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I voted a straight Democratic ticket. I have done so since 2004 - I doubt I will, again.

Up until Wednesday evening, I had intended to vote for either Dr. Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson for President and then vote Green Party rather than vote for Rep. Diana Degette.

Mr. Anderson made a very strong case for why voting for the Democrats was the wrong moral choice for me. What is more, I agree with most of his positions and wanted to simply reward him in my small way for his courage and opposition shown during the Bush administration.

But, in the end when in the voting booth I did not.. If you care, follow me below the fold for why I didn't.

Looking back at 2008 I considered what might have been; a return to the Rule of Law; an economic and tax system reformed to encompass more universality; responsible parties actually having to suffer the consequences for their actions and face justice in a court of law; a health care system which would actually deliver health care, not simply be a profit making vehicle for the few; a return to privacy from government intrusion.

The possibilities for a true change in our nations course was there and supported by the populace. What has actually been achieved in the last four years has been the exact opposite, in my view. Do I feel lied to? Why, yes, I do.

The chance I gave to Mr. Obama and the Democrats as an independent voter four years ago was squandered, in my view, to maintain a status quo which is truly even more parasitical and a harder line national security state than it was then. Sure, there has been some improvement around the edges but I didn't vote for window dressing nor did I think I was voting for what are truly moderate to conservative Republican positions from 20 years ago.

We have moved so far right over the course of my lifetime that economic parasites are no longer condemned and taxed for being what they are but are instead praised as the way to our future. Massive fraud is accepted as if there was never a law to prevent it. The loss of any kind of 4th amendment rights is so pervasive people accept it as though it, too, never existed. The Occupy Movement was seen by those in even Democratic authority as if they were the real criminals, much like, whistle blowers today. It reminded me, again, of 1968 and Mayor Richard Daly's Chicago - which is why I generally refused to vote for Democrats except for very specific issues.

This loss of personal freedom and a national security state will continue unabated, in my view. Modifications to Social Security and Medicare by this Democratic administration will occur and there is nothing we can do to stop it, despite what might be the best efforts of Sen. Sanders and Sherrod Brown. The Democrats in the Senate will support a "grand bargain." It will be done in the lame duck, I think, much like NAFTA was passed. Ultimately, I doubt I see any change in the rightward course of our Neo-Liberal economics. My best expectation is merely a slowing in this rightward drift.

BUT, Wednesday evening over dinner I discussed my feelings and probable vote with my Lady - she, too, was very disappointed with this administration, nevertheless as a Democrat there was little doubt how she would vote. Our discussion hearkened back to the late 60's, early 70's when we in Colorado were then fighting for a woman's right to choose. Contraception (even condoms) for a teenager was hard to get. Yes, I speak of those bygone days when Sheboygan, Wisconsin would actually criminally charge people for committing Adultery. When one could be criminally prosecuted for having pre-marital sex and actually sent to jail. Indeed, sex was evil and the state had every right to tell you how, when, where or even if you could engage in sex.

The Republican position today isn't even really about abortion or rape or contraception. No, it is much deeper than that. It goes to the heart of our very ability to determine our own religious and moral beliefs and conduct ourselves as we see fit. My sexual behavior is none of the governments business much less some politicians. My religious and moral views are not theirs. I have a fundamental 1st amendment right to hold my beliefs as dearly as they hold theirs and I will be damned if I will allow them to impose their views on me.

Standing there in the voting booth - thinking of what Nancy Keenan of NARAL had to say and what Rep. Diana Degette said on Rachel Maddow's show - what Terry O'Neill had said in an interview on the Ed Show.. Thinking of Akin, Mourdock, Romney/ Ryan and their views on the Personhood amendment now a Republican platform plank .. I thought of how here in Colorado we have fought the Personhood amendment twice now. I thought of my single vote for Bennet over Buck despite my vow not to vote for Bennet and how very, very close Ken Buck came to winning the Senate seat.  Would the same be true, again, for President? Quite possibly.

It didn't matter that Dr. Stein or Rocky Anderson generally hold the same positions as myself. It didn't matter they, too, would uphold a women's right to choose. They will not be elected and have no power to stop this deluge of Republican religious extremism, but President Obama and (most) of the Democrats might have the power. Rep. Degette holds a major position within Congress to protect Women's' Rights. Could I allow myself to vote 3rd party because they best represent my views? They really are the overall best moral choice for me, personally.

Voting a Democratic ticket might make a difference in this one single clear moral choice. Yes, it disgusts me to reward what I think has been Democratic betrayal on many levels. Going forward President Obama's economic plan is weak sauce for the wrong time. Democrats generally do not represent my views, except for some notable progressive exceptions. However, this group of Republicans absolutely do not represent anything I believe in and they may gain the power to foist their repellant views down my throat - our throats - once again. Will my vote really make a difference? Did I want a Ken Buck type in the White House? That is really how close this election might be in Colorado; except, I think, the Hispanic vote going towards Democrats is significantly under polled here and in other parts of the Southwest.

In the end, standing there in the voting booth - I did think this will be defining moment for our Nation, knowing the Supreme Court may be at stake. I felt it important to stand once, again - with my mother, my wife, and those young women (and men) from long ago and try to make some little difference. So, despite my intense desire to vote for someone or something I actually believe in, I voted a straight Democratic ticket.

I know of other pro-choice independents who are in fact voting for Romney, apparently in the belief the Republicans would never do such a thing as adopt the Personhood amendment or for the court to overturn Roe v Wade and possibly Griswald vs Connecticut, too. They are wrong.

I didn't think I'd ever be single issue voter, again, but there it is. I hope others who may have been thinking voting 3rd party consider my reasons and their own future.


Originally posted to J M F on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 02:38 PM PDT.

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  •  I hope other Colorado independents (28+ / 0-)

    reason this out as carefully as you.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 02:40:38 PM PDT

  •  I've struggled with this as well (18+ / 0-)

    And, like you, I'm voting for Dems again.  For a few of them, it makes me sick to do it, but I am doing it anyway.

  •  The other good reason (4+ / 0-)

    I know the Greens sound nice and all and that their views probably comport pretty closely with your own.  But I'm quite sure, though this will I'm sure never be demonstrated, that if they ever actually got anywhere close to the White House we'd see economic mismanagement on a colossal scale and the resulting unemployment and poverty.

