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I knew that despite actively supporting the Vietnam War, Mitt Romney had taken several deferments to avoid serving in it—including spending time in France as a missionary—but until watching the above video, I'd never seen this quote:
Mr. Romney, though, said that he sometimes had wished he were in Vietnam instead of France. “There were surely times on my mission when I was having a particularly difficult time accomplishing very little when I would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military,” he said in an interview, “but that was not to be.”
What an amazing quote. I mean, he had ample opportunity to serve if he wanted to. He took four deferments—that's four chances that he passed up—yet he said with a straight face that he "would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military." That's just pathological B.S. right there. What a fraud.

Note: The video has a typo in it, saying that Romney offered the quote in November 2012. It was actually November 2007.


Please help the president close strong so we can all forget about Mitt Romney next Wednesday.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:23 PM PDT.

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    •  My dad didn't have the option of deferments. (7+ / 0-)

      Poor Italian boys from Brooklyn just did what they had to do and served... In the military, not hanging out on beaches in France carving my mom's name in the sand.

      Corporations are driven by the bottom line, not by concerns for health, safety or the environment. This is why we need government regulations.

      by the dogs sockpuppet on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 05:18:13 PM PDT

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      •  Yup, bjd was a poor Italian-american kid from NJ. (3+ / 0-)

        He had no choice. He came back and used the GI Bill to go to college.

      •  Breath is Taken Away (8+ / 0-)


        Just, How?

        The one thing the far right - the Tea Party, the Religious Right - has always claimed is a moral purity.  I have never seen a group mount a moral high horse more than the far right of the Republican Party.

        And yet.

        And yet.  When it comes down to it, who is their nominee?

        A non-Christian.

        A draft dodger.

        A non-Christian draft dodger.

        Let them never preach to us again.

        Let them never again tell us about how they support the men and women in uniform.

        Let them never again tell us about their deep beliefs that America is a "Christian Nation."

        The Republican Party nominated a non-Christian draft dodger to lead them and they have the audacity to present him as

        the White Horse Prophesy.
         (Google it, if you don't understand the dog whistle.)

        I believe in God.  I think our nation was, indeed, blessed.  I fear we may have thrown away that blessing when George W. Bush and his neo-Cons took us on a war of choice, against a people who were no real threat to us.  Innocent, God-given lives were taken, so Bush and his minions could control oil in the region.

        We are on the right path.  Despite the GOP efforts to sink President Obama's administration, President Obama is leading us out of the Bush morass.  It has not been easy, and it is not done, yet.  But we're on the way.


        Never again.  Never again will I bite my tongue when a right winger attempts to talk down at me from a moral high horse.

        The GOP nominated

        a draft-dodging non-Christian.

        Demand Accountability.

        by stlawrence on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:20:45 PM PDT

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        •  I wouldn't call (5+ / 0-)

          Mormons 'non-Christian' as a whole. Mitt as an individual, yes; I question his Christianity. (IMO many Rs worship Mammon first and foremost, and Mitt is an excellent example of that.)

          (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

          by PJEvans on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:42:25 PM PDT

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          •  I'll side with stlawrence on this stance. (2+ / 0-)
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            Mormons claim to be Christians, but it's more of a snow job than anything else.  Partly because it fits into their training of "lying for the Lord," they will say anything to defend their church against outsiders.  So "saying" you're Christian if you're a Mormon is just another smokescreen to keep outsiders from knowing who they really are.

            I never led, I never followed, I never joined.

            by JaneEyrez on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:47:13 PM PDT

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          •  Sorry, You're Wrong (4+ / 0-)

            Mormons do not believe in the Holy Trinity.

            Mormons believe that Jesus Christ and Satan were both sired by a human god, who had intercourse with a woman, both presented plans for mankind, and Christ's plan was chosen.  They do not believe God is omnipotent and omniscient - in fact, in the Mormon cosmology, god (Elohim) had to ask how mankind was doing.

            Mormons believe god (Elohim) resides, as a man, on the planet/star/sun Kolob.  Mormons believe a good Mormon man will become a god in the afterlife, with his own planet to rule.  His wife, if she was an obedient Mormon wife, can be one of his wives on his planet in the afterlife.  There are three levels of godship to which a Mormon can aspire in the afterlife, and we can bet Mitt figures he's the top tier.

            Mormons do not believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

            I could go on, but suffice to say, the LDS theology does not support/match/subscribe to Christian theology.

            It's why the Catholic Church calls Mormonism a cult.  It's why Billy Graham, up until a couple of weeks ago removed the Mormon church from his list of cults.  (Get any large donations lately, Billy?)

            Just because the Mormon faith has the words "Jesus Christ" in their title does not make them Christian.

            I could be wrong here.  If a Mormon wants to correct me, then have at it and if I'm wrong, then I'll apologize.  But a basic study of the LDS church says otherwise.

            Demand Accountability.

            by stlawrence on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:56:37 PM PDT

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            •  But (2+ / 0-)
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              all that is not my point.

              My point is that Reverend Huckabee, on Fox News, spouts on and on about how America is a Christian nation.

              And now he supports a non-Christian, against an avowed Christian, as President?

              And on and on.  

              But let's be honest, here.  It's really because our President Obama is a black man, isn't it?  He may claim to be a Christian, but he's not "our kind of Christian," now, is he?

              The Christian Right's moral high horse has been shown, through their support of Romney, to be just a sham and a scam.

              Am I bitter much?

              Demand Accountability.

              by stlawrence on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:13:59 PM PDT

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            •  If they say theys Christian, theys is. (0+ / 0-)

              A myth is a myth.

          •  I don't care either way, but it is a little strang (0+ / 0-)

            But then I think that about most religions which doesn't mean I don't respect the beliefs of others. I do sometimes wish people would spend a little time learning to leave secular people alone.

