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I suspect that Superstorm Sandy is an Act of God, not in a legalistic sense of an unanticipated natural catastrophe, but something much more. Along with those who believe the words of our Pledge of Allegiance that we are a nation "under God,"  even though I am an atheist I have to conclude that this unprecedented event could not have been a meteorological accident.  No, just as God sent the flood that destroyed the world to send his warning to Noah, this too was a message to fulfill the promise he made to our founders.


His message is not to ignore the "one nation" part of the Pledge given under his name.  His saturating the cold winds over the north Atlantic, energizing the swirling tropical cyclone being brewed in the tropics, and sending them both on a twisted course to merge at the same hour off the coast of his "bestowed" country to submerge it's greatest city could never have been an accident  It was a biblical-level warning not to elect someone who would begin to destroy the great compromise of 1789, The Constitution of the United States of America, that E Pluribus Unum moment, when from many states was forged a single country.

The election to be held in a few days will be more than between two men, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, but a referendum on two principles of governance.  Romney's being a reversion to the period when the United States of America was a loose alliance of sovereign states under the Articles of Confederation; the second is our country now, a nation indivisible.

As a people we have forgotten why we abandoned these Articles of Confederation.  This charter was based on the Republican political philosophy that will be achieved by devolution as defined by their standard bearer, who in every area, from health care to emergency response has stated that, "authority is always preferable at the most local level, states rather than the federal government".

Only through the distorted lens of this ideology is it possible that a universal heath care system could be admirable when it implemented by a state, but oppressive when extended to the larger polity, namely the United States of America.   Romney has also stated that emergency response to catastrophes, now under FEMA, should be replaced by state agencies.  This means that a tragedy, whether like what we are experiencing now in the Northeast, or the anticipated major earthquake in California, will not bring a national response, but be limited by state resources, all of which are now struggling to maintain existing services. This would become a source of dissension, very similar to what now exists in that other loose confederation of states, the European Union, that is on the brink of economic collapse as the richer nations are reluctant to come to the aid of those in the most economic stress.

Governing a small homogeneous polity is a simple task in itself.  What such entities, whether called states, countries or principalities, lack is the ability to survive natural calamities or invasion by more powerful empires.  This is why entities such as the United States, Great Britain and the Roman Empire are more stable over longer periods, continuously devising cultural, legal and technical innovations to sustain the challenges of diversity.  Living as we do in such a mature society, it is easy to see its problems and contradictions, while losing sight of why they came to be, and how,  in spite of these profound defects, it is still a system worth defending.

We see the artifacts of this grand compromise in our electoral college system of selection of president, which still reflects that era when states were sovereign and would only join this central government if they were ensured certain residual protections. We see it in our Senate, where contrary to democratic principles , each member retains a veto over most legislation.

Given the challenges, the conflicts including a great civil war, that flowed from creating a strong central government under the Constitution we must ask, as we have throughout our history, whether it was the right decision.  The answer has been provided in stark relief,  first by the current experience of the financial crisis of the European Union. But nothing could make it more clear than this "act of God" of Sandy.

The answer will be dramatized over the next few days, as the current president will face the limits of his power to assuage the pain of millions who are victims of this natural disaster. The danger is that the very party that fosters devolution, a virtual return to the Articles of Confederation that would vastly limit the resources to help the victims of this natural disaster, could successfully spin this as a personal failure of the President. What must be articulated clearly to voters, is how achievement of the Republican goal of devolution would make consequences of this tragedy so much worse; beyond more suffering of its victims, it would become a crisis that endangers the very cohesion of our nation.

Devolution is dissolution.  Mitt Romney, by advocating his party's principle of  transfer of power from the United States government to the states, is breaching what he has stated is sacred to him,  a pledge to maintain "one nation indivisible."  While he has stated that he takes the Pledge of Allegiance to be his own personal oath,  his expressed intention to weaken the federal government, to deny it the authority and funding that makes us a nation, is an inherent denial of that Pledge's central affirmation of intrinsic unity.

Whether or not there is a God -- one who is all powerful and all wise who sent this storm, or whether it was caused by natural forces -- how we are able to respond, either as a country unified in spirit and in law or as individual states, will be shaped by the choice we make on Tuesday.  In this respect it is either a repudiation or affirmation of the central thrust of that decision made in Philadelphia in 1789.  The signers knew that their document, this Constitution, was fraught with challenges.  We are now being asked whether it is still worth defending in view of the complex diverse country that we have become.