    Policies that sound nice promoted by people who sound nice aren't a substitute for policies that work put in place by people who know how to do it.  You'll never get to live the Green dream, but you're probably better off for it, as are the rest of us.

    History will be kind to us because we will write it.

    by Sky Net on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 02:54:39 PM PDT

    •  Better off? (6+ / 0-)

      I rather doubt it.

      Those policies to which you refer may work, but for whom?

      As for economic mismanagement on a colossal scale, you do remember 2008, don't you? Unemployment and poverty? We have that too.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:11:32 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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        But I think it would be a lot worse under a Green government.  As bad as things have been, they can be a lot worse.

        I read the Green platform and it all sounds nice, but it's quite different when you're really in the thick of it and have to make decisions.  I don't think they'd make the right ones.  Their understanding of the economy is rather wooly.

        History will be kind to us because we will write it.

        by Sky Net on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:21:16 PM PDT

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      •  But that wasn't Obama that was the neocons (1+ / 0-)
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        Theyre the ones that should go

        Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. ~JFK

        by TheUrbanRevolution on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 10:30:57 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, c'mon, don't give our institutions credit they (1+ / 0-)
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      don't deserve simply because there's been no other options.

      It can't be foreseen when the Green Party might have a shot at governance, because we'll have to radically change our voting system for the better.  But given the amount of time it will take, there's no reason they can't accumulate institutional expertise at lower levels prior to governing at high levels.

      Your derogatory "nice" comment we can do without.  If you don't take them seriously because they aren't in the electoral mix, that's fine, but don't pretend they aren't a real, serious party where they have the opportunity to participate in governance.

      Before elections have their consequences, Activism has consequences for elections.

      by Leftcandid on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 07:07:08 AM PDT

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    •  Industrial powerhouse Baden-Württemberg (0+ / 0-)

      … (the German province that is home to Mercedes Benz and Porsche) voted in a Green prime minister in 2011. And its capital Stuttgart has just elected a Green mayor.

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

      by lotlizard on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:47:22 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks (28+ / 0-)

    Politics isn't just what you stand for but who you stand with. I appreciate you standing with me/us.

    I honor that it was a compromise and share a hope that we can do better in the future.

  •  Thank you for sticking with the Dems (16+ / 0-)

    I sympathize with your feelings.  If you were in a solidly red or blue state, I would think you should have voted your conscience, but in close races, the stakes are just too high.

    Numbers are like people . . . Torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

    by Actuary4Change on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 03:04:14 PM PDT

  •  Remember Florida 2000 (32+ / 0-)

    I was on a college campus in Florida in 2000.  Ralph Nader had a very strong following there.  Lots of us felt let down by Bill Clinton's scandals and constant triangulating.  The so called liberal media mocked Al Gore's wooden speaking style while falling for George W Bush's "compassionate conservatism," and some progressives (like Bill Maher) kept saying there was no difference between the two of them.  I voted for Al Gore, and am still proud of voting for the most pro-environmental candidate we've ever had, but lots of the students voted for Nader.
    Imagine if those 537 votes (less than 1% of the voted Nader win in Florida) had gone to Al Gore.  No Iraq War.  No violation of our civil liberties.  No irresponsible tax cuts for the rich.  No deregulation and bubble economy leading to financial collapse.
    Now think carefully about how you vote this time around.  There is only one progressive candidate who can actually win.  He's not perfect.  But he's on the right side, and he's shown that he can "evolve" on the issues when his progressive base pushes him in the right direction.
    Obama 2012!

    •  In the sci-fi movie.... (6+ / 0-)

      called "The One" there is an alternate world, where they imply that Gore is president :). Its a short mention, but the main character goes to this alternate world (watch the movie) and the TV shows Gore in the state of the union address ...LOL

    •  Imagine we had debunked Republican lie. (2+ / 0-)
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      bsmechanic, northsylvania

      For 42 years, I've listened to Republicans whine about the "liberal media.

      For 42 years, I've watched the Republicans act as though they knew the media was on their side.

      Something I haven't witnessed is a Democrat in a leadership position expose the Republican behavior as a total contradiction.

      I know that of all the quantifiable technicalities that let Bush carry Florida, the Nader vote is the first or second largest. (I've heard different versions of how many people were falsely accused of being convicted felons for the purpose of purging them from the voter rolls.) It is tempting to blame Nader. (One number I don't have is how many Nader Traders were out there--how many Floridians voted for Gore because they were assured that Gore voters in safe states would cast votes for Nader where they wouldn't hurt.)

      However, I believe that at least 5% of the voters are swayed by the constant repetition of the GOP lie, and if the lie had been debunked, that would have been enough to defeat Rick Santorum in Pennsylvania. If Nader had chosen not to run, Santorum would have won.

      The Nader Hating I see only serves to insulate the Centrists who think the world revolves around themselves to stiff the Democratic base--that because they've guilt-tripped so many in the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, they've prevented any real check on the insiders' control of the party.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:42:05 PM PDT

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    •  More Democrats voted for Bush in Florida (7+ / 0-)

      than voted for Nader. And the election was systematically stolen. The idea that Bush won by 537 votes is hallucinatory.
        I voted for Gore, but Nader had every right to run and people had every right to vote for him.
        Obama's an ok President and he's accomplished a lot, but to call him a progressive is stretching a point. And his record on civil liberties is dismal.
        Obama would have fit comfortably into the Eisenhower administration. He is the best choice in this election because the Republicans have gone completely nuts.

  •  You've really voted already, right? (3+ / 5-)

    You're not kidding about that?  It's a done deal?

    Then I can say that you're a TOTAL SCHMUCK for even thinking about casting ANY VOTE that would help ANY REPUBLICAN ASSHOLE win an election.

    This is fucking WAR !!!!!!

    I don't think this country can survive another Republican administration.  The fact that you would even consider wasting your vote, and thereby helping Romney, is an abomination.

    Sorry, but that's the truth.

    I hope you really voted and that you weren't kidding.  If you haven't voted already, then all of the above is snark.

    •  I voted yesterday, thanks. And, (12+ / 0-)

      just so you know I didn't vote for anyones thanks.

      It's ok if you think I'm a schmuck. But - It is up to the Democrats to earn my vote by action - not talk. It is not my job to simply vote for Democrats because the other guy sucks so bad. I know they suck.

