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[Cross posted from little blue Street Prophets.]

Note: The Daily Kos satellite site Street Prophets will be closing down soon. The following is the text of the diary I posted over on SP. Please help me get the word out to everyone who took part in making that site so memorable that the end is near.

- Marko the Werelynx

Many moons ago I posted a diary about the closing of the Street Prophets site. When our great orange satanic blogfather made the big change to Daily Kos version 4.0 (DK4) it was decided that the various satellite sites supported by the same servers as Daily Kos would eventually be closed. Well, Markos Moulitsas has contacted me to let me know that, due to some recent changes to Daily Kos, an independent Street Prophets site will no longer be possible. This is our eviction notice I guess. But it's not like we're just being kicked out onto the street. We do have a place to go.

Markos still did not set a specific date but felt it was necessary at this point to let the SP community know that the closing of the site is indeed imminent. I have been assured that the content of this site, the diaries, the comments-- will be archived but that it may take some time to make them readily available.

I hope that those of you who have not yet joined the Street Prophets Group over on Daily Kos will do so and keep the conversation going. There are many delightful groups over on Daily Kos and many of the regular Open Thread diaries provide a sense of strong and caring community. I have been warmly welcomed by those that splash about in Bill in Portland Maine's kiddie pool known as "Cheers and Jeers". And J Town is a great place to relax and share your day. There are more than a few of us Prophets strolling the streets of J Town.

So, please voice your concerns, ask questions, reminisce. I'll be coming back to this diary over the next couple of days and will send Markos a link to it and encourage him to log in and respond personally. A kos visit [to Street Prophets] is a rare event but not entirely unknown. I'll also let our beloved founder Pastor Dan (pastordan) know that I've posted this.

Your fuzzy-headed friend,

Marko the Werelynx

9:06 AM PT: Our fearless leader, kos has joined us in the comments! Please hit this link: http://www.dailykos.com/... to go straight to the source. Hmm... no preview for quick updates. Is that gonna be a working link? Here goes nuthin' folks...

9:07 PM PT: Over in the blue version of this diary Markos revisited to comment about which day the SP site will be coming down "Looks like Monday" http://www.streetprophets.com/...

Originally posted to Street Prophets on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 02:49 AM PDT.

Also republished by J Town.

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  •  Tip Jar (35+ / 0-)

    “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

    by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 02:49:09 AM PDT

  •  If you'd rather have cookies (17+ / 0-)

    than hand out tips please head on over to the Street Prophets site while it's still there and drop a comment in the original diary.

    Thanks,

    “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

    by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 03:04:06 AM PDT

  •  If Daily Kos users (8+ / 0-)

    have parallel accounts at SP, will their diaries posted there be migrated to DK?

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

    by kestrel9000 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 03:21:26 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for this heads up, my furry friend. (13+ / 0-)

    I hope they find a way to archive the stories and make them available here. I have had occasion to read some of them and would like to know that I could reread if I wanted to.

    Keep us posted if you hear anything!

    And thanks for the shoutout to J Town. All people of good will: prophets and non-prophets (but never unprincipled profiteers!) are welcome there. 10am Eastern / 9am Central / 7am Pacific ... with conversation all day long and sometimes into the evening.

    Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.

    by JanF on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 03:59:09 AM PDT

  •  I will always be grateful (12+ / 0-)

    to Street Prophets -- it is where I found a voice, blog wise.  I made a lot of friends, too.  Lots to be thankful for!

    You can order Pootie Pads here until the website is back up. Pooties love them!

    by Sara R on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:06:57 AM PDT

  •  Sorry to see that site go, (13+ / 0-)

    but our tech team is swamped with this main site and so Street Prophets languished (from a tech perspective). For a while, that was okay, it was bothering no one. But in recent high-traffic days, it became obvious that having Street Prophets site on our servers, despite its lower traffic, was having an impact on the performance of the main site. You see, they both share the same database server, so inefficient queries from Street Prophets' rusty codebase was slowing things down on the main site.

    So with heavy heart I had to let Marko know that we're going to shut it down, within the week (and definitely before election night). We'll be redirecting StreetProphets.com to the Street Prophets group on Daily Kos, and what I'll probably do is move the site and its archives to a new URL, like StreetProphets.net or something. Same like I did with the old pre-Scoop Daily Kos at DailyKos.net.

    Thanks for everything.

