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Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaks during a campaign stop at Bun's Restaurant in Deleware, Ohio October 10, 2012.   REUTERS/Shannon Stapleton (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS ELECTIONS USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION)
At least we can all agree he can't be trusted
Do you have whiplash yet from Mitt Romney and all his lies and flip-flops and clarifications on women's health care?

Well, you're not the only one:

Obama singled out abortion as one of the issues on which Romney has recently and abruptly tried to “cloud” his position. [...]

“This is another example of Governor Romney hiding positions he’s been campaigning on for a year and a half,” Obama said.

“Is it a lie?” Sawyer asked.

“No, I actually think… when it comes to women’s rights to control their own health care decisions, you know, what he has been saying is exactly what he believes,” said Obama.  

“[Romney] thinks that it is appropriate for politicians to inject themselves in those decisions.”

Of course President Obama won't come right out and call Mitt Romney a liar, but make no mistake: Mitt Romney is lying his ass off.

In an interview with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register on Tuesday, Romney said:

There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda.
Which of course was a lie, because, as the president pointed out, Romney's been running on an extreme anti-choice agenda for a year and a half. That's why the Romney campaign corrected him and said that of course Romney would pursue an anti-choice agenda.

But that wasn't the only lie in Romney's interview. He also lied his ass off about his position on birth control coverage. Earlier this year, when he was still trying to woo his rabid base, he joined the rest of his party in supporting the Blunt Amendment to give employers the right to decide what kinds of health care their employees should be allowed to have. In trying to Etch A Sketch his way to being moderate again, he said employees should be allowed to decide what kind of health care coverage they prefer. In other words, a total flip-flop from his earlier "severely conservative" position.

Trying to appear moderate only landed Romney in trouble with his base again, so his campaign immediately started calling the professional anti-choicers to assure them that of course Mitt is still as rabidly anti-choice as they are. He didn't mean to say he wouldn't pursue an anti-abortion agenda; it's just that the question was really confusing.

(Mitt gets confused by questions quite easily, forcing his campaign to then clarify that, no, he actually meant the exact opposite of what he said. Something you definitely want in a president, right?)

Meanwhile, the campaign has Paul Ryan insisting that he and Romney are "unified" in their rabid opposition to women's health care, and their position "is consistent and hasn’t changed." And except for Romney's 10,000 flip-flops, he's right!

So now Romney has shifted once again away from trying to appeal to the moderates by pretending he's not as extreme as the rest of his party—and his running mate—and he's back to trying to assure his base that of course he's as extreme as the rest of his party and his running mate. Today, he even repeated his months-old vow to defund Planned Parenthood, a promise he'd made back when he was still trying to prove just how "severely conservative" he can be.

The president may be unwilling to call Romney a liar, but considering that Romney has now taken about a dozen different positions on women's health care just in the past 24 hours, there's one fact everyone should be able to agree on: Mitt Romney cannot be trusted.

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:15 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Bumpersticker (25+ / 0-)

    "Keep Your Mitts Off My Uterus"

    I go for the direct approach rather than implying

    “[Romney] thinks that it is appropriate for politicians to inject themselves in those decisions.”

    If we got Mitt to be slightly less dishonest and gave him some personality he could pass as a used car salesman.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:18:23 PM PDT

  •  just say 'romney, that's not true and you know it' (15+ / 0-)

    so long and thanks for all the fish

    by Anton Bursch on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:18:34 PM PDT

    •  I like that, that works , reminds me of when my (6+ / 0-)

      mother would tell us kids not to be calling each other ...Liairs and that Shut Up was a bad word.

      So we ran around the house shouting at each other...

      Hush Up !!!  Keep your trap Shut !!  False !! False !!
      Not true !!  Not True!!!
      Same meaning, LOL, but it does sound better than just Liar and works.

      Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

      by wishingwell on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:37:15 PM PDT

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    •  Agree. His answer was tortured. If someone (5+ / 0-)

      asked you if Romney's a liar, never, ever, never say, No!

      If you don't want to use that word, just say, "well look at the facts and his previous comments about banning abortion by legislation and/or the Supreme Court. It speaks for itself.

      I guess you never really can know where he stands on anything."

      It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:48:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Romney is for abortion rights, (2+ / 0-)
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      drmah, Larsstephens

      he has always been for abortion rights, he always will be for abortion rights.

