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U.S. Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney pauses as he gives his reaction to the Supreme Court's upholding key parts of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare overhaul law in Washington June 28, 2012.  Romney said on Thursday that the Amer
Mitt Romney wants you to think repealing Obamacare won't hurt. He's lying.
We counted the ways in which Mitt Romney lied about President Obama's Medicare plan. Let's take a look at his raft of lies about his own plans.
What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare and the president supports taking $716 billion out of that program. [...]
Yeah, that's a lie. Probably the biggest. By repealing Obamacare, Romney would hurt current retirees in a number of ways: seniors would again have to co-pay for preventive health services that are now free; the prescription drug donut hole would open back up, exposing some seniors to much higher drug costs; "restoring" the $716 billion in provider cuts under Obamacare would make Medicare—which current retirees are relying on—insolvent in just four years.
Number two is for people coming along that are young. What I’d do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan -- their choice. They get to -- and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them. So they don’t have to pay additional money, no additional $6,000. That’s not going to happen. [...]
Okay, maybe this one is the biggest. That's his voucher program. If you take a Romneyesque approach to the truth, you could call that one partially true, because analysis of the Romney/Ryan plan—the current plan—says that people retiring in 2023 will only have to pay an additional $3,200. But from there on? Yikes.
And by the way, if the government can be as efficient as the private sector and offer premiums that are as low as the private sector, people will be happy to get traditional Medicare, or they’ll be able to get a private plan.
How about we survey Medicare beneficiaries and ask them if they'd rather be back in the private insurance market?  In the meantime, I'll let Health Affairs answer that one: "[N]on-partisan data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) demonstrate definitively that private insurance is increasingly less efficient than Medicare."
MThe other thing we have to do to save Medicare, we have to have the benefits high for those that are low-income, but for higher-income people, we’re going to have to lower some of the benefits.
That's means-testing, and, as demonstrated above, any and every future retiree is going to be paying more under Romney's plan, no matter what their income.
Number three, it puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.
President Obama and the Congress didn't like that idea, either. That's why the Affordable Care Act explicitly prohibits the board from cutting benefits for people on Medicare. It also contains nothing, not a single provision, "that empowers the advisory board to make any decisions about what treatments doctors may provide for their patients."

There's a reason Romney lied through his teeth about what his plan would do. It's because swing state voters hate it. It's tanking his entire campaign. His only option is to lie about it.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:24 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (27+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:24:05 AM PDT

  •  Haters gonna hate, and can't blame them (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Russgirl, a2nite, Eric Nelson, mj11051

    because the ROM RY predatory voucher plan sucks like a tornado.

    Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

    by divineorder on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 11:22:12 AM PDT

  •  Even if current recipients were untouched, (14+ / 0-)

    isn't that a pretty cynical come on? "Fuck your kids, you'll be fine."

    We've been wondering how to get through the clutter and reach low-information voters. Mitt haz it.

    by Crashing Vor on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:17:57 PM PDT

  •  He doesn't want an advisory board to make any (11+ / 0-)

    decisions about what treatments doctors may provide for their patients.  However, he's totally cool with local and national government making decisions about what healthcare can be provided to women.

  •  Medicare Advantage (4+ / 0-)

    I am on medicare advantage where I had health care.  My premiums dropped from $800 month for two to $400 month for two.  Big difference.  That was 5 years ago.  No way the private market wants to insure seniors at the price of medicare.  Costs go up quickly once in the 60's and there is lots of job discrimination.  We should lower the age requirements or better go to medicare for all.  As usual Romney is in his fat cat bubble.

    •  I am so happy to live in a country (2+ / 0-)
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      cocinero, TKO333

      That has a "single payer" system.

      With my health issues (not yet totally resolved) had I lived in the US I should surely have been bankrupted by now.

      Re-elect the President. Hold the Senate. Win back the House.  

      I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

      by tapu dali on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:53:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Next Debate Obama should channel Luther (1+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State

    If Obama can dismantle the 716 Billion Medicare lie he will be able to catch Romney off guard and pummel him. HOWEVER, I doubt this will come up again between these two. But I think it will show up between Biden and Ryan.

    Romney = Nixon without the sweating problem

    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:25:52 PM PDT

  •  No Matter which Party's way it goes (0+ / 0-)

    Medicare is going to be completely gutted.

    Already happening - it is only a matter of time when care starts to get rationed. Decisions are being made today whether you get admitted for things you would have been admitted for only a year ago.

