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I was pissed, you were pissed, we were all pissed with the President's weak performance at the first debate.  More importantly, Barack Obama was pissed off with his performance.

Nobody had to tell President Barack Obama he had whiffed when he walked off the stage in Denver Wednesday night — nor was he in the mood for a lot of advice.
“You could tell he was pissed,” said a person close to the president, “But it wasn’t like the end of the world. It was like, ‘That wasn’t good. The next one has to better.’ No apologies. No hand-wringing.”
http://www.politico.com/...

Also more importantly, it is for us.  Many of us have become lackadaisical about this race.  Romney is a stuffed shirt corporate tool and deserves to lose but that will not happen unless all of us are fully engaged. We must be volunteering, canvassing, letter writing, blog posting, facebooking, twittering and phone calling as much as we can for this President.

“It’s not a positive by any means,” an Obama aide said. “But for our supporters, the debate was sort of helpful because they have assumed the race was locked up. It isn’t. But that message hasn’t been getting through. This might scare them.”
http://www.politico.com/...

But I will say this, the next debate really does matter.

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  •  Next debate is town hall style (8+ / 0-)

    Better chances.

    Also, the foreign policy debate will be a clear victory.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:30:01 AM PDT

  •  "This might scare them"? (5+ / 0-)

    Boy, that's some fancy lemonade-out-of-lemons Staff talkin' right there ...

    Might just be me, but I'd suggest that Staff member keep their gaping maw shut until after the election.

  •  The Pressure Now Switches To Biden..... (6+ / 0-)

    Two debate disasters in a row will not do, especially if a little twit like Paul Ryan prevails.  

  •  I was not pissed at the President (8+ / 0-)

    But I was plenty pissed at the people here who did not have the President's back and used the debate as an opportunity to unload again all the bullshit criticism that many of them have been slinging his way since before he was even inaugurated. And how many of these critics didn't even watch the debate in the first place?

    And I was pissed at Mitt Romney for packing the world's record number of bold, bald faced lies that have ever been uttered in a presidential debate.

    •  amen! true colors come out and i'm not liking (3+ / 0-)
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      aaraujo, amsterdam, Hopefruit2

      the entire tone of this site during this CRITICAL election!  sometimes i think that a few folks want the orange to turn to slimey "green" (not the environmental kind, but that icky, nasty moldy kind from leftovers after a bad party is over).

    •  I was pissed at the President (1+ / 0-)
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      aaraujo

      for giving his opponents new life.  Yeah, he won on the substance, but the reality is that debates are performances more than they are actual debates, and a performance as tentative and uninspired as he gave was bound to give his opponents in the media and in the opposing party a chance to disparage him, and it gave folks who are either not hardcore Obama supporters or are persuadable or are low information a bad impression of Obama - and the reality is that these are not the sort of folks who can be expected to or are informed enough to judge things on the substance.  When they see the President not being assertive, stammering, and listless while the other guy seems confident and self-assured, they're going to judge it accordingly.  And no amount of pretending that in fact the President did wonderfully on the part of his supporters would change that.  You can't just wish it away.

      Personally aside from the President I'm angry at those who've been trying to browbeat folks into denying reality as if doing so will change the reality that the wide majority of Americans felt the President did badly.

      “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

      by puakev on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:17:01 PM PDT

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      •  A majority of Americans once believed (1+ / 0-)
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        hotheadCA

        that Iraq had WMD. I didn't. I wasn't going to change my opinion just because of theirs. They turned out to be wrong, and I turned out to be right.

        Similarly, I can't change my own perception of the debate just because other people don't agree with me. And I think when you claim a "wide majority" of Americans agree with you, you're stretching into facts not in evidence. How many people didn't even watch the debate or were significantly swayed listening to the opinions of pundits?

        I don't see how continuing to hold my own opinion amounts to browbeating you for yours.  But what I do object to strenuously is those around here who not only opined that the President did poorly in the debate, but further claimed that he lost the election thereby.

        Bollocks.

  •  Our Team Has to Debate the Opponents They Actually (4+ / 0-)
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    aaraujo, pademocrat, Supavash, jds1978

    have and not the one Obama's bipartisan spirit would wish to debate or one that would advance conservative policies based on fact.