      •  Question (0+ / 0-)

        Has there been a better President than Obama since maybe FDR? Clinton and Obama are tied in my book as the best Presidents of my lifetime. Yeah. I could hope for better but the record of Presidents in the US suggests to me we usually do a lot worse.

        Obama has done a lot and I feel he has certainly earned my vote. And in some ways it IS your job, if you care about the future, to vote for the better of the two candidates in a close race. Primaries are the place for pushing for the ideal candidate. In a close general election, voting for the best of the candidates who have a shot at winning is actually what every voter should do.

        I have voted third party. But only in races where either the 3rd party candidate has a chance and/or the Republican didn't have a chance. WFP used to be my favorite third party until the local branch of WFP became even more corrupt than the local branches of Dems and Repubs. Voted Green a couple of times again when there was no shot at a Repub win. But I am actually with the asshole above (though I put it differently). Anyone who ever votes third party when there is a close race between horrible and mediocre is making a very, very, very bad mistake and I have a hard time forgiving those who did so in 2000 because the entire world has been suffering ever since because we had Bush instead of Gore.

        I do agree with you that Dems should do more to earn our votes. But I mostly fight those battles in the primaries and I can't tell you how many good candidates lose primaries because no one votes or because people have registered third party or independent.

        FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

        by mole333 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 05:28:42 AM PDT

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    •  Where did he ever say (2+ / 0-)
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      elizabethawilke, Mambo

      He was considering to vote for a Republican?

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:38:20 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not going to HR but you deserve it (6+ / 0-)

      He may have voted but, there are others who might still be on the fence. It's not likely that your idiotic reply will depress the vote because folks here will be voting for the President, often despite his policies.

      On the other hand, you take that condescending clap-trap out in public, you may push away potential Obama voters.

      Quit acting like a moran.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 08:01:22 PM PDT

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    •  Heard this before. (4+ / 0-)

      And frankly I'm tired of it. No vote is a wasted vote. Period. While I'm a generation younger I feel as though I could've written this diary myself. I have not yet voted and understand the moral dilemma this diarist faces. I've met the President and I know he will fight for my rights and those of my daughters but it irks me I've been reduced to a single issue voter.

      I believe both parties are corporate owned and until a 3rd party gets 7-10% of the vote (just enough to wake up the establishment) we will continue down this path. We are already a country that is only 5% of the world's population yet incarcerates 25% of its citizens. We are the only 1st world nation without national healthcare. We are on the verge of losing a woman's right to choose. I'm not sure what's next or how much worse it has to get.

      •  This is not rectified through... (6+ / 0-)

        3rd party votes. It's addressed through primaries.
        Why are democrats so lazy?
        Why do we skip to the dramatic rather than pursue the obvious?

        And I don't mean primaries against the President-which is, itself, a grand gesture-- I mean routine primaries against members of Congress.
        Republicans figured this out a long time ago...

        Le sigh...

        •  THANK YOU!!! (1+ / 0-)
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          mahakali overdrive

          A point I try to make over and over and find many unwilling to hear. I also think it is laziness.

          FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

          by mole333 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 05:35:47 AM PDT

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        •  Primaries are never bought? (0+ / 0-)
          This is not rectified through...
          3rd party votes. It's addressed through primaries.
          Are you saying that primaries will always yield a nominee who has the confidence of the entire side of the political spectrum?

          When I was in college, a radical professor introduced me to the concept of a One and a Half Party System, where the "half" party served to corral the dissidents, keeping them away from the real power while giving the illusion of being included. Such a party would have to win a few; to maintain the illusion, but such victories are not allowed to bring permanent realignments.

          I say that a party's leadership must fear defection of the base as much as the base fears that a third party vote would elect the opposite. There are many times when I had to wonder if the Democratic Leadership Council types were less afraid of losing to Republicans than having to represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

          For 42 years, I've heard the Republicans whine about a "liberally biased media."

          For 42 years, I've watched the Republicans act as though they had nothing to fear from this media.

          One thing I haven't witnessed is any Democrat in a leadership position pointing out that either the Republicans know it's a lie or they're masochistically begging to be humiliated.

          Can you look at this failure by the DLC types to lead and not say it supports the 1 1/2 Party theory?

          I like to think of myself as a loyal Democrat, and even when I get angry with the "leadership," I don't know if I'd ever have the guts to cast a meaningful protest vote. However, I see party loyalty as a two way street. Demands that we the rank and file must be content with whatever they give us (even if the nominee is a Blue Dog) show an unwillingness to represent.

          The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

          by Judge Moonbox on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 07:40:18 PM PDT

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      •  Totally, completely disagree (3+ / 0-)

        I am horrified that after 2000 anyone can think that they shouldn't vote for the best of the two main candidates in a close race. We will suffer for a century for the fact we got Bush over Gore and one factor in that horrible event was people who foolishly voted for Nader instead of Gore. Those Nader voters did massive harm to the environment with their vote.

        What President since maybe FDR has been better than Obama? Maybe Clinton. But no others. Given that and given the fact that since 2000 the consequences of not voting for the best of the two candidates who have a shot of winning in the general are starkly clear, I cannot imagine anyone who spends any time really thinking about it who would vote third party in a close general eleciton.

        I fight hard for progressives in the primaries, though I am often stymied because of the number of people who don't bother to vote in primaries who who aren't registered Democrats. Many good candidates lose because of the low turn out in primaries. But when the general election comes, I vote for the better of the two candidates who have a chance of winning if it is a close race because to do otherwise is foolish. And we had 8 years of Bush to reiterated that so starkly it is a lesson I will never forget.

        FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

        by mole333 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 05:34:47 AM PDT

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      •  You mean like the Tea Party? (1+ / 0-)
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        There's a movement that called itself a party and delivered a lot of votes.

        They were subsumed immediately by the GOP. The same fate will befall any 3rd party. If it gets big enough, it will merge with one of the established parties. And we are back at Square One.

        Let's say the third party grows so large so fast it can'r be subsumed. If that happens either the Dems or the GOP party will go out of business. Which means the American population will once again be divided into two political camps. Since it is the same national population divided into two camps... how much would really change?

        If you want to see the end of the two party system, you have to start by replacing the Constitution. until then it is a waste of time.

        •  The goal isn't necessarily 3+ parties, but ... (0+ / 0-)

          two reasonable ones. If the seismic electoral realignment happened by having the Left vote Green and the Right vote Democratic, with the Republicans left with the total fringe akin to the Socialists on the left, we'd be much better off than a Way Right and a Sort-of Right party as our two choices.