            Romney openly called for discrimination against the secular, whether non-believers or not. Truth is some believers prefer to live a secular life. Why in the hell should anyone have to stand up and discuss what they believe and have these insane theological arguments that the Republicans do.

            As for the Christian or non-Christian, it's not people like us who  are making that judgement. Many fundamentalists and strict adherence to some rigid biblical belief consider them as non-christian and adherents of a worship that includes false prophet and a false god in their descriptions.

            Is Israel and environs the Holy Land or some part or all of the United States. That sends some Christians into fits. There are those who consider their version of biblical scholarship to represent the totality of revelation, to which no other prophets can be raised.

            Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I like Harry Reid fine and I don't give a damn for anything about Mitt Romney. Religion hasn't got a lot to do with it except for Mitts unctuous behavior.

        •  "The Horse's Ass Prophecy" (1+ / 0-)

          I ♥ President Barack Hussein Obama.
          Four more good years.

          by OleHippieChick on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:59:30 PM PDT

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        •  We've done detailed research. Read on down. (0+ / 0-)
    •  I joined the USAF in 1968. (4+ / 0-)

      I went through 1 1/2 years of training and then in early 1970 got the call that my orders were posted.

      Now being that I was in a Combat Crew Training squadron that had sent most everyone to SE Asia over the past 3 years, I was shocked to see I was being sent to Germany.

      I never once regretted the AF making this choice for me.

      Of course joining the service meant I never had to regret not serving.

    •  I got drafted (5+ / 0-)

      in '67, went to Nam, drove truck, smoked pot, and came home alive. and thankful. (forgot several words)

    •  Romney had a choice, chose voluntary missionary (4+ / 0-)
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      or get drafted. He could have ended his missionary work any time he wanted to. There is no compulsion for any Mormon to serve as a missionary and there is also no fixed time or age for the voluntary church service.

      Also while there is no standard length of missionary work, one or two years at most is considered more than enough. Older couples sometimes volunteer for longer periods of time, older as in retired without children at home.

      It was an easy out for him from the military. I don't take too much exception for those who did not support the war and wanted to avoid the draft (i was never really vulnerable). Some deferment were routine, i.e. initially they wouldn't and draft married men and then it became married men with children.

      But one thing is obvious and it's been demonstrated by statistical evidence. Some were willing to go. Some got drafted and went. The casualties disproportionately came from the poor, black and less well off. Many of the elitist chickenhawks favored sending other families to war and in the end, each evader like Romney contributed to the cost that some less wealthy person suffered through loss of a loved one. Screw Romney and the fancy horse he rode out on.

      And his boasting of the hardships in France compared to luxuries that every american has like running water, etc., he's an ignorant jackass. At the time he was in France, living most of the time in a mansion, millions upon millions of Americans had no running water, no toilets and only an outhouse. Today, it's still true in a larger part of the country anyone like Romney wants to believe.

  •  "That was not to be." (7+ / 0-)

    If his father had been a Mexican, getting sent to Vietnam would have been easier for him, too. Poor Mitt.

    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    by NMDad on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:28:35 PM PDT

  •  An amazing man: (18+ / 0-)

    He protests FOR the draft, and then avoids the draft by taking a special exemption  available only to Mormons to gallivant around France trying to convert Catholics and Protestants to Mormonism. That was his "mission," as his wife and other supporters call it. And that shows his "character."

  •  Keeps getting more pathetic (6+ / 0-)

    just when think he can't go any lower. Or lie any more.

  •  Y'know We Could Have Used His French Fluency (7+ / 0-)

    there. Just sayin'.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:34:50 PM PDT

    •  French Fluency (1+ / 0-)
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      You know, I thought that, too. I had a fresh minor in French, and it got me no where.....well, it was easier to read some of the maps, with French names for islands and some roads.  We flew out of Thailand for a while, and there were lots of German tourists there. I had better use of German, thanks to my German grossmutter. The Germans couldn't imagine why the hell we were in this war. Me, too.

  •  Damning video. Powerful. (5+ / 0-)

    It's hard to keep track of the powerful anti-Romney videos out there -- he gives us so much material.

    Every honest communication poses a risk that we will hear something that could challenge or change us. -- Kenneth Cloke

    by GreenMtnState on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:36:56 PM PDT

  •  "That was not to be" (12+ / 0-)

    "CURSE those stupid deferments...which I applied for."

    Hell, I got deferments during the Vietnam War too. But that was because I was a college student and was vehemently opposed to the war. Went to several huge demos in DC.

  •  Or course (12+ / 0-)

    it was God's will that Romney was in a beach in France, pretty sweet gig, instead of crouched in the jungle in Nam.

    Self-serving bullshit.

  •  Jim Webb introduces the President (18+ / 0-)
    It’s hard to figure out where Governor Romney really is on this.  We’re all familiar by now with his comments about the culture of dependency in our society, in which he claims nearly half of our people don’t pay taxes.  Included in that number, as far as I can tell, are people who paid payroll taxes, plus people who receive social security that they paid into for years, Medicare and veterans benefits.  They’re calling these people takers rather than givers.

    Let me say something about veterans’ benefits.  I grew up in the military.  My dad was a pilot who served in World War II and the Berlin Airlift, among other assignments.  I was a Marine.  My brother was a Marine.  My son was a Marine.  And I’ve worked on veterans issues my entire adult lifetime.

    Governor Romney and I are about the same age.  Like millions of others in our generation we came to adulthood facing the harsh realities of the Vietnam War.  2.7 million in our age group went to Vietnam, a war which eventually took the lives of 58,000 young Americans and cost another 300,000 wounded.  The Marine Corps lost 100,000 killed or wounded in that war.  During the year I was in Vietnam, 1969, our country lost twice as many dead as we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined over the past ten years of war.  1968 was worse.  1967 was about the same.  Not a day goes by when I do not think about the young Marines I was privileged to lead.  

