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The circle of Republican hackery on Iraq is now complete. Responding to Colin Powell's endorsement of Pres. Obama, official Republican maverick John McCain (R-Sunday) first dropped the F word:
“General Powell, you disappoint us and you have harmed your legacy even further by defending what is clearly the most feckless foreign policy in my lifetime,” McCain said on Brian Kilmeade’s radio program.
(Note that leaving Iraq is now considered more feckless than going to war there in the first place, which should tell you all you need to know about John McCain's mavericky foreign policy ideas, and that's without even going into all that Vietnam business that seems like it could have maybe been pretty darn feckless too, if we were taking the measure of America's biggest fecklessnessess.)

… and then John McCain, Iraq War supporter, Iraq War voter-for, let it be known that it was all Colin Powell's fault that we were in Iraq in the first place:

“Colin Powell, interestingly enough, said that Obama got us out of Iraq,” McCain told the National Review. “But it was Colin Powell, with his testimony before the U.N. Security Council, that got us into Iraq.”
Yes. Yes, clearly the whole thing was Colin Powell's idea. He tricked John McCain, and George Bush, and Dick Cheney, and the entire army of neoconservative dunderheads that thought that we might as well go for two wars instead of one because we had a special coupon offer or whatever the precise logic was, and it's all his fault.

It's true that John McCain has gotten exponentially more cranky since losing his presidential bid, but this still seems like a low blow. Please don't fight, Bush-era hawks. There is more than enough blame to go around. Oh, so very much blame. We could attach a tape here of John McCain's various pronouncements of how Iraq was the greatest threat to America since insert-something-here, but we are all very bored of John McCain, so he will have to look those up himself.

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  •  Colin Powell endorsing Barack Obama in 2012 (16+ / 0-)

    was very good news for John McCain.  

    Just like it was good news for John McCain when Powell endorsed Obama in 2008.

    I am the neo-con nightmare, I am a liberal with the facts.

    by bhfrik on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:02:06 PM PDT

  •  I thought that pic was kind of endearing. (8+ / 0-)

    But John McCain is dead wrong about the Iraq war - that was started by these guys

    I hate hate. I love the look in peoples eyes when they realize, for the first time, that they have power.

    by 4democracy on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:03:28 PM PDT

  •  McCain just needs another Friedman unit (9+ / 0-)

    to get over his defeat. The next 6 months will be critical for his recovery.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:03:34 PM PDT

  •  Is McCain still alive? (2+ / 0-)
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    TexMex, JeffW

    Funny, I thought I'd heard he died.  Or maybe that was just politicially.

    For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)

    by Dallasdoc on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:03:51 PM PDT

  •  Fortunately for McCain's reputation (8+ / 0-)

    ...he voted against the Iraq Debaqle and its subsequent funding bills.

    Right?

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:06:15 PM PDT

  •  I'm sorry, but Powell had to expect this. (17+ / 0-)

    I went to see Powell speak at Harvard circa 1992.  He was introduced by someone white and distinguished who said that audience members needn't worry because Powell was "eminently qualified" for his position.

    I mean, if you're willing to be introduced like that ...

    I know a lot of white folks loved Colin Powell before the U.N. debacle, but it was pretty clear to me at the time that they were using his name and reputation to go to Iraq.

    It's sad really, but this is what happens when you're a black Republican.  As an African American, it's inconceivable to me that any black person would sign up to be in that party.

    Have you googled Romney today?

    by fou on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:07:01 PM PDT

    •  This is why Allen West (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Angie in WA State, FiredUpInCA, JeffW

      both confounds and frustrates me. Oh and Herman Cain. Also.

      Hillary Sent Me. OBAMA/BIDEN '12

      by HillaryIsMyHomegirl on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:12:47 PM PDT

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    •  It was pretty inconceivable to me that Powell (0+ / 0-)

      chose to become a Republican when he left the armed services, and then not only supported, but accepted a position under, Bush Jr.  I questioned his intelligence from that moment on.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:14:41 PM PDT

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    •  I was one who loved him before the UN speech ... (3+ / 0-)
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      Olkate, FiredUpInCA, Ishmaelbychoice

      ... and I extended my disbelief over the 'evidence' longer than I probably should have because my respect for him was so great.  He was a Republican for whom I could have voted.  I would not have voted for him because of his race - just like I did not vote for Barack Obama for any other reason than his character and accomplishments.  But Powell threw all of that away in that speech.  How can I trust anything else that he says after that?

