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U.S. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney pauses during a rally at Consol Energy's Research and Development facility outside Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania April 23, 2012. REUTERS/Jason Cohn
Mitt Romney packed a lot of bull into three short sentences on education funding in Wednesday night's debate:
I’m not going to cut education funding. I don’t have any plan to cut education funding and grants that go to people going to college. I’m planning on continuing to grow, so I’m not planning on making changes there.
  • In May, Romney falsely claimed that public sector employment had grown by 145,000 under Obama (it had shrunk by more than 600,000) and suggested firing those 145,000 nonexistent public workers—like teachers. Does that sound like someone "planning on continuing to grow" or "not planning on making changes" in education?
  • In June, Romney mocked President Obama for wanting to hire more teachers. Does that sound like someone who is "planning on continuing to grow"?
  • As governor of Massachusetts, Romney slashed higher education funding:
    According to the Boston Globe, fees and tuition jumped 63 percent at Massachusetts’ once-stellar system of public higher education from 2003 to 2007, as Romney slashed state funding year after year, for a total of $140 million, or 14 percent, in four years. Not surprisingly, average student debt in Massachusetts jumped 25 percent while Romney was governor. Between 2001 and 2011, tuition and fees have more than doubled at the state’s community colleges, state university and UMass campuses, but the bulk of the added burden piled up under Romney.
    Is that a record that makes you believe he wouldn't cut education funding?
  • The budget plan that made Paul Ryan a Republican star would eliminate Pell Grants for more than a million students over 10 years and reduce them for millions more. If maintaining grants to help people go to college was a priority for Romney, would he have chosen a running mate who flatly says Pell Grants are "unsustainable"?

Romney's intro to these claims on education funding was a super-zingy "Mr.—Mr. President, you’re entitled, as the president, to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts—(laughter)—all right?" But these aren't Obama's facts. The facts of Romney's own record, his words on the campaign trail, and the budget his running mate produced that Romney called "marvelous" are very clear on the direction education funding would go in a Romney presidency.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:24 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  He is entitled to his own... (2+ / 0-)
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    earicicle, Matt Z

    facts on education like Rove is entitled to his own electoral math.

    "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

    by RonV on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:32:59 AM PDT

  •  Excellent smack-down with the most devastating (2+ / 0-)
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    earicicle, norm

    charges there could be - facts!

    When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree prophecy

    by 4Freedom on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:37:07 AM PDT

  •  The lies yesterday were frustrating. (4+ / 0-)

    Truth be told, I don't think much of Obama's RTTT policies, but the truth is that as bad as Obama's  reform ideas are, Romney's would take those that much farther while slashing funding every step of the way. And that would be even worse.

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by progressivist on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:58:29 AM PDT

  •  GOP deregulation: Romney Lies, Workers Die /nt (6+ / 0-)

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:01:43 AM PDT

  •  Question: Isn't title too specific? (3+ / 0-)
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    jfromga, OldDragon, TKO333

    Isn't it that "Mitt Romney believes he is entitled to his own facts?"

    Some items from energy space (last night):

    * He stated that "clean coal" exists. Other than coal industry power point slides and propaganda, no ...

    * He repeated, multiple times, the $90 billion for 'green energy' which was false on multiple levels.

    Etc ...

    Thus, it is that Mitt believes he is entitled to his own facts and is entitled not be fact checked ...

    Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

    by A Siegel on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:18:07 AM PDT

  •  Romney is not dictated by fact checkers. (6+ / 0-)

    And his projection is epic.

    He is entitled to his own facts if Obama won't call out his lies.

    VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:20:24 AM PDT

  •  Wait for it (9+ / 0-)
    "The place you put your money just makes a pretty clear indication of where your heart is."

    Mitt Romney, debate

    I can't wait for the ads on that one.
  •  Super-zingy. The midnight slasher. (0+ / 0-)

    Hey Ryan, where you goin' with that trans-vaginal probe in your hand

    by 88kathy on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:22:45 AM PDT

  •  Maybe the right move for Obama was to ignore (2+ / 0-)
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    barbtries, 88kathy

    the drivel that came from Romney -- so he could get out his own message.

