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Some sites and polls say Biden clearly won (MSNBC, Huff Post, CBS Poll), and others say it was a draw (NBC and CNN commentators and CNN Poll).  However, lets not forget the objectives of the evening for Biden:  1) Stop the Bleeding in terms of Momentum  2) Re-engage the base.  Both were accomplished.  This is a VP debate, the best Biden could do is stop the bleeding - and he did!  The worst he could have done is flubbed it, and allowed another day or two of bad news.

Clearly, the worst Joe Biden will come out of this is a draw, and one of the key issues discussed (abortion) is critical to the group that Obama has seen the most slippage in the past week.  

This debate (which is at worst a draw to a moderate win for Biden) will dominate the news cycle Friday.  No one cares over the weekend.  Once we get through to Monday, all the focus will be on the next debate, rather than last weeks debate.  If O brings his A game, he (and we) win!

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  •  The GOP and their Village friends (0+ / 0-)

    will go after Biden on the laughing ... we gotta have his back!

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 09:12:06 PM PDT

    •  I'd be laughing too (3+ / 0-)
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      Anne Elk, GOPGO2H3LL, pswiderski

      If I had to sit there and listen to all the happy horseshit spewing out of Ryan's mouth.

      I read Biden's reactions as "I can't believe this guy expects people to believe what he's saying."  I don't know if that's how others will see it, but I also don't care.

      Biden won, and won handily.

      As Chuck Todd pointed out, when the opponent is pointing to physical characteristics and complaining about the moderator, that means they know they lost.

  •  Unfair camera angles (0+ / 0-)

    The camera on Ryan had him facing in towards the center and toward the viewing audience.
    Bidens camera had him facing not toward the center, but to the left and out of the frame.

    Clearly a disadvantage for Biden who would be perceived as facing away frim the audience.

    Who was responsible for this bad choice of camera angles?

    "Humankind cannot bear very much reality." - T.S. Eliot

    by fixxit on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 09:26:09 PM PDT

  •  most seem to suggest more of a draw (0+ / 0-)

    arguments on both sides that their guy won. CBS polling suggests Biden, CNN suggests Ryan.

    A "big win" for anyone? Not particularly. Solid performances I'd say is more like it

    a little bit of this, a little bit of that

    by MWV on Thu Oct 11, 2012 at 10:27:36 PM PDT

  •  Joe won hands down. Period. CNN is no longer (1+ / 0-)
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    pswiderski

    a credible news source. Period. Ryan knows absolutely nothing about foriegn policy and Joe Biden wiped the floor with him. Joe also proved who cared about the middle class of this country and people believe him hands down over Lyin Ryan because Joe's been proving it for over 20 years.

    "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice. We must put our hands on it and we must bend it in the direction of justice." MLK

    by mindara on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:30:47 AM PDT

  •  oh, a clear win (0+ / 0-)

    Biden clearly carried the night - and while Republicans may not have been moved, they saw the passion on the other side.  The debate stopped cold the narrative about a Romney/Ryan momentum.  People will begin looking at stabilizing numbers and say he did the job.  Obama was going to win anyway - and now some of that credit will go to Biden.

    By the way, I saw a presidential candidate last night in Biden in a way I never thought about before. I would vote, but more importantly, actively work for him.  He works for me. That's clear enough.

    "It's a Christmas Miracle!" (SNL, 9/15/2012)

    by pswiderski on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:43:39 AM PDT

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