    Obama's cuts to service providers will only have those providers move out of the system or greatly reduce the level of care.

    Only thing stopping that is the possiblity of lawsuits. If the Pugs get back in, tort reform is right around the corner.

    Just make sure you have some money. Even $17K in 2050 is a low estimate.

    •  How many doctors can refuse Medicare? (1+ / 0-)
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      cocinero

      And have patients.  There are not that many of the one percent around.  If I remember correctly there are only 1 %.
      Who will be their patients if they refuse Medicare patients?  Young people with insurance, yes.  Older people who retain their employer insurance (not me).  Baby Boomers make up a big part of the US population.

      I don't know how to do the math on this, but it seems to me that there is a cut-off point here.

      “The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.” ― Voltaire

      by Time Waits for no Woman on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 07:34:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Means testing is tax avoidance by the rich. (0+ / 0-)

    And it undermines.the program among those who are middling Clara, I.e. relatively affluent but without accumulated wealth.

    If someone on Medicare has $150,000 or $500,000' that person should not pay more in retirement for Medicare. Instead, he or she should pay Medicare tax on the higher income JUST AS Everyone should. One disgrace of romney's life is that he paid very little income at x and even less Medicare tax.

    That needs to change and to an extent will. But this is a seriously divisive tactic.

    Just as everything else he's sorta proposed is stupid or divisive or both.

  •  Great diary and points, but...... (1+ / 0-)
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    cocinero

    Obama needs to have a crisp, crystal clear answer to this bullshit at the ready, and then follow it up with some associate points that call out Romney on his lying.....

  •  The Obama "zinger" that would sink Romney (2+ / 0-)
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    MeToo, Debflyer

    - and this goes for just about any topic:

    "Governor - while ____ might not be in YOUR plan, it certainly is in your running mate Paul Ryan's plan, and would certainly be passed by any Republican-led Congress.  Will you look the American People in the eye and promise to veto that plan should it come across your desk?"

    Boom.  Debate over.

  •  Wow! Mitt Romney lies? (0+ / 0-)

    I had no idea.

    Who'd have thunk?

    /snark

    I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

    by tapu dali on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:41:38 PM PDT

  •  Here is a fascinating article (0+ / 0-)

    from Reuters.  The Reuters site won't let me  grab quotes.  

    This one  deals with medicare fraud.

     fraud

  •  Three out of four prefer traditional Medicare (1+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State
    How about we survey Medicare beneficiaries and ask them if they'd rather be back in the private insurance market?
    We have done that. In spite of their best marketing efforts, 75% of Medicare beneficiaries choose traditional Medicare over Medicare Advantage plans run by private insurance companies.
  •  Theft. (3+ / 0-)
    I don’t want a voucher, thank you.  I have paid into the system since 1974, when I spent the summer working (industriously, nine hours a day) as a file clerk on Wall Street.  By 2022, when you would deny me the benefits I have earned, I will have been paying into the Medicare system for 48 years.  For you to take MY money and basically turn it over to insurance companies would be, to me, nothing short of theft.   You went to law school – explain it to me differently.
    More.

    Have you taken action today? We have work to do.

    by noweasels on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:43:50 PM PDT

  •  I've had the opportunity to listen to (2+ / 0-)

    Sirius/XM "Doctor Radio" which comes out of NYU's medical center. They have a show where the  host (a doctor) handles caller questions about insurance and all the administrative aspects of health care.

    The host is a pretty conservative guy, but he is consistently backing Obamacare, and he has been handling numerous calls over the last month on the topic, often from people who seem to hate Obama. Over and over again,  he says the same thing (and said it just yesterday):

    You can vote for Romney, that's fine. But be sure you know what he plans to replace Obamacare with before you do. Find out what his plan is. Because the current system is unsustainable.

    He also did a segment a while back where he said the overwhelming majority of doctors were in favor of it.

    I seriously wish that guy could get out to a broader audience.  But I think he may be changing some minds even on satellite.

  •  This article deals with means testing. I was very (0+ / 0-)

    surprised to find out--it is already the law.  And it doesn't have an inflation factor in it.

    means testing

  •  If he'll fire #BigBird, what do you think he'll do (0+ / 0-)

    to #Medicare and #SocialSecurity?

