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Romney cuts to Medicaid will impact seniors' nursing home care.
If Mitt Romney carries the always hotly contested state of Florida, his smokescreen about a mythical Obama "raid on Medicare" will have a lot to do with it. A new Kaiser survey shows the Republican ticket has narrowed President Obama's edge on Medicare from 16 to just five points over the last month. As TPM explained, "Neutralizing the president's Medicare advantage is a remarkable feat given Romney's support for Paul Ryan's unpopular plan to convert the program into a voucher system."

A remarkable feat, indeed. And not just because the voucher program remains wildly unpopular. As the Congressional Budget Office and a recent Kaiser Family Foundation study confirmed, the Romney-Ryan plan to "voucherize and privatize" Medicare will invariably lead to much higher health care costs for future recipients. But today's elderly voters will feel a double sting under President Romney as well. After all, his pledge to "kill Obamacare dead" will erase hard-won drug benefits and health services those over 65 have gained under the Affordable Care Act. And as it turns out, Romney's proposal to slash Medicaid spending by more than a third over the next decade and give what remains as block grants to the states could jeopardize nursing home care for millions of American seniors.

(Continue reading below the fold.)

That's the word from the Kaiser analysis, which examined the impact if a Romney-Ryan style voucher plan was implemented today. (Note that Romney's premium support proposal only applies to future Medicare beneficiaries, those now 55 or younger.) As Sarah Kliff of the Washington Post explained:

What Kaiser did was pretty simple. Its researchers modeled what would happen if seniors received a set amount from the government to pay for their Medicare benefits. That check would be equal to second-lowest bid from a private, Medicare Advantage plan. That's the same benchmark used in the Ryan Budget, Romney-Ryan proposal and the Domenici-Rivlin proposal.

That was step one. Step two was looking at whether that check would cover the cost of providing Medicare benefits under the traditional or private plans, in a given area. For 59 percent of seniors, it wouldn't: 25 million seniors would pay more for their current benefits if the government enacted this premium support model right now.

But that figure understates how the pain of Romney's Medicare gambit would be felt geographically.

While nationwide 27 percent of seniors would face monthly premium increases of $100 or more, in high-cost states like Connecticut, Florida, Massachusetts and New Jersey the figure tops 90 percent (see map above).

If the Kaiser study helped answer how many American seniors would pay more for health insurance under Romney and Ryan, the Congressional Budget Office explained how much.

In the spring of 2011, 235 House Republicans and 40 GOP senators voted for the Paul Ryan budget and its plan to completely replace Medicare with an under-funded voucher for each senior to purchase private insurance. The CBO calculated just how under-funded; by 2030, the Ryan's budget would dramatically shift health care costs to seniors, leaving each on average with 68 percent of the tab and an extra $6,500 in annual premiums.

Those horrible numbers led to Ryancare 2.0. The 2012 version of his Medicare overhaul maintained traditional Medicare as a "public option" in the new Ryan budget blessed by 98 percent of Congressional Republicans. While it did not earn the vote of Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden, it did earn the backing of Mitt Romney. Romney didn't just merely proclaim in his 59-point, 162-page "Believe in America" manifesto that "the plan put forward by Congressman Paul Ryan makes important strides in the right direction" after having declared he would have signed the 2011 version if it crossed his desk. This August, Romney announced their plans are "close to identical." A quick glance at his website confirms that judgment:

"Traditional" fee-for-service Medicare will be offered by the government as an insurance plan, meaning that seniors can purchase that form of coverage if they prefer it; however, if it costs the government more to provide that service than it costs private plans to offer their versions, then the premiums charged by the government will have to be higher and seniors will have to pay the difference to enroll in the traditional Medicare option."

Nevertheless, the Congressional Budget Office (see chart above) this spring similarly concluded the newer Ryan plan endorsed by candidate Romney will still result in significant cost shifting to seniors. Looking at the CBO's March 2012 assessment of the new House GOP budget, Think Progress explained why version 2.0 of Ryan's voucher program was little better than the first:

Beginning in 2023, the guaranteed Medicare benefit would be transformed into a government-financed "premium support" system. Seniors currently under the age of 55 could use their government contribution to purchase insurance from an exchange of private plans or--unlike Ryan's original budget--traditional fee-for-service Medicare...