        •  Faster than that. (0+ / 0-)
          You mean like the Tea Party? They were subsumed immediately by the GOP
          The Tea Party was born sold out. They were called into existence by Rick Santelli, following his rant that the blame for the Great Recession should be placed on the lowest level possible: the homeowners who fell for the subprime loan pitches.

          I think the reason third parties don't survive long is because the system denies them the sense of accomplishment that they need. Nixon got out of the Vietnam War because he saw that it was eroding respect for authority; but the way he got out gave (I think intentionally designed) the least acknowledgement of the left's moral stance as possible.

          The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

          by Judge Moonbox on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 08:05:03 PM PDT

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    •  If this were toned down just a tad... (1+ / 0-)
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      I would recommend it. Tempted to anyway. Maybe next time leave out the "total schmuck" line and I bet it would have been largely up rated. I do give JMF some credit for reccing your comment see, he isn't a TOTAL schmuck ; -)

      But since 2000 and the consequences of Bush "winning" over Gore, I find it horrifying that we still have this discussion. I fight hard in primaries (often against extreme apathy from the kind of people who vote third party) but come the general election, I seriously DO think it is my job to vote for the best of the two main candidates. Which is the Dem 99.9% of the time (there was that one race in Louisiana where I would have voted for the Repub over the Dem caught with money in the freezer, for example).

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 05:40:16 AM PDT

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      •  It was out of frustration and a bottle of wine (3+ / 0-)
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        mole333, Cinnamon Rollover, lirtydies

        Sorry for the tone, but this whole Democrats not pure enough argument drives me crazy.  And my comment was intended to be funny, if in-your-face.

        And I'm truly happy, JMF, that you came to the decision you did, which to me is the only sensible decision any progressive person should make.  Let's just say I wanted to punctuate it a little, with the hope that others would do what you did.  Maybe I might offend some, but maybe I might shake some others up.

        •  No need to apologize to me... (0+ / 0-)

          Just wish I could rec your comment because it is mostly right on the mark.

          It actually irks me a bit this diary gets more attention that this one, which outlines 50 Top Obama Accomplishments and should be something we are all proud of.

          FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

          by mole333 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 06:10:32 AM PDT

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    •  Out of line (0+ / 0-)

      Even in context of the site's Democrats first mission (rather than progressive politics first), this is ridiculous.

      I'd warrant that a large percentage of the voters here have either cast a ballot for a third party candidate or strongly considered it. Sometimes this is done without much though. Can't do much about that. For folks posting and reading here, I suspect that a lot more thought went into it. Vitriol isn't going to help the D case with those voters.

      The plural of anecdote is not data.

      by Skipbidder on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 11:06:47 AM PDT

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  •  Thank you... (28+ / 0-)

    for your vote.  We need everyone we can get.  Unfortunately, there are times when pragmatism takes precedence over idealism and this is one of those times.  As a former professional woman with a daughter and granddaughter, I have watched in horror at the current Republican agenda.  I told someone the other day that Bush looks like a moderate compared to the party of 2012.  I marched throughout the 70's and 80's and believed some of these battles were pretty much set in stone.  Fool that I was.  I absolutely cannot believe that Roe is one vote--ONE VOTE--from being overturned.  I was close friends with the daughter of one of the doctors involved in the  original case and it was such a stunning moment in our lifetimes.  And then I watch Romney refuse to even commit to equal pay and the Lilly Ledbetter Act.  What scares me even more are women that I hear say they are not worried about it because it will never happen.  Have they been sleeping the last 12 years?  

    I am afraid, very afraid for my daughter and granddaughter and the world they may be facing.  Even though I now live in the very red Texas, I will vote for Obama because he needs that popular vote win behind him as well to have some strength to continue to fight.  So from this woman, at least, you have my heartfelt thanks.  For any others thinking about voting for a third party candidate in this election, please consider what it may mean for those you love who are women, gay or lesbian, living in or close to poverty or elderly.  There is no doubt that a Romney administration would do its best to cement white male privilege for the wealthy and throw all the rest of us under the bus.  And even if you're in a blue or red state, Obama needs that popular vote win to seal his presidency.

    Gandhi: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. "

    by FoxfireTX on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 03:45:18 PM PDT

  •  I find it breathtaking.... (19+ / 0-)

    ....that there are independents who cannot believe that Republicans will do what they say they are going to do.

    This time they mean it.  

    They put us in a credit downgrade, laughing at the economist John Boehner (!) brought in to explain to them the consequences.  They are stupid.  They are zealots.  They are the Republicans in the United States Congress.  

    These are the Republicans who, for the first time in history, hoped the economy would tank rather than give Obama a victory.  

    They are traitors.  They are stupid.  They are zealots.  

    One of the absolute worst is the Republican nominee for Vice President.  

    This is the end of Roe v. Wade if Romney is elected.  It is the end of rights as we know them.  This country becomes completely fascist.  

    This time they mean it.  And it terrifies me that half of this country doesn't understand, doesn't care or doesn't believe.  

  •  It's not a single issue at all. (10+ / 0-)

    I've been trying to look it up, but I can't find it, but a long time ago a prominent Republican said that the problem was the Enlightenment! If you look at everything the far right has been doing, from doubting science to their views on women, it all stems from their desire to take the world back to a pre-Enlightenment time. For some reason, it seems that women's issues really make people sit up and take notice, but that's only one of a group of interlocking issues.

    •  Back to the Albigensian Crusades? (3+ / 0-)

      From the start of the Albigensian Crusades (1208) to, the end of the Wars of Religion, I think it was about 1692 or so. (I''m taking the Battle of Aughrim as the last, but I welcome other suggestions), there have been many wars by Christians against Christians over theological disputes. The 30 Years War killed half of Germany. The St. Bartholemew's Day Massacre killed as many French people in a few weeks as the Reign of Terror killed in months. Even after the wars ended, they let in place structures that killed more in later years. (Although the English prejudice against the Irish predates the Reformation, the religious issues probably was the key in limiting the assistance the UK would give to alleviate the Potato Famine.)

      What brought an end to this dispute? Mainly it was the Enlightenment; as the Montaignes and the Spinozas questioned the value of such deadly religiosity.

