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(Note: Once again, this diary is not an attack on all Mormons, the LDS movement or the Mormon religion. The attempt of this diary is to showcase once more, the reason Mitt Romney is a religious extremist).

Alternet has published a great article by  Frank Schaeffer, which details the necessity of keeping Romney away from the White House. This reason has nothing to do with economics or Romney’s social views (although those reasons are just as valid in keeping him away from the White House), but with Romney’s religious extremism combined with his hawkish neoconservative views.

As I said before, every religion has its fair share of extremist and Mormonism is no exception. Just as there are Christian extremists, Muslim extremists, Jewish extremists (Kahane movement) and Hindu extremists (see the Hindutva Movement), there are Mormon extremists and Mitt Romney is a Mormon extremist. Let’s find out why.

The climax of the Alternet piece begins with the following paragraphs in my opinion:

Romney's world view is couched in a religion that makes stark raving evangelical-inspired Christian-Zionist aggression of the kind W Bush practiced when he took us to war look positively mild. If Romney is a good Mormon he believes that the United States is the New Jerusalem and/or Zion. If Romney is a good Mormon he also believes that anyone endorsing models of life outside of Mormon/American xenophobic boundaries is warned in the Book of Mormon in (2 Nephi 10:16) as follows:

"And this land shall be a land of liberty unto the Gentiles, and there shall be no kings upon the land, who shall raise up unto the Gentiles. And I will fortify this land (the USA) against all other nations. And he that fighteth against Zion shall perish, saith God. For he that raiseth up a king against me shall perish..."

In other words from the Mormon "perspective" too bad for the country or person who embraces non-US models of government outside the United States. Too bad for those unaware of the "fact" that they are "fighting against God and His Zion" if they disagree with American policy. And since those not like us are fighting against God when they take on America then naturally they must be dealt with very harshly.

You can compare this with a similar trend in the Old Testament. The enemies of the Israelites are not just fighting another nation, but they are in direct confrontation with God and his people and this is what makes them the enemies of God and in turn they are to be dealt with harshly. It’s not pretty and you probably gloss it over in Sunday school, but God sanctions the genocide of His adversaries in the OT.

If we reconfigure this notion by substituting Israelites for America and the God of the OT for the Mormon God, it is not to far of a stretch to imagine a similar outcome which would occur as it has in the Bible.

Returning to the Alternet piece:

This underlying Mormon bellicosity towards the "other" perhaps explains why all Romney's criticisms of President Obama's foreign and military policy always --but always -- take the form of faulting the President for not being harsh enough, aggressive enough or suspicious enough of other nations.
If Romney is elected and sticks to his theology and the odd history of his people as shaped by their alienated "victimhood" and confrontation with the world, then welcome to a presidency that will make George W Bush's reckless wars look like a Sunday school picnic.
Belief in "American Exceptionalism" equals perpetual war. Belief in American "manifest destiny" equals willful naivety about the way the world works and our place in it. And Mormonism is nothing less than the religious idolatry of American exceptionalism and manifest destiny.

In No Apology: The Case for American Greatness, Romney writes: "I am one of those who believes America is destined to remain, as it has been since the birth of the republic, the brightest hope of the world."

Translation: Romney is yet another neoconservative shill for nationalistic adventurism but with a ramped-up Mormon twist. Romney's two books, No Apology and Believe in America, tell us that only a "strong America" can make the world safer and more prosperous.

So what exactly does Romney mean by a “strong America?” The answer is scary:
It seems four trillion dollars wasted and twelve years of perpetual war isn't enough for Romney. He wanted us to stay in Iraq and wants us to extend our time in Afghanistan. Enter the war loving far right wing warmonger Dan Senor, one of Romney's closest advisers on foreign policy. He's also the poster child for American stupidity of the kind that needlessly got four thousand, four hundred, eighty eight Americans killed and more than 33,000 injured in Iraq.

Senor was the spokesman for the horribly failed American Coalition Provisional Authority at the beginning of the Iraq war under George W. Bush. And now he's a close adviser to Romney helping to shape his policy. Senor is an advocate of extremist neoconservative/Zionist thinking of the kind that got us into Iraq under false pretenses. And that's only the start of the Romney attempt to resurrect the uselessly bellicose Bush Doctrine of preemptive worldwide delusional aggression.

Romney keeps a large group of discredited far right foreign-policy advisers, eight of whom participated in the early neoconservative group Project for a New American Century, founded in 1997 and headed by William-never-met-a-war-I-don't-love-Kristol. These are the men who killed the Marines whose funerals I have attended as surely as if they laid the road side bombs on some dusty track in Iraq's deserts themselves.