But the budget does not take sufficient precautions to prevent insurers from cherry-picking the healthiest beneficiaries from traditional Medicare and leaving sicker applicants to the government. As a result, traditional Medicare costs could skyrocket, forcing even more seniors out of the government program. The budget also adopts a per capita cost cap of GDP growth plus 0.5 percent, without specifying how it would enforce it. This makes it likely that the cap would limit the government contribution provided to beneficiaries and since the proposed growth rate is much slower than the projected growth in health care costs, CBO estimates that new beneficiaries could pay up to $2,200 more by 2030 and up to $8,000 more by 2050. Finally, the budget would also raise Medicare's age of eligibility to 67.

But it's not just the next generation of American elderly who will feel the sting of the Romney-Ryan reforms. During the first presidential debate, Romney denied he is "proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees." That simply is not true. His call to repeal Obamacare would take away free preventative care now part of Medicare, including cancer screenings, mammograms and other services received by 18 million Americans in the first seven months of 2012 alone. Even more costly to our parents and grandparents, Romney would reopen the "donut hole" in the Medicare prescription drug program. That change alone saved 5.4 million seniors over $4.1 billion last year.)

But the Republicans' attack on today's elderly doesn't end there. The Romney-Ryan ticket has proposed slashing Medicaid by a third over the next decade and turning over the reduced funds to the states in the form of block grants. Combined with the repeal of Obamacare, Romney's gutting of Medicaid would add an estimated 44 million to the ranks of the uninsured, leaving a total of 72 million Americans without coverage. But the Romney-Ryan plan to savage Medicaid won't just impact the poor and working Americans. Those steep reduction threaten the 6 million elderly recipients of Medicaid, a program will which pays for 33 percent of all nursing home care.

As it turns out, what we know for sure about Mitt Romney's assault on senior citizens may pale compared to what we don't. Romney, after all, has promised to magically offset $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2 trillion in new defense spending over the next decade by closing as yet unnamed tax credits, deductions and deductions. But among Uncle Sam's $1.1 trillion in annual tax expenditures are a host of tax breaks for the elderly. That figure is forecast to hit almost $1.4 trillion by 2015. While the home mortgage and health expense deductions top that list, untaxed Social Security benefits will reach $44 billion annually in three years. And that's just one example. Mitt Romney has called for raising the retirement age to 67 for those now 55 and under. (In his 2008 campaign, Romney supported President Bush's proposal to privatize the retiree pension system.)

Which tax breaks Romney will end remains a mystery. But as he has repeatedly made clear, current and future elderly—and everyone else—will have to wait until after Nov. 6 to find out just how badly Romney will stick it to them.

Originally posted to Jon Perr on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 12:13 PM PDT.

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  •  Yep Medicaid: Assisted Living and Nursing Care. (1+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert

    Cut that and middle class families who are trying to put kids through college are going to have formerly-Medicaid grandma come home to live.

    Diaper time again.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 12:27:35 PM PDT

    •  Without Medicaid, my father would have been (0+ / 0-)

      sent home to die.  It was the only way my family could have afforded good nursing home care.

    •  Assisted living (5+ / 0-)

      is not and never has been covered by Medicare or Medicaid.  Have looked into it for my Mom.  Any care or therapy services are extra.

      Sunlight is the best disinfectant

      by historys mysteries on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:15:48 PM PDT

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      •  Nursing Home Costs (6+ / 0-)

        Assisted Living is NOT covered.  You are correct.  I have investigated all options for my 80 year old Dad who has early stage Alzheimer's Disease and has lived alone for years.  Assisted Living didn't do enough and Nursing Home too much. So, my sister and I are living with him.  It is very difficult but we are trying to save the money for when he really needs it.  His life savings won't last long though.  When he has to go into a Nursing Home it is about $9-10,000 per month in cost for a Locked Ward.  

        I think he is lucky if he can stay there a year without Medicaid being needed.  We are counting on Medicaid for him when his life savings run out.  If not, we don't know what to do.  I wish Florida seniors would realize what the R-R plan would do for their safety net care...basically, not too much.

        I voted today for Obama and sure hope he wins.  Or else, my whole existence will be impacted...I want my Dad to have good support and care in his old age.  Tough to know what we would do if his mind is totally gone and we have to keep him safe every moment.  The reality of this illness is not easy and it is about to become an epidemic.  

      •  The truth is more interesting... (1+ / 0-)
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        Please, don't mislead on something so important, even for convenient gain in a political argument.  People read stuff like this and give up.  It is true that mere custodial care is not covered, but all sorts of skilled nursing facilities and related services may be.  That is not the end of the story.  

        http://www.medicare.com/...

        •  It is important to know rehab skilled care may be (1+ / 0-)
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          Covered after hospitalization but you may have to fight for it.  Nurses were hugely helpful explaining to my mom how to qualify after a fall.  

