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I don't know why I find this so amazing, given everything else that's gone on the last few months, but the New York Times piece is something else. Apparently, a group of cash-rich conservatives wanted to finance some good old fashioned, fear-mongering direct mail campaign, but they didn't have any particular message to get out, they just wanted to get people to vote against Obama. So they selected a set of anti-Obama films of, ahem, dubious quality, then hired Frank Luntz to tell them which of those films they ought to start mailing out to people:
They went to the unusual length of arranging a focus group to test anti-Obama films. Conducted by Frank Luntz, the well-known Republican research analyst, a 30-person focus group looked at three choices: Dinesh D’Souza’s “2016: Obama’s America,” which theorizes that the president’s political beliefs were shaped by the radical “anticolonial” views of his Kenyan father; “The Hope and the Change,” a softer critique of the president that features interviews with disaffected former Obama supporters; and “Dreams From My Real Father,” which posits the implausible theory that the president’s real father is Mr. Davis, and that Mr. Davis indoctrinated him with Marxist views early on.
Left (surprisingly?) unsaid in all this: whether or not the films were flatly untrue was of no apparent concern. For that matter, whether or not the films were the most wretched, conspiratorial slanders you could imagine did not particularly concern them either:
Focus groups were revolted by “Dreams From My Real Father,” with its conspiracy theory paranoia and dubious evidence. It compares photos of the president and Mr. Davis, noting that they have similar noses and freckles. It also purports to have uncovered nude photos of Mr. Obama’s mother in a bondage magazine.

Mr. Luntz’s clients were not surprised. Their thinking was, “I want to know if it’s as bad as I think it is,” Mr. Luntz said.

Translation: They knew it was a rancid pile of conspiratorial, lying dung—but they still wanted to know if showing it to people would work. The conservative movement is now focus grouping its conspiracy theories to see which ones to promote to voters.

The conservatives in this case are, unsurprisingly, left unidentified. That is a shame, because I think if someone is going to all the trouble of focus grouping which lies they would most like to finance and distribute to the American people in order to influence an election, I really think the American people ought to be given the privilege of knowing which of America's top odious crapsacks are behind such a thing. For one thing, they clearly need their taxes raised to the point where they no longer have money to spend on such hobbies. (Frank Luntz, for his part, continues his noble career of explaining, for money, how to most effectively lie to people; surely, there needs to be an award given someday for his own contribution to our new political landscape.)

As it turns out, of course, all three films are making the rounds. D'Souza's nutcase film has received plenty of attention, or at least did until D'Souza botched it all up by forgetting that his fellow conservative crackpots weren't quite as keen on adultery as he had presumed they were. The Hope and the Change, chose as the least repulsive by Frank Luntz's guinea pigs, is being shown to voters on local cable stations. And the ultra-insane crackpot one is being mailed out to voters as well, thanks to other anonymous conservative financiers. There doesn't seem to be any problem getting a steady stream of cash for promoting whatever conspiracy theories might need promoting.

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  •  This is disgusting. They did this to Clinton (20+ / 0-)

    this cynical perversion of Democracy made me a Democrat

    wall Street Casino is the root of the problem. Don't call them banks.

    by timber on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:05:47 PM PDT

    •  Hey give them credit (2+ / 0-)
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      Gorette, George3

      atleast they tried the find out which piece of crap was best to  try and feed people.  I mean hell, they spent money on this.  That to me is the real story, that they where too stuipd to know themselves which crazy piece of crap off the crazy pile was just less crazy enough to cut it with swing voters. Come on, thats not that hard and the fact they needed foucs groups?  Holy hell! It would be a scandal if liberals where trying the same thing.

      "WE PRACTICE SELECTIVE ANNIHILATION OF MAYORS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FOR EXAMPLE WE CREATE A VACUUM THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES PEACE IS CLOSER" The Pentagon Papers

      by thegreatkramer on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:50:17 PM PDT

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      •  Sending them in the mail, (2+ / 0-)
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        revgerry, George3

        isn't there something illegal about spreading lies like that? I'm probably delusional. Maybe it's wishful thinking and I'm just mixed up.