Religious extremism and a hawkish neoconservative stance is a perfect recipe for endless war abroad. The tragedy lies in the fact that the Romney family will not serve in those endless wars abroad, it would be our sons and daughters that will have to and…the worse thing of all, they may in fact return home in body bags.

The belief in American “exceptionalism,” is a dangerous belief. It is the same belief that committed perhaps the most successful genocide and ethnic-cleansing in world history. I am referring of course to the destruction of the Native Americans.

We will open a Pandora’s Box if we unleash this belief into the world via Romney once again.

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  •  this is a chilling yet clear warning (7+ / 0-)

    and Frank Schaeffer knows of what he speaks.

    Thanks so much, SR, for bringing this to us.

    It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

    by SeaTurtle on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 11:12:27 AM PDT

  •  an interesting read = J Smith Theodemocarcy (5+ / 0-)

    it was one of the reasons for his arrest and trial

    with the judge asking

    When Smith was arrested in connection with the 1838 Mormon War, he was closely questioned by the presiding judge about whether he believed in the kingdom which would subdue all others as described in the Book of Daniel. Smith's attorney Alexander Doniphan announced that if belief in such teachings were treasonous, then the Bible must be considered a treasonable publication.
    •  PS also BringhamYoungs war with Fed troops (8+ / 0-)
      When federal officials received reports of widespread and systematic obstruction of federal officials in Utah (most notably judges), U.S. President James Buchanan decided to install a non-Mormon governor. ........When Young received word that federal troops were headed to Utah with his replacement, he called out his militia to ambush the federal column. During the defense of Deseret, now called the Utah War, Young held the U.S. Army at bay for a winter by taking their cattle and burning supply wagons. .........Young made plans to burn Salt Lake City and move his followers to Mexico, but at the last minute he relented and agreed to step down as governor. He later received a pardon from Buchanan. Relations between Young and future governors and U.S. Presidents were mixed.
      •  Yes But (2+ / 0-)
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        The Mormon movement had been chased out of New York, Ohio, Missouri and finally Illinois.

        In the end they decided to leave the United States and settle Salt Lake City -- in Mexico at the time.  They became a territory of the United States as a result of the Mexican War.

        Does it seem surprising that a group that left the U.S. in search of religious freedom would seek to defend those freedoms when they find themselves once again at the mercies of that government?

        Mormon beliefs are weird.  Most religious beliefs are weird.  But an attempt to paint them as rebellious and anti-government is silly.  Their history shows quite the opposite -- a willingness to cooperate with and participate in local, state and national government.

        No doubt there is a fringe of Mormons holed up in Idaho with their guns and para-military training ready to "defend the constitution."  But it's not main stream Mormonism and no evidence has been offered to suggest it's Romney's brand of Mormon.

        •  If that's your definition of extremism, (0+ / 0-)

          being holed up in Idaho, then Mitt Romney isn't an extremist, obviously. But that he might be an extremist the way many of the conservative evangelical Protestants that no one around here has a problem criticizing are extremists is a real possibility. Unfortunately, few people know enough about Mormonism to really discuss this in depth. What Romney believes, and, more importantly, how that would affect a Romney presidency is very relevant to voters.

          Me, I wish I had more information about that.

  •  I'm not sure I see where it's shown that (1+ / 0-)
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    Romney's views on the Mormon religion are extremist compared to most in the Mormon religion.  Is there any indication or proof that Romney is on the fringes of that religion which would make him an extremist, or is it really saying that the Mormon religion itself is extremist.  Does Romney believe in some stuff that most Mormons don't?

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 11:30:31 AM PDT

  •  Mormon Extremists (1+ / 0-)
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    While there are certainly Mormon extremists out there (I would consider Glenn Beck the obvious example), I see nothing here that shows that Mitt Romney is one.

    The argument seems to be:
    1 - there are Mormon extremists
    2 - Romney is a Mormon
    therefore, Romney is a Mormon extremist

    Does this hold for Harry Reid as well?

    I'm sorry.  The article is an attempt to excite emotions based on religious prejudice.  It offers only tangential support for it's premise.

    Yes, Mitt Romney is a right wing fundamentalist.  That is every bit as scary as the fact that George W. Bush was as well.  However, it's not any more scary because he's a Mormon rather than a Christian.