      Anyone who disagrees is doubleplusungood.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 05:33:19 PM PDT

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  •  Mitt The Liar (6+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:21:01 PM PDT

  •  A good line your President should use (12+ / 0-)

    Salemanship versus Leadership

    Mitt is selling a used car as if it was a new one.

  •  I think the President said it just right. (13+ / 0-)

    He refused to be sucked into "he said this then, now he's saying this." Instead, without making any judgment about it, he just stated what Romney has said.

    “No, I actually think… when it comes to women’s rights to control their own health care decisions, you know, what he has been saying is exactly what he believes,” said Obama.
    I was wondering how they were going to catch him.
    •  He's the President (3+ / 0-)
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      vcmvo2, HappyinNM, jan4insight

      They are waiting for the President to say something "unpresidential". I think I would have handled it the way that President Obama has. The Romney people are already comparing the President to a child, using words like "sandbox" and "whining", and so forth. I can only imagine what they call the President in private.

    •  Waaaay too soft. He needs to be more blunt (6+ / 0-)

      When someone asks you if Romney is lying, YOU DON"T SAY NO!!!!  There are a gazillion ways to answer that without saying Romney is not a liar.

      Is Romney lying?

      I'll leave that to the voters, but a lot of what he's saying, the fact checkers say isn't true.

      It's hard to tell since he changes his position so often I'm not sure what his current position is.

      Are you talking about this week or last week?

      A lot of what he's saying just doesn't add up or make sense.

  •  this is calling him a liar? (11+ / 0-)
    “No, I actually think… when it comes to women’s rights to control their own health care decisions, you know, what he has been saying is exactly what he believes,” said Obama.  

    “[Romney] thinks that it is appropriate for politicians to inject themselves in those decisions.”


    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:24:55 PM PDT

  •  Ha! (10+ / 0-)
    “[Romney] thinks that it is appropriate for politicians to inject themselves in those decisions.”
    That's the politest way I've ever heard someone refer to the Republican's gung-ho position on transvaginal ultrasounds.  {grin}

    As of 02/22/2012 in Washington State pharmacists can exercise their "religious freedom" by denying women access to Plan B because the judge thinks there aren't any bigots in this state.

    by FlamingoGrrl on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:27:01 PM PDT

  •  Obama Doesn't Work That Way. (4+ / 0-)

    What's needed is for him to establish to the audience that Romney's a liar, but he can't just say it, it's not his nature.

    I know the campaign will be working on a stronger performance in promoting his own points but we shouldn't look for the kind of response to an aggressive liar that is needed.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:29:57 PM PDT

  •  Come on Obama, call Romney what he is -- a LIAR (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Just say it already! SAY IT: HE IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!! (4+ / 0-)

    FFS, it's not hard.

    •  He said, she said ... (3+ / 0-)
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      FiredUpInCA, Eyesbright, jan4insight

      Faux will just spin it as unPresidential™, as if calling liars out, is unAmerican™

      Low Info voters won't know which is which unless the media stops enabling Romney.

    •  OK - let's say at the next debate that PBO comes (3+ / 0-)

      right out and says "Governor Romney, that is a lie". How will Romney respond to that? Say he says "No it's not" and then gives his examples as to why not. Then PBO says "Yes it is" and then gives examples of why it is. And this goes back and forth and back and forth. At some point Romney says "You say that I lied? Look at this big lie you told...". To which PBO says "That wasn't a lie" and then defends himself. And back and forth and back and forth......

      It wouldn't be long before I declared them both imbeciles, and changed the channel (and possibly declared that I wasn't going to vote for either one of them).

      Actually, I don't think PBO would play this game for long - but someone else will have to fantasize about that scenerio.

  •  When did it become bad to call a liar a liar? nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  President Obama lives by a code of honor and (6+ / 0-)

      decorum. I wouldn't want it any other way. He's the kind of man I encourage my son to look up to.

      Warning: That light at the end of the tunnel just might be an oncoming train.

      by history first on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:50:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  in debates (3+ / 0-)
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      live1, FiredUpInCA, InformedDiva

      It doesn't really work, I don't think. It sounds too much like little kids squabbling.

    •  or be angry about what's going on? (0+ / 0-)

      Ok, he doesn't have to go all "angry black man", but seriously, what's wrong with calling him out on his lies? And being angry about how brazen Mittens is? Is there a different kind of angry for black people as there are for other people? Any people? I'd be angry, too, to witness Mittens just truly trounce any sense of responsibility or reality and even brazenly try to co-opt some of POTUS's ideas as his own to make it like it was his idea. Call the snake oil salesman for what he is. He will truly say anything to win. What is wrong with calling him on it?