        "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

        by Gorette on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:56:24 PM PDT

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    •  It's very revealing as to the way money (2+ / 0-)
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      billstewart, George3

      can allow you to manipulate a lot of people, who presumably do end up believing this stuff.

      I appear to have unrecommended this.  I wanted to recommend it but I can't seem to fix it now, sorry if this effects how long the story stays up?  Not sure how it all works.

      Ignorance more frequently begets confidence then knowledge. Charles Darwin

      by martianexpatriate on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 02:49:00 PM PDT

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  •  Ok. NOW have they reached the lowest (6+ / 0-)

    depths possible

    (note - the one being shown on cable is the first time ever that provider is giving it away FREE, the CEO of the company is a rabid anti Obama RW nut. Supposedly this is the 'first' in what they claim will be a regular free feature. Sure).

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:06:31 PM PDT

  •  Running Against The Actual Obama Too Hard (8+ / 0-)

    So, create a fictional one that fills out with all of their preconceptions, and voila--perfect propaganda.

    Please--anyone that can explain the difference between today's Republikkkanischen and yesterday's Stalinist Communists, please stand up.

    Dig the new single from Papa Knuckerhole himself: http://soundcloud.com/jangellamf/my-les

    by Johnny Wendell on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:08:02 PM PDT

  •  Hence the reason sane (12+ / 0-)

    people watch Coen Brothers films == more reality based.

    Conservative film buffs, on the other hand, will try to watch anything

    elephant surf

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:09:16 PM PDT

    •  They've planned stuff like this, Ralph Reed, (2+ / 0-)
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      he was planning to mail crap to millions of people--read about it months ago.

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:58:15 PM PDT

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  •  Is this being done to Romney? (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone know if something like this is being done to Romney by an outside group? I remember one film was put out during the primary but I've not heard anything more about it recently. Also, from what I remember it was reasonably close to the truth.

  •  If these anonomous rank pustules of filth (12+ / 0-)

    ..have enough money to promote this crap - They can certainly afford a 4% rise in their income taxes.

    Perhaps one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:14:04 PM PDT

  •  The fliers Ive been getting seem ill-suited to the (4+ / 0-)
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    purpose, which ostensibly would be to get swing voters to come over to Romney.  Instead of hewing to concerns that centrist voters might have, and focusing exclusively on jobs and the economy, most of them instead discuss the evils of e.g. same-sex marriage and abortion, issues which are the far right's bread and butter, but would be unlikely to get much traction with undecideds.

    The funniest ones (unintentionally) compare and contrast Obama's views with Romney's, but frankly, I don't know how they can be so sure of what Romney believes and intends when they list his "views" on these fliers-he's flip-flopped several times on abortion, for example.  I have yet to see a single Obama or Democratic flier, btw (tho I live in Ander Crenshaw's heavily GOP district in NE Florida)

  •  I Am Reminded Of "Bush Derangement Syndrome" (9+ / 0-)

    The alleged condition which was caused by "the libs over reaction" to any and everything Bush did.

    In reality, no derangement--everything us "libs" hated about Bush, he really did--he did let Bin Laden go, he did lie us into Iraq, he ran up enormous deficits--these HAPPENED.

    What the boot-licking cult-worshipers hate about Obama, on the other hand is FICTION!

    Obama isn't a socialist or a commie. He was born in America. He didn't add more debt than anyone else or allow Chris Stevens to be killed--none of this ever occurred.

    The real disappointment with Obama is no Public Option, the NDAA, drones et al. But the Krazy Klown Kultists aren't about to make hay of that, because, they like that stuff.

    No, they're content with "where's the fixed economy' after the elders of their religion spent 4 years making sure that didn't happen.

    Derangement, thy name is Republican.

    Dig the new single from Papa Knuckerhole himself: http://soundcloud.com/jangellamf/my-les

    by Johnny Wendell on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:15:44 PM PDT

    •  Check out Redstate.....He's the most corrupt (0+ / 0-)

      politician in the history of mankind.

      •  redstate check out the freepers (5+ / 0-)
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        Sandy is not a real storm
        They are bat shit crazy

        This is from the government.