        •  Some of us are not (1+ / 0-)
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          giving up, but I think it is fair to ask the question of President Obama if he is re-elected if he and the dems will protect us.  If he and the Dems will honestly protect social security and Medicare when the debt crisis comes up in the house at the end of December.  I know a lot of people who no matter what can't afford to pay $6,500 more per year whether itis the Republicans or the Democracts that privatize programs.  People are scared and trust is not what it use to be.  

          I was listening to Thom Hartmann yesterdsay, "lunch with Senator Bernie Sanders," and there is concern that the Republicans will shut government down and I really want to know how President Obama will address this.  I think it is a fair question to ask.  The problem is I'm voting for President Obama, but it would really hurt to be sold out during the fiscal crisis coming in December.  

          I want to believe that President Obama will protect the people, but has he addressed this question and I missed it, if so please let me know.

          "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

          by zaka1 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 04:15:39 PM PDT

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          •  The Great Betrayal (1+ / 0-)
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            Real News Network:

            BLACK: Yes. The president came into office talking about the possibility of this grand bargain—more than the possibility; this desire reach it. And then he tried to reach it in budget discussions with the Republicans. They refused.

            He just a few days ago went and met with the editorial board of The Des Moines Register, the leading newspaper out in that portion of Iowa, and he had a discussion off the record, and emphasized that because it was off the record he could be more blunt, and said that his first course of business, and one that he believed he could get done very quickly should he be reelected, would be to strike a grand bargain. And he described the grand bargain, and there would be $2 in budget cuts for every dollar in increased taxes.

            So this grand bargain is: we will weight this much more heavily towards killing social programs, or at least cutting them back significantly and raising taxes on the rich.

            Now, that's got most of the attention from progressives, but note two other things that he was saying. One, he's talking about austerity. He's talking about following exactly the kind of model that Europe has followed that put them gratuitously back into recession, and indeed into a Great Depression. And as we're doing this interview, it has just come out that European unemployment reached a new high in September, which is the latest month that they had data for. So this has cost millions of Europeans their jobs, and it's Great Depression levels of unemployment in Spain and Greece, and growing in many other nations. So this is insane to follow this strategy.

            But, of course, one of the things that's happened during this election cycle is that Bill Clinton has been restored to glory within at least Democratic Party ranks as the great person who produced the balanced budget, and indeed budget surpluses. And they want to run politically on these things. And so they've essentially adopted Romney's critique that the deficits are immoral and that they're a burden on our children and our grandchildren, and that the way to help our children and grandchildren is to unemploy their parents and throw millions of additional children and grandchildren into poverty.

            After the election, the gloves will come off...
  •  The Democratic Party has written off seniors (0+ / 1-)
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    And count on Republicans to figure this out.  I mean with Klobuchar telling the StarTrib voter guide that she is OK with raising eligibility age???!!! With all the BS Catfoodcrats and Grand Bargain why worry about Republicans!!!

    •  You deserve this HR (1+ / 0-)
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      for trolling this diary about the RMoney-Ryan plan about voucherizing Medicare with more of the 'they're all the same' angst and woe. As for Senator Klobuchar, she does not define the Democratic plan for health care reform like Romney and Ryan do for Republicans, although she did vote for the Affordable Care Act.

      "Governor Romney doesn't have a five-point plan, he has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules." -- President Obama

      by tytalus on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 01:39:21 PM PDT

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      •  If the Democrat on my ballot tells the local (0+ / 0-)

        Newspaper that she is swell with raising eligibility age and you want to HR me for truth telling that just emphasizes my larger point about where the party really is on senior issues.

        •  Oh and if you are not eligible you get nothing (0+ / 0-)

          No Medicare.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zip.  Zero.  So you tell me how much health insurance costs for a 65 year old with no Medicare?!

        •  ...and you're still wrong (0+ / 0-)

          because the one senator does not represent the position or legislation of the entire Democratic party, as I said above. You seem to have nothing at all to counter that reality. You keep telling yourself that BS you're spewing looks like 'truth' and not fertilizer.