    •  Well, the answer to that, IMO, (1+ / 0-)
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      is that lies have become a very acceptable part of public life. However, people do get upset when you tell a bad, poorly constructed lie. After all, a professional politician is expected to adhere to certain standards. If a politician tells a substandard or badly crafted lie, or tells one with insufficient commitment, the audience feels rightly insulted. Are they not worth the issuance of a high quality lie, after all? Who does the politician think they are? Turnip truck refugees??

      The other thing the public expects is for politicians to tell them things that support the lies they tell themselves. Like, "America is the greatest country in the history of the world." Or "Americans are the kindest, most generous people anywhere." The list is very long and people want validation for their particular repertoire of self-delusion.

      Bottom line: only poor quality lies are objectionable.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:49:05 PM PDT

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  •  Time to call the liar a LIAR. No reason not to. (0+ / 0-)
  •  romney isnt pro life he is pro lie (3+ / 0-)
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    fight2bfree, doraphasia, Vicky

    "With malice toward none, with charity for all..." -Abraham Lincoln not a modern republican

    by live1 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:40:48 PM PDT

  •  My President... (1+ / 0-)
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    is going to polite himself right out of a job, godammit. Polite is for tea parties not the Tea Party. Somebody earlier suggested Obama skirt this Liar business completely by saying "You can see for yourself Romney's dishonesty by going to..." and then quickly citing pre-set YouTubes of Romney himself, LYING. Most people won't go nut it doesn't matter. Romney can't say "No there are no YouTubes" he could only spurt bullshit about "context". It would be too late,
    Obama has moved on to the next issue citing yet another series of video clips displaying Romney's LYING. What could be simpler? I don't really like Social Media but this shit would work and avoid the "You're lying" "No, you are!" "No, you're the Liar" blablah.

    •  Obama is walking a thin line (1+ / 0-)
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      between being presidential....and being perceived as being churlish (you are likable enough, Hillary")  

      I also think that Mitt was trying to get him angry....and the lies, some of which Mitt believes, was a tactic feed to him by his handlers.

      That is where Mitt kind of reminds me of Reagan:  he does believe the bs he says, while at the same time he believes because he says it, it must be true.

      There are ways of calling Mitt a big fat liar without using those words, but if done skillfully enough, it could finally make him lose his temper, which would be more harmful to Mitt than actually calling him a liar.    

  •  What he has been saying is exactly what he believe (0+ / 0-)

    There, see how easy it is? Obama keeps doing it over and over, providing the other side with sound bites that can be (and rest assured, they will be) taken out of context in order to show that Romney is the good guy, the honest guy, the victim in all this lying.

    Now, we know what Obama meant, and we know that it's not a good thing for Romney. But the way he says it, Obama keeps giving them ammunition. Frankly, Obama is lousy at choosing his words, even when he means well.

    "It's not funny, Jack" - Chris Matthews, dressing down Jack Welch for being an asshat regarding job statistics.

    by lotac on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:45:26 PM PDT

  •  Shouldn't we just accept (1+ / 0-)
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    the fact that President Romney did a better job in the debate and get on with our own lackluster lives?

  •  and so's his spouse...a big fat liar (0+ / 0-)

    yea, i do know that spouses and kids are supposed to be "off limits"

    but not anymore

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:48:23 PM PDT

  •  If this is the best Obama can do (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe we should just let Clinton do the debates.

  •  Obama needs to make it perfectly clear... (2+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun, drmah

    that Romney was pandering to the right during the primaries and is now drifting center-right.

    He needs to say it...

    "I can be trusted to protect a women's right to choose. You simply do NOT know what Romney will do."

  •  Romney's capaign is full of $hit, but clever (1+ / 0-)
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    They've noticed that the media is never as hard on the right wing as they are on the left, so they have made the media their enablers by not calling them out on the spot

    There should be a running commentary or a scroll disputing Romney's assertions while presenting these debates live, otherwise the media is doing a disservice to the public.

  •  I have a question . . . (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone know where to go to find longer clips of these statements Romney has made? I just saw a clip on Rev. Sharpton's show of Romney denying he ever said he'd cut taxes for rich people. He tells the interviewer to watch the tape again and again as if he said something more complicated than the across-the-board tax cut it sounds like.