      My sympathy goes out to him but my enmity goes to those that put him in that position - Bush, Cheney, etc.

      Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

      by Terrapin on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:15:05 PM PDT

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      •  I never would have voted for Powell (2+ / 0-)
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        NonnyO, Terrapin

        because he's a Republican; and it always irritated me that, before the U.N., he was the black figure many whites loved to say they would vote for.

        Yawn.

        I think people like Powell because he is a four-star general and he's black.  Everyone likes a black person they can point to as evidence of their "colorblindness."

        I never really liked Powell.  I always thought he was a weak Uncle Tom, and his endorsement of Obama doesn't really change that for me.

        I mean, if I had to choose a black Republican I could say I sort of liked ... it'd be Russel Honore.  I mean, at least that guy has some flavor.  At least he'll kick your fucking ass.

        Have you googled Romney today?

        by fou on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:29:59 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't say that I would vote for him because ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... he was a Republican - what I meant to say was that out of ALL Republicans, he was probably the only one I would have even considered voting for.  And his race had nothing to do with it except for the fact that he had given interviews in which he acknowledged that the experiences of racism led him to differ from his party.

          Michael Steele - now there is an Uncle Tom!  

          Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

          by Terrapin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:09:35 AM PDT

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      •  Powell does not deserve your sympathy (4+ / 0-)
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        fou, native, NonnyO, Terrapin

        He's a grown man and has been for a long time. Bush, et al., did not put him in that position, he accepted it.

        Powell had to choose between two conflicting values. On the one hand, he could choose loyalty, good order, and discipline, as a member of his particular command structure.  I understand how difficult it would be for a military man to go against his orders.

        His other choice was the lives of his men. Two things were 100% compellingly clear at the time Powell gave his UN speech. First, that the justification for invading Iraq was fraudulent bullshit. Second, that American lives would be squandered on a fraudulent invasion. There is no question that Powell knew both of those things at the time he gave the speech.

        He made the wrong choice. He selfishly chose loyalty to a corrupt organization over the lives of thousands of American soldiers, and what turned out to be the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. He knew that his personal credibility was being used to justify the invasion. He knew that his personal credibility was being used to justify war crimes and crimes against humanity. But he did it anyway.

        Yes, it was a difficult choice. But at the critical moment, he chose selfishly and short-sightedly. He does not deserve our respect or sympathy.

        “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

        by Positronicus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:44:57 PM PDT

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        •  I hope it was a tough choice! (1+ / 0-)
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          Positronicus

          That was his own soul he was selling, after all. Gotta get a good price!

          I have no sympathy for this war monger. It would have been great if he had turned out to be a better person, but he's not.

          How many divisions does OWS have?

          by Diebold Hacker on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:49:47 PM PDT

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        •  You think he knew? (1+ / 0-)
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          Positronicus
          There is no question that Powell knew both of those things at the time he gave the speech.
          I have my doubts about that.  Perhaps I'm not remembering something?  Was there some piece of evidence of his knowledge that surfaced later?

          Have you googled Romney today?

          by fou on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:50:36 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, he knew. There was plenty of evidence. (2+ / 0-)
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            Check out the slides he shows, starting at 2:39 in this video.

            Powell says, "... mobile production facilities used to make chemical weapons."

            EVERY IMAGE IS COMPUTER GENERATED. THEY'RE ALL OBVIOUS FANTASIES.

            Sorry for the caps, but every single American over the age of about eight should be able to tell the difference between reality and a cartoon.

            Surely The Secretary of State of the Fucking United States of America should be able to tell the difference between reality and a cartoon. The CNN report wants you to believe that Powell was being played, but good fucking night, the guy was putting up CARTOONS and using them as a justification for war.

            CARTOONS do not pass the smell test. He knew.

            “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

            by Positronicus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 06:09:56 PM PDT

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            •  Yeah, but ... (1+ / 0-)
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              Positronicus

              Aren't they simulations because real footage would be classified?