        Noaa.GOV and the media

        This “storm” has everything to do with Benghazi. this “storm of the century” took bengazin off the news and even on Drudge.I’’ll see you all here after the election , then maybe you might come out of the matrix the media and gov have put you in . no one will remember this “storm of the century” after the election that I guarantee. what you want to bet on that?
        Unbelievable that people even here and Drudge fall for this bs “storm” bs. unbelievable. And people like you are panicking every where. the media are terrorists. This is a fake storm.

        What they are making this “storm” out to be is a fake. It is NOT the huge storm they are making it out to be. Yes i was HERE for katrina and BP(and BP oil disaster was no disaster where is it now so bp was a big fake). Katrina was a real storm with 41 foot storm surge , thousands dead,175 mile per hour winds. Compare this “storm” to that .

        This is like the BP thing over again except this is a communist Obama about to destroy freedom and America and people believe the gov and media even on a conservative site. unbelievable.

        •  Guess they don't live in the mid-Atlantic or North (1+ / 0-)
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          east. There is no battery of any size to be had in our region, and our supermarket is actually shipping food OUT, in fear of a(nother) major flood.

          Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

          by Catskill Julie on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 02:17:24 PM PDT

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  •  To think that Dinesh D'Souza was once considered (11+ / 0-)

    an "intellectual" on the right. It's that what they're calling
    paranoid assholes these days.

    As for Frank Luntz, this sell-out asshole has a very special,
    very hot place in hell reserved for his rotten little soul.

    Someone who would make a living polarizing the country
    is worse than any criminal serving on death row. I mean it.

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. Shakespeare, Henry V

    by Wildthumb on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:16:55 PM PDT

  •  I got a dvd in the mail the other day (6+ / 0-)

    from TeaPartyPatriots.org. titled The Determinators

    The Determinators is a chilling story which uncovers the dark underside of the massive healthcare reform bill that, once implemented, will significantly threaten the way Americans live...and die.
    I suppose I should haz a scared. AACK! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

    No one ever died from laughing too often

    by googie on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:17:41 PM PDT

  •  They should have focused-grouped whether... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...there's any demographic in our country that would watch a video mailed to their house.   I don't believe there is.  This is just more grifter nonsense.  

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:17:46 PM PDT

  •  Dreams From My Real Father (3+ / 0-)
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    Pretty sure I saw that prominently displayed on an end cap at a Wal-Mart.

    Pretty funny how they just throw shit at a wall- Obama's father is either a Kenyan anti-colonialist or an American radical- either way they win. Same thing with his religion. It was oh so bad when his pastor preached "black liberation theology" but then they also say he's Muslim who is destroying Christianity.

    Just keep throwing lies out and see who believes what. Too many lies to fight and media will play along and give airtime to these false attacks even as they "poo poo" the fact that people actually believe that stuff because it's just so much fun to laugh about how silly it all is while putting on equal footing with Democrats telling the truth about GOP governance and strategies.

  •  Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State, BYw

    Every time you think they can't dig the hole any deeper, they find another shovel.

  •  I detest Luntz. What a scuz. But....... (3+ / 0-)
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    Karl Rover, exMnLiberal, BYw

    I think the GOP is being taken.  Luntz is one of those guys who has no compass.  He will just take the money.  So, drain 'em as far as I am concerned.

    The Republican Party, courting the female vote for 2012 by clubbing us over the head and dragging us back to the polling place.

    by truesteam on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:19:24 PM PDT

  •  I'm an Amazon Prime member (6+ / 0-)

    ...and a few days ago I decided to browse the documentaries in the free Prime streaming video section to see if there was anything new worth watching.

    Well, well....just 2 weeks before the election they offer the "Dreams From My Real Father" crap as a free selection.  The comments are appalling - so many conspiracy theorists saying that the film is 'on to something'.  I watched about half an hour of it and a child could tell that it was a racist fraud.  A couple of people complained about this garbage showing up so close to the election, but most of them were gleeful wingnuts.  It's shocking what passes for political commentary.

    you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

    by Dem Beans on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:20:43 PM PDT

  •  One of those is not like the others (2+ / 0-)
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    Two of those films are obviously rank political garbage.  However, "The Hope and the Change" seems like an entirely normal and uncontroversial approach to running against an incumbent.  I can't think of a campaign by a challenger against an incumbent that hasn't made use of former supporters of the incumbent that have switched to the challenger.  It shouldn't even be mentioned in the same political context as the other two which genuinely do poison the political well.