    I know opponents are guilty of taking words out of context and running soundbites to prove their claims; I'd like to know if our side is doing the same thing. It's hard for the president and his surrogates to counter someone who denies saying something if they -- and we -- aren't able to see the full statements for ourselves.

    Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

    by ponderer on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:51:59 PM PDT

  •  I'm not afraind to tell Romney he's a liar (1+ / 0-)
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    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
    Without calling someone a liar, a Obama can ask a Romney to explain Romney's contradictions in his statements.

  •  Maybe he wants to save his big zinger... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and actual "you're a liar" phrase for the actual debate, when it might actually matter?

    Whatever that phrasing will be, or how he'll work it in, won't be revealed until it's showtime?

    That's the best I can take away from this. Otherwise, I don't understand this strategy at all. There's a fine line between rope-a-dope and herp-a-derp, and man, he's barely walking it.

  •  I hope Obama is not this poilte in the next debate (3+ / 0-)
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    icebergslim, CS in AZ, FiredUpInCA
    “Is it a lie?” Sawyer asked.

    “No, I actually think…

    How about at least suggesting that it isn't the truth to hold both the position that government shouldn't impose itself in this very private decision and that it ought to be able to.
    •  Well maybe that is what Romney wants (0+ / 0-)

      Everybody knows by now that Romney will say anything. The rightwing takes comfort out of that fact, because they assume that he will act as a serious conservative.
      Some moderates believe he lies to keep the crazies happy, and he may be a reasonable alternative.

      It is probably better to say that Romney was telling the truth, when he uses his crazy talk.

  •  confusion (2+ / 0-)
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    Gamblndan, doraphasia

    Mitt Romney often says one thing in an interview and then his spokesman corrects it.
    For example, he said "the health of the mother" and then had it corrected.

    That's not a mistake.
    It's a deliberate attempt to deceive.
    He is trying to have most people believe that he is moderate, and then only a few people ever see the correction.

    He's playing a game there.

    Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

    by mattinjersey on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:56:48 PM PDT

  •  this isnt the debates and the way this was (2+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, doraphasia

    worded saying romney lied wouldnt have worked out well.
    did he lie when he said he was pro life? see - the question was mirky

    lets stop beating up Obama on every little statement

    "With malice toward none, with charity for all..." -Abraham Lincoln not a modern republican

    by live1 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 03:56:59 PM PDT

  •  Answer to the question "Is he lying?" (3+ / 0-)
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    ferg, FiredUpInCA, splintersawry

    Yes, of course he is lying, because he's taken so many different positions that are contradictory. On abortion rights, he was either lying then or he's lying now, because both yes and no cannot be the truth. It's not possible for anyone to know what, if anything, he actually believes since he changes his stance every few minutes. His plan is simply to lie his way into office.

    I truly do not know what is wrong with simply saying Yes, he is lying.

  •  "No legsltn that I'm familiar w/" = bamboozlement! (2+ / 0-)
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    Ugh!!  This is Lawyer Romney bamboozlement at its most transparent:

    There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda.
    That sentence has so many lawyerly caveats and escape-exits that it's not even funny. Let's parse:

    "no legislation" -- well, what about packing the US Supreme Court with anti-abortion activist judges who would overturn Roe v Wade? That's not legislation, but it sure as heck affects a woman's right to choose.

    "that I'm familiar with" -- LOL, OMG! That's almost as bad as Alberto Gonzales' testimony, in its evasiveness. "If I propose a bill in 2013, then I couldn't have been familiar with it in 2012!"   "That bill that the GOP just passed in Congress and that I'll sign? Nope, I wasn't familiar with that in 2012."

    "with regards to abortion" -- cutting funding to Planned Parenthood, cutting funding for sex-ed, abstinence-only ed, etc. -- "Noooo, those aren't about abortion, they're about balancing our budget."

    "become part of my agenda" -- "just because I speak out against abortion and appoint judges who are anti-abortion and campaign for candidates who oppose abortion does not mean that it is part of my agenda. I do a lot of things."


  •  What is it going to take to wake Obama up? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry but he still sounds asleep in this interview!  There is no passion!  No excitement!  No nothing!  Same guy as in the debate!