    •  As for UIDs (10+ / 0-)

      we won't be bringing any over. People would have to create new accounts. I just can't spare developer time. They're overworked and under intense deadline pressures to make sure the site won't go down on Election Night.

    •  Within the WEEK?!?!? (5+ / 0-)

      Crap. OK. A little more notice would've been fabulous. I'm going to try to pull my own diaries down to archive them myself, but ... well, yeah. Probably the worst week of the semester to try to be doing that. Maybe I'll see if I can find one of the undergrads I mentor who I can pay to do it.

      (I also just sent 3 links from there to someone who's working with me on a project about LGBT Catholic issues - hope he gets a chance to pull them before it goes down.)

      Ugh. Yeah, I get the immediacy due to the election, but ... well, yeah. The timing's abysmal, but oh well.

      "I like to go into Marshall Field's in Chicago just to see all the things there are in the world that I do not want." M. Madeleva, C.S.C.

      by paxpdx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:57:21 AM PDT

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      •  This was announced (6+ / 0-)

        months ago. Looks like May.

        But the site isn't going anyway. We're preserving it so all content will be available.

        •  Yeah, I know it was (5+ / 0-)

          And I've been pulling stuff over to my own blog as I've had time, bit by bit. I'd just assumed we'd get a month or so's notice, not less than a week.

          Will the site still be live, just not postable/updateable? The "... some time to be readily available" part is what's causing me grief right now, since I've got people looking at content there. Even with another week or so (long enough to get past 100 pages of Rahner reading, a 20 page paper, and kicking off a class I'm teaching), it'd be a lot easier.

          I've put out a plea for one of my starving undergrads to jump in, but they have midterms too...

          "I like to go into Marshall Field's in Chicago just to see all the things there are in the world that I do not want." M. Madeleva, C.S.C.

          by paxpdx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:44:15 AM PDT

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          •  My question is (5+ / 0-)

            will old SP continue to exist in cyberspace but with all interactive functions shut down. IN that case, all the diaries would continue to exist.

            "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

            by DJ Rix on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:37:00 AM PDT

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            •  Yes - and eventually. (6+ / 0-)

              Problem is that I actually use some of my old diaries for work I'm doing now. I sent links to three of them to someone just last night in relation to some work I'm doing with a local student group. I use them a lot. I'm gradually migrating everything over to my own site, but thought we'd get more than a few days (and still indeterminate) notice.

              Right now, I'm just trying to save the diaries where I have access to them; I can post them myself - here and at my site - as I need them.

              As I understand it, though, SP is going down with NO archive access to our diaries for awhile, until the archive goes up at an as-yet-undetermined date, which is a pretty major problem for me.

              It's why I'm trying to get confirmation on when it is going down, so I can see what I can do to get help to get my stuff dumped in word, even.

              "I like to go into Marshall Field's in Chicago just to see all the things there are in the world that I do not want." M. Madeleva, C.S.C.

              by paxpdx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:42:24 AM PDT

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          •  Archiving Diaries - this may be obvious to many (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            DJ Rix, SchuyH, Marko the Werelynx

            I know many out there will know of efficient ways to archive diaries that they want to save - but just in case:

            I spent some time this morning archiving the diaries that I had on Street Prophets.  After struggling with cut&paste - I found something easier that preserved pictures and comments:

            1. Make a folder for the diaries

            2. Search SP for the diaries you want to archive

            3. Right click on Permalink and Open a New Tab

            4. Go to the New Tab

            5. Expand the comments (assuming you want to save them as well)

            6. Highlight the title of the diary and copy (Cntrl C)

            7. Click File - Save Page as Web Page HTML only

            8. Go to the folder you have created.

            9. Paste the title (Cntrl V) - you may have to take out slashes, question marks and so forth to have a valid filename.

            10. Click OK

            I hope this helps someone.

            •  Excellent (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              SchuyH, austex54, Marko the Werelynx

              I've been saving entire months of my blog pages this way for a long time.

