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Panetta says Karzai should thank allied forces

LIMA, Peru (AP) — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta lashed back at Afghan President Hamid Karzai Friday, saying the Afghan leader should say thank you now and then to the allied forces who are fighting and dying there, rather than criticizing them.

Panetta was responding to Karzai's complaints Thursday that the U.S. is failing to go after militants based in Pakistan, and instead is concentrating on the insurgents in Afghanistan.

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"Those lives were lost fighting the right enemy not the wrong enemy and I think it would be helpful if the president, every once in a while, expressed his thanks for the sacrifices that have been made by those who have fought and died for Afghanistan, rather than criticizing them."
Oh please...
Asked whether the insider attacks could prompt some allies to seek a faster withdrawal from Afghanistan, Panetta reaffirmed support for the current timeline that has combat troops leaving the warzone by the end of 2014 and turning security over to the Afghan forces. Officials have said that as many as 20,000 U.S. troops could remain over time, to continue training and counterterrorism efforts.
Ignore the head of Nato disputing all your bullshit.  

Ignore that our "commitment" is eternal as Afghanistan is now an ally.

F. U.  F. U.

Leave these people to themselves.

Leave Now!

Stop the War.

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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 11:50:20 AM PDT

  •  Well I understand why Pannetta is (3+ / 0-)
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    corvo, IndieGuy, truong son traveler

    testy and Karzai is fucking corrupt.  I want to leave just because there's no salvaging it.  

    Romney/Caligula 2012!

    by sujigu on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 12:09:20 PM PDT

  •  Assume the reason we're there isn't because (4+ / 0-)

    of 9/11 and the war on terror, it's because of Afghanistan's trillions in minerals, natural gas, it's geopolitical and geographic importance and the ability to use those against China and Russia and aid in Central Asian and Middle East hegemony.  
    That's why we're still there and will remain there for years to come.  Even if they can get a significant withdrawal from Afghanistan by the end of 2014, it won't be like Iraq as things stand.  Bases will remain, at least 20,000 troops, and multiple more of that in contractors until at least 2024.  That's the plan.  I don't know what it will take to end it now.

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:53:31 PM PDT

    •  I hate saying that, "we're there". Like i have (3+ / 0-)
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      corvo, truong son traveler, allenjo

      something to do with it.  I guess we all do though don't we.

      "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:55:39 PM PDT

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    •  Not so. It's inertia and cowardice. (3+ / 0-)

      Just look at how incredibly difficult it has been for Russia to begin exploiting the far more accessible mineral/oil resources in the rather less unstable Azerbaijan region. That's child's play compared to any exploitation of the resources in land-locked, violent and utterly corrupt Afghanistan.

      It's cowardice and inertia. An unwillingness to recognize that Afghanistan is a lost cause, or lack of the courage required to admit it and leave before more American lives are wasted.

      At my most cynical, I can understand that bailing on Afghanistan before November could throw the election to Mitt Romney, and Romney's lust for a pointless war with Iran is a horrible prospect. But still.

    •  China already negotiated with Afghanistan (3+ / 0-)

      ...for the mineral rights.

      The US gets absolutely nothing, which is exactly what it deserves.


      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:15:18 PM PDT

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      •  Except for the heroin dealers (4+ / 0-)

        ...and defense contractors -- which are traditionally one and the same.


        A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

        by Pluto on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:17:14 PM PDT

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      •  Still a reason we're there in the big picture. (3+ / 0-)
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        corvo, Pluto, truong son traveler

        I didn't say who had the rights, or who will end up with the minerals if they ever do, just that the minerals are there.  We all know that now.  They're being used on the grand chessboard.  We didn't see Petraeus say there are trillions, with an S in minerals in Afghanistan but it doesn't matter because we'll never see it.

        "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:27:03 PM PDT

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        •  We are there for the defense industry. (1+ / 0-)
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          truong son traveler

          Our Overlords. That's how the US earns a living, producing and selling weapons to the rest of the world so they can protect themselves from us.

          The tax money we spend on our personal international murder sprees is sucked down a black hole and we never see it again. It emerges later in the Caymans and other private banking locales.

          In any event, China paid for the Afghanistan war, so they get the minerals. I diaried about it the other day. They are also taking over the training of the Afghans.

          Everything else is kabuki for your entertainment.


          A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

          by Pluto on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:37:59 PM PDT

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      •  True, but I'm assuming (3+ / 0-)

        the folks inside the Beltway think they can bring China to heel by exertion of brute force.

        That would be par for the course for them, don't you know.

    •  I don't believe the trillions in minerals stories. (2+ / 0-)

      They've got a high tendency to get trotted out following bad news. The political subtext to the stories is obvious: there is a reason to our being there.

      But we can't possibly start new mines in Afghanistan. Not now. And certainly not after 2014. The military knows this. We can't even provide electricity. And mines require large amounts of it.

      The most recent mine story was about the Chinese visiting Afghanistan about Logar province and the copper mine. It's an empty story. No mine, but a lot of squabbling over land.

       

  •  Looking ahead (1+ / 0-)
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    allenjo

    "... the end of 2014 and turning security over to the Afghan forces"

    This will be the time when events in Afghanistan and on the "The Grand Chessboard" become very interesting.

    Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

    by truong son traveler on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:24:49 PM PDT

  •  Pakistan (0+ / 0-)

    Afghanistan has always been a horror show. I expect the President is smart enough to know that. We are hanging around there because of his real concern: Nuclear, nutty Pakistan. They are playing both sides while driving their nuclear bombs around in delivery trucks hiding them from India. By staying in Afghanistan we can keep an eye on the real threat. If we leave it will be very difficult claiming we have any business in the area.

    The real reason repugs are against stem cell research : Someone may grow a spine for dems in the future

    by 207wickedgood on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 08:56:28 PM PDT

    •  Perhaps not..... (0+ / 0-)
      I expect the President is smart enough to know that.

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

      by allenjo on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 02:15:06 PM PDT

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