    The Republican can say absolutely anything about anything, including as Romney's done for 7 years, flatly contradicting himself.

    Our guys have to point that out but to avoid bogging down in detail, remind audience and press that the social media are putting up video and debunking data even as the debate progresses. The Dem doesn't have to address every point personally.

    Whatever the tactic is, whether it's attacking hard or hanging back letting the opponent hang himself, it has to be performed in confidence and strength. This is audience performance art just as a big public rally is, it's not an academic debate.

    Do it and look like you mean it guys. I have more confidence in Biden on that score.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:55:25 AM PDT

  •  Debate Win is Absolutely Essential for BO (1+ / 3-)
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    zizi, kalmoth, Christin

    My guess is that the first debate debacle will resonate all the way to the next debate and the race will be even, or Romney will be slightly ahead, entering next debate.  Romney will also have the momentum.  BO has to win the debate and, more importantly, show some passion about his positions.  If he doesn't, I think it will be too late to recover and he will lose.

    I think this is possible but difficult given Romney's debate skills.  He's a great debater.  Always has been, but subject to the concessional gaffe.  It would be nice of Romney got too aggressive or made a 410K bet, but I don;t think it will happen.

    I think we'll see a little less of BO on the campaign trail over the next 6 days.  Maybe one less event a day to make time for debate prep.  That $181M will come in handy to fill the free PR void.

    Trust-Fund Kids of America Unite... save the Bush tax cuts!

    by JCPOK on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:59:13 AM PDT

    •  BO? (5+ / 0-)

      Few are folks here at Kos who use a term so close to the favorite name if teh crazy? I could be wrong...jist an observation..

      Ashes..ashes..we all fall down..

      •  um, check profiles before posting. long time dem (1+ / 0-)
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        aaraujo

        JCPOK has been on this site for a long long time - nov. 9, 2004 - joined shortly after i did.

        so, i suggest you don't get caught up in "troll hunting" - you've not been here long enough for that.

        and, btw, you ARE wrong.

        •  And has been a concern troll (4+ / 0-)
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          Christin, kalmoth, kefauver, allergywoman

          since 2004

          •  going back and reading comment history - i (0+ / 0-)

            think this is someone who is genuinely worried.  

            i know we ALL should be worried - there is too much hidden money out there - nothing is guaranteed when the other side plays dirty with unlimited resources.

            GOTV!

            •  Have to disagree with you here (5+ / 0-)

              Same talking points as some of the other concern trolls. This kind of excessive "worrying" serves no purpose other than to depress people.
              JCPOK has been called out numerous times since the debate, but continues to show up in every positive news diary to push his talking points.

            •  OH please. Get a grip. (3+ / 0-)

              You choose to defend Slimy Right Romney Ryan talking points -  that's your choice.
              But don't go around telling people hes not a troll, when he posts garbage like this.
              What's sad, is that you read this disgusting comments history according to your post, and you still defend him.

              hat tip to the commenter who found your other troll crap from 2004

              * [new] If this is true, the race is essentially tied now.

              And Romney has the outright momentum.  

              The magnitude of the debate disaster last night is truly difficult to comprehend.  It's never happened before in modern times.   We have nothing to compare it to.  We are witnessing history here and i fear that Obama lost the election in a single debate. Unprecedented.  

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:51:01 AM EDT

              * [new] I agreed with you but then re-watched the debate. (1+ / 0-)

              Re-watching the debate cleanses you of your inherent biases - i.e., I was cheering for Obama during the first viewing.  This debate was a debacle of epic proportions. The damage will be lasting.  Obama cannot recover from this.

              * [new] If Romney lost, I can't understand why... (1+ / 0-)

              the entire Democratic Party is in a complete meltdown this morning trying to keep things together.  More on this story certainly to come and there are going to be some shockers.

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:40:55 AM EDT

              * [new] Romney's lies did not matter (2+ / 0-)
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              The lies only matter if Obama called out the lies or, at a minimum, reacted to them.  Obama did nothing.  He was listless and seemingly disinterested.  Just weird.  Romney sensed this early on in the debate and it became a Romney free-for-all.  This was a horrific, hard to watch debacle for Obama.  A true epic disaster.