              Look, I'm not saying that I'm skeptical of the claim that he knew.  I'm just not aware of any evidence of it.

              I actually think it's worse if he didn't know.  To say it's appalling for a four-star general to be duped like that is a gross understatement.

              Having said that, McCain is one to talk.  How many of his Admiral daddy's planes did he crash until they took him prisoner?  I guess if I were John McCain, and my dad gave orders to bomb the city in which I was held prisoner, I would point a finger at Colin Powell too.

              Have you googled Romney today?

              by fou on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 06:16:56 PM PDT

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              •  Nope. Still fails the smell test. (1+ / 0-)
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                NonnyO

                Powell was presenting his evidence to the world to justify killing thousands of people. It has to be good, solid evidence. Not cartoons.

                Aren't they simulations because real footage would be classified?
                At this point, you're just making up excuses for him. The guy was an all the way grown up adult, a military professional, and the Secretary of State. His evidence would have been laughed out of a Jr. High debate club. Total fail.
                Look, I'm not saying that I'm skeptical of the claim that he knew.  I'm just not aware of any evidence of it.
                Look, when you are three years old, you don't know if dropping an egg on the floor will break the egg or not. You don't have enough experience. So you have to try it. And if Mom has to clean up a mess, at least she can honestly say you didn't know.

                But by the time you're nine, you should know enough about eggs and floors to know that if you drop the egg, you're gonna make a mess. You're past the age where you can plausibly make excuses. Any competent nine year old knows not to drop the egg.

                Yes, I am presuming a certain minimal level of competence on the part of Secretary Powell. But it is a very low level of competence indeed. Any college freshman should know the difference between reality and cartoons, between hard photographic evidence and anecdotal verbal reports by shady characters with sketchy reputations.

                For a guy at Powell's level to fuck up that badly required deliberate blindness to the obvious. Willful negligence. Yes, he knew.

                “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

                by Positronicus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 07:19:49 PM PDT

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                •  YES and NO: new information tells Powell's story (0+ / 0-)

                  Seems many here haven't seen the more recent info divulged over the last year or two by Powell's chief of staff Lawrence Wilkerson.

                  This is because it creeps out in bits around a deliberate media whitewash. Wilkerson has been clear and consistent in telling the Iraq WMD story first hand, often without much sympathy for Powell. His story is corroborated by other Bush era whistleblowers.

                  Powell has indeed been very douschey about it, careful not to become a complete pariah in his party and IMO, to preserve his book/speaking fees and TV appearances.

                  The story came out via Amy Goodman and Lawrence O'Donnell (before he signed his non-disclosure contract with the MSNBC) and books published by top officials in the CIA and the BND (Germany's CIA).

                  In short, Powell was played. His continued opposition to the Iraq WMD claims was worn down, says Wilkerson. Cheney's OVP gamed the Secretary using agents he had (illegally) embedded in the CIA. A crucial 'dissent' made jointly by the CIA and BND impeached all of Curveball's charges in the first place.

                  But this dissent was hidden from Powell (illegally), leading Powell to FINALLY call for an investigation last year in one little-seen interview. Top CIA officials like Tyler Drumheller say they were assured the Curveball claims were removed - until they heard them in Bush's State of the Union speech!

                  Wilkerson resigned after he realized the second confession had been recanted, going public on PBS and putting Powell somewhat on the spot for not resigning as well.

                  The other major piece was augmented Curveball's WMD claims with another "confession" made by a Libyan under torture in Cairo that was not made public.

                  All links in the article...

        •  You are right, of course ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... Powell does not deserve my sympathy - he is a grown man.  Still, there is a sadness to his story that I cannot put into words.

          Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

          by Terrapin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 09:11:01 AM PDT

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    •  It's inconceivable to me that (3+ / 0-)
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      Gooserock, fou, cactusgal

      any person of color would sign up w/ today's Republican party.  Sadly, opportunism is worth more then their souls.

    •  Powell was wrong and drank the kool aid, (2+ / 0-)
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      native, fou

      but at least  he is trying to make amends now.  More than we can say for Bush, Cheney, Rice, and for that matter McCain.