    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by ActivistGuy on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:21:44 PM PDT

  •  Reminds me of "Have you tried 'kill the poor'?" (2+ / 0-)
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    From Mitchell and Webb -

    http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  Shit Pile Dreams of my real father sent this week (2+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State, indie17

    sent out to swing areas of Ohio. Friends got them in Mail. Must mean they are sending out the most offensive and they are desperate in Ohio, especially in the predominately white middle class areas. It started with Tucker Carlson rereleasing his race baiting video the day before first debate and has just been getting nastier and nastier.

    "It is the difficulties that make us stronger."

    by Chamonix on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:26:40 PM PDT

  •  for all the Right's yammering about media silence (2+ / 0-)
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    and the 'bias' of the MSM, why isn't this more widely discussed?

    Free speech is one thing.  Carefully crafted, tested and intentionally marketed lies are a threat to our society.  If this isn't sedition, it's hard to say what is.

    How is it that we aren't seeing network focus on this problem?  It's been allowed to do its damage for more than twenty years, and the chickens are coming home to roost in the rotting out of all reason and comity.

  •  ? The RW Has Been Focus Testing Since the (4+ / 0-)

    Reagan campaign and probably well before given that they got organized around the mid 60's. They've been lying all the way along so it shouldn't be a surprise that truthfulness is not a factor in focus testing.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:28:40 PM PDT

  •  The Party of Watergate (3+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State, billstewart, BYw

    I watched All the President's Men again last night. Republicans would of course claim that was ancient history but I think we should hang the Watergate label on them every we find these dirty trick and suppression efforts.

    Election after election they prove they will go to any lengths to win.

  •  Joseph Goebbels Award (3+ / 0-)
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    I think that he should receive the Joseph Goebbels Award for his masterful propaganda services. http://en.wikipedia.org/... Just my 2 cents.

  •  It's worth the postage (2+ / 0-)
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    to mail back their crap.  With a letter.  

    I get a bunch of stupid flyers printed with all kinds of lies and a bunch of "surveys" asking for money - in prepaid envelopes.  

    I have a lot of fun tearing up the flyers in little pieces, printing out a list of items that refutes the printed lies and mailing the whole thing back to whatever PO Box is on the corner of the flyer.  

    If it's a "survey" I figure they deserve whatever answers they get - hey, they asked! and I fill it out with all my Pro-Democrat answers and write glowing reviews about the steadfast hand that Obama is using to guide our country and that we should have patience and keep our hope and faith alive.  

    Then in the part where it asks what I'm donating, I tell them I can't donate to the GOP, because I already have maxed out on my limits to OFA and democratic candidates and that I'm now contributing to Obama's PAC.  

    Just the vision of them having to pay the postage to get their "survey" back, hoping there is a check inside as well, and having their heads explode when they open it, makes me smile...

    If I get one of the DVD's I'll take great pleasure in hammering it into bits and sending the bits back.  

    "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential." - Barack Obama

    by Ricochet67 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:32:35 PM PDT

  •  Not so surprising, coming from the Party which (2+ / 0-)
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    indie17, BYw

    this political comic showcases oh, so well...


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

    by Angie in WA State on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:34:52 PM PDT

  •  The vile "Dreams..." film is on Netflix (2+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State, indie17

    streamable, and accompanied by this blurb:

    This film chronicles Barack Obama's life journey in socialism starting with evidence that Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA propagandist who indoctrinated Obama into a Marxist ideology during his formative years.
    They also claim it gets 3.2 stars (out of 5), of 12,959 ratings.
  •  Many folks on the Left are still having trouble (7+ / 0-)

    wrapping their heads around this:

    ...whether or not the films were flatly untrue was of no apparent concern.
    Gosh, it's almost like the truth doesn't matter to them or something.

    Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. The truth does not matter to these people. It didn't matter yesterday, it won't matter tomorrow.

    We need to collectively figure this out and stop being so shocked and stunned.

    Maybe I should start a daily diary series. I could headline each entry "The Truth Still Doesn't Matter to the GOP."

    They are playing a different game than the one we're playing. Their game is called 'Trick the saps into voting for their own poverty, enslavement and early death, and make them proud to do so."

