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Anti-choicers might not trust Romney, but they know this guy is one of them.
Mitt Romney has spent a lot of time trying to figure out the right things to say about reproductive rights. He has held every position imaginable:
  • He has vowed to support Roe v. Wade in part because of losing a beloved relative to an illegal abortion;
  • as governor, he supported and opposed emergency contraception;
  • his health care reform in Massachusetts covers abortion;
  • he said he would "absolutely" sign a constitutional amendment defining life as beginning at conception, thereby banning abortion, birth control and in vitro fertilization;
  • he has claimed to support rape and life-of-the-mother exceptions;
  • he supported a Senate bill to allow employers to deny birth control access to employees;
  • he has said women, not their employers, should make their own decisions about using contraception;
  • he has threatened to "get rid of" Planned Parenthood;
  • he has insisted he has no legislative agenda to restrict abortion;
  • his campaign has said he does.

Do you know where Romney stands on reproductive rights? No. Of course not. No one does. Opponents of reproductive rights have said he's not really one of them; they've also said they've been promised by his campaign that he is; they've also said they'd rather not talk about it at all.

But in the final days of the election, keep in mind this message from the fervent anti-choice movement:

Picking Paul Ryan as his running mate "was the very first indicator of what kind of administration Romney is looking to put together, and he chose someone very committed to our issue," [...] A President Romney could not only pick a Supreme Court justice who would be the fifth vote to overturn Roe; he could also have a quick and forceful impact, [Americans United for Life President] Yoest pointed out, by choosing staunch abortion opponents for positions like attorney general, surgeon general and secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. "As Reagan used to say, personnel is policy[.]"
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Paul Ryan is a true blue, die hard anti-woman activist in the House. He has co-sponsored and voted for bills to redefine rape, to define life as beginning at fertilization, to force women to carry their pregnancies to term even if it kills them. He's the legislative soulmate of Todd Akin—the same Akin broadly denounced by most of the Republican Party, including the Romney campaign, for espousing the very same radical beliefs Ryan holds.

For the anti-woman movement in this country, that's the best assurance they have that even if Romney himself can't be trusted, a Vice President Ryan will protect and pursue their interests—through the legislation the Romney campaign has promised is part of their legislative agenda, the appointment of judicial activists who will overturn long-settled law, and of course putting anti-science ideologues in charge of important government agencies like the Department of Health and Human Services.

This is what the anti-choicers are counting on. And that is why we must not only stop Romney and Ryan, but we must stop the Republicans in Congress from continuing their War on Women.

Please donate to each of our Daily Kos-endorsed women candidates for the House and Senate, so we can send more, better women to Congress to fight back against the Republicans' War on Women.

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 08:55 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos, Abortion, and Pro Choice.

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  •  Let's set our alarms to-rape-thing-o'clock (5+ / 0-)

    And get out early to work for reproductive rights and against Ryan and Romney.

  •  Thank you for (12+ / 0-)

    labeling them ANTI-CHOICE rather than accepting their inaccurate framing that they are pro-life.  In this issue framing is critical -- everyone is against abortion and for life.  The issue is CHOICE.  Letting them frame the issue as life versus abortion is one reason we have lost ground on this issue in the last decade.

    •  They are only pro sexy life. Any other life is on (5+ / 0-)

      their own.  


      A life with a heart beat in need of bone marrow has no right to bone marrow.  Bone marrow donation cannot be forced.  Bone marrow need does not involve sex.  So there is no right to anything.  Sexy life is used as punishment for sex and has no other use, as it quickly becomes non-sexy life and trash.

      I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

      by 88kathy on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:04:04 AM PDT

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  •  Something people should know (9+ / 0-)

    I just had two of my sisters (in two different states) report that people are in their neighborhoods, offering to return their absentee (or vote by mail) ballots.

    How widespread is this?? And isn't it fraud??