At the very least, it is worthy of our serious evaluation.

Originally posted to ARODB on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 10:05 PM PDT.

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  •  One Nation, Indivisible /nt (14+ / 0-)

    The White Race can not survive without dairy products - Herbert Hoover (-8.75,-8.36)

    by alain2112 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 10:23:22 PM PDT

    •  Thank you. (14+ / 0-)

      The insertion of "God" or gods never enlightens or improves anything.  

      •  Pasta Nostre Almighty has "Trued the Vote" (3+ / 0-)
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        Isn't it obvious ... the Supernatural voter suppression shows that Heaven favors the REPUBLICAN vision of limited government, privilege for Patricians and"Anxious Obedience" for  Plebeians.

        Examining the omens, entrails and spaghetti tangles makes any point the Auger needs to be made.

        Seriously:  Democrat "downstate" New Yorkers are going to have an interesting time casting ballots.  

        Myself: I rode out the storm in Kingston NY.  As of this moment I don't know if my Suffolk County polling place is even going to be open ... and it looks like the only way I'm going to find out is with a roundabout drive over roads without traffic lights or operating gas stations.   (My local police precinct advised staying out of the area until at least the  end of the week.)

        And frankly, I've got it relatively easy.  I don't know how people in Staten Island, Long Beach, southern Brooklyn, Queens, etc. are going to cope.

        Still ... "it's gotta be done."

      •  I say the pledge at schools when I visit to teach (7+ / 0-)

        about history. I never ever say "Under God". When called upon it I always state that the time period that they are paying me to portray did no have those words in the pledge. Many people are unaware that those two words (and they really are JUST words) we inserted during the time of the cold war.

        I laughed when an administrator said, "We'll see about that". That school was in a very red area full of ignorance. Grammar was not a friend of the students or the staff.

        While not all republicans are bigots, all bigots are republicans.

        by Maximilien Robespierre on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 06:01:23 PM PST

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        •  Bless you. I have NEVER put "under god" in pledge (0+ / 0-)

          I was only a grade school kid when they tried to "retrain" us in a big school assembly. I knew it was wrong immediately.  

          The pledge was written as a jingle to promote flag sales to schools.  The preacher who wrote it deliberately left god out.  When first introduced -- there were civil war sour grapers who objected to "indivisible" as a dig at confederates.  

          Our original "motto" was E Pluribus Unum --- from many, one.  Stressing unity.

          They shoehorned god into our govt. with the flim flam that we must define ourselves as different from the "godless communists."

          If we don't learn history --- we repeat dumb mistakes like theocracy.    

          We destroy "indivisible" by wedging in the word "God."  How?  Forced oath using male single deity --- immediately excludes our citizens who prefer to pray to Allah, Gods, Goddess, Goddesses, none of the above, and all faiths that do not have a deity as part of their religious path. It is a false swearing which ignores biblical "render unto caesar" warning to keep separate religion & govt.

          IMHO Sandy is a warning from Mother Nature ---- y'all WOMEN need to defend yourselves from the destructive storm aimed at you by Romney/Ryan and enshrined in Republican party platform.  

          PS -- Since you teach, I often use y'all  (which we thought was an ignorant southernism in my yankee youth)  to fix a flaw in standard English.   The personal pronoun "you" should not be both singular & plural.  One should be "you" and more than one should be "y'all."    Speech is supposed to communicate accurately.  But then, I'm a well known yankee agitating troublemaking  female.

          De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

          by Neon Mama on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 07:49:31 AM PST

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    •  (sandy), Not an Act of God, an act of mankind! (14+ / 0-)

      And they plan to keep screwing us around indefinitely, or until they totally destroy the earth. Whichever comes first.
      Hurricane Sandy Disaster-Need Help? Contact FEMA

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      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:31:04 AM PST

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    •  That's the way my father always said it because (5+ / 0-)

      that's the way he learned it. "Under God," always surprised him since the pledge had become like a habit to him.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 11:31:32 AM PST

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    •  The funniest part (8+ / 0-)

      is that the person who wrote the original Pledge of Allegiance was a Christian minister, and he couldn't be bothered to include any reference to "God" in the Pledge.   That was added at the height of McCarthyism of the 50s.

