischief.

    We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

    by susanWAstate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 02:27:16 PM PDT

    •  totally agree (2+ / 0-)
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      it should be as routine

      as getting our SS cards.


      They don't ask us for Photo IDs when we pay our Taxes,

      all they need THEN is our SS#.


      Are you ready to Vote? Are you still 'allowed' to Vote?
      -- Are you sure?

      by jamess on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 02:46:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Combining the two would make great sense (1+ / 0-)
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        Everyone is registered to vote under their SSN, valid as soon as the person turns 18.  And the SSN comes with fairly  automatic address updates and tracking, as long as a person is working anyways - and afterwards, since they send out annual statements to everyone.  

        We should so do that . . .  Why have a totally separate registration process?  And as far as registration by party, everyone initially defaults to Independent, and then updates to a party if they're so inclined.  

        Just show up at the polls, provide your name and the last 4 of your SSN and vote, or better yet, allow vote by mail or on-line, or by mail.

        We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

        by susanWAstate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 03:26:12 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  McCain and Romney both hired Sproul... (2+ / 0-)
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    even though Sproul's history of voter registration fraud was public knowledge.  

    This report posted 10-20-2008 noted that John McCain's campaign has directed $175,000 to the firm of a Republican operative accused of...

    ...massive voter registration fraud in several states.

    According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the the California Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of "registering voters." The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms and even spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to hinder the Democratic ticket.

    In a letter to the Justice Department last October, (2007) House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said that that Sproul's alleged activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law."

    That Sproul would come under the employment umbrella of the McCain campaign -- the Republican National Committee has also separately paid Lincoln Strategy at least $37,000 for voter registration efforts this cycle -- is not terribly surprising. Sproul, who has donated nearly $30,000 to McCain's campaign, has been in the good graces of GOP officials for the past decade despite charges of ethical and potentially legal wrongdoing.

    Apparently because of despite Sproul's blatant and widely known history of election fraud, Late last year, Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign began paying Nathan Sproul...

    ...a political consultant with a long history of destroying Democratic voter registration forms and manipulating ballot initiatives. Sproul, who changed his firm’s name from Sproul and Associates to Lincoln Strategies, has received over $70,000 from Romney’s campaign. Much of the campaign coverage has focused on the rhetoric of surrogates and the role of high-priced television advertisements. But if Sproul continues to play a role in the campaign, and if his previous work is any guide, his firm may have an impact on key swing states.

    ThinkProgress covered Sproul ....including evidence that his firm systematically suppressed Democratic overs on behalf of the Bush-Cheney 2004 presidential team and deceiving voters during registration drives in 2006...:

    Republic Report reviewed disclosures from the Federal Elections Commission. Sproul’s Lincoln Strategy Group has received about $71,391 in payments for “field consulting” and “rent & utilities” by the Romney for President Inc. committee from November 30th through March 2nd of this year...

    So, the RNC and Romney shouldn't be allowed to deny knowing that Sproul is now and has been deliberately committing election fraud.  How could they not know? Yet they hired him anyway.  Their denial of knowledge about Sproul might be more credible if they had permanently fired him after the first reports of his voter registration fraud became public.  But the fact that they keep hiring him even though there have been numerous reports of Sproul's efforts to "suppress votes and violate the law" makes their claims of ignorance totally unbelievable.

    If they try to claim they didn't know--despite all the publicity about Sproul--and despite Congressman Conyers pointing out Sproul's voter suppression tactics, they are too stupid to run anything, including a campaign or a country.

  •  here's a great post (0+ / 0-)

    following up on the RNC - Nathan Sproul connection:


    RNC Asked Nathan Sproul to Create Shell Companies to Mask Payments
    by hungrycoyote -- Sep 29, 2012


    Are you ready to Vote? Are you still 'allowed' to Vote?
    -- Are you sure?

    by jamess on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:53:03 PM PDT

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