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I've always liked the attitude of Bill Maher but never have I been more proud of him and his no-nonsense perspective as I am today.

On the notion that President Obama has not promised change:

"Bullshit.  He promised change and he delivered change."

On the other hand, Maher criticized President Obama for civil liberties and the drug war, which means he's not blindly supporting him and is able to point out what he sees are faults in the Obama administration.

That being said, this video should enlighten disaffected Obama '08 supporters who have been resistant of supporting him for re-election.  Whereas Obama said Bill Clinton should be appointed Secretary of Explaining Stuff, Bill Maher should be appointed as Secretary of Attacking B.S.


Has President Obama delivered on his promise of change?

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  •  Anyone who is "disaffected" (6+ / 0-)

    at this point will not be convinced by Bill Maher.

    Because they will never be pleased with any President elected under our current two-party system.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 04:54:35 PM PDT

    •  It depends on who you talk to (7+ / 0-)

      A close friend of mine, registered in the Green Party, voted for Barack Obama in 2008 but got disillusioned with his failure to close Guantanamo Bay.  I remember when Obama had difficulty with GITMO early on.  Closing GITMO was one of his first acts as president.  Clearly something happened in the process.

      I felt Maher explained the whole Gitmo thing perfectly.

      •  Yes, as Maher said, (12+ / 0-)

        Congress would not let him close it.  He tried and failed.  I think he should try harder in the second term.  It's a blight on our country.

        However Obama is so plainly superior to all other choices that I hope your friend can swallow his pride and help re-elect him.

        Still enjoying my stimulus package.

        by Kevvboy on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 05:07:51 PM PDT

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        •  My friend may end up caving in the end (6+ / 0-)

          Here's the thing about him:  While he's in the Green Party and regularly votes for Democrats (he's even been a strong supporter of Rep. Lynn Woolsey), he won't support President Obama purely because of ethical grounds.  This has to do with Gitmo, the U.S. operation in Libya, civil liberties and the war in Afghanistan.  Otherwise, my friend believes Obama has done a rather good job.

          I think my friend, as a Green Party member, is an example of the type who will not stand for war no matter what.  A significant portion of those in the Green Party do not believe in war and are strong promoters of piece.  I believe in the peace aspect although I find a certain portion Green Party people unaware of the real complexities that the President of the United States faces on a day-to-day basis.  Sometimes the U.S. may have to wage war because its the last resort although by no means does President Obama want to promote war.  The Green Party people generally don't believe in even the last resort.  I also think their platform these days seems to be under the perspective that we're still in the Bush pro-war era and that we haven't done anything to change it.  Pure nonsense.

          Then of course Jill Stein, the Green Party Presidential candidate, has argued there is no difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.  God, does she or others in the Green Party think all that ails us from the Bush era be cured via the process of osmosis?  Stein's argument is just more political rhetoric she's using to beef up the base of the Green Party to support her.   There is lots of evidence Obama has been moving the country away from Bush's years.  She is just unwilling to admit it or even willing to look into the facts outside of the Green Party bubble.

          There are TONS of pro-peace activists in the Democratic Party who are loyal to Obama and the party because they realize (like me) that unless we stop the ideological propaganda crap the GOP using to divide the U.S., we're never going to get beyond this whole crap that there's nothing Democrats are doing to change this country.  Just ask Jerry Tetalman, a pro-peace candidate running against Rep. Darrell Issa in the 49th Congressional District in California.

          On the other hand, I am very pro-environment and do agree a lot with the Green Party's promotion of the environment.  

      •  MY Favorite Maher quote (2+ / 0-)
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            And the best deterrent for anyone who wants to vote for the Green Party or any third party candidate rather than Obama.

             When Ralph Nader came on Maher's show, circa 2004, Maher said to him:


        I voted for you in 2000 because I wanted to vote my conscience.  But after four years of Bush, I've come to realize that "voting your conscience" is nothing but a bratty self-indulgence.  And I've learned that when you're not willing to accept the lesser of two evils, you end up with the GREATER of two evils.
            (Note that the quote is paraphrased, but that's the gist of it)

             Definitely the most memorable Maher quote in my mind.  A close second would be (also paraphrased):


        I'm really tired of people comparing Bush to Hitler.  Bush is not Hitler.  For one thing, Hitler didn't avoid military service and was a decorated war veteran.  For another thing, Hitler was first elected by a majority of the voters.
        •  That's why I like Maher (3+ / 0-)
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          I have no doubt that Bill Maher has a high IQ and whenever people even try to raise the typical political talking points against him, he just shuts them down and asks those who spout them off to think in reality.  Maher is really thinking with an independent mind and really doesn't get people who don't see the big picture in the world.