      The story of the essential structure of our modern immigration laws is similar.  I can't stand it when I hear right-wingers, or just bigots generally, shouting about "illegal immigrants" and how "my great-grandparents came to this country legally!"  Well, that's because the laws when your great-grandparents came were much much easier.  If you could pay $50 and pass a typhus test, you were in.  That changed in 1924, when suddenly strict regulation sharply limiting immigration was passed, mostly on the initiative of one organization.  That organization was the Ku Klux Klan.  So for all those who think strictly limited immigration laws are so great, they should be grateful to the Klansmen, who got that law passed because they were pissed that your great-grandparents were allowed in.

      Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 07:43:55 PM PST

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  •  oh (7+ / 0-)

    I thought he/she was just messing with the Republicans- I mean their last two conventions ? - and now this ?

  •  Sandy is shorty for Cassandra (27+ / 0-)

    The tragic figure of Greek mythology who was blessed with beauty only rivaled by Helen.  She was given the gift of foresight by the gods but cursed by the fact that nobody would believe her.  She foresaw the death of Hector, her father King Priam of Troy.  She foresaw the Trojan horse and destruction of Troy and she foresaw her own death and the death of King Agamemnon by his wife and her lover.  

    I think Sandy was telling us something alright.  She was telling us that if we don't stop fucking up the earth we too will meet our doom.  It remains to be seen if we heed her words.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 04:38:45 AM PST

    •  Bloomberg and Cuomo sure as hell heeded them (7+ / 0-)

      Whether anyone inside Beltway heed them is another story.  Sadly, Sandy's center probably would've had to go up through the Chesapeake for the Beltway to have taken heed.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 08:12:14 AM PST

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    •  I hope we listen to Sandy better than (2+ / 0-)
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      the Trojans listened to her namesake.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 11:32:43 AM PST

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    •  The laws of metaphysics tell us that (4+ / 0-)
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      all mortal events occur with echoed consequences. Unfortuntely few mortals know how to understand the overall extent of the interplay effects as they evolve and devolve through time.

      Make no mistake hard science is a key component as are the most effecient usage of all of our five senses. So just what have I said here?

      Let me offer a sample of an event using Sandy as an example. Sandy is not Divine retribution, simply because the Divine Power far exceeds anything based on the punishments of humans. Sandy is a huge unique creation of a massive physical evolving event, and that evolving event is called by many names - such as "global warming" or "Climate Change". Whenever this "controversal subject is broached in the public discussion all attention is focused on the melting conditions of the Artic icebergs. Those who are passionate about this type of destruction of the earth point to vehicle engine emmissions, and coal burning power plants.

      However this conversation generally goes nowhere since the international energy producers have an army of lobbyists with billions of influence dollars available to suppress any real public discussion of the CO2 gases saturating our global atmosphere. BUT THE REAL CULPRIT of the acceleration of destructive physical environmental conditions around the world is something that NEVER receives any attention - namely AIRPLANE ENGINE EMMISSIONS IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE.

      I challenge anyone reading tthis comment to do the arithmetic. There are roughly over 4,000 aircraft in flight around the world at various altitudes every minute, 4 hours a day for 7 days a week. Consider that the majority of these airplanes are passenger airliners with four high speed jet engine turbines belching out millions of pounds of gas into the outer atmosphere around the world. This approximate number of aircraft has been exploding as more and more countries around the world setup their own international airlines for daily scheduled flights. Is there any wonder that the jet stream has recently began to look more like a pretzel in its flow patterns.

      Somehow mankind has adopted the erronious idea that airline travel is akin to taking the subway from uptown to downtown in a large American city. The average passenger on a routine flight is totally unaware that his/her ride on a scheduled airliner is contributing to some of the most horrific future weather disasters imagineable. So there it is folks, a metaphysical message forcefully delivered to humanity by a hurricane named Sandy....

  •  Now if she would just deposit a Tues. blizzard (7+ / 0-)

    or ice storm on about 5 counties in the NW corner of IA to help Christie Vilsack defeat Steve King...

  •  Syncronistically, (6+ / 0-)

    as I turned to read this, up pops on random play my improvised lamentations for the victims of Katrina!  I haven't heard it for years (37,000 songs in my Mac).

    Maybe God(dess) is at the wheel here after all.

  •  how delicious the irony (10+ / 0-)

    that Congress added "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, in response to pressure from Tea Party types, my father included

  •  And "Sandford" (m) (3+ / 0-)
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    meaning a sandy ford.