          "Governor Romney doesn't have a five-point plan, he has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules." -- President Obama

          by tytalus on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 02:57:25 PM PDT

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        •  greenbell overstated, but the election is soon (3+ / 0-)

          beyond us and we should indeed call out the Republicans as was done so well in this diary.  And of course, we should work very hard to get out the

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          At the same time there are some leaders in our own Dem Party that would put austerity on our elderly citizens in the name of some "Grand Bargain" and we should gear up asap and begin next week to insure this does not happen:

          Bernie Sanders and Richard Trumka

          Sanders pointed out that despite popular opposition to cutting entitlement programs, the discussion inside the beltway has reflected a dramatically different tone. He describes it as, "'Yes, let's lower the tax rates for the wealthiest people in this country, the largest corporations, and let's cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.'" The tone of the debate, he says, "is way out of touch with where the American people are."

          Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO and a Sanders ally, expressed a similar concern in a Politico op-ed Tuesday night. "The grand bargain crowd says we have to cut benefits to lower the deficit," Trumka wrote. "Do you think the American people really want to cut benefits for Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare in exchange for lowering the top tax rate for the richest Americans? I don't think so."

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          by divineorder on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:43:35 PM PDT

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      •  thank you (1+ / 0-)
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        tytalus

        "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

        by Sybil Liberty on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 01:59:08 PM PDT

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    •  FYI (1+ / 0-)
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      tytalus

      my first 5 years as a medicare recipient, I barely used it beyond routine check-ups, but still, my monthly premiums for my Medicare supplement cost me considerably more than monthly hmo premiums cost me before I qualified as a Medicare recipient.... also too, a large chunk of my SS check is still withheld for basic Medicare. It costs me less under ACA, but it still costs me a lot.

      My point being that some seniors might actually be glad to pay the lesser premium for a few years while they're still fit. For many seniors, it might actually be worth considering an optional age to begin Medicare benefits just as it is to begin collecting SS benefits.

      There is no point in even having the conversation however, with naysayers like you around.

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 02:04:13 PM PDT

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  •  My Medicare benefits have improved considerably (1+ / 0-)
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    tytalus

    since my HMO implemented Obama's ACA Medicare provisions. Lower premiums, lower co-pays, free preventive services, better, more efficient care.

    I live in one of those bright orange states on Kaiser's map where it could cost me 47% more for the same plan under Romney/Ryan's voucher program?

    Romney for president over my dead body...literally.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 01:28:04 PM PDT

    •  What I can't figure out.... (4+ / 0-)

      is what Romney is saying that is helping him win back support from seniors.

      I suppose part of it is that many of them are Republicans and find it hard to support Obama anyway for whatever reason, but it seems so clear the risks they face if Romney wins and yet they still support him.

      Maybe it is the bland assurance that "nothing will happen to you if you are over 55, but many seniors are smart enough to know that their children and grand children would be hammered by the Romney plan....or are they.

      Is there any data which shows what is working for Romney in convincing seniors that Medicare "voucherization" isn't a reason to vote against him?

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:39:46 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know a single senior who supports (2+ / 0-)
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        Romney/Ryan. Most seniors I know, or speak with here in CA, find it insulting that R/R and their advocates seem to feel that we recipients don't care about future generations (well beyond our own children and grands) and only care that, "hey, we've got ours..."  So no, I can't explain it either.

        If I could send a personal message, in particular to randian-ryan regarding his voucher program, it would be: "wrong again, dogface."

        "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

        by Sybil Liberty on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:09:36 PM PDT

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      •  blurring the difference with the $716 billion lie (2+ / 0-)
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        OleHippieChick, Womantrust

        It's been debunked but he will keep using it til polls close on election day because he found it worked, just like the lie about welfare no longer requiring the recipient to seek a return to employment.

      •  It works for Romney (1+ / 0-)
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        because Democrats are totally unwilling to articulate their own position or to clearly defend the current system.

  •  call the Ryan plan what it is!! - (0+ / 0-)

    When Sarah the Evil Witch of the north came up with Death Panels the repugnant creamed their jeans. What a simple solution to all these fucking old people. Invest in mourners, buy up casket companies, funeral parlors. Get to the head of the line grow rich as the Jazzy gang go off meds.
    Someone should check out the Romney boys next business vultures. I am deadly serious.

    A danger foreseen is half avoided.

    by ncheyenne on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 01:38:59 PM PDT

  •  Killing yourself by voting against... (4+ / 0-)

    your own self interest. That's what elderly people would be doing by falling for Romney/Ryan's lies.

    Mitt Romney treats people like things. And he treats things - corporations - like people.

    by richardak on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:10:29 PM PDT

  •  Remarkable, my ass (5+ / 0-)

    No fool like an old fool.  Governor Rick Scott.  What else do you need to know about how easy it is to hoodwink Florida geezers?  

    I add: I'm 61 and in full geezerhood.

    But come on, Floridians: get a fucking clue.