    "We have only the moral ground we actually inhabit, not the moral ground we claim." - It Really Is That Important

    by Diogenes2008 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 08:59:57 AM PDT

  •  he would (1+ / 0-)
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    Constitutional amendments don't require a Presidential signature. Has Romney actually read the US Constitution?

    "Mistress of the Topaz" is now available in paperback! Link here:

    by Kimball Cross on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:00:56 AM PDT

  •  Romney's favorite Senate Candidate in Indiana is (6+ / 0-)

    helping shift the Senate Seat in US Congress from (R) to (D).  Mourdock is such a dunce I can't even figure out why all the fuss about rapeand pregnancy  being "the will of God. "  His latest remarks are:"Get over it."

  •  It's nonsense that Mitt has no beliefs. (13+ / 0-)

    Obviously one of his beliefs is that lying is okay whenever expedient.  But, he obviously believes very strongly that abortion is always wrong, that women belong in the home, that white males should always be in charge, and that making money is sacred.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:03:35 AM PDT

    •  Money is the only fun allowed to Mormons (4+ / 0-)

      unless you count church lemonade socials as fun

      •  You don't get 8 kids by never getting off ... (0+ / 0-)

        just sayin'.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:31:12 AM PDT

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        •  My grandma and one aunt (2+ / 0-)
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          lgmcp, Tennessee Dave

          are religious zealots.

          My grandma had 6 kids and my aunt has had 2.  Both believe that orgasms are a "liberal lie".

          My aunt has stated numerous times that she only had sex a few times in her 30 yr marriage of separate beds in order to have her two children.  

          Just sayin' :)

          "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

          by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:54:25 AM PDT

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          •  Gosh, I never discussed orgasms (1+ / 0-)
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            Damnit Janet

            with my either of my grandmothers.    I wonder how those conversations would have gone?  

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:59:00 AM PDT

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            •  I never did :) (2+ / 0-)
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              lgmcp, Tennessee Dave

              Hell, they never discussed anything about "ladies parts".

              In fact my Mom told me how my Grandma refused to even talk to her about her first menstrual cycle.  My Mom cried for days along, thinking she had some kind of cancer.  She was given some rags and told to go clean up and never talk about it again.


              But this topic was brought up during my Mom's slow death to cancer recently.  My family was talking up all the liberal lies.  And my aunt mentioned the "orgasm is a liberal lie". To which I asked for more info.  And she mentioned that Grandma and her only had sex as an act to have children.  No orgasms ever.  It was all just a lie.

              I just couldn't believe it.  And I feel so sorry for both of them.  To them sex was just a chore.  

              "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

              by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:05:32 AM PDT

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        •  After 8 kids, it's probably like throwing a hotdog (2+ / 0-)
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          Damnit Janet, lgmcp

          down a hallway. Not as much fun any more I'd imagine.

          "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

          by yg17 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:12:38 AM PDT

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  •  I used to call them, "pro-slavers," but (2+ / 0-)
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    Damnit Janet, Tennessee Dave

    anti-choicers is nice.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:04:21 AM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan has also made it very clear (6+ / 0-)

    that he wants to end Medicare and Social Security as we know them.

    Paul Ryan is, at best, a 1920's conservative. More likely 1880's.

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:04:29 AM PDT

  •  Hello, I'm Paul Ryan (6+ / 0-)

    and I approve this rape.

    Hello, I'm Paul Ryan and I approve your daughter being withheld medication for ovarian cysts.

    Hello, I'm Paul Ryan and I do not approve your vagina.

    Hello, I'm Paul Ryan and I do approve protecting the rights of rapists, serial child molesters and predators.

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:05:46 AM PDT

  •  On another topic - RASMUSSEN CALLS IT A TIE (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, it's that time of the election when Rasmussen starts changing his numbers so he can at least look somewhat professional on election night.  

    Keep in mind that he had Romney up by 6 only a week ago.  Now that's a huge waive or it's just plain fraud on Rasmussen's part - probably a little of each.

  •  Paul Ryan as President (5+ / 0-)

    Can you imagine that?

    That alone should disqualify Romney/Ryan.