    "The god(s) must be angry" or "sending a message" is fine if that is what you believe...flying spaghetti monsters, the big turtle, thor.

    regardless, those who are suffering from the Hurricane ISO heat, electricity, fuel, food, and TLC.

  •  Yeah, either God or two hundred years (6+ / 0-)

    of burning fossil fuels.

    Either way, there's not much that can be done by we measily humans.

  •  If I hear any complaints that Sandy was (14+ / 0-)

    because gays or abortion, I'm pointing out to the fundies that it occured days after Billy Graham endorsed a Mormon over a Christian.   Take that, Pat Robertson.

  •  No, it's not any better (12+ / 0-)

    when nutters interpret natural disasters as "messages from God" in a liberal perspective.  

    We don't need bullshit here about God hurling hurricanes at us in retaliation for our actions.  I find it disturbing that anyone who believes God does act so petulantly would want to worship such a prick.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 08:56:26 AM PST

    •  Exactly! :) (2+ / 0-)
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      They say the same God sending a message crap when a small child undergoes a horrible tragedy or dies a horrific  death....  people will say, "God wanted them closer" or "Now they are with God".

      What a prick of a deity.  

      As a child I thought my chances with the fallen angel would be much better than with my grandparents idea of god. :)

      Not that I was a Satanist or anything, mind you.  But as a small child I felt I would be much safer with God sending me messages or teaching me "lessons". :)

      "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

      by Damnit Janet on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:52:29 AM PST

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  •  Excuse me, but ... (4+ / 0-)

    ...if you're attributing weather to the vengeful whims of make-believe gods, I don't think you can credibly call yourself an atheist.  

    Superstorms are the natural cuase of abusing the environment and throwing the natural balance out of whack -- it benefits no one to insert faith-based voodoo into actual science.  

    •  i think you are missing (6+ / 0-)

      the element of snark in this diary

      what is important is this issue: the very real push to end the unity of this country

      i think this is the issue leftists should cohere around.

      we need to change the narrative to reflect that the rethugs do indeed want to disintegrate the country.

      one of my current students has brought this into stark relief as the logic of his reasoning absolutely leads to the disintegration of the country.  he literally advocated cutting off certain parts of the country because they were not economically viable from his perspective.  this is the end logic of their insanity: the dissolution of the republic

      Donate to Occupy Wall Street here:

      by BlueDragon on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:48:51 AM PST

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      •  Thanks for clarifying my point... (4+ / 0-)
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        and I was subtle, in order to show the paradox, that leads to hopefully the realization of what is at stake.

        I didn't want to insert a disclaimer that this is a metaphor, as it would have been demeaning to those who could follow both my rhetorical and logical thread.

        This was the outcome of many hours of work, numerous drafts, that only used the "God's Message" when it seemed to work.  

        It also illustrated Romney's reverence and personal affirmation of the Pledge of Allegiance, that I linked in the diary and here.  I was outraged at his equating being an American with having such faith as expressed by the words of the Pledge.

        And Sandy does throw this in stark relief, as shown by Steve Colbert, who made the point without the historical references.

        For the first time I sent this out to 90 people who are on my contact list, many of them old dormant friendships who I neve expected to contact again.

        This seems that important to me.

        •  This is clever, but I so wish (3+ / 0-)
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          we could keep God and Science separate.  

          Not all of us think subtly enough to understand that you are speaking metaphorically.  

          I wish our language in talking about climate change could be Science language.  Anthropogenically-caused climate change is a theory.  There is strong evidence to support it, certainly strong enough to take it totally seriously, because if the theory is correct, we need to act yesterday.  I find the evidence convincing, and have bought and given away so many books on humanly-caused climate change, hoping to get others to take the theory seriously.  

          But I am not going to diminish the strength of scientific discourse by agreeing that something is proven that has not been proven, but is at the level of a theory.  

          I really hate the term "climate change denier" because what is the opposite of a denier?  A believer.  Climate change is not a matter of faith.  

          It is a matter for all the intelligent, sophisticated study we can give it, and action based on the consequences should the theory be correct.

          In the years that Republicans have been deliberately dumbing down the electorate by eliminating classes on science, or perverting classes on science, and eliminating the teaching of critical thinking skills, some of us have forgotten how to "speak science" and some of us are too young to have learned from our school curricula.  

          Please let's speak science and teach our young to speak science.  

          It is a very clever diary, though, and thank you.  

