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One of the more prominent evangelical/fundamentalist pastors who hasn't engaged in right-wing hankering has begun carrying water for the religious right--and in a big way.  John MacArthur pastors Grace Community Church in the San Fernando Valley, and has long been well-respected in the born-again community.  His daily radio show, "Grace to  You," is one of the most popular shows on Christian radio.  Historically, he has been very critical of political hankering.  However, People for the American Way discovered that late last month, MacArthur delivered a sermon in which he declared that the Democratic Party has become "the anti-God party."  No, I'm not kidding.

We’re living in the outpouring of the wrath of God in the category of His abandoning a culture, and we’re living in the sequence that is here--a sexual revolution, a homosexual revolution, a reprobate mind that unleashes everything, including murder on a massive scale, and hate toward God.

It was shocking to me a few weeks ago, as I said last Sunday, to see that these very things that God hates and that bring down God’s judgment were affirmed as part of the Democratic Party platform. Open sex with government-provided contraception, murder of babies in wombs, God left out of the platform, and homosexual behavior even, advocating homosexual marriage--an oxymoron, since that’s impossible.

Now, all of a sudden, not only is this characteristic of our nation, but we now promote it. One of the parties, the Democratic Party, has now made Romans 1, the sins of Romans 1, their agenda. What God condemns, they affirm. What God punishes, they exalt. Shocking, really. The Democratic Party has become the anti-God party, the sin-promoting party. By the way, there are seventy-two million registered Democrats in this country who have identified themselves with that party and maybe they need to rethink that identification.

See for yourself here:  

So what are you saying, Pastor John?  Are we to therefore align with a party that sold its soul to racists and segregationists?  One whose current presidential standard-bearer has repeatedly expressed callous sentiments about the poor, has a small fortune stashed away in offshore bank accounts, may very well have lied about when he left the venture-capital firm he helped found and thought nothing about trolling in an utterly discredited conspiracy theory?  One that finds waterboarding acceptable, even though any thinking person would consider it torture?  One who elected a president who almost certainly lied to the American people in order to get us into a war?  And on, and on, and on.

As if that wasn't enough, earlier in the sermon MacArthur spewed the common fundie shibboleth that gays "unleashed on the world the horror of AIDS."  That claim, of course, has been debunked several times over.

Comments on the YouTube video are disabled, but it's possible to like and dislike the video--so head over there and start piling up the dislikes.

A week earlier, MacArthur declared that abortion even in cases of rape and incest is forbidden because abortion is inherently an "anti-God act."  So in other words, a woman should be forced to bear a child that is a product of an anti-God act.  This sermon is on YouTube as well--pile up the dislikes.

MacArthur's sermon is a textbook example of how fundie pastors have managed to throw our politics completely off-kilter over the last 30-plus years.  In this world, all that matters is that the Democrats want to kill babies and let gays marry, so therefore the Democrats are unworthy of support.  It's why you've got areas that, on paper, have absolutely no business voting Republican giving GOP candidates ridiculous winning margins.

Fortunately, a younger generation of born-agains--including yours truly--have figured out that there's a lot more to politics than just abortion and gays.  And once those of MacArthur's generation pass on (MacArthur is 73), it'll be a lot easier to win them over.

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  •  hey what about this lady who has started a support (3+ / 0-)
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    enhydra lutris, ruleoflaw, G2geek

    group for our fave GOP guy, Todd Akin
    http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/...

    This lady is washed in the Blood and so knows what the Bible means and here is how she sees the way the world should work
    “Mr. Akin’s legitimizing words reflect our deep scientific belief that God is a real man’s man, not a girlie-man. He is a highly spiritual thug. So show me where in the Bible it says that women and children are human beings with the right to stand up for themselves. Same for fruits.”

    I would love to see this lady's husband so we could get an idea of what a man's man should look like

    •  where does the Bible say that women (3+ / 0-)
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      are human beings with the right to stand up for themselves?

      what planet is she from?

      Single woman here standing up for herself - thank you.  If the gold you are selling is one who says that I shouldn't do that, then sorry that is a god I am not buying.  That model marketed by Pastor John is also one I'll be leaving on the shelf.

    •  Oxymoron (3+ / 0-)
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      washed in the Blood
      Most people wash off blood for a reason.

      Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:47:47 AM PDT

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    •  Is this a hoax? n/t (0+ / 0-)

      "Mistress of the Topaz" is now available in paperback! Link here: http://www.double-dragon-ebooks.com/single.php?ISBN=1-55404-900-8

      by Kimball Cross on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:59:25 AM PDT

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      •  Hoax? "...highly spiritual thug..." hmm... (0+ / 0-)

        Your gut questioning this as a possible hoax may be worth pursuing.