      Wishing an end to the Enlightenment would allow bin Laden wannabes to take over Christianity.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:17:49 PM PDT

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  •  I add my thanks (11+ / 0-)

     I've been having this same argument with one of my sisters.  In many ways she is more liberal than I am.  To say she has been disappointed during the last four years would be an understatement.  She has been openly hinting that she was going to vote Green Party this year.  My argument to her was that this year, of all years, her vote was too important to be wasted just to make a statement that no one will ever hear.  I made that mistake a long time ago and it resulted in 8 years of Ronald Reagan.  I reminded her that, yes, she had other choices on the ballot but that none of those other choices were going to be appointing the next Supreme Court justice.  Only one of two men will have that opportunity and they had a (D) or an (R) next to their names.  I'm hoping she makes the same decision you did when she fills out her ballot.

  •  3rd parties are viable at lower levels of office (4+ / 0-)

    at this point in time. The higher you go, the more likely it is that you're voting for a Mickey Mouse Candidate.

  •  I understand, but this is the world we have. (10+ / 0-)

    Look, I feel like people should be screaming about climate change, and pollution, and war and unceasing human stupidity. I don't think of myself as far left, I think of my self as moderately rational, and so I can't comprehend any thinking creature casting one vote for the Republicans. My disagreements with the Democrats are legion, and I fear for the possibility that they may give away the ranch for one republican vote, but the alternative, to give the reins of power to the Republicans, is too horrible to contemplate.

    philosophically, I am probably closer to the green party than anyone, although I'm sure that they might screw it up if they actually achieved any power. But they won't, and in self defense, not just for me, as I am not that young, but for the future of all the people who would suffer, not just in this country, I voted straight D. Because I felt it was the best choice for all our futures.

  •  Women's issues are human issues (6+ / 0-)

    Thank you for being pragmatic.  As a woman in her late 40's, I cannot believe the crazy in the GOP anymore.  It is horrendous.  And how any woman could vote for the GOP is truly behond me.  Woman's issues are human issues.  I fear for our country if Romney is elected.  

  •  You Did Vote for What You Believe In (6+ / 0-)

    All you have done is declared there are lines you will not cross. You hold beliefs you will not betray. It's complimentary to your high ideals, not contradictory. Before the pendulum can swing the other way, it must be stopped. You know where everything is going. You dug in to protect what you hold dear because the damage will be irreparable for generations.

    I have some issues as well, but I believe they are the result of where we have been led, not of President Obama. A movement, not a man, is needed to change our trajectory. So my temporary solution was to borrow money I don't have at 29.9% (bloodsuckers!) to donate to him! Should be interesting times soon.

    It's a matter of time. It all takes time. Sometimes a draw is a win. Where we are has been decades in the making. Where you want to be will also be decades in the making. But, we'll never get there if we each don't do our part. Take comfort that you have done your part. Until the next time.

  •  I will not be (2+ / 0-)
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    My congressman is Jim Cooper. My colleague at work is his Green opponent, John Miglietta. I'll be voting for John. I'm not sure what I'd do if I thought it mattered, but I'm glad I have the option.

    Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

    by tcorse on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:55:31 PM PDT

    •  Cooper is my Congressman also. (1+ / 0-)
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      At least I know he will vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker, so I will vote for him.

      However, I am going to vote Green in the Senate race because the man who won the Democratic primary won on a fluke. He is a homophobic conservative who won a narrow plurality of votes in the primary while the (soon to be former) Democratic leadership was asleep at the wheel.

      Isn't it discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit? (Noel Coward)

      by Mid10Dem on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:02:36 PM PDT

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  •  As a (d)emocratic Socialist, I sometimes (11+ / 0-)

    wish I were better represented. For example, I don't believe in the need for a standing military. I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't believe in globalization as a sustainable economic model, and thus I don't particularly believe in trade deals which benefit other countries. Thus said, I believe that the Republican Party is wholly corrupt, that living under Bush's regime for eight years nearly bankrupted our nation, and that social justice and civil rights declined and will continue to decline under such a Party.

    I continue to vote Democratic because some Democrats have very good ideas, the most important of which to me is creating a functioning coalition of people who can advance social equity better than anyone else right now politically. Also, ecologically speaking, the clock is ticking, and Democrats believe in man-made climate change. It is the fact that Democrats are able to stand by one another toward some issues which are important to me, whereas the Republican Party is a retrogressive pox on every issue that reminds me to vote for Democrats each and every year.

    I don't share many of the specific points of view that you share in your diary, but I do share the conclusions which you come to, and some for similar reasons.

    Capitalism and war are deal-breakers to me, and yet the job of U.S. President is one which asks us to elect someone to the position of Commander-in-Chief of a Capitalist nation. That presents quite a paradoxical request; in the past, I simply responded by not voting. Later, I realized that this was short-sighted because I couldn't change the job description through my vote. I will always oppose these things, along with other issues like social injustice. But when I think about what kind of person I want as President, what kind of person I want to carry out wars in my name -- wars which I would never want my name attached to -- or military interventions, or economic global trade deals, or domestic policies that the President tackles, then I always see that the Democratic nominee is better than the Republican nominee, and that some elusive protest vote candidate isn't going to punish anyone but ourselves in the long run.

  •  My thoughts exactly (11+ / 0-)
    It didn't matter that Dr. Stein or Rocky Anderson generally hold the same positions as myself. It didn't matter they, too, would uphold a women's right to choose. They will not be elected and have no power to stop this deluge of Republican religious extremism, but President Obama and (most) of the Democrats might have the power.
    This is exactly the way I feel.  I live in the swing state of Florida.  I too was disappointed in the Obama administration.  But I was not going to let my disappointment condemn thousands of women to the humiliation and degradation of the Republicans.  No, I was not going to vote third party and set in motion another election year 2000.  

    On the one issue of reproductive freedom, I will vote Democratic.  

  •  I live in CD1 too (5+ / 0-)

    Here's the deal.  NO ONE is going to represent your views 100%. And if by some miracle we did get a 3rd party they still have to contend with congress and a lazy uninvolved electorate. If WE WERE DOING OUR JOBS then they will have to do their jobs.

    As someone who knows Degette and I believe I know our president there is one thing that I know is true. They will listen to us. We just have to speak up. Loudly.