    27 lies in 38 minutes.  Wow.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:22:52 AM PDT

  •  How dare he? (3+ / 0-)
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    stagemom, Boris49, rubyduby7

    And he has the nerve to say the President is the one making up "facts"????? Fuck you, asshole.

  •  Clearly nobody is paying attention... (2+ / 0-)
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    rhauenstein, stagemom

    to the takeaway from last night... Facts do NOT matter.  It's all about optics and perception and how you sell yourself.  Ugh.  We really need to stop this "Obama really won the debate, see!" circlejerk.

  •  Yeah, but why didn't Obama... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...call him on this and other fabrications.

    Obama just stood there like a dummy and let all those opportunities pass by.

  •  Department of Education (5+ / 0-)
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    Hannibal, Nespolo, stagemom, earicicle, TKO333

    that's gone.

    People put there money where their heart is.

    If Education isn't a priority that deserves funding at the federal level, and it's not funded, it's definitely gone.  So I pretty much figure Mitt told us where his heart is on education.

    No department to handle federal laws, regulations, disburse funding, no money for expanding education, cut Pell grants.  Fire teachers, kill their unions.

    Mitt's heart is in a hostile takeover of public education, destroying pensions, privatizing everything and only people that can afford it get educations in the future.

    Apparently the others, without skills and education to get jobs will storm the razor wire encircled manufacturing encampments to work for free and share a bathroom with 120 people  just like they do in China.

    You have just got to love Romney's vision for the future of the average American.

    •  Mitt's goal in is line with ALEC legislation (1+ / 0-)
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      jfromga

      that funnels tax payer money to private schools through yet another voucher program. Just like every piece of his agenda that we know about, it's all about benefiting the wealthy and funneling federal dollars to private companies. It has NOTHING to do with helping America and EVERYTHING to do with increasing the redistribution of wealth uphill to the wealthy. Around this time of election season I love to challenge my Conservative acquaintances with a simple question:

      "Can you name one piece of legislation that was introduced by a Republican at the Federal level that went on to become law...anytime in the last thirty years...that benefited the middle or lower class WITHOUT benefitting the wealthy even more?"

      With a mindset like that that is deeply woven into the ideology of the Republican Party how can anyone ever expect any less from them at anytime going forward? They plainly care more about shoveling federal dollars to the wealthy than solving any problem that arises in this Nation. And somehow EVERY problem that we face can be solved with either a tax break for the wealthy, some deregulation or crippling austerity forced onto the least of us.

  •  Come on, you folks (6+ / 0-)

    Romney isn't going to cut education, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare or anything else like that. He's told us how he's going to deal with the deficit: he's firing Big Bird and Jim Lehrer.

    That should pretty much take care of everything.

  •  Obama did a lot to depress (3+ / 0-)
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    KingTag, stagemom, Boris49

    Democratic enthusiasm last night.

    That's a real pisser.

    VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:26:13 AM PDT

  •  Been doing a lot of checking and am sure that (1+ / 0-)
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    stagemom

    the Obama campaign has, as well.
    My main hope is that these live statements will be used in forthcoming ads.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:26:29 AM PDT

  •  Well, we've all got our own planes (1+ / 0-)
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    stagemom

    and our own houses...

    "We *can* go back to the Dark Ages! The crust of learning and good manners and tolerance is so thin!" -- Sinclair Lewis

    by Nespolo on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:26:41 AM PDT

  •  The China Syndrome (2+ / 0-)
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    stagemom, Nautical Knots

    Out of the starting gate the quote from Romney  

    Emphasis added

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    What things would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they don't pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if not, I'll get rid of it. Obamacare's on my list.

    I apologize, Mr. President. I use that term with all respect, by the way.