              "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

              by DJ Rix on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 08:31:54 AM PDT

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            •  Something weird happening with mine (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              austex54, Marko the Werelynx

              When I reopen the file, I get various text about publishing the diary, Javascript warnings, etc. Seems like that stuff is in the HTML code, but under normal circumstances wouldn't appear when I browsed the page. The diary and the comments are still there, but is there a way to just save it in a WYSIWYG form like it originally appeared? Or will I need to delete the "This is a preview" stuff? (Basically, I'm asking if anyone knows of a shortcut to just save the text of the diary and comments)

              "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." - J.R.R. Tolkien

              by SchuyH on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:15:34 PM PDT

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              •  One shortcut I just discovered (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                austex54, Marko the Werelynx

                If you click the plus-sign-in-circle symbol to the right of the diary title, so it turns to a minus sign, when you save it as HTML the file name will become the page title, saving you the step of copying and pasting it.

                "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." - J.R.R. Tolkien

                by SchuyH on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:19:11 PM PDT

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        •  OK - do we have a more specific date? (5+ / 0-)

          I believe I've located someone who can pull my content for me; just need to let him know how much time he has in order to do it. "This week" is nebulous. Friday evening? Tomorrow morning?

          Thanks.

          "I like to go into Marshall Field's in Chicago just to see all the things there are in the world that I do not want." M. Madeleva, C.S.C.

          by paxpdx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:49:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Never mind... (5+ / 0-)

            In other supergood news, I got help, a friend will likely repost on my site for money, and Scrivener - the amazingly wonderful software I've started using for more major writing at work and school both - is proving to be the most awesome "frantic cut and paste" tool out there.

            (And if anyone else from SP is trying to save your stuff, drop me a Kosmail and I'll let you know how to pull it off. It's sort of awesome.)

            "I like to go into Marshall Field's in Chicago just to see all the things there are in the world that I do not want." M. Madeleva, C.S.C.

            by paxpdx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 11:44:47 AM PDT

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        •  I put up that earlier diary (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Ooooh, SchuyH, Otteray Scribe, austex54

          in May of 2011.

          Time flies.

          What's the status of the other satellites (like Mother Talkers) at this point?

          “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

          by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:54:32 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  With gratitude for all the good times I had (7+ / 0-)

    and everything I learned at StreetProphets, still I am reminded that nothing stays the same forever.

    That nothing is static or fixed, that all is fleeting and impermanent, is the first mark of existence. It is the ordinary state of affairs. Everything is in process. Everything—every tree, every blade of grass, all the animals, insects, human beings, buildings, the animate and the inanimate—is always changing, moment to moment.

    Pema Chodron

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act I, scene 5

    by Ooooh on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:32:16 AM PDT

    •  Lovely quote! (6+ / 0-)

      I've been trying to remind myself of that lately. When a favorite bowl breaks, when a wonderful friend dies-- I try to not let my thoughts fill with regret for the loss. Instead I try to be grateful for what was. Markos and Dan brought a rather special place in the interwebs into existence.

      A lot of fond memories. Getting bitten by Quotefiend, playing with Div tags with Wolfie late at night in the lab, exploring browness with your alter-ego, Wada Woo's amazing menus and horrible GIFs, the Tea and Fortune parlor tent, Ogre accusing me of pissing on the grill, The keys to PD's liquor cabinet, Poli's fabulous poodles...

      Mmm, a lot of good times. And wow, did I ever learn a lot about religions!

      “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

      by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:46:18 AM PDT

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      •  All of that, but especially this: (5+ / 0-)
        And wow, did I ever learn a lot about religions!
        I had no idea how ignorant I was until the advent of StreetProphets! And I am so grateful for all the wonderful friendships I developed at SP which continue to this day...like you my furry faced friend.

        There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act I, scene 5

        by Ooooh on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:53:15 AM PDT

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  •  Fact is, once SP demise (7+ / 0-)

    was announced the original SP  site had very little traffic or discussion. I double-posed comments & recommends just to keep a presence.  The SP team at Big Kos seems to be  realizing -  I hope - that SP is not a place for Kos's legions of religion haters & they should not be tempted to SP with inappropriately cross-posted diaries. Some of the Coffee Hour diaries were upset by people who would throw donuts at a UU social hour. I never want to see that happen again. We have some very gentle souls at SP who contribute hospitality, music & art  rather than political discussion, & share their personal stories with us on their good & bad days. That has always been a large part of the spirit of SP. A few have steadfastly declined to come over here. I hope they finally do.

    What's the difference?  The old SP was slow enough for my modest diaries to be ftont-paged there (most recent was just a music vid),  That was a nice perk.

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:31:46 AM PDT

    •  Another nice thing (7+ / 0-)

      about the slower pace was that diaries didn't drop out of sight within minutes. A diary would still draw new comments and attract new readers for a week.