    The reason why this country has been moving to the right is because that is the natural progression when there is a threat to basic needs not being met. (ie. middle class's $ flatlining. Jobs getting shipped = future uncertainty = clinging to guns And religion = American Taliban )

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. ~JFK

    by TheUrbanRevolution on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 10:29:18 PM PDT

  •  J M V, I identify with your disillusionment with (6+ / 0-)

    the Democratic Party.

    However, even in identifying with your quest to vote for someone with your values down the line (and I suspect, but cannot know, that my values and your values are indistinguishable), I've been a longtime Democratic activist (I consider myself a Green Dem) and I've seen that the numerically minor presidential candidates, even if elected, would be cut off at the knees legislatively because the numerically minor have failed to concentrate on pursuing and winning local elections, so as to have "backing" eventually for the top of the ticket.

    A president doesn't legislate. A president may inspire legislation, but if s/he doesn't have enough like-minded legislators to make the deals (and create laws that punish evil political action), they cannot get anything beneficial done.

    T&R'd. Thank you for your diary.

  •  Not a Choice I Envy You (1+ / 0-)
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    Since you are arguably in a swing state, there's the vague off-chance that your vote will make a difference in the outcome. I'm not in a state that's going to decide the presidential race, so I have a lot more freedom to vote whichever way I like. No one will come back to me later and say that my hanging chad meant the difference between victory and defeat.

    But you had to take that into account. If they start re-counting votes, it could come down to one vote in Colorado.

    The vast majority of American voters are not in that position. Their vote, like mine, will simply never decide the presidency.

    At that point you have to consider who would be the best President. I'm not convinced Stein or Anderson would be best. But I'm also sickened by what I've seen from the last four years. Not a single shred of the Bush dictatorship has been removed. At least they are right on that issue, and Obama is flat wrong on it.

    That makes it very hard to vote to re-elect Obama. What is the penalty for letting the U.S. slide into a dictatorship?

    I'm filling out my ballot right now. I haven't decided who to mark off for that top spot. If I had seen a solid movement toward restoring democracy it would have been a no-brainer. Even though Obama hasn't shown any inclination to allow liberal policies to go through, he's done such a steady job of getting us back on track that it would be easy to mark him down. Just stablizing things after the craziness of the Bush years is an incredible accomplishment.

    But none of the things we care about are possible if you let democracy slip away. It doesn't matter which issue you care about we can never win it except through democratic means. You want to fight the big corporations over the environment? Dream on if you think that will happen in a dictatorship. You want to save Social Security? Cut defense spending? Get the economy moving? Get money out of politics?

    What I want to know is if I mark off Obama on this ballot will he do anything to fix this problem? I want to see some indication that he even acknowledges it's an issue. He says he's trying to do this all legally. There's no legal way to deny habeas corpus. There's no legal way to spy on Americans. There's no legal way for the government to execute people without a trial.

    The only ray of hope is that he might do what the Republicans fear most. Obama might actually start to act like a liberal after the election, when he doesn't have to worry about re-election. He could, without any change in the law, sweep away most of the Bush dictatorship.

    It takes an awful lot of faith to vote for someone on the chance he'll do the right thing after he's been elected.

    Especially after a four-year track record of doing absolutely nothing about it. And it isn't just the Bush dictatorship, either. There's the climate change issue, as well.

    Do you think Obama will change after the election? Do you think he'll address these two existential threats to our country? If you didn't have to vote for him simply because he might lose your state, would you have still done it?

    I have to mark up this ballot this weekend and mail it off. I've got a lot of Democrats on it that I don't have to think about. I can just check them off with confidence that they're going to be much better than their opponents in all the other parties.

    But there's this one guy I have a lot of trouble voting for again. I could get over it if this were a political issue. If you lose on politics it may take a while but the voters will see the error of their ways and correct that. Democracy is not a political issue. It's not something where you can fix the problem down the road if you get it wrong. Once it's gone, it's gone for good.

    •  Every vote matters, even in non-swings, because (3+ / 0-)

      if it's a close election, the bitterness will be real. Didn't you feel it, in 2000 and 2004?

      Difference is, that liberals tend to whine and mourn and maybe go to court here and there. And then they settle down and do their job for the people.

      As we have seen in the last 4 years, conservatives absolutely set out to block the winning side from accomplishing a thing, regardless of who gets hurt.

      Please vote, if not for Obama, then against Romney.

    •  I believe.... (1+ / 0-)
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      that he will undo some of the excesses that he has continued in a second term.  I suspect we would all have a very different perspective once we got into the office, received the intelligence briefings to know that the threats are real, and had to carry the weight of American lives on our shoulders.  But, but, I believe that Obama also recognizes the potential for abuse in the wrong hands and will do his best to reverse at least some of the more egregious policies in a second term and not risk leaving that power to the Repubs.  Just my 2 cents worth.

      Gandhi: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. "

      by FoxfireTX on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:05:45 AM PDT

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  •  There is a lot of pain in your post. (4+ / 0-)

    At least it hurts me to read it. I know that it was difficult for you to come to your decision to vote a straight Democratic  ballot, and I thank you.

    I want you to know that I share a lot of your views, and I did not believe that I would be able to vote for Obama because I was so angry at what I felt was his betrayal of progressive ideals.  Four years ago, I traveled with my then 18 year old son from CA to Nevada to canvass and register voters, we sent money, we phone banked, but until two months ago I didn't think that I could even vote for him this time.  Then the convention happened.  I was re-inspired by the people and the ideals of the Democratic party.  And as I learned more about Romney and re-examined the President's accomplishments,  as I came to terms with the reality that there are only two viable options and one of them is completely unacceptable, I finally conceded that I would vote for President Obama. Hanging out here at Daily Kos helped a lot and has moved me beyond just voting.

    Today I phone banked for Obama for the first time this election cycle.  In one call, I spoke to a voter in Colorado who said that he was leaning towards voting for a third-party candidate.  He was kind enough to spend some time talking; he said that he was disappointed in President Obama for not accomplishing more.  By the end of our conversation, he asked me to mark him as undecided, knowing full well that would mean that he would be getting more calls.  To me, that was maybe a victory because he is still open, and he heard the point that his vote in Colorado could make the difference in the outcome of this election.  

    Thank you again.  Your vote could make the difference in this election.  

    •  thank you as well....there is pain in the post (3+ / 0-)

      but we have to try and make this a perfect union from
      the inside and it certainly will not happen under conservative republican wingnuttery rule.  They do not allow us into the process.  I remember under Bush they called the Capitol police on members of congress in the Dem party for trying to represent their constiuents.