  •  Picking Herr Ryan as his runningmate was (2+ / 0-)
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    Damnit Janet, merrywidow

    equivalent to Mitt swallowing an electoral Morning After pill.  And thankfully, it is working quite well.  

  •  That's like me saying I have to eat Squid (0+ / 0-)

    because my husband or boyfriend does.  It's not going to happen!

  •  There was just a diary about a YouTube video that (4+ / 0-)

    was just uploaded earlier this week, from 2007's campaign, where Rmoney was asked off-air at a radio station about how can people be certain how he'd act in office and he proudly declared he vetoed every piece of legislation passed in Massachusetts that did anything to allow for abortions.  He really was animated in his defense and he said to check the record.

    Most of his vetoes were overridden, but that's what he'd want to do in the Presidency and his vetoes wouldn't be overridden there, should they even be necessary.

  •  Paul Ryan will fight rebel vaginas. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    Vita Brevis, tardis10

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:13:42 AM PDT

  •  I sometimes wish I could grow my uterus (5+ / 0-)

    back just to tell these yahoos to keep their hands off of it. I'll content myself to doing everything in my power to make sure the keep their hands off of other women's uteruses ( uterii?)

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book. @PortiaMcGonagal on Twitter

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:13:52 AM PDT

  •  Magical Mitt-catch him on the FLIP! (0+ / 0-)

    "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

    by lyvwyr101 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:14:45 AM PDT

  •  It likely doesn't matter (0+ / 0-)

    what his core beliefs are (if any), and if we suspect that he might secretly have a moderate view on abortion.  All he has to do is replace a moderate or liberal on the Supreme Court with a conservative -- which he almost certainly will do if elected -- and the rest will take care of itself.  

    He doesn't need to be an anti-abortion crusader or activist with a legislative scheme at the ready.  As soon as there is any further rightward tilt of the SCOTUS, the anti-abortion movement will bring a case.  And once the court opens the door, crusaders in Congress and in state houses around the country will finish the process.

    Please proceed, Governor.

    by vivadissent on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:18:15 AM PDT

  •  Why don't they just go full on crazy (2+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, DSPS owl

    and admit that they would like to go back to the days where they just cut off parts of our bodies, brand us, label our clothing, where they burned us at the stake, where they punished us for the sins of our husband or attacker.  

    They have said everything else but what I actually believe they feel...

    That rape isn't punishment enough for us women and children.  

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:18:32 AM PDT

  •  This issue is all about the SCOTUS (4+ / 0-)

    Forget the nonsense about a constitutional amendment.  That's not going to pass Congress and would never be ratified by the states even if it did.

    It's all about whether Romney is there to appoint a fifth anti-choice justice to the SCOTUS.  

    Justice Anthony Kennedy, a conservative Republican but also one of the co-authors of the Casey opinion that affirmed Roe, is 76 years old.  Because Kennedy is a conservative Republican and nearing 80, he would likely retire during the next presidential term if Romney wins.  

    Kennedy would be replaced by an anti-choice justice, and there would then be five votes on the Court to overturn Roe and Casey and to permit states to outlaw and criminalize all abortions.

    If President Obama wins on Tuesday, Kennedy won't retire.  Justice Ginsburg and Justice Breyer might retire during a second Obama term and be replaced by younger moderate/liberal judges, securing their seats on the court for another generation.

    That's what our votes mean in this presidential election.

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    by MJB on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:19:25 AM PDT

  •  What Mitt says as opposed to what he does (1+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl

    I agree with you that it is difficult to determine what Mitt's stance is on abortion based on what he says.  But I think we all know exactly what it REALLY is if we look at what he does and who he is.  Read this article if you are not sure if Mitt is anti-choice:

    Read this one to get a glimpse into the Mormon philosophy on women:  Pay particular attention to the last paragraph.