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:26:49 AM PDT

  •  i hated how the debate was about budget/debt/ (1+ / 0-)
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    Nautical Knots

    deficit...
    not enough about domestic issues.
    too wonky and beltway chin scratchy

    Give me back my democracy. 50% + 1

    by stagemom on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:28:31 AM PDT

  •  Not on Education - but a really odd sequence (1+ / 0-)
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    stagemom

    from the transcript - just to make sure I did not mishear. Let's call it when 60  became the new 55:

    MR. ROMNEY: Well, Jim, our seniors depend on these programs. And I know any time we talk about entitlements, people become concerned that something’s going to happen that’s going to change their life for the worst, and the answer is, neither the president nor I are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees, either to Social Security or Medicare. So if you’re 60 or around 60 or older, you don’t need to listen any further.
    moments later our guy chimes in:
    PRESIDENT OBAMA: For -- for -- so if you’re -- if you -- you’re 54 or 55, you might want to listen, because this -- this will affect you. The idea, which was originally presented by Congressman Ryan, your running mate, is that we would give a voucher to seniors, and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. The problem is that because the voucher wouldn’t necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year.
    And, the first thought that crossed my mind was - yeah, maybe it isn't just the audience that needs to hear.
  •  BREAKING: POTUS reserves 1 of 100k new math (2+ / 0-)
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    teachers specifically for Willard Mitt Romney. The AP reports:

    A remedial arithmetic specialist has been designated to assist the soon-to-be former presidential candidate in fixing the glaring holes in his elementary math education. "I feel that all Americans need to have the basic computational skills to function in today's society," said President Barack Obama. "Our program brings 100,000 new math and science teachers to America's classrooms. Designating a remedial expert to help one of our nation's most math-deficient senior citizens is the compassionate thing to do."

    Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

    by earicicle on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:31:26 AM PDT

  •  time to start drinking heavily (0+ / 0-)
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan - "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:32:26 AM PDT

  •  Don't foreclose on Sesame Street! Big Bird (1+ / 0-)
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    feathered friends all a twitter!

    Big Bird:
    Me can't balance the budget! Even ELMO can't pay for Mr. Romney's tax cuts. We like cats, fat cats too. Please don't foreclose on Sesame Street, Mr. Romney.

    Hollywood Reporter

    AFP

    Fashion & Style

    RNN

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:33:32 AM PDT

  •  Well. last night (3+ / 0-)
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    Well. last night Romney was a supporter of education.

    This Summer, he had been an opponent of teachers.

    As Governor, he was opposed to spending state dollars on education.

    It's just that Romney has been on every side of almost every issue.

  •  Yeah, I know he's a lying sack of shit, but . . . (0+ / 0-)

    The President has to point that out himself.  The day of letting MSNBC carry the fight for him are over.  If he doesn't carry it himself, no one will.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:36:25 AM PDT

  •  I've been pretty critical of Obama's debate (5+ / 0-)

    performance but I will say the President is killing it in his speech in Denver right now.  Right from the opening he mocked the 'person who claimed to be Mitt Romney' on the stage last night and the 'real Mitt Romney'.  Everyone in the audience is laughing and he is having a good time of it too.

    I think the President will be ok.  I sense, at least in these initial remarks, that the President is dusting himself off and is back at it and back at Mitt.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:36:35 AM PDT

  •  Mitt is entitled to his own facts (0+ / 0-)

    Mitt is entitled to his own facts when his opposition had the opportunity to correct him and didn't.  And this was in front of tens of millions of people.  

    Mitt Romney is liar:  Gee you don't say.  Blame Obama for blowing the chance to prove it to tens of millions of people.  

  •  And he even stole that line (0+ / 0-)

    ...from Moynihan.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:40:47 AM PDT

  •  They should have the ads out today (1+ / 0-)
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    GOPGO2H3LL

    Obama will be the winner in the end if the campaign uses the multiple walk-backs, positions changes and out right lies in ads where they show Romney saying something in the debate followed by the numerous times he has said the opposite.  It will change the talking head discussion and make Romney look like the lying fool he is. But they need to be at it right now.

    The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones! - John Maynard Keynes

    by Do Something on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:41:13 AM PDT

  •  Selling em' (1+ / 0-)
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    rubyduby7

    a bill of goods and makin' up shit as he goes along---that's Romney!

