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The poll below is meant only for those of you who SUPPORTED ELIMINATING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE after GORE'S LOSS in 2000...........

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My View on the ELECTORAL COLLEGE is:

43%90 votes
16%33 votes
13%27 votes
17%36 votes
9%20 votes

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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)

    Sadly, everything Communism said about itself was a lie. Even more sadly,, everything Communism said about Capitalism was the truth.

    by GayIthacan on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:11:00 PM PDT

  •  You can't really say where we'd be w/o the EC (16+ / 0-)

    in this cycle. Yes, it looks like we might possibly be on the verge of an Obama electoral victory that is not also a popular vote victory. But of course, this entire campaign has been conducted in the context of an Electoral College-based election. Both candidates would have had radically different strategies if they had to care about the vote in all 50 states.

    Who knows what the picture would look like if Obama had to fight for votes in the Deep South and Romney had to drive up what support he could here in the Northeast? What's important is that Obama is pursuing the right strategy to win the election he has to win.

    "Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis." -Ralph Waldo Emerson "YEAAAAAAARGH!" -Howard Dean

    by AtomikNY on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:17:20 PM PDT

  •  I don't see an answer I like. (0+ / 0-)

    When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

    by Bisbonian on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:18:11 PM PDT

  •  I was for it then... (5+ / 0-)

    I was for it before then...

    And even if the President is reelected by this insane system despite losing the popular vote I will still be for the elimination of the Electoral College.

    Though I will permit myself to feast deeply on the sweet, sweet irony of poetic justice and the rage of our Republican friends who argued so strongly for its retention in the wake of 2000.

    I think that it will take the oxen of both sides being gored before a meaningful movement to make the change gains steam.

    And if somewhere down the line it costs us an election we would have won, so be it.  It's a bad system, out of date, and has only lasted so long because cataclysmic events like 2000 have been few.

    That said, I don't expect that outcome this year.  I expect a 3 to 5 point Obama reelection, with a more decisive win in the Electoral vote, something in the 300+ range; the traditional electoral amplifier effect.

    "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

    by Notthemayor on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:39:58 PM PDT

  •  A pointless poll (0+ / 0-)

    since the 200 election was decided by the supreme court and election shenanigans.

    I refuse to accept your frame of the question.

    You could be listening to Netroots Radio. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

    by yuriwho on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:57:24 PM PDT

  •  The electoral college is a majority of majorities, (0+ / 0-)

    the popular vote is a crap shoot more subject to fraud in a close race.  If you get rid of the electoral college a minority of majorities could end up in control.

  •  The ad war (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder what a popular vote election would do to the ad war.  If you had to run ads in all 50 states, your money certainly wouldn't go as far.  

    Here in Florida, I can't watch a live TV show without seeing (literally) dozens of political ads.  I can't imagine that would happen absent the EC.

    Presumably some of that ad money would go toward setting up offices and traveling to the states that are completely out of play under the current system.

  •  I'll ask this question again, (1+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama

    since I never get an answer--

    For the anti-EC folks out there, who do you propose to have as the results-certifying body? Are you going to have 50 separate sets of laws governing who can vote, provisional ballots, etc? how do you propose to handle recounts in a national vote?

    •  There already are... (4+ / 0-)

      ...50 separate sets of laws, which is frankly insane.  There should be a federal body overseeing national elections anyway, even under the current system.  I can't think of any other major democracy that would remotely consider using a patchwork system like the USA's.

      Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

      by SLKRR on Tue Oct 30, 2012 at 04:39:07 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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        Notthemayor, ybruti, SLKRR

        One set of consistent federal rules.

        And if we can automatically register everyone, that's even better. It should simply be part of citizenship.

      •  Although now, we're electing a state official- (1+ / 0-)
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        that of elector. So, state laws at least make some sense.

        Frankly, I'd make two tweaks immediately. One would be to eliminate the office of elector. Keep the electoral vote, but eliminate the Electoral College. Make the votes happen automatically, based on whatever method the state uses for assigning their votes - winner take all, cong. district, plurality, majority (with or without instant runoff), etc. Thus, no more faithless elector.

        The other change that needs to happen is that either we must figure out a way to eliminate electoral ties, or our constitutional method for resolving electoral ties MUST be changed. One state, one vote in the house, with an almost-guaranteed party split between Pres and VP is insane. I'll confess, I don't have a solution here, though.

  •  Should have been eliminated BEFORE 2000 (1+ / 0-)
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    It's an antiquated system that doesn't even work as the founders intended anyways.  It should have been dumped long, long ago.

    That said, you don't win elections with the system you wish you had...

    Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

    by SLKRR on Tue Oct 30, 2012 at 04:32:32 AM PDT

  •  The EC is flawed, yes... (0+ / 0-)

    But it does give the weaker states a much stronger voice.  If we didn't have the EC now, Obama would have had an entirely different strategy to win, would have emphasized a national campaign, and would be doing better nationally.  There would be much more concentration of political energy to areas with large populations.  

    Much of my anger from 2000, is that the counting process itself was dishonest and political.


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