  •  We know his views, women do what men say (4+ / 0-)
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    Damnit Janet, momtoza, tardis10, DSPS owl

    that is his world view and he will work against all choice issues of all kinds for women if he gets the chance.

    the other views over the years are lies the church allowed him to say to win

  •  A little holiday muzak for Ryan lovers (0+ / 0-)

    I'm dreaming of a white rapist
    Just like the one Ryan protects

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:24:11 AM PDT

  •  I will relish their hopes being crushed (1+ / 0-)
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    Damnit Janet

    next Tues!

    Ruh-Romentum - 2012

    by kitebro on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:26:48 AM PDT

  •  I am (0+ / 0-)

    Pro-life, not anti-choice.

    I think it's very disrespectful to label my position as anything but pro-life.

    I don't expect my comments to dissuade you from doing so, I just felt like pointing this out.

    It's like if I wanted to label pro-choice adherents anti-life.

    Really? Does that seem to help foster civil debate?

    I don't think so, but perhaps pro-choice folks would be more mindful of what they call people if people started labeling them anti-life.

    •  Let's just call you a forced birther. OK? (2+ / 0-)
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      Damnit Janet, Southern Lib

      That clears any confusion up quite nicely.

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:51:15 AM PDT

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      •  Or "Choose Lifer" kind of denial terms (2+ / 0-)
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        tardis10, Southern Lib

        I'm a bleeding heart liberal which means actually that I am very much Pro Life.  However that means that I think all should have the right to their own lives and choices.

        That it means I'm also anti-war, anti-torture, anti-hunger, anti-death penalty, anti-violence.  

        Most who are pro-life are rabid pro-death.  

        Actually, I'd never call myself "pro-life" because that term has been draped in GOP smear.  It doesn't mean what they think it means.  But I know what I think when I hear that term.  I know exactly how the people who are okay with that term feel about incest, rape and my reproductive rights and health.

        "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

        by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:59:49 AM PDT

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        •  In the past (say for the (1+ / 0-)
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          Damnit Janet

          last 30+ years) I have always called anti-choicers just that. After further reflection though,I think forced birther (a term that did make Ms.Manners me uncomfortable at first),is the most accurate term for their position. Afterall,as you note,plenty of forced birthers hold various positions on capital punishment,war,organ donation,reproductive choices regarding pregnancy, end of life care etc.

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:21:59 AM PDT

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          •  Yes! (1+ / 0-)
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            I like the term forced birther as well.  Simply because there is nothing LIFE about Pro-Lifers.  They try to say they would "personally choose life" but at the same time they take it upon themselves to make that same choice for others.  They don't understand the fundamental aspect of what CHOICE means.

            My daughter has another term for Pro-Livers.  Accomplices.

            "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

            by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:26:38 AM PDT

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            •  Livers - Lifers... :) (1+ / 0-)
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              As Emily Latella would say

              What's everyone so angry about these Pro-Livers?  Liver is edible if you coat it with some bacon.  You can hide it by stuffing things with it.  Iron deficiency is no laughing matter...



              Nevermind. :)

              "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

              by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:29:01 AM PDT

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            •  Accomplices! Perfect. (1+ / 0-)
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              Damnit Janet

              Sadly,my daughters would likely add a few NSFW words to that single word.
              Wonder where they ever learned such behaviour ;)

              "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

              by tardis10 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:30:12 AM PDT

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              •  Critical Thought (2+ / 0-)
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                tardis10, DSPS owl

                it's still legal.  :)

                It used to be that the abortion issue was shushed.  As soon as abortion came up, the discussions would end and people would probably concede that it's a personal decision,  a gutwrenching, hard decision.  But a decision.

                Not a mandate, not forced wands in vaginas....

                We've slipped so far.

                So now we do discuss it.  We talk.  We share.

                And Pro-Life is now touted for what it is. Pro-Rape. Pro-Rapists.  Pro-Rapists Rights.  Anti-Women.  Anti-Survivor.

                Why can Pro-Lifers (aka Accomplices and Rape Apologists) also have the right have guns, want televised executions but I don't have to right to make a personal decision about my body?