    This was a time of conscription, where every American male was eligible to be drafted.  People made choices about how to deal with the draft, and about military service.  I have never envied or resented any of the choices that were made as long as they were done within the law.  But those among us who stepped forward to face the harsh unknowns and the lifelong changes that can come from combat did so with the belief that their service would be honored, and that our leaders would, in the words of President Abraham Lincoln, care for those who had borne the battle, and for their widows and their children.

    Those young Marines that I led have grown older now.  They’ve lived lives of courage, both in combat and after their return, where many of them were derided by their own peers for having served.  That was a long time ago.  They are not bitter.  They know what they did.  But in receiving veterans’ benefits, they are not takers.  They were givers, in the ultimate sense of that word.  There is a saying among war veterans:  “All gave some, some gave all.”  This is not a culture of dependency.  It is a part of a long tradition that gave this country its freedom and independence.  They paid, some with their lives, some through wounds and disabilities, some through their emotional scars, some through the lost opportunities and delayed entry into civilian careers which had already begun for many of their peers who did not serve.  

    And not only did they pay.  They will not say this, so I will say it for them.  They are owed, if nothing else, at least a mention, some word of thanks and respect, when a Presidential candidate who is their generational peer makes a speech accepting his party’s nomination to be Commander in Chief.  And they are owed much more than that – a guarantee that we will never betray the commitment that we made to them and to their loved ones.


    Proud Member of the Big Bird Wing of the Democratic Party.

    by noweasels on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:46:36 PM PDT

  •  He is a coward (7+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:49:30 PM PDT

  •  Mitt FRAUD-ney (2+ / 0-)
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    Since the word FRAUD is the most frequently-appearing word that enters my mind when I think of Romney, I had to stretch the laws of physics to come up with the hybrid in the subject line of this post.

    I apologize for any inconvenience.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:50:26 PM PDT

  •  As a Vietnam veteran, I have always... (24+ / 0-)

    ...held in contempt those who avoided service AND later expressed regret at "not having had the experience". What exactly do they think the experience was?

    Note that I have ZERO problem with those who avoided service because of moral issues, or simply feeling the war was wrong. Or even because they simply felt it was a waste and didn't want to go -- if they could avoid the draft, good luck to them. Provided that at the same time they didn't support other poor bastards going!  I REALLY despise someone who supported the war, didn't serve, and now expresses this mealy-mouthed desire that

    " I would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military.”
    You know what, shithead? There are about 58,000 names on a wall in D.C. who wish you had gone there too, instead of them!  But don't take my word for it -- there are still veterans in shattered bodies, blind, deaf, paralyzed, living in veteran's homes across America who you could talk to about what the experience was like, ASSHOLE!

    Sorry about the rant, this is one thing that really gets to me.

    A PALINDROME: Slip-up set in Utah. Trail, no? M. Romney -- odd! Elder an AMC man, a Red-led doyen. Mormon liar that unites pupils?

    by Obama Amabo on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:51:45 PM PDT

  •  Dodging the draft in the 60's is not despicable. (14+ / 0-)

    Most men I know and grew up with, dodged the draft if they could. However, they did not the go to rallies supporting the draft and the war.

    My own husband joined the marines when he was 17. Joined before he came out against the war and refused to go to Vietnam. He didn't pretend to be religious and he spent a year in solitary confinement and on diminished rations.

    Protesting the war or serving was the honorable thing to do. Both. Either.

    O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

    by Kevanlove on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 04:55:34 PM PDT

  •  Yep! (5+ / 0-)

    I've never seen someone be able to talk out of both sides of his mouth at once like this before.

    He's like a damned hydra, except without the personality.

  •  The real story here is only briefly noted in that (18+ / 0-)


    It's the fact that he protested in favor of the draft (against the students who were sitting in), and was photographed doing so, knowing full well he'd be on a missionary deferment in a few months.

    That illustrates a venality and callous disregard of others that he has repeatedly demonstrated to this day.

    He was willing to demonstrate in support of people being sent overseas to possibly be killed, in full awareness that he would not be sent.

  •  And who would have wanted to serve next to Mitt? (3+ / 0-)
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    I spent 1968 in Viet Nam and I'm certain Mitt would not have been an asset to any unit there.

    He had the opportunity at Stanford to enroll in ROTC and, of course, he neglected to file that application (although he didn't forget to file for his deferments, did he?)

    If he'd left France and made it through OCS, I'm guessing he would have been a candidate 40 years ago in  VN - a candidate for fragging, I mean.

    Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

    by Clem Yeobright on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 06:42:53 PM PDT

  •  I wouldn't be too cynical abt Mitt's musings -- a (0+ / 0-)

    kind of survivor's guilt was common among those of us who didn't choose to serve in the military during the Vietnam era, even if our choice was based on conscience.

    My own resistance to the war and the draft was sincere enough that I risked a significant prison sentence for it, being arrested twice for refusing induction.  I also worked in the anti-war movement for a couple of years for little or no pay and continued to do volunteer work until the end of the war after I had to take a "real" job.  But my best childhood buddy, much more like a brother than my much older actual sib, thought differently and did a tour in Vietnam as a lieutenant in logistics.  Despite the fact that HE explicitly trusted the sincerity of my motives and even the usefulness of my work, I never could shake feelings of regret and guilt that I wasn't sharing with him the terrible dangers he was going through.  I could only imagine -- and frequently did -- the survivor guilt that I would have felt if this guy hadn't made it back apparently unharmed.

       Despite being in the cohort with the highest rate of casualties in Vietnam (early Baby Boom), I didn't know closely anybody who was killed in Vietnam.  But when I've visited the Vietnam Memorial I've still gotten a much milder version of what I imagine I would have felt if my brother by a different mother had been killed over there.  I also got somewhat the same feeling when working with Vietnam vets during my internship at a VA.

