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Monday Morning quarterbacking is the birth(defect)right of all Americans, not just for their favorite team on the gridiron, but it seems for anything of minor or major importance.  The whole "terror" portion of the debate last night was must see TV, but what has particularly stuck in my craw about this whole Benghazi affair is the blissful ignorance of damn near everyone of another event that happened earlier on the 11th of September.

Cairo (CNN) -- The United States said it was taking measures to protect its citizens worldwide after protesters angry about an online film considered offensive to Islam attacked U.S. diplomatic compounds in Libya and Egypt on Tuesday, killing an American.  In Cairo, several men scaled the walls of the U.S. Embassy and tore down its American flag, according to CNN producer Mohamed Fadel Fahmy, who was on the scene.…Several individuals claimed responsibility for organizing the demonstrations Tuesday, including Salafist leader Wesam Abdel-Wareth, who is president of Egypt's conservative Hekma television channel.  Mohamed al-Zawahiri -- the brother of al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri -- added, "We called for the peaceful protest joined by different Islamic factions including the Islamicc Jihad (and the) Hazem Abu Ismael movement."  "We were surprised to see the big numbers show up, including the soccer Ultra fans," he said. "I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"
Not to diminish the tragedy that occurred in Libya, but there were also violent protests in Cairo that were directly attributable to this “youtube video.”  These events occurred the same day.  No one died but protesters did scale the embassy’s wall.  Given that Egypt is of incredibly more strategic importance to the Middle East, (two previous wars with Israel anyone?) the administration was correct to also address the events in Egypt especially to ensure that events there would not fester.  They apparently did their job since this seems to have died down.  Is it really surprising then that official statements and comments in the days and week after would refer to both events?

Is it any more surprising that the Romney camp conflates the two events, ignoring totally the events in Egypt that were demonstrably tied to the youtube video, and claiming that any and all statements by the administration were solely made to address the situation in Benghazi.   The world is a much more complicated place that can’t be whittled down to a simple return on investment calculation.  It would be nice if the media would look at their own archives from the week of September 11 and decide to put back into context all of these quotes that the Romney campaign takes out. Iffa Woulda Should Coulda as my old coach used to say.

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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)

    "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right." - Henry Ford

    by snappydogs on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:25:49 AM PDT

  •  forget the video. (2+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, snappydogs

    You are absolutely right about the impact of the video on many places in the area, but the politics of the moment says we have to forget the video.

    This would be considered a terrorist attack whether it was preplanned or because of the video.  The president has a problem with his people not being on the same message after the event.

    He inoculated himself last night by taking responsibility and not letting Hillary take the fall, and by Romney's incredibly incompetent move last night.

    The last debate will be on foreign policy, so we should avoid talking about the video.

    •  I wouldn't say "Avoid the video" (1+ / 0-)
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      Not at all. But I agree you are right about the politics of the moment. There are certain facets of the Libyan events which must be addressed and which are not related to the video.

      But I would not go so far as to say it must be avoided. The FP debate will give ample opportunity to bring up Egypt and the video in order to give the discussion needed context.

  •  Neither Ryan nor Romney (1+ / 0-)
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    Has any background on foreign policy - other than Romney negotiating to buy factories in China with their fences and watchtowers built to keep more teenage girls from sneaking in.  They would turn foreign policy over to that chicken hawk Vietnam War draft dodger war monger John Bolton, which should scare any rational person.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:43:31 AM PDT

  •  30+ Protests, 5 different Diplomatic sites damaged (1+ / 0-)
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    Cairo, Khartoum, Yemen, Tunis and Benghazi all had Western Diplomatic sites damaged as a result of the video protests.

    The link shows where over 30 protests took place (with photos).  Now that it has been established that the attack in Benghazi was the result of outrage over the video -- and was, in fact, also an act of terror (albeit untied to Al Queda), this Administrations handling of the events has been brilliant.

    They can't announce (or act) on the results of the investigation(s) until they are complete.  The grandstanding Republicans and their faux outraged Fox News partners have egg on their face.

    And Robme stepped in it last night -- allowing the real message to get out.  

  •  Unfortunately (1+ / 0-)
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    Many in the media aren't going to let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt.  

    For example, the Washington Post has put together something that Rush Limbaugh could be proud of, and called it the definitive timeline of events:

     “Based on the best information we have to date ... it began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.... We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

    — Susan E. Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Sept. 16

    The WaPo bolds part of the quote to make it look like Rose was saying the Benghazi attack was because of the video.  But look at what she actually said.  She says that the Egypt protest was because of the video, and the Libya protest was a reaction to the Egypt protest.  Now, she was obviously wrong about spontaneous vs. not spontaneous - but she also says "We do not have information at present" - in other words, we are still investigating.  She's also not saying, "There was a protest that went bad," she says that extremists took advantage of a protest to attack the embassy with heavy weapons.  This is consistent with the first statement put out by Secretary Clinton - that the attack was an assault carried out by heavily armed militants.  

    This is such a contrived story, it's sickening.  There is no magical power invoked by saying this is an act of terrorism.  Terrorism is just a label that deals with motive.  What are the Republicans really even arguing?  That the President wrongly thought/knowingly lied that the attack was because of militants who hated us because of free speech, BUT REALLY it was an attack by militants who hated us because terrorism?  And the worst part is, who the hell do the Republicans think they're kidding?  Really, they're outraged over bad intelligence?  Call me when the President invades two countries on the basis of a Youtube video.  

    •  Actually it was reading that timeline that... (0+ / 0-)

      Made me say wait a minute the timeline is missing all this other stuff that was going on....and put up the quick little diary in the first place.  Its kindof like when one of my kids tells on the other to me...without giving me the whole story around why one got bopped on the head by the other.  

      "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right." - Henry Ford

      by snappydogs on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 07:42:56 AM PDT

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  •  I don't disagree with most... (0+ / 0-)

    of what you are saying, at least from the sound bite political theater side of the house.  Also my desk is adorned with a replica of Harry Truman's famous desk plaque (which btw says I'm from Missouri on the other side) so I was proud of the president for para-quoting my favorite president.

    Team Romney will bring it up again because its all they have (and the media has been gobbling it up since there isn't really anything else headline worthy going on across the globe (I say with a modest eye-roll)).  So Team Obama probably has to come up with some new line of defense/jujitsu.  Personally I think it is kindof compelling to note that the request for additional security was for Tripoli not Benghazi.  At 400 miles of distance that is like implying that additional security in Washington DC would some how have stopped an event in Boston.  I know most Americans are ignorant of geography, but there has to be some other way to get rid of the straws that Romney is grasping at.  

    Its just my pet peeve that in this news cycle where facts don't even matter, the context of facts don't even merit a footnote, thus my mild rant about the video.  Maybe it is the history buff in me that always wants to say wait a minute.  I think Team Obama can point out that Team Romney's foreign policy folks are mostly Bush retreads.  

    "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right." - Henry Ford

    by snappydogs on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 07:31:28 AM PDT

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