                "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:38:26 AM PDT

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              •  By the way (1+ / 0-)
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                I always enjoy your comments.  You make me smile and usually, sometimes, kinda sorta make me think :)

                Thank you.

                "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:39:55 AM PDT

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            •  oh intellectual laziness (0+ / 0-)

              is so much fun isn't it?

              Rather than address a point head on, call people names.

              Sounds like a good plan.

              By the way, I've never been a rabid supporter of the death penalty, thanks for the assumption.

              If you think pro-life is a GOP smear, what the heck do you think anti-choice represents? Some kind of higher plain unbiased phrase?

              Come on, let's be real here.

              Pro-life is all about the preservation of life...and your comments seem to be just stereotypes and not based in either fact or even anecdotes. Speaking of anecdotes, I've had a situation where my wife and I offered to take on someone's child versus them having an abortion. Try to argue that that decision wasn't about life...I'd love to hear it.

              Because you disagree with my position doesn't give you license to degrade it. I'm not calling you names, calling you silly, or a rabid anything because you believe that woman's right to choose outweighs the right of an unborn child to live. It's a disagreement, it doesn't mean your a vile creature and it certainly doesn't mean I live in some sort of hypocritical glass house.

              Certainly would be nice for someone to raise the bar of intellectual debate on this site.

              •  You offered... (0+ / 0-)

                to adopt a baby.  Why just an offer?

                Why do you feel entitled to have any say about a woman's choice?  

                It's not your choice or decision.  Period.

                You don't hear me saying what you can and can't do with your sperm.  

                You don't have to worry about a politician or some church member getting in the way of your private health care decisions.  

                "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                by Damnit Janet on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 06:27:41 PM PDT

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                •  because it takes (0+ / 0-)

                  two people to make a baby, that's why. Unless we're talking artificial incemination but in that scenario the woman is certainly choosing to bring a life into the world. If after my subsequent comments you'd like to introduce rape, incest, or the life of the mother we can talk about those points as well. I'm choosing to keep it simple that we have two consenting adults who both have equal responsibility over the life that happens to be residing in the woman's body.

                  Because, surely when the baby is born, the state believes both people involved are equally responsible for the child.

                  As for the situation I referred to we offered, the person chose to have an abortion. We live in a pro-choice world, they had a choice and made the call. But trust me when I tell you, I'd make the same offer again to a family member if it meant not killing a child.

                  I'm also not telling you what to do with your eggs either. What I am saying is that when egg meets sperm it's not just a woman's choice. That's a bit of a deviation from the pro-life argument we've been having and veers towards how much say a man and a woman should have in the decision to have a baby or not.

                  Can I ask you a question because your answer will help me make further comments and I don't want to assume. If I am a father of a 15 year old daughter who gets pregnant should she be allowed to have an abortion sans my or my wife's consent? I'm interested in your answer.

                  •  I have an 18 yo daughter (0+ / 0-)

                    and we talk.  We share.  But it would be her decision.  I could only hope that she would consult us.  Consult. We would support her no matter what.  

                    I think the difference here is your notion of consent vs consult.  It's her decision.

                    Let me explain a bit more:

                    My husband of over 20 years recently had a vasectomy.  The office he went to wanted me to sign a consent form.  I refused.  They then called me - I had dropped him off and was running errands before I had to pick him up.  They called and told me I had to sign the consent form.  I stated that we were adults and had discussed this but that it was his decision alone to make and that I or anyone else should have zero voice on the matter and that their consent form and call was actually breaking his privacy.

                    The office is a hip place and mostly women working there.  They wanted to know why I was against it so vehemently.  They needed to make sure we as a married couple had agree on it - discussed it.

                    I then said it was none of their business what we discuss or don't discuss.

                    What if he didn't want me to know?  What if I had been pressuring him for more children? They didn't know and they didn't need to know.

                    They were there to perform a medical procedure.

                    That it was his body and his CHOICE.  That if he wanted to pierce his penis and paint it purple... it was his penis.

                    Just like it wasn't any of his business if I felt I needed a medical procedure.