    So I wouldn't automatically discount the sincerity of Mitt's expressions of regret at not going to Vietnam, even though the utility of what he did instead -- trying to convert Frenchman to an abstemious cult founded by a 19th century sociopathic if not psychotic con man -- strikes me personally as pretty questionable.

    •  I Would Not Hesitate To Be Cynical (1+ / 0-)
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      "Mitt's Musings" (TM) are, at the very least, self-serving BS. Around about that time, a lot of people were making difficult decisions.

      Here's the game for ordinary people --
      1) join up now and pick your Service branch,
      2) take your chances with the draft, try to ride it out,
      3) take student deferment(s) and hope the thing is over by the time you're out of school, knowing full well that if it's not over, you'll be at the top of the list when the deferments run out,
      4) find a way to get CO status,
      5) find a way to be married with a bunch of kids,
      6) head for Canada,
      7) be a minister or a missionary.

      I know people that did 1), 3), 4), 5), 6) followed by 4), and 7) followed by 1). I myself did 3) followed by 1), beating the draft by about two weeks. I was lucky and have always been grateful that my orders never included Vietnam (although I was asked one time if I wanted to volunteer.)

      If Mitt was feeling down in the dumps and guilty about not being in the service, he could have signed up at any time. Period. "Mitt's Musings" (TM) are an insult to all those who did serve in Vietnam, whether voluntarily or not.

      "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything even remotely true." -- H. Simpson

      by midnight lurker on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:15:44 PM PDT

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    •  I Left Out One Option (0+ / 0-)

      8) join the National Guard or Reserve.

      I know people who did that also (of better stature than GWB), but that path soon closed by virtue of the units being filled, so it wasn't a choice for most people.

      "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything even remotely true." -- H. Simpson

      by midnight lurker on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:23:09 PM PDT

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      •  Option 9 -take your boyfriend with you to sign up (0+ / 0-)

        Nixon ended the draft the year after I registered. I still have the draft card wtih that 1H status in big bold letters. i didn't have a boyfriend at the time and wouldn't have done that to avoid service. it was always an option on the questionairre though.

        What Fresh Hell is This? -- Dorothy Parker

        by chazz509 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 07:46:22 PM PDT

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  •  We can get into all kinds of discussions about (1+ / 0-)
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    who did what and why regarding Vietnam.  Staying focused on Romney, the salient fact is that he PROMOTED the war and then fled.  He is a coward.  His only purpose was to save his scrawney ass and he knows it somewhere in his heart of hearts...assuming it's not all hard-wired circuitry.

    I was there 65-66...artillery...and I feel confident that being in France was preferable to lying in a hole full of water and a sky full of flying hard thingies that hurt if they connect.

    For me, the scariest thing about Romney is his talk about diplomacy and negotiation being appeasement.  Once again, he seems willing to act tough as long as his skin isn't in it.

    I loathe him.  loathe.  

    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 07:36:37 PM PDT

    •  CHICKENHAWKISM -- The default position of so (3+ / 0-)

      many Shrub-administration & related righties -- Bush II (in contrast to his old man), Cheney, Wolfowitz, Romney, etc., etc., etc.   This is one thing that infuriated Republican vet Chuck Hagel to write an Op-Ed excoriating the Shrub's rush to war.  It's also part of what led Jim Webb to switch parties.  Also notice that one of the most politically courageous generals in recent history -- Shinshecki (sp?) -- to join the Obama Adminstration & to give PBO a far from pro forma endorsement at the convention.  Unlike the Chickenhawks, Shinshecki is in the Eisenhower tradition of feeling personal responsibility for the welfare of the men he led.  (A relative knows the general in one of his business connections and says that he seems totally sincere -- what you see in public is not even as heartfelt as what you get privately, and this relative is no friend of Dems.)

      But then imperialistic rulers seldom have had much concern for their cannon-fodder and plutocratic classes seldom participate in the military defense of their wealth & power -- e.g., one reason for Rome's military decline is that its armies under the Empire contained fewer and fewer Utalians, much less Romans, as time went on.

      Of course, another major reason for Rome's decline was summarized most succinctly by Will Durante: "Wealth mounted, but it did not spread."

      The Founding Fathers certainly chose prophetically when they named the upper house of the national legislature, "The Senate."

      •  Though Bush II did serve in the ANG. (0+ / 0-)

        Not much, but he did do something, and didn't hide out. Once again proving that there are worse people than Bush II.(a scary thought in itself

        •  Actually, Bush DID hide out in a couple of senses. (3+ / 0-)

          First, he apparently disappeared during a large part of his active service -- to work in his father's political operation.  So taxpayers were paying the Shrub to do campaign work for his father.  Pretty nice "duty."

          But the more basic sense in which he "hid out" was that the type of reserve slot that he got was widely recognized at the time as what you did if you didn't want to risk going to Vietnam but you also didn't want to risk being called a "draft dodger" in some public career in the future. -- see Slick Willy and, now, right here right now, Mittens.  It was the prime option for middle- and upper-class Chickenhawks or for people so morally indifferent that their only ethical reaction to the war was a determination to keep from risking themselves in any way whatsoever.  There was an incredible demand for those slots.* If you don't think Daddy Bush used his influence to get the Shrub that spot, then you must also still believe in the tooth fairy.

          *I know how great the  demand was because I was a full-time draft & military counselor at the time -- for you youngsters out there that was essentially a law advisor without a license, usually sponsored by one of the peace church service committes, WRL, FOR, etc., who provided  information to mostly poor & working-class draft-aged men, draftees, & enlisted men.

  •  Has anybody got the images from... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Romney 'protesting the protest' of the Vietnam War?