      "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

      by Going the Distance on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:42:11 PM PDT

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  •  I am a Vietnam veteran who served honorably (13+ / 0-)

    in  the USAF.

    Let me put it this way, I was never enamored of Senator McCain.  He is not what he presents.  His history as a pilot was disastrous.  He truly was a POW and he did survive.  I am therefore giving him the benefit of the doubt in some ways. But his behavior on the Senate Armed Services Committee during the repeal of DADT debate was scurrolous. deceitful and shameful.  He even read a letter signed by some retired officers stronly opposed to the change in policy on gays in the military - & - they were dead!

    •  I am also a Vietnam veteran who served with the (9+ / 0-)

      Infantry in the Mekong Delta. Thanks for pointing out some of the sorry performance of John McCain during the Vietnam War. I encourage all to do some checking up on McCain's
      actual record of crashing goverment planes and generally acting like an Admiral's privledged son before he became a
      POW. Ever wonder why he has fought every attempt to release his military records ?
      It is time to retire and be an aging millionaire John, instead of continuing to make foolish comments and continuing
      your  pattern of stupid behaviour. Sorry you were a POW and all you went through in Hanoi. Surviving that speaks for itself. However, it's time to hang it up.

    •  I have never served in the military and have no (4+ / 0-)
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      Zaq, CwV, NonnyO, tommyfocus2003

      right to comment on McCain's or any other veteran's service to our country.  But as a citizen of Arizona, USA, I have every right to comment on his service as a US Senator, and as a candidate for the highest office in our land, and in my opinion, he's been a miserable failure.

  •  Well, McCain is kind of right (12+ / 0-)

    Powell was one of the few people who could have stopped the Cheney-ites from pushing us into Iraq, but he jumped on the Iraq bandwagon.   It will go down as one of Powell's worst moments.

    "Speak out, judge fairly, and defend the rights of oppressed and needy people." Proverbs 31:9

    by zdefender on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:08:13 PM PDT

  •  McCain, Feck You! (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:08:33 PM PDT

  •  WOW, what a sorry sorry excuse (5+ / 0-)

    for a Senator.  

  •  Riding off into that douchy sunset (8+ / 0-)

    class act that he's never been.

  •  Had you said this in 2003,4,5,6 or 7 (9+ / 0-)

    you would have been accused of not "supporting the troops" and hounded out of office, Senator.

    The timing of your epiphany is how shall we say...coincidental?

    Four more years. Get used to it.

    Hillary Sent Me. OBAMA/BIDEN '12

    by HillaryIsMyHomegirl on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:09:49 PM PDT

  •  I love that pic. It's hilarious. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    TexMex, Chitown Kev, Gay CA Democrat
  •  This is excellent news for... Can't do it.. (2+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, JeffW

    My God, this man went 100% nuts,

    Is he done after his term?

    can he be??

  •  Obama looks so young in that picture. (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Gay CA Democrat, DSPS owl, RainyDay

    Being POTUS really ages a man. Wow.

    Extraigo el fruto de la Madre Tierra. - Cultura Profetica

    by boriquasi on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:11:24 PM PDT

  •  I haven't forgotten who sold the Iraq War (6+ / 0-)

    to the American public. I haven't forgotten.

    I still read the manifestos I had printed out from my college databases from the Bush years. The manifestos about mushroom clouds and all that.

    I still watch Fahrenheit 9/11 on occasion (love or hate Michael Moore) and I'm telling you, Mr. McCain, I will NEVER forget what you and your cronies did to this nation.

    It's not over, not in my mind. It's carrying over into today, just as Vietnam did.

    Just because it didn't happen yesterday, doesn't mean we've forgotten.

    And we won't forget, not even after you're long gone.

    Mr. McCain.

  •  Remember those old virtues that Americans (7+ / 0-)

    used to strive for:  honesty, integrity, trustworthiness, perseverance, etc.  Try to find any on the right now that Hagel, Lugar, Snowe, and Bennett are gone.  If McCain wanted to save himself from the grim glare of history he's get gone while he can still be taken seriously by middle school students.  He should follow his last vestige of competency out the door.

    Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

    by judyms9 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:11:46 PM PDT

  •  What?! We didn't have a coupon special?! (0+ / 0-)

    Blogs: http://mediadeconstruction.com/ Twitter: realsteveholt

    by steveholt on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:11:49 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm..... (2+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, Gooserock

    Wondering if election weekend tape release by bin Laden could turn it in Mitts favor ... oh, right!!

    Please proceed, Governor .....

    by TomK1960 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:12:35 PM PDT

  •  It might not mean much (5+ / 0-)

    but of all the members of the Bush admin involved in getting us into Iraq, Powell seems to be the most apologetic about it. I think he regrets that UN presentation. I'm not sure Rumsfeld, Rice, etc have any regrets or think they made any mistakes.

    •  Has he sent his regrets... (5+ / 0-)
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      native, downsouth, Zaq, RainyDay, NonnyO

      to the families of the over one million people killed in Iraq? To the three millions families displaced? to the millions left injured? To the entire population left emotionally scarred? To the children who couldn't go to school because their parents were afraid of bombs? To the gay men who were raped and killed because rule of law was suspended for years? To the people who went without clean water and electricity for years?

      Has he gone in front of the world and said he's sorry?

      Not that that would be enough for me to care about his judgment - nothing really would since he's shown how much it's worth. But being "apologetic" isn't the same thing as apologizing, something he has refused to do.

  •  Powell was a dupe, admittedly, but just a dupe (6+ / 0-)

    While I think Powell damn well should have known better about the horseshit he was being fed, I didn't see McCain spearheading any investigations into the manufactured "intelligence" used to lie us into a war of choice that cost a trillion bucks and hundreds of thousands of casualties.

    When did McCain come out against the Iraq war? What's that, never? WTF is his problem, then?

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:13:01 PM PDT

  •  Okay, the guy who co-authored (7+ / 0-)

    the AUMF, who said the war "will be brief," who had "no qualms about our strategic plans," who proclaimed from the well of the Senate, “when the people of Iraq are liberated, we will again have written another chapter in the glorious history of the United States of America”

    seems hardly the fellow to ask who got us into Iraq.

    We've been wondering how to get through the clutter and reach low-information voters. Mitt haz it.

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:13:09 PM PDT

  •  Iraq and Vietnam "fecklessness" (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

    are both part of Powell's resume.  Fecklessness being extremely mild language in both cases.

    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:13:36 PM PDT

  •  Testify, Mr. Sarah Palin... (2+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, NonnyO

    ..the same guy who crapped Sarah Palin onto us is now wagging the finger at others for perceived political inexpedience.

    Now off to your Sunday breast feeding sessions, Mr. Sarah Palin.

    "You just gotta keep on livin man! L-I-V-I-N!" - Wooderson

    by wyvern on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:14:04 PM PDT

  •  Forget Romney's 47% (6+ / 0-)

    If you want to talk about people who think they are victims, who think they are entitled, well, John McCain at this point is a professional victim living off of a past that he thinks entitles him to more attention than he deserves.

  •  Just so we're clear... (4+ / 0-)
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    Colin Powell does bear a great deal of responsibility for starting the Iraq War. He lied to the UN (and knew he was lying) in order to sell the war. The media bought his lies (since they love wars too!) and force-fed them to Americans so that enough people would hate Iraq that a war could be started.

    McCain bears some responsibility too. Lots of people do. Bush the most as well as Cheney, but Powell definitely makes the top 10 list. It takes a lot of chutzpah for McCain to blame Powell for Iraq, but that doesn't let Powell off the hook.

    Powell's assent in the military started with his help in covering up war crimes, and his career ended with him working to sell a monumentally violent foreign policy. The guy is not exactly a paradigm of morality.

  •  The only people who take this guy seriously are (2+ / 0-)
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    Positronicus, NonnyO

    the Sunday news show hosts. David Gregory can have him.

    Remember, you can't have crazy without az.

    by Desert Rose on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:19:28 PM PDT

  •  That is rich! (3+ / 0-)
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    Phil S 33, DSPS owl, NonnyO

    Yes, Colin Powell did get us into Iraq. Mr. McCain however was the one that voted for it and cheerled for it now he's against it?