    I don't want to start playing their game, because it's horrible and evil and soul-wrecking. But we do have to start playing our game with the knowledge that they are playing a different game.

    Under the New Deal we beat Hitler and put a man on the moon. The New Deal *defines* America.

    by VictorLaszlo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:36:44 PM PDT

    •  See my comment below. You are more right than (1+ / 0-)
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      You realize. Try this: "the truth" hasn't mattered, materially, since the 20th or 19th century. The Right figured this out in 1980. The Left is still in the kind of denial that is very hard to fathom. And, yes, we should diary on it every day. Because everyday articles on the main page feature these ideas for which there is NO LONGER A MATERIAL BASIS. It is beyond stupid that diarists supported by Kos and Kos himself does this repeatedly. It is really just ... Sad. But it is a crisis for us because it hampers our effectiveness.

      •  No, I realize how right I am. ;) (0+ / 0-)

        I blame Bernays.

        But yeah, it's common to see a popular diary that says something like "Candidate X said Y, and Y is clearly not true. Candidate X must be stupid!"

        Just completely missing the point.

        Our Candidate X is not 'stupid.' Candidate X is effectively selling his brand through deception.

        Under the New Deal we beat Hitler and put a man on the moon. The New Deal *defines* America.

        by VictorLaszlo on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:47:34 AM PDT

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  •  I was really liking the new CBS Morning show . . . (0+ / 0-)

    .... until they signed frank luntz as 'in-house bullshitter'

    and they don't even warn you before his mug shows up.

    lost a few breakfasts and no longer eat while it's on.

    except for that, the show is palatable compared to the other networks.    

  •  who's behind this latest hate-mongering propaganda (1+ / 0-)
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    romney. willard "the teflon con " romney is behind this "WHOPPER", look at the way he advised other 1%ers to kneecap their employees. Remember how he was operating behind closed doors, to praphrase willard romney, " if an incident presents itself to embarass and lie about the President, i'll use it" This earthly satanic son-of-a-bitch, has lied all of his life. It's not a stretch to assume that mitt romney is behind this. Look at mitt romney's history, he has lied even when the truth would have been enough to collect more loot.

    The conservatives in this case are, unsurprisingly, left unidentified. That is a shame, because I think if someone is going to all the trouble of focus grouping which lies they would most like to finance and distribute to the American people in order to influence an election, I really think the American people ought to be given the privilege of knowing which of America's top odious crapsacks are behind such a thing

    THE TEFLON CANDIDATE-----> WILLARD MITCH ROMNEY

    by longtimelurker on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:39:32 PM PDT

  •  They are (3+ / 0-)
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    Evil.  I hope Obama wins by a landslide and the GOP becomes only a regional party and disappear like the whigs did.  

    Oracle2021: Reality according to Mitt Romney "Why tell the truth when a lie will suffice...the bigger the lie the bigger the pay off"

    by Oracle2021 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:47:24 PM PDT

    •  the Whigs disappeared (4+ / 0-)
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      because they ceased to stand for anything clear and substantive.  They no longer had a purpose, no ability to address the crucial issues coming to a head in the US in the 1850s.  All they could offer was that they "weren't the other guys", that they were always "the lesser of two evils".  But as political conflicts ratcheted up to crisis  levels, there simply was no longer any room for political vacuity.  The party of the heinous policies, of slavery and sedition, survived, and thrives to this day.  It was the party of "me too" but "lesser evil" that simply evaporated overnight.

      Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

      by ActivistGuy on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:56:39 PM PDT

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  •  Wow. Mitt in FL saying Obama is making things up! (0+ / 0-)

    HAHAHAHAHAA.

    The nerve of this man. Rubio standing behind him looks a bit abashed at all that. How ridiculous. But lots of people believe anything they are told, even people who seem smart!

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:51:22 PM PDT

  •  I've seen commercial mentioned in article: (1+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl

    Offensive and ridiculous. Can't tell you how angry it made me.

    In one commercial that started running this month, a wealthy businessman and Hungarian immigrant named Thomas Peterffy laments how socialism shackled his native country. “And that’s what I see happening here,” he says. “That’s why I’m voting Republican and putting this ad on television.”