    Saw it on the PBS ....'Who Are the Candidates' ...or something like that (not sure of the title)...but it was just.......

    can't even explain it....but clearly demonstrative of what an authoritarian tool Willard was in the 60's.

    draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

    by quinn on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:06:17 PM PDT

    •  Granted, I was too you for VN, but when (0+ / 0-)

      I had to register for the draft, I filed as a conscientious objector.

      I have NO PROBLEM with refusing to fight a was you don't agree with.

      Mitt, however, took the easy way out and then proceeded to protest FOR the way....

      That is simply beyond the pale, and, I might  add, made Mitt look like the 'un-coolest' guy of that decade.

      draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

      by quinn on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:12:58 PM PDT

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  •  Mayhaps he can retire there (2+ / 0-)
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    Come Wednesday.


  •  "Was not to be" (4+ / 0-)

    Rmoneyspeak for too much of a chickenshit coward to enlist.

    Liar. Leaker. Loser.

    A society is judged by how well it cares for those in the dawn of life, the children. By how well it cares for those in the twilight of life, the elderly. And, by how well it cares for those on the edge of life; the poor, the sick, and the disabled.

    by BobBlueMass on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:08:02 PM PDT

  •  Reminds Me Of That Video Of Young Republicans (4+ / 0-)

    At one of their little dressup events babbling about how they would each be in the thick of it in Iraq and Afghanistan if it wasn't for those doggone knee injuries. Every FUCKING one of them started rubbing their knees when asked why they supported the war but weren't in the military.

    All of these smug little jerks look alike to me – from Ralph Reed to Eric Cantor to Jeb Hensarling to Rand Paul and now to Ryan, they all look like overgrown kids who got nipple-twisted in the halls in high school..Matt Taibbi.

    by Ky DEM on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:09:25 PM PDT

  •  Mitt was injured by a land-mime in France (7+ / 0-)

    He was trying to help him out of his invisible box. It was heck on Earth.

    (romney)/RYAN 2012 - My fellow Americans - as a boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But now I say, we must move forward; not backward. Upward; not forward. And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards Freedom!

    by Fordmandalay on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:10:15 PM PDT

  •  He said 'he would have longed', not 'he longed'. (2+ / 0-)

    He didn't long, but had he been somebody else, he would have.

    Obama - POTUS quondam, POTUS futurus The Once and Future President

    by French Imp on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:10:34 PM PDT

  •  Rude French waiters > the Viet Cong (1+ / 0-)
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    Mitt Romney treats people like things. And he treats things - corporations - like people.

    by richardak on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:10:52 PM PDT

  •  A##hole! (2+ / 0-)
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    The only members of our ruling class who still claim to have been in support of our war in Vietnam are those who took active steps to avoid serving there.

    "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

    by irate on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:13:08 PM PDT

  •  Green Beret (3+ / 0-)

    My significant other was a Green Beret back then and says that in addition to being a liar that he is the classic example of a "chicken hawk ". After all he still could have joined after the 4th deferment.

    Just one more example of him lying except this time you know someone died while he was having difficult times trying to convert Catholics on the beach in France, for God's sake.

  •  I wasn't going (5+ / 0-)

    I graduated high school in 1968.  I got a college deferment and when those ended with the lottery in 1970 my number was high enough I wasn't going to be drafted.

    If called up, I wasn't going.

    I was against that war as soon as I figured what it was about.  I was a freshman at Northwestern in the fall of 1968 and met people who had had their heads bashed on Michigan Avenue in front of the Hilton Hotel.  I was the big rally against the war in DC in 1969.

    Most of my high school friends went to college, so they didn't go, but I know of one person in my class who died in Vietnam.  He was not going to college.

    My brother, who will be voting for Romney, was divorced just before his 26th birthday and was drafted.  He was in the supply corps in Vietnam.  He is now suffering from Parkinson's, and because of the Obama Administration, that is recognized as a disability from his service in Vietnam.  

    I despise people like Romney and George II who were for the war but decided they weren't going.

    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.

    by MoDem on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:15:01 PM PDT

  •  now mitt sez: vote for the love of country (2+ / 0-)
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    as if he thinks he's a great example of "loving this country".

  •  Willard is beyond weeeerd, with an overzealous (2+ / 0-)

    view of his importance..To put it mildly

    "Round up the usual suspects"

    by NanaoKnows on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:15:47 PM PDT

  •  High Functioning Sociopath (4+ / 0-)

    Has the empathy of a preying mantis.

    Has spent his life imitating what human beings do (which is why he creeps out non-white supremacists).

    You know how something tugs at your mind and you can't figure it out and then when you do it is so obvious that you don't see how you missed it before?

    Mitt Romney is a high functioning sociopath. Classic case.

    I'm not going to go into a point-by-point with something like Robert Hare's checklist, but I'm very sure of this and I'm not just being pejorative. 

    You can confirm it for yourself just by googling "Romney functioning sociopath", or better yet check out how he handles babies (It's at the bottom):


    •  "but it was not meant to be" (1+ / 0-)
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      Wow.  That's a narcissist for you.  In his grandiose idiolect, his path in life is predestined, as if by god.  

      It reminds me of when W announced his candidacy for president on the 700 Club.  He said "I think I'm supposed to run for president."

  •  How to have the opportunity... (2+ / 0-)
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    I've denied a lot of 'opportunities" in my life for a lot of reasons... to schools, jobs, promotions and even social events. But somehow there was never any barriers to opportunities to serve in the military.

    I joined the U.S. Navy in 1964 for 4 years, right out of High School. As I recall there wasn't any barriers to opportunity for me or my fellow sailors. All you had to do is walk in and sign on the dotted line. They were so eager to provide you with the "opportunity" to don the uniform that they were taking folks who were barely literate and/or one step ahead of the sheriff. (In those days it wasn't unusual for a Judge to tell an accused miscreant that his opportunity was either the military or jail.)