                    Sure we talked about it.  He was having this done for my medical needs.  If I were to get pregnant again, it could literally kill me.  My kidneys can't take it.

                    So we had talked, we had shared but it was nobody'd business.  

                    I respected his right to his own medical privacy which they had breached.  If the patient had been a female seeking an abortion would they have called the spouse??  That hit them like a ton of bricks.  

                    He had consulted with me - but he did NOT need my CONSENT.

                    My daughter has consulted us about getting a tattoo.  I'd like her to wait, finish college.... but we will support her decision and ensure that IF she chooses to get inked that it's from an excellent place.  

                    hope that helps.  

                    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                    by Damnit Janet on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 07:41:37 PM PDT

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    •  Whose life are you pro for? (2+ / 0-)
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      Southern Lib, Pandoras Box

      The life of the woman?  Because it's her CHOICE what to do with her LIFE.  Don't want an abortion because you are "pro-life" that is just fine.  I don't want an abortion either, but I sure want the choice to be available to me in case me and my doctor want to DECIDE.

      You don't get to make her choices or anyone's choices.  It's not about your position or opinion or beliefs.

      All it is about is CHOICE.  

      I think the term "pro-life" should be re-defined to accurately depict the persons true stance on these matters.  

      I support choice.  No one should have any say as to what I do or don't do with my body.  

      I'm curious:  Why is the label "Pro-Life" so important to you?  Does it mean you are personally pro-life?  As in "choose life"?

      "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

      by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 09:51:35 AM PDT

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    •  pro-life/anti-choice (5+ / 0-)

      So sorry to offend you.  I didn't realize the debate over whether a women had the right to decide what to do with her vagina was a civil debate.  I didn't know that determining whether a rape is legitimate/a gift from god/or her fault anyway for asking for it, was a civil debate.  I'm completely flabbergasted that  you want us to me more mindful of what we call people.  Do you have any idea what women have been called on your side of this debate?  How about baby killers?  Crazy?  Sluts?  Women are being marginalized, spat upon, judged, excommunicated from various churches, and now we have to sit back, count to 10 and be civil?  I think we're past that in our relationship.  I'm not mincing words.  If you are pro-life then you are against choice.  Period.  

    •  ARE you in favor of legislation which (5+ / 0-)

      restricts abortion rights for women?  if you ARE, then it doesn't matter how you feel about it, you are anti-choice.

    •  We already are labeled (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tardis10, Pandoras Box

      for being pro-choice.

      Baby Killer!

      The nicer terms are
      Uppity Woman Who Dares to Think For Herself!

      "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

      by Damnit Janet on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 10:13:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Disheartening (0+ / 0-)

    because I do NOT want to see the guy become a popular hero for the cause in four years. I absolutely want him OFF the national stage.

  •  Local (0+ / 0-)

    Goopers are bemoaning that Romney has misused Poor Pauli--might as well have chosen Portman for all the good it has done them here in Wisconsin.  He's been hidden in places that don't matter as they are saying

  •  crazy spoof ad about Akin/Ryan and choice (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Damnit Janet, DSPS owl

    check out the video I made with friends to take a crazy look at the GOP!:

  •  The Paul Ryan smirky, rehearsed, (0+ / 0-)

    I'm-so-cute-don't-you-want-to-just-pinch-my-cheek, smarmy look TURNS MY STOMACH. I just can't stand looking at him! I just want to bitch slap that look off his face. Romney seriously makes my skin crawl, in that creepy pervert kind of way, but Ryan makes me want to hurl, in that oh-shit-it's-a-zombie-in-a-wife-beater kind of way. Please let's drum this fucktard off the national stage! Sorry for the rant - these guys just really gall me.

  •  Maybe they should (0+ / 0-)

    talk to the gays who were made similar promises. The old I'll be better than Kennedy on gay rights crap.

    “It was like talking to a robot"

    There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

    by pastol on Fri Nov 02, 2012 at 11:55:53 AM PDT

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