    "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

    by lyvwyr101 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:41:38 AM PDT

  •  I took "I'm planning on continuing to grow..." (0+ / 0-)

    to be his blanket talking point of "I'm going to increase revenues by growing the economy by giving tax cuts to  job creators (even though they won't really be cuts because I will also close loopholes and dedcuctions by an equal amount) and since I'm increasing revenues, there won't have to be cuts in anything, except PBS and nationalized Romney-Care, I mean Obamacare."

  •  Still gobsmacked by the Lie Direct. (0+ / 0-)

    It is indeed a bold move, shockingly bold, to indignantly refute everything you've ever called for.  

     Kinda wild.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:42:06 AM PDT

    •  Yeah- can't debate "My opponent believes A" when (2+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, Nautical Knots

      they respond, "No, actually I never said that, I believe B." How do you respond? "But you said..."

      Obama was prepared to debate Mitt Romney, but somebody else showed up instead.

      I'm also reminded of a particularly annoying style of arguing, where the person, rather than using logic, shouts down their opponent when they try to get a word in edgewise. Mitt was doing a lot of that last night, too.

      -this space for rent-

      by EsnRedshirt on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:55:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  "Someone is finally getting tough on Big Bird" (0+ / 0-)

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:43:35 AM PDT

  •  Romney is a habitual liar, so he says whatever he (0+ / 0-)

    ...thinks his audience wants to hear.  What he says has no direct relationship to what he really thinks or means.  

    Neither candidate wants to fully discuss this looming crisis or what they are going to do about it before the election.  It wouldn't be a wise political move.  

    The problem is that Romney doesn't mind lying about his plans, which are:  Very Large Cuts to entitlements and discretionary programs. In order to finance his proposed massive increases in defense spending, his tax cuts for the wealthy, and his plan to cap total federal spending at 20 percent of gross domestic product, he will need to make very large cuts in other programs:  

    ...The cuts in non­defense discretionary programs...covers a wide variety of public services such as elemen­tary and secondary education, law enforcement, veterans’ health care, environmen­tal protection, and biomedical research — would come on top of the substantial cuts in this part of the budget that are already in law...
    Those are the real facts about Romney's plan for Education.
  •  Obama beats Romney handily (0+ / 0-)

    on substance, policy, character and temperment (not nearly as much as I'd like, but people like Bernie Sanders become president only in fantasyland these days). On that there is simply no credible debate. But lots of voters vote less on these more subsyantive things than on superficial style.

    I.e. who smiles more, seems more likeable, is calmer and cooler under pressure. I think that Obama wins on these too. Where Obama loses is in debating. I don't know why but he frankly sucks at it, coming across as indifferent, unconfident and detached, like he really doesn't want to be there and isn't going to be bothered to make a good showing.

    That's a weakness, not just on style but on substance, because it makes voters question his tenacity and dedication, especially under pressure. I'm not convinced that it's enough to lose him the election, but with a race still relatively close, it's foolish to give up points this late in the game.

    Reminds me of the points Obama seemed to concede, needlessly, in negotiations over health care and financial reform, because he appeared to not be willing to engage in the sort of political fighting that is required to win tough fights. I don't know if this was true, but it APPEARED to be true to those of us on the outside of the process, and many voters vote on appearances, not substance.

    On most counts Obama is still winning. But I simply don't understand why he continues to be so weak on this one. It makes no sense to me unless he's either foolish enough to be overconfident about his prospects, or not as interested in winning as he needs to be, to have the drive to do what he needs to do to win. He'll probably still win, but this is giving up points needlessly.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:45:42 AM PDT

  •  Calling Romney on his lies wouldn't have helped. (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama did call him on some of the lies; I think for the most part Romney ignored being called on it and even repeated the lie again despite the fact that he had just been called on it. I think Obama realized quickly that he'd come across as a jerk if he repeatedly refuted the lies, and would lose too much time to be able to explain his own policies.

    I caught at least one or two times where Romney contradicted what he'd said three seconds ago. If anyone analyses his word salad, they'll spot him for the con man he is.