    More to the point, you didn't even have to go to the recruiting station, they were sending letters to all and sundry explaining how much Uncle Sam wanted you, and if you didn't want to go how a jail cell was the alternative (for those non-deferral candidates).

    I don't fault the Governor for not going, a lot of folks didn't. And lord knows there were more than a few days/nights when I wished I hadn't. But if he wanted to go, the services would have been overjoyed to have him.

    No one denied him the "opportunity". So his comment doesn't mean much to me, except it fits in with his well established in-authenticity.

  •  thats a typical (3+ / 0-)

    chickenhawk talking point, war is so romantic and heroic when looking at it in the rear view mirror but not so inviting at the time as the enlistment record of the chichawks shows, they show bravado and courage when sending other peoples children to die but can't bring themselves to help defend america with their own flesh and blood.

  •  Willard Don't Surf (4+ / 0-)

    and you know that it ain't no good....

    Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:17:45 PM PDT

  •  It's not about using any means possible to (4+ / 0-)

    avoid Vietnam.

    I would've done the same.

    However, to get out of it on a technicality and then proceed to 'protest' FOR the war is just unconscionable.

    draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

    by quinn on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:19:56 PM PDT

  •  My father served both his country and his church. (9+ / 0-)

    He went to Germany for his Mormon mission and then went to Vietnam after. Growing up in the church, I knew men who served in the military first and then went on their missions. Romney's actions his whole life, however, speak to a man that does everything in his power to enjoy the benefits of a free society but engage in none of the responsibility toward fellow citizens that comes with it. Whether it's making boatloads of money through his associations here but then hiding it offshore so it can't be turned around and lent to other US companies, profiting off of the US's ample credit supplies via leveraging his buyout targets with debt, but not caring about the employees as those companies inevitably get dismantled, avoiding to the best of his ability to pay income tax of any sort, and events like this stretching well into his past show a man whose only allegiance is to the dollar, not to the country that prints it.

  •  Vietnam Veteran Brother (8+ / 0-)

    Mike volunteered and served two tours of duty in Vietnam. It destroyed him. Romney made sure he was safe from harm. He supported the war even though others lost their lives sometimes many years later. He is totally unfit to be Commander-in-Chief.

    "A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world." Oscar Wilde

    by michelewln on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:20:28 PM PDT

  •  Mitt Romney - Preppy Protester (2+ / 0-)
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    Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft

    *Teenage Romney takes unpopular stance in favour of south-east Asian war
    * But his status as 'Mormon missionary' exempted him from the draft
    * Future GOP presidential candidate dressed in smart, preppy clothes
    * Romney's father George was the Governor of Michigan at the time


    Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

    by Jeff Y on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:20:59 PM PDT

  •  Like his Chickenhawk "Neocon War Cabinet"... (2+ / 0-)

    Romney likes war.

    He just thinks other people, and other people's children, should fight and die in the wars he supported and the ones he wants to start, if he gets anywhere near the Presidency.

  •  Syntax Tells All. He WOULD HAVE LONGED to serve (2+ / 0-)
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    but that longing was not to be.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:23:25 PM PDT

  •  no VC ever called him a draft dodger (2+ / 0-)
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    What an amazing quote. I mean, he had ample opportunity to serve if he wanted to. He took four deferments—that's four chances that he passed up—yet he said with a straight face that he "would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military." That's just pathological B.S. right there. What a fraud.

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:26:39 PM PDT

  •  Romney is a special and unique character (1+ / 0-)
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    who needs pity and forgiveness. He's a sociopath who seems genuinely incapable of speaking the truth. His lies are so egregious that no one should be shocked by them anymore; they're just a part of who he is. He says and does whatever it takes to get what he wants, giving no consideration at all to the negative consequences for others. He's mean-spirited, manipulative, selfish, greedy, dishonest, and completely unethical---the type of dude who will steal your last from you (even though he already has more than enough for himself) and then convince you that you must have lost it somewhere. And yet, I'm sure he sleeps very well at night.  I just don't understand how anyone in their right mind could really want to vote for this dude. I seriously don't get that.

    I shouldn't, but I feel sorry for him because he has the morals of a wild animal and no shame at all. I can just imagine the desperation and anxiety he's feeling right now...the poor little rich boy who so badly wants to be president. What will he do next week after he loses yet AGAIN?

  •  i enlisted in the usmc (5+ / 0-)

    in 1963, was sent to vn in 1967, i was fortunate to come home unscathed except for the scar it left on my conscience because of the things we did to the vietnamese in the name of freedom, i haven't supported a conflict since, we are the modern day sparta.
     i wouldn't urinate on romney or any of the chickenhawks if they were on fire, they are the scum of the earth imho.

  •  You have outdone yourself with this video. Sums it (3+ / 0-)
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    up perfectly. Let's make it go viral.

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:32:24 PM PDT

    •  Yes veterans and their families and active duty (0+ / 0-)

      and their family should see this.

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      by wishingwell on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:03:56 PM PDT

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    •  Make it go viral, INDEED!!! (0+ / 0-)

      I am the co-creator of this video, and I can't thank Jed enough for putting it up on Kos and promoting it.

      And to the Kos readers for watching it and sharing it.

      Please share this everywhere you can.

      Thanks to Kos, I came home from canvassing to suddenly find the video over 6,000 views. I woke up the next morning to discover we had broken 10,000 views!

      Thank you all so much! Keep pushing it. Romney is a disgrace, and the idea of him as Commander-in-Chief is a disgusting joke.

  •  Do you suppose (1+ / 0-)
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    side pocket

    It ever occurred to him how 'out of touch' that photo would make him look in years to come? Particularly as he was also protesting FOR the war.