    Problem with Obama is that he just doesn't like verbal confrontations!  He has probably never been in a shouting match in his entire life.  It seems that this kind of stuff if beneath him, but he doesn't get that the American people, and especially his base, want to see him fight!  Fight for himself, his ideas and especially fight for us!!!

    If he stays on this path, and doesn't really go after Romney hard on his changing positions, and get some of what could be brutal flip flop ads up on the air fast, he will be gone.

    If that was me, I would be freaking pumped up and salivating for the chance to get at this guy again and I don't even feel he's even anxious to even prep again...

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the attitude!  Even if he doesn't feel pumped up and like he wants to fight, FAKE it for his supporters to get the base juiced!! That interview put me to sleep!!!

    I'm still gonna fight so hard for this guy but I'm sorry to say I'm getting big time anxiety and heartburn that the guy we hope shows up to take on this punk Romney even exists in Obama's body someplace..

    Anyone agree?

    •  I'm going to guess you didn't even watch the inter (0+ / 0-)


    •  I didn't watch the debate, but sadly I have to (0+ / 0-)

      agree that in this clip from this interview I didn't see the fight or fire in his eyes or hear it in his voice. He sounds tentative and it seems he isn't really on board with what I thought was going to be the new campaign message since Extreme Makeover, Debate Edition: that Mittens is a serial flip-flopper who says whatever he thinks will work best in the moment with no regard to the truth.

      I found his answer about Mittens' lies unsatisfying and somewhat mystifying. He should have just said, yes he's clearly lying, either then or now. Which of his multiple positions might be true, who knows?

      If this is Obama coming out to reset him image after the debate, I have to admit am still worried too. Unfortunately. When he's giving rally speeches, he often totally rocks, and he's a been a very good president who I think has a lot to be proud of, but this guy who cannot seem to find his footing between being the President and being a brawler in the midst of a hard fought political campaign, especially in national television settings, is hurting him. I realize it's got to a difficult balance, but this interview really is not particularly reassuring to me at this point.

      •  Has he ever straight out called someone a liar (0+ / 0-)

        though? i don't think so, and the media would be on pearl clutching time for days if he did.

        •  So what? The media are already doing that (0+ / 0-)

          over his debate performance. When someone is obviously lying, it needs to be addressed directly. In my opinion. He doesn't have to call him a "liar" so much as simply point out the FACT that he takes so many contradictory positions that no one can possibly know his true positions, if he has any.

  •  Doesn't have to say liar, but (0+ / 0-)

    “No, I actually think… when it comes to women’s rights to control their own health care decisions, you know, what he has been saying is exactly what he believes,” said Obama.  

    “[Romney] thinks that it is appropriate for politicians to inject themselves in those decisions.”

    Whats wrong with flip-flopper?  A word or two of plain english for the low information voters.   He needs less finesse and a plainer message to counteract the Romney he debated,

    If money is speech, then speech must be money. Call your mortgage company and pay your rent now.

    by dkmich on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:03:14 PM PDT

  •  Gosh, If Only... (2+ / 1-)
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    ...all of us, including yours truly, could advise this really dumb President man, maybe then shit would straighten out. Yo.

  •  Why are anchors always trying to bait him into (3+ / 0-)
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    Vicky, zizi, jan4insight

    calling Romney a liar? cause then that would be the story, not Mittens ever changing positions.

  •  romney is actually going insane (0+ / 0-)

    I believe that when "queen" ann mentioned his mental? health, this was the clue that those who knows romney have recognized that the only explanation for romney's behaviour is insanity. He lies with absolutely no compunction: this  is "advancing " insanity. What else could it be?

    romney = GOPperhead (the art of baffling with bullshit)(7)∞

    by longtimelurker on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:13:48 PM PDT

  •  he could tell a personal anecdote... (1+ / 0-)
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    He could mention that when his daughters were younger, one of his them read the story of Geppetto and Pinocchio or the one about the little boy who cried "wolf" and asked to discuss it with him.  

    And then he could say, "you know, I'm thinking of that tale just now because it seems that [Serial Liar] Mitt Romney did not learn the right lesson when his parents talked about it with him..."  

    This would (a) illustrate that the Obama children are bright and inquisitive, unlike the Romney boys, who were raised to be liars by one son's own admission; (b) not cast aspersions at the Romney parents, who tried to raise their obstinate son correctly; and (c) make the point that Serial Liar Mitt Romney is still an immature little boy who loves to lie and often misses even the most basic points when he looks at life.  

