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  •  Maybe they are waiting for someone to offer (7+ / 0-)

    A free dinner?
    An entertainment center?
    A vacation?

    Carpe Diem! @leliorisen

    by Lelio Risen on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 02:54:25 PM PDT

  •  Good one. (3+ / 0-)
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    TheGreatLeapForward, OLinda, rbird

    Thank you.

    2012 Elections: POTUS - Obama; CA-47 (new) - Lowenthal

    by mungley on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:04:42 PM PDT

  •  the ridiculous focus put on these undereducated, (6+ / 0-)

    underinformed types who will end up making a "gut" decision--if they decide to vote at all--is really starting to bug me.  Who cares WTH they think?  They are not the deciding factor of the election--regardless of what the MSM is trying to tell people.

    If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

    by livjack on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:07:03 PM PDT

  •  Undecided Voters (3+ / 0-)
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    bdop4, claude, gneissgirl

    (not sure the embedding will work). If not, here is a link:

  •  I always think of the school election (0+ / 0-)

    South Park. "I don't know.....I don't know"

    FFS! Throw a dart of something.

    "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

    by high uintas on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:08:03 PM PDT

  •  All I wanted was a toaster oven...I'm not going (1+ / 0-)
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    To fall for that again.

    I can’t decide who’s cuter – the dead guy with the arrows in his chest, or the guy in the ditch with the seeping wound. -- Game of Thrones (Heard on Set)

    by prodigal on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:08:34 PM PDT

  •  If this is based on real scientific studies... (0+ / 0-)

    .... can you provide a cite? It certainly sounds like something which should be researched. I'd like to know how society can help these people. Boy, do they need help.

  •  T&R'd for the use of fencewire monkey surrogates. (4+ / 0-)
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    bdop4, davidseth, Wreck Smurfy, Simian

    I haven't seen those since a National Geographic episode a loooong time ago.

    God be with you, Occupiers. God IS with you.

    by Hohenzollern on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:11:41 PM PDT

  •  I love SNL's take (0+ / 0-)

    "What is oil? What is used for?"

    (although I don't think they are all morons, as evidenced by my diary this morning)

  •  I laugh at these voters but... (4+ / 0-)

    ...then I consider the Portland Oregon mayoral race, and I've been an undecided voter for months.  

    On the one hand Jefferson Smith is a populist, but clearly has some problems in his personal life, past and present.   Charlie Hales is the establishment guy for the liberalish Portland establishment, but walked away from the city council and chose to live out of state.

    I'm sure to their advocates I must look like an idiot.  But I just don't know what the right thing to do in this election is.   I guess I'm leaning toward Hales because of the problems, or dirt(?) on Smith, after being slightly in favor of Smith.

    Now, my excuse is that they are all basically liberal democrats, more or less, and ANY fool could tell the difference between Romney and Obama.  

    I have friends pulling for both Smith and Hale.   I imagine undecided voters are surrounded by people who prefer both candidates, and can't really use the question of which one their friends like to sort it out.

    Anyway, I am an undecided voter in the Portland mayoral election, and just like these national undecideds, my predominant feeling is that neither candidate is terrible, but neither is great... it's just kind of a meh-ness of a meh-ness.  

  •  As a former undecided voter (6+ / 0-)

    I can tell you that my husband and I simply did not pay any attention to politics, local or national.  We voted in all elections off year and on.  And on the last day we would get on the internet, look stuff up and mark our ballots.  We didn't watch broadcast tv, mostly movies and the movie channel.  However, I spent most of my time back in those days, hanging out with my son, or doing research on the latest in my industry.  

    I never really felt like an American (born and raised in California) and I never felt like the person in the White house cared about my community unless it was to pander for votes.  So I voted for the least obnoxious (usually Democrat sometimes some Green party person or whatever), based on last minute research, and then tuned back out.  

    Lack of education condemned me to ignorance on the implications of the SCOTUS (I have a Master degree...what does that say?)

    Obama's run changed my outlook.  I now pay close attention.  I'm an officer in the party, I was a delegate, and I'm involved with advocacy groups.  But deep down, I realized yesterday, that if Obama doesn't get reelected then my original, cynical, view of this country will be reconfirmed.  And I'm not sure I will be as engaged next time around.  My dad says that's bad.  But Obama's reelection is so important to this country and it's so much bigger than the man or his policies.  Him not winning will be solely because of the color of his skin (and all that implies) and my cynicism will be back...

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. ~JFK

    by TheUrbanRevolution on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:17:02 PM PDT

    •  I was going to make a longer comment (3+ / 0-)
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      but this made my point: undecideds aren't unable to decide, they're just less informed. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something. Some people don't have the time or the care to follow politics.

      You can make fun of those people (like this comic does), or you can try to inspire those people. But they're mutually exclusive choices: people won't be inspired by someone who looks down their nose and sneers at them.

  •  I Vote For The Person Not The Party (6+ / 0-)

    Always hated that expression. I always reply I vote for the policy not the person. If you look at it that way the decision is much more tangible.

    •  character matters (0+ / 0-)

      As we've recently seen, it's not so much the policy that matters, it is the character of the person we elect and trust to carry out that policy.  