      Perhaps we can carve a bit more space for SP over here. There are several groups here that seem to belong on Prophecy Street.

      “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

      by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 12:13:26 PM PDT

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      •  If you want some pointers on how to do this, (7+ / 0-)

        let me know and I will share my experiences with you (I have been poking around and looking under the meta hood on DKos for a while).

        There was an effort made in some moderation diaries last year to carve out safe places for communities who gather mainly for socializing to sort of wall themselves off. Many of those communities even have a point of view: for example, J Town is mainly populated with pro-Obama people who honor real-world activism.

        No place is "safe" of course (anyone can open up a diary and drop in) but a case could be made for some sort of "protection" so that you can discuss religion without having people basically spam your diaries. I am not sure how Ojibwa's Coffee Hour has been working out (I have stopped in a few times and people had most of their limbs still attached to their bodies) but that would certainly be a template for the type of place you could set up.

        If people follow a group on a stream, they quite literally never have to open the front page ... and the diaries roll off at exactly the pace that you are used to.

        Words have meaning. Our words will reflect what is in our souls.

        by JanF on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 01:53:51 PM PDT

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        •  Solid advice (7+ / 0-)

          Thanks, we'd need a lot more participation to even get up to the speed of the old SP. I tend to pay more attention to my stream than the front page or the rec list. Gets pretty easy to overfollowthough. With my day on, day off presence around here I can't even keep up with my stream.

          There are fair number of folks following the SP group. Perhaps, once the axe finally falls I'll get back to posting more of my regular kitty litter there. Most of my contributions have been just to republish other diaries that I thought would be of general SP interest.

          “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

          by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 02:43:21 PM PDT

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          •  All community diaries seem to attract a particular (5+ / 0-)

            kind of troll. IGTNT is one prime example.  The IGTNT diaries have a caveat at the beginning, but some of the most horrific sociopaths to ever cast a shadow on this site seem to have gotten their jollies by trolling IGTNT.  

            The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

            by Otteray Scribe on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:18:05 PM PDT

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            •  The two I mentioned, (5+ / 0-)

              Cheers and Jeers and J Town seem to manage to not get much of any troll traffic it seems to me. Occasionally there will be an oddly flavored comment dropped in but they don't get any traction. I know some Prophets have had a rough time and been discouraged from posting here. I know I lost my taste for it for a long, long time after my poor, etymological purity was stepped on.

              Occasionally you get the feeling around here that you're dealing with people who haven't been able to get past the porn site blockers that their parents installed on their computer.

              “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

              by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 09:00:22 PM PDT

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        •  Ojibwa is a natural teacher (6+ / 0-)

          diaries  are very interesting, well-researched with lots of cool pix, travel diaries.

          "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

          by DJ Rix on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 05:08:49 PM PDT

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    •  That was part of my reluctance to switch (5+ / 0-)

      Blue SP felt like a place of comfort and concern, where people could talk about very personal thoughts and feelings and everyone else was willing to listen and provide support - including personal thoughts and feelings that relate to religion. When I first looked at Orange SP a while back, it seemed like there were diaries where discussions of faith and religion became targets for insults. Hopefully that's changed some.

      My feeling is, I think there is room both for groups which are more about comfort and light talk and groups which are about the harder questions of faith and politics. To be honest, my image of SP leans more towards the former, but I'm also up for the latter as long as it's an atmosphere of genuine discussion and understanding.

      •  It can happen (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        SchuyH, Ojibwa, DJ Rix

        if we make it happen. I'm not the best example of a consistent community builder but I do engage the anti-religion trolls when I see them.

        I'll try to make more of an effort to visit everything that gets posted with the Street Prophets label.

        “The right of the people peaceably to assemble, to consult for the common good, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, shall never be abridged.”

        by Marko the Werelynx on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 08:42:08 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I belong to a creative community (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        SchuyH

        that began as a run down low budget college station in a basement, moved to a large house on campus - our reputation & fundraising growing all the time.  We outlived the death of the college, bought the station; bought a building in Jersey City, made quantum leap in facilities & annual budget, & yet the station retains much of the core qualities it had back in the basement in 1980.  Because we brought that with us too.  Same but different.

        "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

        by DJ Rix on Wed Oct 24, 2012 at 10:51:05 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

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