        ...Mr. Akin’s legitimizing words reflect our deep scientific belief that God is a real man’s man, not a girlie-man. He is a highly spiritual thug.
        Not quite clear who is supposed to be the highly spiritual thug, Akin or God.  And since when has 'thug' become a designation used for manly men of God?  Sure, I think we'd be happy to concede a Republican candidate like Akin is a thug, but highly spiritual at the same time? My cognitive dissonance bells are going off on that.

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:36:38 AM PDT

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  •  Freud 101: Dude's gay. (5+ / 0-)

    That guy lives for the Praise-Be-To-Glory hole.  All the anti-gay pastors do.  

    Of course their hatred is horrible, but they want us to buy the illusion that they're not gay hypocrites hiding behind the pulpit.  People should just stop taking their words literally and should just talk about these men as the closet-cases that they are.  It's a much more effective way to weaken their influence.

    Have you googled Romney today?

    by fou on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:41:03 AM PDT

  •  This fellow Evangelical is ashamed of (3+ / 0-)

    kooks like him and the rest of the Religious Right.

    •  Fear vs. love. (0+ / 0-)

      Some time between the late 1970s and the present, Evangelicalism appears to have split into two tracks.  

      The Evangelicals I knew in high school were all about God's love for everyone.  Presumably this thread still exists though it's not given media play.

      What gets the publicity today is all about fear, and the twisted psychology that comes from being fear-driven.

      What I find intriguing is how people can use the phrase "God-fearing" as a term of respect despite Jesus' commandment to love the Lord thy God.  Seems to me that "God-fearing" means "oops, you didn't get the message, did you?"  And, that religious progressives might want to consider using the phrase "God-loving" to describe their outlook.  For example, ".... God-loving Christians such as Martin Luther King and Jimmy Carter...."

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:02:09 PM PDT

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  •  The Democrats who said I am my brother's keeper? (5+ / 0-)

    The Democrats who said we have a responsibility to the least among us? The Democrats who said it is not right for our brothers and sisters to go hungry, or without health care, or without dignity?

    It's not about that, is it? No. It's about gays.

    How very Jesus-y.

    "...and if proud Americans can be who they are and boldly stand at the altar with who they love...then surely, surely we can give everyone in this country a fair chance at that great American Dream." ~ Michelle Obama

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:53:17 AM PDT

  •  I'm all in favor... (5+ / 0-)

    ...of the Democrats being the anti-god party.  This country hardly needs any more of the superstition, ignorance and bigotry of the faith-based crowd.  

    •  And I am not in favor of this but I am in favor of (2+ / 0-)
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      the Democratic Party being the party of clear, bright line between Church and State.  As has often been quoted, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."

    •  I could go for that (3+ / 0-)
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      Show them who's really the party of life and love.  Hint: it's not the Republicans, never has been, and never will be.  God is hate; God is suffering; God is death.

      Call their freaky shit out and don't show respect.  Don't let them pretend to be normal.  No, when the last tree is cut down Jesus will not come back.  No, God does not cause or cure disease.  No, neither do demons cause disease.  No, the Bible is not a science textbook.  No, the Bible does not trump the Constitution.  No, the book of Revelations is a drug trip or something, not a history of the future.  No, smearing cooking oil on things does not fix them.  No, a bunch of genocidal Bronze Age goatherders do not have anything to say worth listening to.  Etc., etc.

      Add the following planks to the Democratic Party platform:
      * Tax the property and incomes of religious institutions (it would probably run most of them out of business)
      * Proclaim that religious conviction does not trump the law of the land and aggressively prosecute wrongdoing by religious persons (child abuse including indoctrination, fundie pharmacists, etc.)
      * Institute comprehensive hate speech laws
      * Systematically purge conservative Christians from the government on the grounds that their religious beliefs make them seditious (abolish the Constitution, Catholics who really do want to answer to the Pope, etc.) and/or make them unable to perform their duties since they don't believe in the thing that it's their job to do or to fix
      * Sever diplomatic relations with the Vatican
      * Education reform, including rigorous critical thinking and science curriculum

      I could go on.

      To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

      by Visceral on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:26:48 AM PDT

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  •  Like Hitchin's said... (1+ / 0-)
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    Give him an enema before he dies and he can be buried in a match box.   This fella, and those like him, are detestable and pathetic examples of the principles of the Christianity they supposedly believe.    

    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:09:23 AM PDT

  •  I'm not anti-God; (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm anti-those-who-profess-to-know-what-god-wants-and-happily-it's-exactly-their-worldview.