      We have a person that says I don't know anything about plans to take control of women's bodies but associates with people and politicians that are doing exactly that. Who's political platform contains those policies.  

      It is character that helps us distinguish those who  authentically  share our values and those simply telling us what we want to hear to obtain power over us.

      --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

      by chipoliwog on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:33:31 PM PDT

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  •  Easy to be undecided when the choices are (0+ / 0-)


    I can absolutely understand not wanting to commit to a candidate in this election.

    Time to go clothespin shopping, I guess.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:40:13 PM PDT

  •  Hey Undecideds, maybe this will help.... (6+ / 0-)

    (this is from a Kos diarist and I don't remember who. My apologies) You want Mitt? Then here's what you'll get:

    The economy didn't just crash under a Republican president, it crashed under Republican policies. It crashed with low taxes. It crashed with deregulated markets. It crashed with huge restrictions on union activity. It crashed with massive cuts in environmental regulations. It crashed with lowered trade barriers. It crashed with big fat Pentagon spending.

    They got what they wanted. They got CEOs with no limits on their wealth. They got banks with no limits on their "creativity." They got trade agreements that guaranteed manufacturing could be moved to the dirtiest, cheapest, most desperate source available. They got massive cuts in capital gains taxes and equally large boosts in the wealth they could pass along in estates. They got everything they said would make us all wealthy. They got record oil and gas drilling. They got record giveaways of public land. They got everything they said would create jobs. They got the middle class to shoulder more, more, more of the burden so that those beautiful job creators would be free to work their magic.

    They can't say the economy crashed because taxes went up, because they didn't. They can't say that the economy crashed because there was a raft of new regulation, because there wasn't. They can't blame it on "union thugs" or Saul Alinsky or the guy who writes Happy Holidays cards at Hallmark. They can't blame it on a president who was elected when the world was already in free fall. Only, of course they do. They say it because they have no choice.

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 03:48:25 PM PDT

  •  My theory is that 'undecideds' don't actually vote (1+ / 0-)
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    .....just a hunch

    The Romney campaign is a extra-tough Tie Fighter following the Millennium Falcon into an asteroid belt, bouncing from impact to impact in a random manner. - blue aardvark

    by jds1978 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 04:01:02 PM PDT

    •  Many don't (1+ / 0-)
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      and you're much closer to the reality of the majority of "undecided voters" than the other commenters here.  The majority of them are not undecided betweem different candidates, they are undecided as to whether they will vote.  In most cases they wi9ll only ever vote for one party, the party of their parents.  Nut they're unlikely voters.  The huge turnout numbers Obama rolled up in 2008 were the result of a campaign that reached deeply into the Democratic pool of partisan unlikely voters.  They decided in large numbers to vote last time.  Governing with the so-called "pragmatic" policy of ditching or sidelining one's own constituencies in order to placate one's sworn enemies is the surest way to deflate  the numbers of partisan undecideds the next time you want their votes.  In other words, not at all "pragmatic" in any useful, meaningful political sense.

      Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

      by ActivistGuy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:18:38 PM PDT

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  •  David Sedaris said it best (2+ / 0-)
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    gneissgirl, manyamile

    about the undecideds in a piece in the New Yorker four years ago:

    "To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. 'Can I interest you in the chicken?' she asks. 'Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?'

    "To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked."

    2012 GOP Platform: "I've Got Mine, Jack."

    by Yankee Patriot on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 04:27:52 PM PDT

  •  ya know (1+ / 0-)
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    One of the kinda snap polls (CBS?) after the debate had Obama 39..Mitt 30 Tie 30...among undecideds...

    So 30% of people unable to make up their mind before the debate were still unable... FUCK'EM and feel sorry for their kids...

    It is and has always been GOTV...

    ashes..ashes..we all fall down..

  •  the 'undecideds' i know (0+ / 0-)

    are really going to vote a GOP ticket. they play their 'undecided' status with a concern troll twist, and always make sure to condemn 'both sides'. What they are really trying to do is depress my  motivation to vote dem....they know they will never argue people like me out of it so they act removed or down on the whole thing. "both candidates suck so i cannot make up my mind'.
    what cracks me up is how unknowingly transparent they are.

  •  the other undecideds i know (0+ / 0-)

    are on the other end of the spectrum..Obama is not liberal enough for them and they are holding out..for what?. 'well maybe i will and maybe i won't' .
    look i know the issues , i know the spectrum, i know the story.
    ...i don't think they are really undecided i think they just want to play the contrary. i just don't have time for these games at this stage

  •  "Can only process one issue at a time." (0+ / 0-)

    Or have opinions on multiple issues, but those opinions fall on both side of the party line.

    Or can't decide which of their values that they hold party-conflicting opinions on is more important (people can rank things as being of equal importance, you know!).

    Or can't be bothered to try wading through political spin-talk to find out the facts because they've got a million other issues to think about, so both candidates look equally good to them (there's a reason why politicians pull it out)...

    There are many, MANY reasons for good people to be undecided. It doesn't make them stupid. If anything, the decision to not make a snap judgement and instead think it over shows their sensibility.

    A businessman once asked a villager, "Why will you not let me buy this forest from you?" The villager answered, "Why not ask the birds? It is their home you will burn."

    by EcoMorph on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 06:59:49 AM PDT

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