    •  Don't take my word for it (3+ / 0-)

      Take the word of someone who actually knew Romney, when he was a bishop:

      Hayes, the divorced, unmarried mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was struggling as a nurse’s aide in a working-class suburb of Boston. She had little in common with the successful Bain executive, but the request wasn’t as odd as it might seem. Hayes was a Mormon. Romney was her bishop. Romney walked into her small apartment, made small talk and then commanded her to give her baby up for adoption after it was born. He was her bishop, and as she knew, Mormonism disapproved of single motherhood. Hayes said no.

      “Well, this is what the church wants you to do, and if you don’t then you could be excommunicated for failing to follow the leadership of the church,” Romney said, according to Hayes in an interview with Boston Globe journalists Michael Kranish and Scott Helman.

      Do you believe this is a sign of religious extremism? Intimidating other church members with threats and coercing another church member to give up her child?

      •  One Story (1+ / 0-)
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        From Romney's 60+ years as a Mormon we have this one story repeated over and over about Romney being a prick.

        We know Romney's a prick.  And we know Romney is a Mormon.  But there is nothing here to suggest he's an extremist of some kind -- you know, beyond your basic right wing Republican dickishness.

        •  Oh no, not one story... (3+ / 0-)

          If you click on the link you will see this:

          Chosen as a kind of enforcer-in-chief, Romney betrayed a zeal far beyond the call of duty. Bishop Romney tried to stop a mother of four whose health was seriously endangered by her pregnancy from having an abortion. The church allows abortion in cases of rape, incest, and danger to the life of the mother, provided a male LDS authority gives permission to the pregnant woman. Romney's superior had already told the woman to proceed for the sake of her health; Romney intervened. Romney refused to allow an infertile couple to take advantage of the LDS adoption service until the wife agreed to quit her job and be a stay-at-home mother. Other reliable reports of Mitt’s years as a Mormon clergyman have him excommunicating adulterers, calling homosexuals under his authority “perverse,” warning a middle-aged divorced woman that she was not allowed to have sex, and telling a leading Mormon feminist, “You’re not my kind of Mormom
      •  Bingo! Time to stop this radical NOW! (1+ / 0-)
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    •  No, he's not scarier, but not less scary either. (0+ / 0-)
  •  What About Christians? (0+ / 0-)

    I've often thought that no Christian should be allowed to hold public office because their doctrine seems to indicate that they will hand the government over to the first bearded dude to descent from the sky.

    Things could have been very different this week if Felix Baumgartner had worn a beard.

  •  Dude... what about those magic decoder rings (0+ / 0-)

    and such.  Romnney is Mormon, therefore there must be a huge Mormon church conspiracy and coverup.

    Puff puff.

    I think he's trying to turn us all Mormon once in office.

    Puff puff cough sputter COUGH puff puff.


    "So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"

    by FoodChillinMFr on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 11:55:01 AM PDT

    •  Since they turn dead people into Mormons (0+ / 0-)

      why is so farfetched to think they might try to turn living people into Mormons as well.

      And baptizing the dead into the Mormon religion certainly strikes me as extremism. We know Mittens goes for that since they baptized his atheist FIL after his death.

      Re-elect Senator Debbie Stabenow (MI). Screw Pete Hoekstra.

      by BitterEnvy on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 12:31:28 PM PDT

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  •  Mormon Fanaticism (4+ / 0-)

    Unless you have lived in a community dominated by Mormons, you have no idea what you are talking about. They try to infiltrate all forms of the community from cemetery board, school board, city council, you name it. Then, they can foist their beliefs on the members of the community. Try living in Utah as a non-Mormon and you will find out about their evil ways.

  •  Is Bin Laden Winning? (2+ / 0-)
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    Terrorist are not strong enough to destroy us but they can cause us to destroy ourselves through anger, hate and fear.  Bin Laden must have seen something in us, or maybe just human nature, that given the right push we would go crazy and destroy our country and way of life willingly.

    It's working.  Those most susceptible to fear and hate, authoritarian followers who also tend to vote republican, have taken the bait and suspiciously look at their co-workers, neighbors, friends and even family.  Enemies are all around.

    These times are what gives rise to leaders like Romney and the Tea Party.  They openly suggest the overthrow of our 'hostile' democratic government to replace it with a 'friendly' totalitarian state.   They can’t take the chance that any of the ‘others’ win democratic elections.

    Bin Laden lived to be an old man surrounded by family and died quickly and almost painlessly.  We are the ones suffering from his legacy.

    If we don’t stop Romney and the republicans from overthrowing our way of life, (#sensata) then Bin Laden won.  Romney will do more direct damage to our country than Bin Laden ever could.

    The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well - Joe Ancis

    by TexasJay on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 01:45:54 PM PDT

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