    2012 bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

    by Barbie02360 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:17:02 AM PDT

  •  Actually, about AIDS (1+ / 0-)
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    in the US (not worldwide), for the first maybe ten years of the epidemic, male-to-male sexual transmission was the primary route, and the gay male community was the principal locus of the disease. (As one of my clients said, "The hard thing about this disease is trying to convince your parents that you're really Haitian.") Only later did intravenous drug use and heterosexual sex overtake (partly because the gay male community did massive and fairly effective education on safe sex).

    So the speaker isn't totally off the wall, just hasn't caught up with the changes since say 1990.

  •  in that case, I'm a proud democrat. (2+ / 0-)
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    Is it my imagination, or have the crazies really gone off the deep end with far more energy and desperation than ever before?
    Or is it that the media finally doing a better job of reporting on these religious nuts?
    Or does the availability of intertubes, and more widespread reports from individuals make us more aware of these assholes?

    There have always been fire and brimstone types polluting the country with their lies and fear based insanity. I've written here before on the Tent Revivals, Radio based cults, then T&V bible beating bastards,  and even wrote a brief study of the Gloom n' Doomers, who predicted the end of the world in error. Hell, one guy got away with three predictions, although by the time of the last one, most of his followers went elsewhere for other faith based mischief. (thousands literally starved for a time, after they gave away all of their worldly belongings).

    But, there is something different smelling about the current crop of crap. There is a tone of fear and desperation present in their voices, a hint of realizing that they are losing the yute of society, that ours never was and never will be a christian nation.

    It could not happen to a more deserving, wretched, disgusting group of washers of brain, liars, cheats, and vagabonds. But I best quit biting my tongue and mincing words. If I keep going, I will need stitches.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:26:50 AM PDT

  •  John McArthur is a premillenial and an opponent (2+ / 0-)
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    of the New Apostolic Reformaton crowd that are now the driving force in the Religious Right.

    He isn't one of the those "7 Mountains" types. He expects everything to get worse and worse, until the Anti-Christ rears his ugly head.

    He's a big deal at Rapture Forums, for those of us who like to lurk there sometimes.

    "Mistress of the Topaz" is now available in paperback! Link here: http://www.double-dragon-ebooks.com/single.php?ISBN=1-55404-900-8

    by Kimball Cross on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 10:07:25 AM PDT

    •  VERY important: everyone pay attention to that! (0+ / 0-)

      What Kimball Cross said.  Very important to keep in mind.  

      If this guy is anti-NAR, then what we need to do is support him.  Go into those forums and subtly concern-troll them into breaking with NAR.   This will contribute to fragmenting the religious right and thereby fragmenting its support for the Republican/plutocrat agenda.

      Yo Kimball: got any specific suggestions for how to approach this?

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 05:54:11 PM PDT

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      •  The premillenials are already pre-sold on (0+ / 0-)

        opposing the Seven Mountains doctrine. We don't need to do anything about that.

        The problem is, the theological divide hasn't had any political consequences yet. Premillenials adored Sarah Palin, even though her affiliation is NAR. How we would go about provoking a split is something I haven't given much thought to.

        "Mistress of the Topaz" is now available in paperback! Link here: http://www.double-dragon-ebooks.com/single.php?ISBN=1-55404-900-8

        by Kimball Cross on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 09:56:30 AM PDT

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  •  Let's add it all up (1+ / 0-)
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    This means the right-wing view of Obama is now that he's an anti-God Muslim.

  •  Not anti-God.. anti-THAT GUY's Religion. (1+ / 0-)
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    Nuff said.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 12:49:06 PM PDT

  •  This is a perfect example of why... (0+ / 0-)

    we have separation of church and state.

    In the begining...god creates mankind...mankind creates religion...religion destroys mankind...god destroys religion...the end.

    The Republican Party has been taken over by the corporatists and christian fundamentalists. The corporatists will force you into poverty, and the christian fundamentalists will force you to live under biblical law; daily gruel and scripture for all.

    by glb3 on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 12:32:44 PM PDT

  •  So, these preachers... (0+ / 0-)

    are telling their congregations to vote for a high priest in the Mormon church (Romney), and a man that espouses Objectivism (Ryan)?
    According to them, Mormonism is a cult. Objectivism is a very self centered, and atheistic philosophy.
    It's a bizzaro world we live in.

    The Republican Party has been taken over by the corporatists and christian fundamentalists. The corporatists will force you into poverty, and the christian fundamentalists will force you to live under biblical law; daily gruel and scripture for all.

    by glb3 on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 01:09:29 PM PDT

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