  •  Somebody ought to tell this sellout old bastard (0+ / 0-)

    again that he lost the election.

    Barack Obama did in a meeting once. Remember?

    Oh, and did he finish the "dang fence?" You know, the one where all those former "God's children" were coming through.

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. Shakespeare, Henry V

    by Wildthumb on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:21:07 PM PDT

  •  this is seriously fecked up! (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA
  •  Rec'd for using 'dunderheads', Tweeted for (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

    content.

    Keep up the good work, Hunter!


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

    by Angie in WA State on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:25:05 PM PDT

  •  Senator McCain, how dare you question a General? (0+ / 0-)

    John, I regret that Nixon sent you through the gates of hell.  Wake up, this is 2012.  

  •  Senator McCain, it's your fault too (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

    You voted for the Iraq AUMF

    •  Thanks! (0+ / 0-)

      I was wondering if/when anyone was going to remember that.

      AUMF does not constitute a Congressional declaration of war, either, per the Constitution and treaties signed by the US (incorporated into the Constitution, as mandated by the Constitution).

      Only Congress can declare war against another country (as what happened in WWI & WWII; both of those were legal declarations of war -- Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan & Iraq, drone bombings in Pakistan and elsewhere, etc., while they are actions of war, are not legal or constitutional declarations of war, per the US Constitution or treaties incorporated into the Constitution, and most particularly Afghanistan was only an AUMF to go after a little criminal gang that had no affiliation with any country anywhere), and only Congress can authorize funds for a war.  Authorization to perform torture, and actually performing torture are forbidden by the Constitution, Bill of Rights, several treaties signed by the US and incorporated into our Constitution, and those who authorized that are as guilty of war crimes as are the people who actually did the torture, and as a prime participant in the Nuremberg Trials, "I was only following orders" is not a just defense for carrying out war crimes (aka The Nuremberg Defense; it's not a valid excuse not to be charged or convicted of war crimes).

      US Constitution
      Article I, Section 8
      [Very long list of Legislative duties and functions, among them:]
      To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

      To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

      To provide and maintain a Navy;

      To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

      To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

      To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

      No one in our military is "fighting and dying for our freedoms" in Afghanistan (or Iraq, or Pakistan or anywhere else).  They are fighting and dying so oil, MIC, and mercenary corporations can continue to have record-setting profits ever since Dumbya and Dickie declared their own little private war carried out with public armies paid for by US taxpayers.

      Meanwhile, our Congre$$ Critter$ gave up our rights - without our permission, and extended sunset clauses without our permission - when they passed the Patriot Act, MCA '06, FISA fiasco '08, (and MCA '09 under Obama, plus Dumbya created the unconstitutional 'office of faith-based initiatives' - even he wasn't stupid enough to try to get Congre$$ to make it official - and Obama increased funding for and expanded that office which is run out of the White House; Obama should have written a countermanding executive order to disband the office instead).  They've never officially repealed those laws, nor let the sunset clauses go into effect; Congress has extended all of them and added supplemental legislation.

      There's enough blame to go around in both political parties on the part of our Congre$$ Critter$.  They all have blood on their hands because they refused to stand up against the spoiled brat who threw temper tantrums because Commander Codpiece wanted to best his daddy and be a "war president" because "war presidents are remembered."

      I'm SO under-whelmed....

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 05:35:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Colonel Wilkerson - "my party is full of racists" (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Ishmaelbychoice, Phil S 33, Icicle68

    just now on Ed Show.

    He and Ed were discussing Sununu's comments re the Powell endorsement of the President.

  •  Get the hook (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, Ishmaelbychoice, NonnyO

    McCain's time on the stage is up.

    Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

    by RJDixon74135 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:33:48 PM PDT

  •  McCain should've of parroted Sununu's (0+ / 0-)

    reasoning.  It would've had more credibility then this. /snark

  •  McCain is fecking awesome, if you ask me n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:40:22 PM PDT

  •  Once again, Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    proove that nothing is as important to them as the Republican Party.

    Throwing Colin Powell under the bus, then just to be sure they slam it in reverse and back over him again.

    Real nice group those Republicans.