  •  Romney giving the Mormon "brand" a bad name (0+ / 0-)

    Romney is becoming synonymous with lying and bullsh*t;  unbridled, unlimited greed; self-interest; help the powerful and screw the weak; and tax cheating.  He is doing genuine damage to the Mormon "brand" and reputation.  I wonder if the LDS church will undertake some actions after the election to counter the bad smells Romney has left.

  •  As I have said before, I would not have wanted (4+ / 0-)

    to be in any unit with the privlleged son. Would he have died
    To save is brother in combat ? I don't think he would have.
    Those were things that are meant for the sons of other folks
    to do. Not those of privilege.

    Saying, "It was not meant to be." is just another one of his lies. Fuck him .

    Time to stop....

    Combat veteran
    Mekong Delta

  •  Other missed opportunities that Mitt regrets... (0+ / 0-)

    Joining the Crusades, that one where I could have killed OBL's great (x9) grandfather.

    The attack on the Death Star. In this one the Farse is strong.

    Being Joseph Smith, and then me, now.

    The Inqusition. Threatening Jews with LDS baptism.

    Denying PBO's dad his student visa. Need I say more?

    Never saying, 47%. Ever.

    Spending the last 6 years in the Caymens with 50 Zillion of my closest friends.

    Actually being taken seriously...

    Rmoney, the mayonnaise of modern politics; rich white pasty goo in a transparent container.

    by Sam Sara on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:38:32 PM PDT

  •  The Fortunate Son (2+ / 0-)

    Mitt supported the war in Vietnam, and protested against those who didn't. He then uses his father's considerable influence to avoid be sent to the front...four times. Divine intervention no doubt.

    Mitt loves you Ann.

    The Republican Party has been taken over by the corporatists and christian fundamentalists. The corporatists will force you into poverty, and the christian fundamentalists will force you to live under biblical law; daily gruel and scripture for all.

    by glb3 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:40:23 PM PDT

  •  OT - Republican drops out of race.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Yikes.  Anyone know if this is true?


    by keeplaughing on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:45:56 PM PDT

  •  This clip implies that France (3+ / 0-)

    was a cushy and carefree place to tool around on a bike in the 1960s, sort of a Breathless subtext.  Which is effective.
    But I've always thought the greater irony is Mitt avoiding Vietnam by visiting that country's former colonizer.

  •  Vietnam and 1970 (0+ / 0-)

    My brother and two of his friends finished high school in 1970. One of his friends went to the Coast Guard Academy. Another refused induction and got two years in prison. My brother got CO status - and his communications with his draft board were registered-return-receipt-requested. (He's still a CO. In ornamental and environmental horticulture.)

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:50:41 PM PDT

  •  loopholes (2+ / 0-)
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    and after copping out Mitt went on to take every loophole he could find (unlike his dad) to avoid paying one penny more than what he could get away with. It bothers me that he never felt any gratitude or obligation to his country where he would think of kicking in a little more for all that blood shed by others.

  •  from your (2+ / 0-)
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    ..lips keyboard to.. we can all forget about Mitt Romney next Wednesday.

    Perhaps one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 01:54:48 PM PDT

  •  Romney in France (0+ / 0-)

    I think we should leave this portrayal of Romney alone. For god sakes the right will start talking about Obama dealing and snorting cocaine!  And what about that buggering he reportedly took in the limosine! Our guy was just a community organizer! I'd say lets shrink back in the shadows as Dear Leader gets his ASS handed to him on election day!Q Can you feel it? Can you FEEL IT??

  •  This man is a pathological liar (1+ / 0-)
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    Remember when we said that Dubya made Reagan look smart and Nixon look honest?

    This guy makes Reagan look like a wise leader and he makes Nixon look like a liberal Democrat whose greatest shortcoming is his honesty and transparency.

  •  "would have longed for the chance" (1+ / 0-)
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    First off, I begrudge no one who did not take part in the Viet Nam conflict. But it does frost me when some folks feel compelled to tell me how it was I was there and they weren't.  So, I'm disappointed in Romney, not for his absence from the ranks, but for his decision to utter such a crappy excuse. Even he must know, down deep, that it doesn't pass the sniff test. I'm insulted that he must believe we think he is believable. I do think that the national bullshit detector, which will be powered on on Nov. 6, just may prove me right.

  •  I'm still appalled by how conservatives... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...attacked John Kerry over his service in '04, yet again and again conservatives' champions and chosen ones all seem to have such disdain for those who serve.

  •  The (1+ / 0-)
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    Still, I don't fault anyone for staying out of that war, or any war. Did Romney do it with conviction, or principle? Hell no. But I can't get that upset about it.

    Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth. - Lucy Parsons

    by cruz on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:03:11 PM PDT

  •  I looked at that picture and I thought (2+ / 0-)
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    it was too perfect. I don't think he even made it himself. Looks more like a professional did the heart and the writing. What do you think?

  •  He has multiple quotes from 2007, right? (1+ / 0-)
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    Romney made a whole series of comments trying to rewrite Vietnam. The guy is the biggest liar on the planet.

  •  The comment's worse than that Jed (3+ / 0-)
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    There were surely times on my mission when I was having a particularly difficult time accomplishing very little when I would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military...
    What he's saying here is that we should almost sympathize with ROMNEY, because, gosh, there were times when he was having such a hard time gettin people on the Mormon bandwagon that he'd rather be fighting in Vietnam.

    •  He's the victim here, dammit. With regrets! (1+ / 0-)
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      See, he wasn't making any dough on the Mormon mission. Would that he'd grifted his way through Viet Nam without fighting and he'd have come out way ahead, doshwise.