    -this space for rent-

    by EsnRedshirt on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:45:54 AM PDT

    •  I was thinking the same thing (0+ / 0-)

      In fact one lady in a CNN focus group of undecided voters got upset with President Obama because he kept saying that Mitt is proposing a $5 trillion tax cut.  She said that the President wasn't listening to Mitt when he wss saying tht he wasn't propsing the cuts.  She went on to say that that is the problem with Washington.  I turned the channel shaking my head.  There's not much you can do.

  •  It didn't matter that Romeny lied. (0+ / 0-)

    The lies only matter if Obama called out the lies or, at a minimum, reacted to them.  Obama did nothing.  He was listless and seemingly disinterested.  Just weird.  Romney sensed this early on in the debate and it became a Romney free-for-all.  This was a horrific, hard to watch debacle for Obama.  A true epic disaster.

    I think we are witnessing history here.  The debate last will likely be the first Presidential debate in modern history which determines the outcome of an election.  Right now,  Obama is in massive trouble and will be bleeding support each day for the next ten days.  He will go into the next debate behind in the national polls.  the electoral map is going to change drastically in favor of Romney over the next week.  Obama's only chance is to have some sort of spectacularly redemptive performance at the next debate.  That's not going to happen.  Romney is too good a debater.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that I'm not.   This election is over.  Obama imploded last night in a way no one could have ever imagine.  Last night was shocking to the core.   Romney is going to win easily.

    Trust-Fund Kids of America Unite... save the Bush tax cuts!

    by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:52:52 AM PDT

  •  Ryan budget proposals must be taken seriously (0+ / 0-)

    because he is, after all, a "heartbeat away" from the highest office. I know that is a big assumption that Rmoney even has a heart.

    "What really matters is what you do with what you have." H. G. Wells

    by spunhard on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:54:45 AM PDT

  •  Good time for flip/flop ads, too. (0+ / 0-)

    With Obama today starting a theme of "real Mitt Romney" vs. "Debate Mitt Romney", now would be a good time for some hard-hitting Mitt "flip/flop" ads. There's so much material to work with and it makes Mitt look ridiculous and untrustworthy.

    America saw a smooth-talker last night. If we can make them understand that the smooth talk hides dishonesty, then all his smooth talk will work against him.

    I'm a dyslexic agnostic insomniac. I lie awake at night wondering if there's a dog.

    by rennert on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:58:58 AM PDT

  •  Obama at 54 Approval in Gallup today (0+ / 0-)

    Not reached since October 24, 2009.

    Still O+4 over Romney.

    Why did the Washington Post hire Bellatrix LeStrange? And why did she change her name to Jennifer Rubin?

    by NoFortunateSon on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:04:45 AM PDT

  •  Romney has his own facts for most of this campaign (0+ / 0-)

    Retired AFSCME Steward and licensed gun carrying progressive veteran.

    by old mark on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:06:41 AM PDT

  •  romney doin the lord's work? (0+ / 0-)

    a mormon church strategy; http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  Distill these comments (0+ / 0-)

    and turn them into a two or three sentence brief on how dishonest Romney is on this subject and how distructive his policies would be.
    Arm the President!

    Damn the Regressives, full speed ahead!

    by Nautical Knots on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:53:57 AM PDT

  •  Remember Jerry... (0+ / 0-)

    ...it's not a lie, if YOU believe it.

    In the Rmoneyverse, all his tax cuts, the reinstatement of trillions to the military, the cutting of deductions, all this horsecrap is going to spur the economy to such great lengths, it will RESTORE what moneys he's taking out by the sheer volume of gainfully employed financially secure Americans paying taxes (at a lower rate).

    Because trickle down economics work! They must work otherwise...well, the Republicans would look like idiots for continuing to champion them.

    The fact that they never HAVE worked in the past only proves there has never been enough trickle. You gotta keep the trickle trickling for it to work. Just like money trees, you can't just plant the money in the ground and expect a money tree to grow, you gotta water the spot every day for at least five weeks...

    I'm an idiot...AND I VOTE.

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