    "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

    by wxorknot on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:41:33 PM PDT

  •  Powell recognizes that he blew it. Still he has to (0+ / 0-)

    live with it----he continued to support Bush.

    That said---I'll take him any day over bitter loser-war hawk McCain

  •  Please revise your post (0+ / 0-)

    It is The John McCain, The George Bush, The Dick Cheney.

    Thank you

    GW

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:47:06 PM PDT

  •  If you have fecklessness lasting more than 4hrs .. (0+ / 0-)

    ... call your doctor.

    Grampa McCain ran a feckless campaign
    He's just an old scrutus, Obama's the POTUS
    He can blame it on Palin but his campaign was ailin' and failin'
    Now he calls Powell the n-word but McCain's just an old turd
    A maverick-y dickity dick

    Yeah that's a work in progress. Anyway ...

    Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it - Thomas Paine

    by ManOutOfTime on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:48:05 PM PDT

  •  Jesus Christ, these people... (0+ / 0-)

    When do Republicans stop blaming everything on the nearest black guy?

  •  Watch your back, Allen West. (0+ / 0-)

    "The pessimists may be right in the end but an optimist has a better time getting there" -- Samuel Clemons

    by native on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 06:36:34 PM PDT

  •  McCain is 100% Right! (3+ / 0-)
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    downsouth, DSPS owl, NonnyO

    “Colin Powell, interestingly enough, said that Obama got us out of Iraq,” McCain told the National Review. “But it was Colin Powell, with his testimony before the U.N. Security Council, that got us into Iraq.”

    Does anyone dispute this? McCain is disgusting, but Powell can go to hell. Sure it's fine he's supporting Obama, for political purposes, since it'll sway some non-thinking idiots for voting for Obama. But I completely lost respect for Powell when he testified for Bush to get us into Iraq. I'm a dipshit guy sitting in Iowa, and I knew Bush/Cheney were lying. But Powell didn't? He's either a moron or he's a liar. I'm sure it's the latter.

    And me? I'd rather have those American kids back who died in Iraq. And the innocent Iraqis who died. And I'd like not to have had more American kids wounded. All that is infinitely more important than Powell's Obama endorsement.

    I don't get why any Democrat shows any respect for Powell, politically. (Yes I respect his previous military career.) He's in that same category as Sandra Day O'Connor. They should both shut up and crawl in a hole. They both did horrible harm to this country.

  •  Strange. There was a time when I actually (0+ / 0-)

    thought that John McCain had a soul.

    My mistake.

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 06:42:45 PM PDT

  •  McCain surprising? (0+ / 0-)

    McCains comments aren't all that surprising.   After all, let's look at examples of his judgement.  Isn't he the guy that picked Palin for his running mate, thereafter making comments about her ignorance to his staff.  Even McCain's own staff couldn't stand her.  
    McCain VOTED for the Iraq war himself and now he wants to blame it on Powell?  I've always thought McCain was a goofball, a political opportunist, with no interest in the real lives of Americans.  He married a Budweiser heiress to a fortune and when asked, during the prior presidential campaign, he played dumb when asked how many houses they owned.  He said he didn't know.    

  •  Dear John (0+ / 0-)

    You voted for the Iraq War, and you defended it to the hilt.  Stand up and take a little responsibility for your own actions.
    Don't try to blame it on anyone else now.

  •  The pot calling the kettle black! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite

    Politifacts found this to be true: "Sen. McCain was already turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, and he became a leading supporter of an invasion and occupation of (Iraq)."

    See: http://bit.ly/...

  •  "the economy is fundamentally sound." (0+ / 0-)

    ummmm....   mccain needs to worry about his own legacy.  in the past two days, he's "worried" about colin powell's, hillary clinton's, and others' that i can't recall... each one of them, "risking" their reputations.  

    talk about a guy who keeps reaching new lows!!

    "Tuesday first, then onto progressivism." - Gooserock

    by jj24 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:24:07 PM PDT

  •  Bitter Old Man Syndrome (0+ / 0-)

    seems to be widespread issue for the Rethuglycants.

    I think John McCain and John Sununu are having a
    contest for the "Untimate AssClown" Award.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 06:22:35 AM PDT

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