  •  Too much nuance in that answer (5+ / 0-)

    People are looking for straight talk and straight answers at this stage of the game.  The Romney bounce should show everyone that the voters who are persuadeable at this time are those who are reacting on the latest info they receive.  They have not been intune the entire campaign and won't leap up at the next debate and say "ah-ha, he changed his position."

    •  Agreed! (1+ / 0-)
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      We well-informed folks get it, but low-information voters won't.  He was asked if Romney is lying, and he said no, and then said a bunch of other words.

      If he wishes to remain subtle, I would suggest "you be the judge".  As in

      Reporter: Are you calling Romney a liar?

      Obama (or surrogate): well, you be the judge.  Here's what he said today: XXX.  Here's what he said yesterday: YYY.  And here's his track record: ZZZ.  Maybe there's some explanation for how all that can be true, but from where I sit, all those things can't be right.

  •  Mitt: cloud sourced from his opinion cloud (0+ / 0-)

    or pettifog if you're old fashioned.

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:17:17 PM PDT

  •  he SHOULD just say "yes it is" (4+ / 0-)

    He is being too careful again.  During the debate Romney straight out accused Obama of not being truthful and it worked.  It seems like despite all the talk of being more agressive, Obama is still being his overcautious self.

    •  Exactly! (0+ / 0-)

      If Romney says Obama is not being truthful and Obama does not vigorously oppose that, and if Obama, when asked, refuses to call Romney a liar, the less-informed public is going to treat it as if it is uncontested that Obama is a liar and Romney is not.

      There are ways to make the point while maintaining dignity. Point out how Romney's statements don't comport with the truth, and if a reporter asks point blank if he's calling Romney a liar, say that the particular statement is false and the reporter should draw her own conclusion.

    •  He is being too.. (0+ / 0-)

      The President is being too careful again but, maybe, just maybe he is leaving the direct line of attack for the debate. Don't give romney a clue as to the "direct assault" on his character flaws until the debate. Let him think the President will say" things" but in a passive manner until it is time (during the debate) to lower the freakin' BOOM.
      Mtich romney is insane.

      romney = GOPperhead (the art of baffling with bullshit)(7)∞

      by longtimelurker on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 05:05:39 PM PDT

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  •  If he were Bill Clinton, he might have chuckled (5+ / 0-)

    and said, "Well, like a lotta folks, I'm just getting confused as to what his position is. He's been campaigning against choice for 2 years. Then he tells the Register he's not in favor of changing the law. Then he comes out later repudiating what he told the newspaper editors. I'm sorry but I just can't work out what he thinks about this issue or even about a lot of others."

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:36:14 PM PDT

  •  Garnering the hopes and minds of the voter... (0+ / 0-)

    I don't get the passive approach at all.  If I to pick one gripe with Obama's first term it would be his inability to communicate.  Being "polite" to many is just being "defensive" or "insecure".  If you don't speak with congruency - people will not follow you.  

  •  At the next debate PBO should say (1+ / 0-)
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    she the technocrat

    something along the lines of, "Governor Romney seems to think that he can have it both ways. I'll admit he caught me off guard at the last debate because on every issue he held a new and decisively more moderate opinion than the one he pledged to his base over the past year and a half. Now he wants to convince those who are understandably just now beginning to pay attention to the elections that he has no anti-abortion agenda but that's not what my adversary has been preaching to the far rightwing of the Republican Party for 18 months...and it's not just this very important issue but every topic he discussed at the debate...and the fact checkers agree with me. Starting tomorrow on my election website I will have an array of contradicting videos of Mr. Romney in his own words on every topic from blind trusts to abortion...from foreign affairs to his mathematically challenged budget plans. Come see for yourself exactly where he stands...or doesn't on any given topic and then ask yourself if this is a man you can trust. We've got a crew working around the clock to update the site as his opinions change, seemingly at the speed of light. We'll also post a handy archive cataloging instances of his campaign backtracking his statements practically in real time. Back to you Candey."

  •  Romney is rot (0+ / 0-)

    His whole life has been dirtied by his bullying, cheating, scamming and lying.  As a school boy he was a horrible little thug.  As a businessman he was in a league that includes Bernie Madoff.  And as a bishop . . . he makes even the worse Catholic bishop look like a lovable saint.  But thousands adore him because he is super nasty and arrogant.