              I think we are witnessing history here.  The debate last night will likely be the first Presidential debate in modern history which determines the outcome of an election.  Right now, Obama is in massive trouble and will be bleeding support each day for the next ten days.  He will go into the next debate behind in the national polls.  The electoral map is going to change drastically in favor of Romney over the next week.  Obama's only chance is to have some sort of spectacularly redemptive performance at the next debate.  That's not going to happen.  Romney is too good a debater.

              I hope I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that I'm not.   This election is over.  Obama imploded last night in a way no one could have ever imagine.  Last night was shocking to the core.   Romney is going to win easily.

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 01:00:00 PM EDT

              * [new] We have to face reality. (0+ / 0-)

              Obama may very well be the first President in modern times to lose the Presidency in a single debate.  He was horrific last night.

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:46:33 AM EDT

              [new] Romney won; Game-Changer (0+ / 0-)

              I re-watched the debate.  It was worse than I thought.  Much worse.

              Obama looked disinterested, if not simply put out to be there.  That's what was most damaging for Obama.  It looked like he didn't care.  His thoughts were lazy and disjointed.  In fact,there were times when it was difficult to follow what he was trying to explain.  It was as if he was losing his concentration from one sentence to another.  He was completely unprepared.  His closing statement was so bad that I think it constituted a gaffe.  A truly wretched performance worthy of SNL parody.  It's very difficult to understand how he could be so bad.

              Romney was there to fight and got a bit too aggressive at times, but I think he held it in check enough.  He was also exceptionally prepared.  He beat Obama on almost every point and presented his thoughts in an organized, understandable fashion.  Romney was very good and almost great.

              Obama had a chance to end the Romney campaign tonight.  He didn't.  Romney now has life.  He's going to have a mini surge in the polls and it will last.  My guess is that he goes up 2-3 pts across the board, which is absolutely spectacular for a debate.  At the beginning of the next debate, the race will be tied nationally and Romney will be slightly behind in the battleground states.

              This debate was a game-changer.  

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 01:27:42 AM EDT

              This assessment is not realistic. (0+ / 0-)

              Obama was horrific tonight.  

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 01:08:45 AM EDT

              [new] "Victory" is all that matters (3+ / 0-)

              Th title of this diary says it all.  If Romney gets the Presidency by lying and Obama let's him lie, it doesn't matter how Romney won.  Winning is all that matters and Its Obama's job to at least try and make an efoort to call Romney out on his lies.

              Obama was an abject disaster last night.  It's nearly impossible to describe how bad he was and it was a pure impossibility to think he could be that bad.  I'm convinced - and I'm not joking here - that they gave him some type of anxiety medication and it turned his mind into much.

              by JCPOK on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:35:23 AM EDT

              * [new] 4 to 6 pt bounce for Romney. Game-changer. (2+ / 0-)
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              I think the correct spread on the IPSOS poll is actually 46-44 now.  In any case, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to discern trends out of these trackers.  There are simply too many variables involved and the sampling is so small on a daily basis.  I've seen some analysis which indicates that the MOE on a daily sample is 8-10%!

              I think we'll see the real results of the debate in the next round of national polling.  You could also pick the bounce up in some of the statistically significant state polling that is being done now.  We'll know soon.

              The results will not be pretty.  The debate changed the way people view Obama.  He was listless, disinterested and entirely unprepared.  People lost faith in Obama and now question whether he is up to the task.  I think the debate changed the fundamental dynamics of this race and I truly believe that the race will be dead-even within 7-10 days.

              I think Romney will get a 4-6 pt bounce from the debate and that it will be lasting.  If Obama gets run over again on the next debate, it's game over.  

              by JCPOK on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 04:18:55 PM EDT

              * [new] Trend in those polls is frightening (1+ / 0-)

              Unless they all got together and colluded to create a Romney bounce (highly unlikely), it's clear - looking at the trend from the relevant prior polling- that Romney is getting @ 6 pt. bounce form the debate.  That's frightening.  6 pts moves a lot of states blue to red.

              by JCPOK on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 04:49:54 PM EDT
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              * [new] I really hope I am. (0+ / 0-)

              But I doubt it on this one.  I think the state polls today, and the data from the recent Reuters poll, clearly points to a significant and enduring Romney bounce. Obama is in a heap of trouble right now.  

              by JCPOK on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 04:53:12 PM EDT

              * [new] The lies didn't matter. (0+ / 0-)

              The lies would have only mattered if Obama called them out, or at least showed some resistance.   He did nothing.  he was listless, apathetic and completely disinterred. It was a horrific spectacle to watch a sitting President to get beaten down like that.  