      We CAN make dem more progressive but it takes time.
      We can lose America under wingnuttery and ALL of our rights so yes I do thank you.  Was it party over principle?
      Absolutely not.  It was sanity and stewardship over a hujacking takeover by nutcases.  thank you again.
      I think Bernie Sanders knows exactly how he feels and he is pushing the Dem party very strongly because he knows the outcome of any other choice.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 07:10:17 AM PDT

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  •  Staunch Democrat that I am, I confess (11+ / 0-)

    to having flirted with 3rd party alignment in my younger days. I even voted 3rd party in at least one election - for Barry Commoner.

    Somewhere along the line I had an epiphany in which I was effectively disenfranchising myself by not being able to vote in the primary elections. I had been registered Independent, and so I changed to Democrat.

    In later years, I began noticing how races with "green" candidates often ended up going to the Republican. Hmmm. Yeah, yeah, I know someone's going to say that Ralph Nader had absolutely frickin' nothing to do with Gore losing in 2000 - but that's just a bunch of malarkey, imo. I've read studies conducted by people a lot smarter than I am, and it's pretty a given that 3rd parties nearly always through the election to the opposing ideology. So that became my second reason for not voting 3rd party: I don't vote to elect Republicans, and that's basically what the greens have done for us. And that truly is voting my conscience.

    Then, not long ago, I read a comment here on DKos that opened my eyes yet another reason: 3rd party candidates can promise you anything, knowing they will never have to deliver! They're not going to be the ones having to walk that incredibly fine tightrope that I see someone like Pres. Obama doing every day. I could go on, but it's late.

    Yes there are always exceptions and no doubt Bernie Sanders is a fine representative and asset to democracy - and if I lived in his district I'd most likely vote for him. But this election is far too important to diddle away with heads-in-clouds notions about political purity. I mean, the shit we're dealing with is real.

    So, to the diarist: I'm glad you saw the light and voted wisely and well this time :)

    •  ^^^^^ For every third-party voter ^^^^^ (4+ / 0-)

      I used to vote 3rd party regularly. I voted for John Anderson in my first-ever election. I voted for Ross Pirot in 1992. I've voted 3rd Party in state and congressional races. I have even pulled the lever for (shudder) Libertarian candidates.

      Yes, like everyone else growing up in the USA, I heard America was a '2-party system'. The thing is, I just did not understand why that was the case until I was in my 40s. If GW Bush had not been elected, I might never have focused enough on politics to figure out why.

      By now I have figured it out. America's winner-take-all system means our politics will gravitate to two huge national parties. As jan4insight points out, if one of these power blocks fragments into two parties, the unfragmented power block will win everything. And they will go on winning everything, until the fractured block re-forms again.

      So what is to be gained in the long term? Creating a third party does not change who lives in America. If the Green Party grew so strong as to destroy the Democratic Party, nothing would change except teh brand-name. This is the case because the same Americas wold belong to the left-leaning party regardless of its name.

  •  I'm Right There with Ya, Almost (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm in CA, so my vote for President doesn't actually matter. Would have voted for Rocky if he weren't a write in candidate here. Instead, voted Green for Pres. Every race where the outcome was in question, though, I voted Dem. So if I were in CO or any other remotely swingy state, I would have voted Obama.

  •  As a person who voted for third parties (9+ / 0-)

    for many many years, I've made major changes about how I vote and why.

    I am now officially a Democrat - meaning not just how I vote but what I do locally.

    My local Democrats are against hydrofracking, have worked to clean up the Hudson River, support marriage equality and choice.

    Are they "as progressive" ideologically as my former socialist colleagues - probably not.  

    They do however get things done.  

    My local greens and socialists talk a lot - but do very little in the area of elbow grease, meaning going door to door, carrying petitions, phone banking, turning up at PTA, school board and library meetings.

    I'm still what you might call a Democratic socialist, in my thinking, mostly because of my views on capitalism and the global economy, but at 65 I'm also a pragmatic idealist.  

    If there are two main issues I am hoping that Democrats will address - if elected - there is the question of SCOTUS, and also the Iran issue.  I have no doubt that the r's will put wingers on the court and embroil us in another war.

    As a very long time civil rights activist, SCOTUS is the last bastion of defense for hard won rights by our troops on the ground.  

    I really don't want to have to be out in the streets getting my head beat again just to have the right to vote.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


    "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now". Rev. William Barber, If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

    by Denise Oliver Velez on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 04:25:31 AM PDT

  •  Deep thanks to you and your Lady, J M F (3+ / 0-)

    I share many of your concerns and like you I voted a straight Democratic ticket.

    I look at my daughters, my son and son in law and especially the grand boys and know to my bones that we simply must do everything humanly possible to re-elect President Obama and every Democrat on the ballot.

    I'm almost 63, been a poltical junky for decades, and this election is the most important of my life time and theirs.

    We have to do everything to GOTV during these last crucial days. Every vote matters greatly.

    Thank you for yours.

    "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Onomastic on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 06:22:08 AM PDT

  •  As an Occupier and a Democrat, I (3+ / 0-)
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    feel similarly as you on many points.  As an Occupier I sat with the Democratic mayor I voted for a few weeks earlier, in negotiations about our encampment.  He said he sympathized with the majority of our positions, he was an 'Obama Democrat', as he put it.   As he repeatedly catered to downtown business interests over the plight of the unemployed, uninsured and homeless, and sent the police in nightly to ticket, arrest and beat up.

    As many of the libertarians, Greens and anarchists hounded nearly every Democrat (and Republican, I might add) out of our local Occupy,  I am leaning more in the direction of "occupying" the Democrats.  The party has gotten more right wing as we progressives and radicals abandon the party, rather than using it as the most effective tool that it could be.  I hear my Occupy acquaintances talk about oppression, racism and classism (from mostly white, middle class people) and yet they ignore that the Democratic party is the most diverse group of people in any location you can name, that have achieved truly historic gains for 99%.  My local Occupy disappointed me with its abandonment of hearing all voices.  I've also concluded that many of them just want to feel morally superior and strive only for a perfectionism doomed to failure.    I actually want to make progress. I actually want to win victories.  

    While I help build 'the better world' as it should be, I must realistically and practically operate in the often frustrating, often difficult world as it is.  