      I ♥ President Barack Hussein Obama.
      Four more good years.

      by OleHippieChick on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:58:05 PM PDT

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  •  Nice work Jed, as always. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "May truth and love triumph over lies and hatred." Vaclav Havel

    by Guadalupe59 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:35:52 PM PDT

  •  A little late for this; it's a distraction (0+ / 0-)

    This is a diversion from the main argument at this point, and the fact Romney chose not to serve in time of war makes him no different from most of his brethren -- and the hypocrisy never seems to bother the electorate at large. The President also chose not to enlist so I don't think this is a winning argument to make three days before the election.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:58:04 PM PDT

  •  OOOOOOO... Clever ... clever (1+ / 0-)
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    He did not say he longed for the chance.

    He said: "when I would have longed" ...

    Would have ... if ...

    That nasty subjunctive ... gets him off the hook every time.

    In a room where people unanimously maintain a conspiracy of silence, one word of truth sounds like a pistol shot." ~ Czeslaw Milosz

    by Caneel on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:00:24 PM PDT

  •  the bishop never had what it (0+ / 0-)

    takes to be successful at any type of martial endeavour. He would've been broken very early in training.The bishop is cowardly, his pathological lying is symptomatic.
    See the way he wilted and jabbered pathetically, when the late Teddy Kenndy "gave it" to him in that debate for senator. The bishop, to quote the disgraced guvernator, is a GIRLY-MAN.

    The teflon candidate, bishop willard mitch romney.

    by longtimelurker on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:08:33 PM PDT

  •  My take (0+ / 0-)

    This just shows Willard was as good a wordsmith back then as he is now. He probably thought that line through before writing it – so he could convince his own conscience that it was not a lie.

    “There were surely times on my mission when I was having a particularly difficult time accomplishing very little when I would have longed for the chance to be serving in the military,”

    My “human” interpretation…

    “There were surely times on my mission when I was having a particularly difficult time, feeling guilty for not fighting for my country with my peers, and wondering why I never longed for the chance to be serving in the military,”

  •  Okay then. Mittens is a liar and an opportunist (1+ / 0-)
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    especially when using the military as a mask for his own patriotism.  There was no way he was going to serve this country.

    That kind of life was too hard for him.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:57:45 PM PDT

  •  Hey Mittens (2+ / 0-)
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    I think my Dad had to take your place in Vietnam.

    I was born November 1968.  Two months later, he was shipped out.


    Fuck you.

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 04:24:57 PM PDT

  •  I am showing this to the teenage boys today. (0+ / 0-)

    I turned the boy the day he turned 13 and noted that, "Today you are fair game to kill in battle.  You are subject to being stolen for combat.  You are considered an enemy combatant and can be disappeared, lined up against a wall with your friends and shot."
    In Fallujah, I would have been one of those moms separated from and leaving her behind her baby when fleeing the city.
    The death squads rounding up the men of the villages in Central America would have killed my child with my husband, father and brothers.

  •  Liar, Killer, "One Mighty and Strong." (1+ / 0-)
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    Liar is obvious.

    Killer has to do with horrible bad driving:

    Mitt Romney's Driving Killed Leola Anderson. His Cover-Up Tale is Proved Dishonest

    We identified and tracked down Bishop Jean Vilnet, the other driver in that wreck.

    Romney's story has his name "Albert Marie." The bishop's full name goes Jean-Felix-Albert-Marie Vilnet. He is 90 years old and lives in St.-Die-de-Vosges.

    Romney also said that the crash took place on a curvy mountain road. He said the other driver was "drunk priest," apparently on sacramental wine prior to driving two women home after Sunday Mass.

    "One Mighty and Strong" is Mitt's choice for nickname. Joseph Smith's term for the Mormon Messiah, from 1832, an found in Discourses and Covenants. The overall fantasy is presented in the White Horse Prophecy:

    "White Horse Prophecy" and The Revelation of St. John the Divine, Chapter 6

    Smith was an inept amateur at theology. He read Chapter 6 of The Revelation backward -- making the First Rider, the conqueror, a hero.

    There is one conqueror in The Revelation. That is the final Anti-Christ. For Christians, anyway.

    Romney is as much a faker, a fraud as Smith.

    Smith was convicted for it.

    •  And, Bontemps2012 (1+ / 0-)
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      My money says that Romney has been stiffing the church on his tithe, hence his absolute refusal to release his complete tax returns.

      The LDS church will take a lot from a guy with Romney's family credentials, but they will not accept his cheating them on the tithe.

      But it's Mitt.  He'll pay his way out of it, and I say within a couple of years he will be on the Quorum of the Twelve.  Give it some time, and Romney will be President of the Quorum Mitt Romney.

      Demand Accountability.

      by stlawrence on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 05:36:15 PM PDT

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  •  My dad served in Vietnam (0+ / 0-)

    And he didn't come home, so this jerk Romney could ride his bike in the south of France.

  •  Check out my gangnam style election guide (0+ / 0-)
  •  Another version of this photo has surfaced (0+ / 0-)

  •  Pathological Liar (1+ / 0-)
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    Mitt Romney is a pathological liar all the way since childhood.

    He thoroughly believes that when Jesus comes back to Earth, Jesus will kill every Jew in Israel.  That is simply his religious belief.

    No wonder Mormons are considered a cult.  Their beliefs are wacko and non-Christian.

    Mitt Romney is the epitomy of evil.

  •  Stuck inside of France w/the Vietnam Blues again (0+ / 0-)

    He makes me want to wretch.

    "Life is short, but long enough to get what's coming to you." --John Alton

    by Palafox on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 07:28:21 PM PDT

  •  So, let me get this straight... (0+ / 0-)

    Bradly Manning has been held without trial for over 500 days because he exposed war crimes committed by the US Army, but this treasonous piece of shit Romney is not only not dancing at the end of the rope, he's getting Secret Service protection while he runs for president?  No wonder our contry is completely broken.

    Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

    by rhonan on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 08:39:47 PM PDT

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