              Trust-Fund Kids of America Unite... save the Bush tax cuts!

              by JCPOK on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 04:57:18 PM EDT

              * [new] 6pt bounce for Romney... At least. (0+ / 0-)

              That's what the debate debacle will render. Obama will be behind in all the trackers by Monday.  The state numbers will be worse.

              The election is now Romney's to lose.  Obama is in severe trouble.  

              by JCPOK on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 09:57:52 AM EDT

              My guess; +6% nationally, +8% to +10% in BS (0+ / 0-)

              I believe Romney will get a 6% bounce in most national polls and anywhere between an 8% and 10% bounce in certain battleground states. The debate was a debacle for Obama.  It changed the way Americans view him.  Americans do not like to see their President getting beaten down and humiliated like that, and I don't think we have any precedent for it ever happening before.

              Some of the state numbers that will come out over the next few days will be shocking.  The shifts there could be as much as 10%.  Look for WI, OH, VA, FL and NC to all be in Romney's column by the end of next week.

              I know a lot of people on here think I'm trolling.
               I'm not.  I've been here since shortly after the site started and I've been a staunch progressive the whole time. The fact of the matter is that the debate was a horrific night for Obama and completely changed the fundamentals of the race.  It was a game-changer.  We have t be realistic about it.

              And yes.... I truly believe that Obama was on some sort of anti-anxiety or other medication the night of the debate.  It's the only plausible explanation I can come up with for his performance.  

              by JCPOK on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:33:19 AM EDT

              Tomorrow will be the big day. (0+ / 0-)
              If the tightening continues tomorrow, then Romney very likely ahead on Monday or Tuesday.  Sunday's sampling will be brutal for Obama after he gets absolutely torched on the Sunday news shows.
              I think 6 pt bounce for Romney nationally and between 8-10 pts in some of the more vulnerable battle ground states.  Overall, Romney will be even or ahead going into the next debate.  
              Obama has to win the next debate to have a chance.
              by JCPOK on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:30:04 PM EDT

              We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

              by Christin on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:29:53 PM PDT

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  •  speak for yourself, please. i was NOT "pissed" - (2+ / 0-)
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    i've watched that debate several times and find nothing to be "pissed" about.  if people actually listened instead of wishing for a pigfight, they might find some interesting arguments made against a strangely acting, lying opponent.

    sorry, i'm not in favor of rolling around in the mud with crazed fools.

    try watching that debate again - and focus on the behavior of romney.  then think it over....

  •  I'm neither pissed nor scared. (2+ / 0-)
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    aaraujo, MKSinSA

    ...I know POTUS is a lousy debater.

     I also know that the only way the front runner really loses the election b/c of a bad debate performance is if they do something astronomically stupid

    BHO isn't that dude.

    Work hard but try not to get to freaked out by the dog and pony show

    The Romney campaign is a extra-tough Tie Fighter following the Millennium Falcon into an asteroid belt, bouncing from impact to impact in a random manner. - blue aardvark

    by jds1978 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 12:44:00 PM PDT

  •  Complacent-pas moi! (1+ / 0-)
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    I have been a Democrat too long and experienced too many election horrors to ever be complacent. However-President Obama missed a chance t o put this election away.What would be wrong with calling Mittens a liar when he is lying?

    "Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?"

    by buffie on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 12:49:35 PM PDT

  •  I was not and still am not pissed (1+ / 0-)
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    aaraujo

    I refuse to get caught up in hysteria that only feeds into RW memes. Secondly, I question that report about the so-called nameless "aide" who knew what Obama was thinking about his performance.

    Not buying any of that nonsense.

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