  •  Thanks. The problem with voting is that it is not (2+ / 0-)
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    an act of conscience; it is an act of consequence.  In our now-obsolete voting system, we are given two effective consequence sets, & we must pick the one we prefer.   There is no alternative; one or the other WILL HAPPEN.

    This is why:

    At the end of the video is an option to watch The Alternative Vote Explained.  It is that alternative vote that will make 3rd parties viable.

    IF we are one day able to implement ranked choice/instant runoff voting in all our cities (yay San Francisco!!), states, & ultimately our federal government, THEN we'll have real alternatives.  Until that blessed day, the only useful act of consequence is to vote straight Dem down the ballot, & PRIMARY OUT conservaDems despite any opposition from party bigwigs.

    Before elections have their consequences, Activism has consequences for elections.

    by Leftcandid on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 07:18:58 AM PDT

  •  I often wonder? (4+ / 0-)

    How much death, waste, stupidity, corruption, and human suffering would have been avoided had the Nader voters, in 2000, shared your wisdom?

  •'re a "values" voter (1+ / 0-)
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    We'll see how much those values mean to you when we enter an economic collapse, caused by the dysfunctional behavior you outlined so well in your first paragraphs.  

  •  This year I'm voting for all things that Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    will protect us from.  As a Nader 2000 voter, I can tell you, voting for Nader didn't protect me from Bush or his part imcompetent, right-wing, and mostly cronyism/ plutocratic rule.

    The question is what will voting for Stein/ Anderson accomplish in real terms (and what the consequences of Romney admin are in turn) vs. what will voting for Obama accomplish.

    People, not corporations. Democracy, not totalitarian capitalism.

    by democracy is coming on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:23:15 AM PDT

  •  As someone who lives in Alabama (4+ / 0-)

    I know my vote counts for nothing. But as someone told me when our union endorsed the odious George Wallace, with the Democrats in charge at least they're going to vote for worker's rights more than the alternative. The southern strategy encted by Atwater & his ilk has been so effective here that we have very few elected Dems these days, when at one time they dominated state politics.

    I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say here except that no matter how disappointed people are about Obama's presidency,  we are better off with him than anyone else. Everyone has to make compromises even if they have to hold their noses to do so.

  •  Remember, a 3rd party vote is 1 NOT going to Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    and in so-called "swing-states" we need as many votes FOR Obama as we can get.

    Remember, too, vote counts do NOT count who you vote AGAINST, only who you vote FOR.

    In an even race: Candidate A 33%+Candidate B 33%+Candidate C 34% = 100, Candidate C wins, even though 66% of the populace did not vote for him/her.

    Folks, fore-warned is for-armed.  Don't waste your vote on a 3rd party candidate because you are not happy 100% with Obama.  This is not the time for it, and this is not about you and your precious political standards.  We're out here to WIN, so please don't stand in the way to victory.

    BTW, this is how the late great Doris "Granny D" Haddock saw it.  Visit her website or Google and read her speech "Don't Stand In The Way Of Our Joy".

    Republicans Suck Like A Hoover

    by BaritoneWoman on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:45:52 AM PDT

  •  Why vote (2+ / 0-)
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    If you want to collect your EARNED Social Security you need to be a democrat.
    If you don't want Medicare voucherized (costing you over $6000 more per year to start with no top end cost containment) you need to be a democraat.
    If you think Government should stay out of your bedroom you need to be a democrat.
    If you like women  you need to be a democrat
    If you value education you need to be a democrat.
    If you love the troops but hate the stupid oil wars you need to be a democrat
    If you want to rebuild American from the middle instead of just giving more money to the fuckups who wrecked it in the first place you need to be a democrat.

    I am not kidding when i say that anyone who makes less than 1 million per year is STUPID if they vote Republican.

    If people actually voted their economic interest the minimum wage wqould be $15 or more, we would have medicare for all, we would have FULL retirement in Social Security at age 62, we would not be in any foreign wars with foreign aid mainly going to rebuild American infrastrucure, school would be free to all if you maintained a basic grade point thru college level.

  •  I read this article which suggests 3rd Part voters (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lirtydies, orangeuglad

    this year literally could swing the election for Romney in several key battleground states:

    ...In “live free or die” New Hampshire, Libertarian Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, is a wild card, potentially siphoning votes from both Romney and Obama. And in Colorado, where a marijuana initiative is on the ballot, Johnson’s support for legalizing marijuana could hurt Obama among young voters.
    How that would play out in New Hampshire is unclear, but that a Third Party vote would give one to the GOP in the hotly contested State of Colorado is incontrovertible.

    I have zero patience with Third Party voters this year given how tight this race is. A vote for anyone enabling Romney to win is a vote for the 1%, a vote against women's equity and health, a vote against LGBT civil rights, a vote to prolong the war in Afghanistan and possibly to engage in war with Iran, to throw out peace and diplomacy as a first tier action of defense, a vote to repeal health care for those (like myself) only able to gain it due to "ObamaCare," and ultimately, a vote to ignore the Lily Ledbetter Act, Roe Vs. Wade, and all that the Occupy Movement stood for in standing up to the 1% and its stranglehold on trade, business, work, unions, students, and home owners.

  •  I am also voting straight D this election (0+ / 0-)

    I don't want any more of these crazy racist sexist Republicans anywhere near public office. It will be the first time I ever did voted that way.

  •  Anyone who is considering a protest vote (0+ / 0-)

    or not voting because of idealistic high-mindedness needs to look at what the Republican Party has become. Sure, it is still a lesser of two evils since our political system at the Federal and State levels has long ago stopped serving the people. Back in say 2000 when the Republican party still had some sanity, you might be able to justify not voting or voting Green or Libertarian or whatever other fringe candidate floated your boat. But today, the Republican party has gone so far right on every issue from abortion and women's health to total science denial to insane tax policy that letting them take the WhiteHouse and Congress because you're not 100% satisfied with Obama and the Democrats is insane. I cannot imagine what this country will look like in 10 years if they get full control of the government or even if they just get the Whitehouse and keep the House since Democrats in the Senate let the Republicans run the show anyway.

    "As we celebrate mediocrity all the boys upstairs want to see how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free"

    by Tim D M on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 12:33:56 PM PDT

  •  My thoughts also (0+ / 0-)

    but I live in a state which will  go for Romney even if he confesses to being a serial pedophile. I'll vote for Ms Stein.  Sometimes it's releiving to vote your conscience.  

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