  •  I WANT him to say he's lying. Just say it. And (0+ / 0-)

    then calmly and simply repeat it.  Have reasons to back it up.  That's what I want my president to do.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:43:48 PM PDT

  •  If this is what we're to expect at the next debate (1+ / 0-)
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    CS in AZ

    then I just want to crawl under the bed right now.

    I love my President and am canvassing and voting for him but this is NOT what he needs to be doing at the next debate when Romney lies.

    He needs to call the lies what they are.  And stand by that.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:46:25 PM PDT

  •  Wow -- lots of slamming the O-Man here (3+ / 0-)
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    Vicky, she the technocrat, CS in AZ

    You must all be trolls.

    Seriously, though: interviews and debates are two different things, so maybe there's hope that Mr. I Got This will find a way to fight for himself and us next Tuesday.

    Who the hell knows?

    The man NEVER choked in the clutch until Denver.

    Once more, and we can chalk this election up.  I just can't believe that could happen.

  •  I don't get the big taboo about the word LIE. (1+ / 0-)
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    CS in AZ

    Why is everyone afraid to call untrue statements lies and those who repeat them liars? Why do they get to be more offended that we're calling them liars than we get to be offended by their blatant lies?

    “Make the doors upon a woman's wit...'twill fly with the smoke out at the chimney. A man who had a wife with such a wit, he might say 'Wit, whither wilt?'"

    by Wit Whither Wilt on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 04:58:22 PM PDT

  •  Just came across a great article on this topic (0+ / 0-)

    in The Guardian UK:

    Wish our "librul media" were half as competent and consistent in presenting the truth as these guys.

  •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

    Ann Romney should be worried about her husband's mental health whether he wins or loses. He appears to be a pathological liar and perhaps he does not even realize he is lying because it is second nature for him and so ingrained in his personality. He seems to do it so easily. Somebody should look up his personality disorder in the DSM. I wonder if he also talks to himself.

  •  Depends on what your meaning of "is" is.... (0+ / 0-)

    Romney is playing semantics with this one. He's saying there's no legislation that would be part of his agenda because they write new legislation for the new Congress!!!!

    This level of evasiveness would be unworthy of a prevaricating fifth-grader. I'm just amazed they didn't call him out on it.

  •  I think Obama was wise to avoid the word lie (2+ / 0-)
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    zizi, jan4insight

    If you read Romney's statement carefully, he actually didn't lie.  He just misled people about his position on abortion.  Obama can improve the semantics and sentence structure a bit, but his point that Romney believes that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and that he will sign whatever comes in front of his desk that moves towards that right wing objective.

    Obama doesn't need to get hung up on Romney as a liar. Obama needs to do two things in this next debate to win:

    - drive Romney to the right in every issue discussion.  T
    - provide a stirring defense of what he has accomplished.

    Romney's lies and flip-flops don't matter.  What matters is that he is a right wing extremist and an enabler of those destructive policies.  The simple answer is "no matter what Romney says in this debate, his real position is X.  That position is a return to the policies of the past that brought this economy to the brink of depression.

    On the second point, he needs to talk about the auto bailout, the ACA, the job numbers, Bin Laden, green jobs and do so pridefully.  That's all.

    He is going to win the second debate.

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 05:32:46 PM PDT

  •  Well (0+ / 0-)

    bless his heart.

  •  Obama may not say "liar", but if he should appear (0+ / 0-)

    wearing a complete fire fighter uniform with absestous covering, I would centainly understand.

  •  Oh for fuck's sake (0+ / 0-)

    Did you listen to the entire exchange?

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 06:20:23 PM PDT

  •  "Contest for World's Greatest Liar" (0+ / 0-)

    Snow White, Superman and Pinocchio are walking along. They see a sign: "Contest for World's Most Beautiful Woman." Snow White goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing a crown.

    They walk along and see another sign: "Contest for World's Strongest Man."  Superman goes in, later comes out smiling, wearing the belt.

    They walk along and see a sign: "Contest for World's Greatest Liar." Pinocchio goes in, later comes out with his head down, crying "Who the hell is Mitt Romney?"

    To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. -Abraham Lincoln

    by Eyesbright on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 06:47:41 PM PDT

  •  again obama (0+ / 0-)

    is afraid to call romney what he is, a liar, as he watches his lead slip away and he tells his supporters to get energized but he again takes the position that i can't say the word shit with shit in my mouth, its time to take off the gloves mr president or you will be citizen obama in jan 2013.

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