  •  Would NOT Will (5+ / 0-)

    you are using the wrong verb tense throughout this diary. Fortunately all of these awful things are conditional on Romney's election and that WILL not happen

  •  half the country (11+ / 0-)

    is woefully misinformed about Romney/Ryan's medicare plan and they are woefully misinformed about what Obama has done for medicare. This is particularly true with older people who for the most part have fallen for the lie that Obama took billions out of medicare. It's a nefarious lie that is told by the right wing and not challenged by the media.

    You would think the mainstream media would look at how misinformed a large part of the country is about this and take some responsibility. Lets not sugarcoat it. It is CNN,NBC,ABC, CBS's fault that the public is not more informed. I don't include FOX here because FOX is not a news organization. They are a political operation.

    This is what passes off for news on CNN:

    "Republicans say the Obama administration has taken $716 billion of of medicare"

    A real news organization would say that this is not true and explain why it is not true. If news organizations did this we would have less people misinformed in this country.

    •  But it is true - the ACA takes $716 billion out (0+ / 0-)

      of Medicare and shifts it to cover more subsidies for insurance coverage of younger people.  But it doesn't decrease Medicare benefits or coverage - in fact, the ACA is very clever about how the money switch was made.

      The trick to making the switch work is making sure the law is not picked apart piece by piece.  As soon as congress decides to roll back one part of the plan, the money won't work anymore, which eventually will be the reason for the plan's demise.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 07:33:29 PM PDT

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      •  the $716 billion (1+ / 0-)
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        is projected savings in waste and fraud over 10 yearrs + lower payments to hospitals for medicare patients. The second part works because hospitals won't have to shift the cost of the uninsured on to medicare and insured patients.

        Now, how hard would it be for the media to say that?

        •  The job of the media is no longer to educate (0+ / 0-)

          voters on the policy positions of candidates.  They redefined their mission as one of keeping alive the messages of "both sides do it" and reporting nothing that could possibly be construed as partisan.  Voter education or explanation by media has long since been killed off for the sake of profit.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 10:08:40 AM PST

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  •  Not gonna happen. Mitt's going back to Bain. (3+ / 0-)

    End of Story

  •  How is Romney going to (1+ / 0-)
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    disassemble Medicare and Medicaid when he is in retirement? This is it for him, it's over. No more Romneymania, no more Romnesia, no more Ann "We've shown you people enough" Romney. It's over (until Tagg decides to carry on the Romney family tradition by running a losing campaign for president).

  •  sad really (3+ / 0-)
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    Elderly will be hit hard by Romney's Medicare, Medicaid plans
    If Mitt Romney carries the always hotly contested state of Florida, his smokescreen about mythical Obama "raid on Medicare" will have a lot to with it.
    your reasoning  illustrates why the group hardest hit by con artists are elderly folk. These older americans are creatures of habit, and unless they have trustworthy truth-tellers around to help with the facts, they are susceptible to deception.

    The teflon candidate, bishop willard mitch romney.

    by longtimelurker on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:53:53 PM PDT

  •  inspirational diary, thank you Father Jon Perr n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Tricare Rates are tied to Medicare rates (1+ / 0-)
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    If Romney slashes those, military members and their dependents will also be hard hit.

    Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science. Robert Green Ingersoll

    by offred on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:14:24 PM PDT

  •  Doesn't say much for Obama, does it? (0+ / 0-)

    If can't capitalize on this glaring weakness of the Romney/Ryan campaign, with seniors no less, it's a pretty good demonstration of what a pathetic campaign Obama is running, don't you think?

    Eli Stephens
    Left I on the News
    "Stand Up, Fight Back!"

    by elishastephens on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 03:16:59 PM PDT

  •  Just as important to our kids and grandkids. (0+ / 0-)
  •  OpenVistA system and Veterans Health System (0+ / 0-)

    do these chronic care patients for far less than private systems.

    -- No false referrals

    -- No profit motive

    -- Full medical records to there is no over prescription of drugs

    The VA does clinics and hospitals. Move 100% of Medicare and Medicaid to Community Health Care facilities, plus converting to a consolidated Federal health system.

    Save $400-billion a year.

    B-I-L-L-I-O-N.

    And get better outcomes, better patient acceptances.

    •  You're preaching to the choir here. (1+ / 0-)
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      It's the politics loose in the land that's keeping the U.S. from implementing a rational and economical health care system.  A LOT of corporate money is at stake.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 07:54:07 PM PDT

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  •  Check out my gangnam style election guide (0+ / 0-)

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