          In the case of Ralph Nader, I felt his presidential campaign in 2000 was completely legitimate.  I disagree with a number of Democrats who say Nader gave the election to then Governor George W. Bush.  Well, perhaps it was Al Gore's fault that he wasn't as inspiring to voters as Bill Clinton was in 1992.  I believe the only reason why Al Gore got the support he did was because people liked the Clinton/Gore era and wanted to see it continue.  Perhaps Gore could have done a better campaign so that the Democratic party wouldn't need to worry about potential voters defecting to Nader.

          However, since Nader ran in 2000, his campaigns have been entirely about ego and non of them have shown him to be a legitimate presidential candidate.  Should Democrats tell him to quit?  No but I do think his perspective should be challenged.  I mean, more Green Party members in 2004 admitted to me that they couldn't stand Nader and voted for John Kerry because they didn't want Bush in office for a second term (they also liked Kerry's pro environment record).  It's clear that Nader's candidacies have been just about activism and nothing about being presidential.

          Should Nader's views on corporate cronyism, environment and war be listened to?  Oh you bet.  Does his perspective of the two-party "dictatorship" be questioned?  Possibly although I think Maher himself believes the fight these days is against ignorance more than political parties.

        •  i am pretty sure hitler never got a majority. (1+ / 0-)
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          nazis won a plurality several times, but not a majority.

          •  True... (0+ / 0-)

                True...I was attempting to recreate the quote as closely as possible to what I remember, and to the best of my recollection, "majority" is the word Maher used.  Some dictionaries do provide among the possible definitions of majority simply "the greater number" in addition to "more than half." So I assume Maher was using the word in that colloquial sense, if it was in fact the word that he used.  This was, after all, during the early Bush years, a period I have made extraordinary efforts to FORGET!

  •  I thought Larry King was retired? (4+ / 0-)

    Bill Maher is right on this.

    Thanks for posting the video.

  •  Larry King has a show? (4+ / 0-)

    “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” Former Democratic Congressman - Tom Perriello "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - MHP

    by justmy2 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 05:35:51 PM PDT

  •  I know a few who claim they can't vote for (7+ / 0-)

    …Obama because of the continued wars. Frankly, it’s past time for these people to get a grip. I too hate war and I don't like what's happening to Brady Manning. Shameful.

    But Progressives have too often conceded their power by either not voting or voting for third party candidates that don't have a snowball chance in hell of doing anything but complaining about what's wrong.

    So in 2010, many disappointed Obama voters stay home and the Tea Party got in and got nearly everything they wanted.  What did the Progressive who stay home get?

    They got the chance to complain some more. Which I'm sure helped take care of their ethical issues.

    •  It's like everything should be changed via osmosis (7+ / 0-)

      I get really disappointed at these really devoted "Obama supporters" when they go ahead and vote for Obama in 2008 but then say there's no change and that these continued wars illustrate why they won't vote for Obama in 2012.  You'd think people would have learned that Obama's still cleaning up Bush's mess and that WE AREN'T IN THE BUSH YEARS ANYMORE!

    •  Liberals and progressives voted in 2010 (1+ / 0-)
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      It was the disaffected middle that stayed home. The policies promoted by the Democratic leadership might explain why they were disaffected and unenthusiastic.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 07:49:53 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe, but c'mon... (2+ / 0-)
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        ..this disaffected middle expected a reversal of the Bush Years in 2 years? They didn't expect a fight from Republicans which probably promoted some of those lukewarm policies? What about looking forward? All they had to do was vote. Did they expected Obama to carry the water by himself?  

        •  Exactly (5+ / 0-)

          And I think disaffected Democrats/Obama Supporters, those in the Green Party, Peace & Freedom (like Roseanne Barr, who is the Presidential candidate) realize that a President of the United States cannot alone guarantee positive change unless people fight for it.

          Americans just need to stop being lazy and assuming all the time.  They need to fight more like they Americans did in the Vietnam War.  Even the Occupy movement, as important as it is, does not seem to me to have the energy level the protestors against the Vietnam war had during those times.  That being said, I don't believe those Occupy participants are necessarily lazy.  I just think they need to be more organized.

          In other countries like France, citizens take their fights to the streets and stop until the bitter end.

          •  I see OSW participants... (3+ / 0-)
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            every day on my way to work on Wall Street. They are mostly young people. One their first year anniversary, I remember one middle age man angrily reading off a list of grievances in front of One Liberty Plaza. I agreed with him, but what did this accomplished except feeling better about being powerless in the face of the all powerful? Like voting for Roseanne Barr as President. Sheesh!

            Eliminating Jim Crow and Women's Suffrage took organization and the willingness to sweat which I don't know if OSW is up to the challenge. This generation is probably the most comfortable and well-fed generation in American history.

            Yet say whatever you will about the Tea Party and their wealthy backers, they bring passion and tangible action to their causes. They will vote for their man whether or not they like him or her. I heard OSW participants booed John Lewis in Atlanta when he approached them and rejected Elizabeth Warren's attempt to reach out.

            OSW have a lot growing up to do.

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