    "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.''
    -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr
    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"
    -- Angie in WA State

    by Angie in WA State on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:52:50 PM PDT

  •  Did anyone else notice? How about this one - (0+ / 0-)

    Previous to last night's debate, Romney/Ryan insisted that their  proposed Medicare fiasco wouldn't affect current retirees or those close to retirement - which they defined as anyone 55 years old or older. Well, last night he clearly stated that it wouldn't affect current retirees or anyone older than 60 years old! By next week, it will be anyone older than 65 ... and what about after that? Etch-a-sketch is doing what he does best - inventing it as he goes along.

  •  They knew they would be attacked on Medicare (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    MeToo

    Their coordinated response consists of continual repeated lies. It worked for them in 2010. It started this year in August with this ad. Republican members of congress are using the same approach. Steve King sent our a mailer with the same theme, even the same actor, at the same time as the Romney TV ad. Now King is running a TV ad, ironically labeled "truth," in which he repeats Romney's lies. The Des Moines Register ran a story on the ad with Christy Vilsack's campaign's response, complete with independent fact checking.

  •  Emergency Rooms cover Pre-existing Conditions (0+ / 0-)

    The one thing that Mitt was 100% correct about during the debate was his health care plan covers pre-existing conditions.  Emergency Rooms don't discriminate.  Emergency Rooms provide care despite pre-existing conditions.

    Mitt might have intended to tell a lie, but in this instance, he actually told the truth during the Etch-a-Sketch Debate!

    Dick Cheney said, "Pi$$ on 'em!" And, Ronald Reagan replied, "That's a Great Idea. Let's Call it 'Trickle Down Economics!"

    by NM Ray on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 07:02:17 PM PDT

  •  Where was Obama? (0+ / 0-)

    "We counted the ways in which Mitt Romney lied about President Obama's Medicare plan."

    Really?  But where is Barak Obama in all this?  It is HIS plan; shouldn't he be defending it himself.

    I didn't watch the debate last night, but everywhere I turned on the net and on TV, people were saying that Romney won the debate.  And given the short clips that I watched, he did indeed outduel Obama.  In fact, Obama came across to me as looking like he was ripe to make good use of his own health care plan.

    If he expects to win, then Barak Obama needs to show up for the next debate.  One more performance by Obama like last night's, and I am going to start listening to what Romney has to say.

  •  OK, IPAB doesn't get to control patient care (1+ / 0-)
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    cocinero

    But if they were to decide, for example, that brain transplants were not cost-effective, wouldn't that mean that Medicare would stop paying for them? And that nobody over 65 could get a brain transplant unless they could pay for it out of pocket?

    Of course, in real life they'll improve patient care. We keep seeing one study after another showing better outcomes from less aggressive (and presumably less expensive) treatment.

    And of course, in real life, private insurance companies are rationing care today, and doing in unaccountably.

  •  Here's what I think happened to Obama: (0+ / 0-)

    He stood there absolutely stunned to realize that every word coming out of Romney's mouth was a lie. He kept thinking "how do I challenge him on every word he says without looking completely churlish?"  Even though Obama knew Romney was a liar, he was stunned at Romney's brazenness on national TV. Unfortunately being stunned made him look a little weak. BUT. NEXT. TIME. BARACK. WILL. BE. PREPARED.
    Also, the good news is that Romney is now on record on national TV, and probably hundreds of new Obama ads, for all the lies he told. Romney has actually given Obama a gift.

    "@MittRomney spent five interviews last night whining. Time to buck up. This is politics after all, not Horse Ballet." Brad Woodhouse @woodhouseb 7-14-2012

    by surfermom on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:16:52 PM PDT

  •  The debate might show why MA voted for R-MONEY (0+ / 0-)

    This guy is a shape-shifter.  Obama was right to ask "who was that guy at the debate last night?" because it sure as shooting wasn't "severely conservative" Mittens.

    As we all saw, there are times when he tries to come off as a reasonable moderate, and if you don't look at the facts, you might get taken in.

    It occurs to me that R-MONEY won in Massachusetts (and I did not vote for him then, and I won't vote for him now) because a lot of people took him at face value, and did not look at the details.

    Obama could have called out R-MONEY on many blatantly false statements in the debate, and he missed his chance.  I hope he "gets it together" for the next two debates.

    I hope the Obama campaign can get its boxing gloves on in time to win this fight.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry November 6, 2012 MA-4 I am voting for my friends Barry, Liz and Joe (Obama, Warren and Kennedy)

    by BornDuringWWII on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 07:02:30 AM PDT

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