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 02:44:30 PM PDT

  •  Surprised (1+ / 0-)
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    I am sort of surprised that these kinds of films have not been released against Romney, specifically regarding his "religion".

    The man thinks his underwear has magical properties. He steals the souls of dead people in freakish secret ceremonies. He believes that he will someday be God of his own planet and Ann will eternally populate that planet with spirit babies. (That's gotta wear a lady out).

    This garbage is all true and would freak out fundies and realists alike.

    I am glad the left isn't resorting to this line of attack, but I am somewhat surprised I have heard none of it.

  •  now I know where I know Frank Luntz from (0+ / 0-)

    He's the ass-hat that Gary Bettman hired to help screw the players in the current NHL lockout. No wonder its looking like a circus now

  •  One Michael Moore Film (0+ / 0-)

    probably quashes all the drivel the right wing cranks out as far as getting a message across. Remember also the only reason the D’Souza film is "ranking" at all -is due to the superpacs buying up most copies - and using them for "air drops" across the great "swing" plains.

    If not us ... who? If not here ... where? If not now ... when?

    by RUNDOWN on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 04:03:38 PM PDT

  •  No surprise - GOP strategy is all about Winning (0+ / 0-)

    The current GOP isn't based on conservatism or neo-conservatism or fiscal responsibility or deficit reduction or evangelicalism or any other specific set of social or philosophical values.  It's based on Winning, on relentlessly attacking the other party because that Wins, and on saying whatever the voters will believe if it gets them to show up, on building whatever coalitions are useful even if they disagree with other people in your coalition, on never compromising on anything when you're strong enough to win or can pass the blame on the soon-to-be-losing party.  Because Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

    Of course, there are things the Republicans want to do with power when they have it, besides just using it to stay in power.  They don't care about Anti-Evolutionism for itself, though they want the religious voter block it brings, but it helps the public mistrust science - and mistrusting Climate Change is a really big issue to the party's corporate sponsors.  Is the deficit important to them?  Not really, it's not like people who care about deficits are going to vote Democrat, and Paul Ryan's really clear that cutting the military budget to reduce the deficit is not on the table, because the party's sponsors want their military pork barrel.  (And it's not like the Democrats are opposed to that either.)

  •  I got the craziest one woohoo (1+ / 0-)
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    edrie

    Dreams From My Real Father came in the mail and I threw it away without watching. To think I missed something so bad  makes Baby Jesus cry.

    Something to take note of western Iowa. Having Steve King as our Congressman makes even these people think we're amazingly gullible.

  •  two words (and a name): donald trump... nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  "whether or not the films were flatly untrue was (0+ / 0-)

    of no apparent concern."

    I'm shocked! SCHOCKED! That "the truth" and "the real" have no weight or power in a world defined by increasing abstraction and inessentiality, where even your most banal information (e.g. FB) is traded as a commodity. And, no less, when the discussion is about "film" (which was we all know is "real" and "true").

    We, the Left, are a clueless group if we are really surprised by this in 2012. Maybe we'd have a case in 1912, but there is no excuse for the rampant failure to think the materiality of the historical present on DKos when so much research and information is out there on "the world as it is today.".

    I am on your side. I agree with the diarist, but it is the height of stupidity that the Left does not understand the actual world that we live in. Have you ever heard of Orson Welles? Or art? Or Dada? Or pop art? Or god forbid the matetiality of film itself? What world do you live in? Oh, right, "reality based," but one where the real is NOT abstraction, desire, "wish-images" or "dream-images," not about power or language, not something completely invented or "made,"  but just, you know, "self-evident" and "true" and somehow ... "there" and, more importantly, is on our "side."

    This kind of delusional thinking was NOT part of the 2008 campaign. Yet it is rampant in 2012. Do you think, perhaps, that this has anything to do with why things are going the way they are? I'm not saying Romney shouldn't be called out, as the campaign has done repeatedly, on its lies. Only that their (and our?) apparent belief that this, the "truth" will save us (or have a material meaning in a hyper-immaterial world) is a sign of our own undoing and our own failure.

    Can we ever get over this? Please? It is a belief in a world that simply does not and, based on what we are actually doing (materially), cannot, exist. Hello? Is anyone out there?

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