          I have no help to send. Therefore I must go myself. Aragorn

          by Old Gardener on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 12:58:12 PM PST

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        •  Sorry, but ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ..using a false and pernicious frame (storms are the result of angry gods) in some sort of attempt to sidestep that frame and make a different point apparently about the dissolution of the union -- welll, that's not smart way to get a message across.  

          And setting up a false dichotomy -- i.e. the storm is either the act of a supernatural fairy or it's an 'accident', when, in fact, it is neither; it the wholly natural and predictable consequence of man-made climate change -- is another poor way to making a point.  

          The fact that your diary title and the majority of comments here are on what you claim your diary is NOT about should be an indication of the issues in your communication.

          •  And, if one were really all that (0+ / 0-)

            self-struck by the importance of one's words, part of hard work might including running the thing past someone who knows as much grammar as vocabulary.  

            and I wait for them to interrupt my drinking from this broken cup

            by le sequoit on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 05:09:21 PM PST

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  •  As an atheist who is starting to lean more to (3+ / 0-)
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    my earlier Eastern journey, I wish that this so called God would learn how to text or at least use pen and paper to send out his fucking messages instead of death and destruction.

    Another reason out of MANY why I will never get on my knees for this prick whose gift to women is rape babies, original sin and that women are merely property.  

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:46:36 AM PST

  •  If your premise is correct, then why did (0+ / 0-)

    God strike the states that are mainly blue and far more willing to compromise? I am not seeing catastrophic events in those red states in the middle of the country on par with what we just saw -- does that mean they are more bi-partisan? Don't think so.

    I would say that if we are talking God yelling out a lesson, then it is that we are greedy and do not take care of the beautiful planet we live on and that is universal but much worse in this country. I think Mother Nature is furious as she well should be.  

    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:51:54 AM PST

  •  No! Calumny! I haz ordered no such thing. (4+ / 0-)
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    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:52:23 AM PST

  •  Greetings! The heart of the matter... (5+ / 0-)
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    Mitt Romney, by advocating his party's principle of  transfer of power from the United States government to the states, is breaching what he has stated is sacred to him,  a pledge to maintain "one nation indivisible."  While he has stated that he takes the Pledge of Allegiance to be his own personal oath,  his expressed intention to weaken the federal government, to deny it the authority and funding that makes us a nation, is an inherent denial of that Pledge's central affirmation of intrinsic unity.
    This is the heart of the matter which we need to explore further. Most of these "Republican" leaders self-contradict without even realizing that they are doing it.

    Of course Mitt Romney would swear his allegience to the "Pledge of Allegience" because it has the popular (for the conservatives) "under God" part. The catch is, however, like everything else in this universe, the pledge is rather complex when it comes to the "whole" of it. Meaning, it doesn't only say "under God" but it also says "one nation" and "indivisible" which are the back bone of "E Pluribus Unum." See, it was a riot not too long ago when idiot Randy Forbes of Virginia did a knee jerk reaction to the President's wise statement calling "E Pluribus Unum" our national motto, claiming that "In God We Trust" is our true national motto, instead. Following that, the equally idiotic tea bagging congress took immediate action making sure that "In God We Trust" is our motto, like Forbes claimed, not "E Pluribus Unum."

    Now I am not sure how much explanation of how these terms are one and the same, that "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum" are ideologically and principally about the same thing, faith in one "God," unless one's "God" is a cow or something (no offense meant if you are worshipping a cow, btw) would take to help these people see the light since they seem to have cotton stuffed in their skulls, instead of brains.

    They (including Romney) cannot wrap their heads around complexities in which there are paradoxical oppositions that must be seen as one. Their worldview, in other words, is cartoonish. That is why they constantly self-contradict and stand for the "God" of the pledge while at the same time rejecting the "indivisibility" of it.

    Something is wrong with their judgment. I say they are blind when it comes to the truth. Why? What causes it? I have no idea.


    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 10:21:56 AM PST

    •  Yep, you got my message.... (3+ / 0-)
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      I wrote this hoping to reach a few people who have the ability to think about these things.  I used the "God's Message" metaphor, because it seemed to fit in a way I can't even describe.

      For those who do believe in an active involved Deity, then my argument does make sense, and I had to give it a degree of credence, even if some on this site were offended by my given respect to such beliefs.

      I now see that I was writing for two audiences, believers and non believers.  I clearly said I was an atheist, but my logical message holds for both groups.

      I sent this out to close to a hundred of my contacts many of a wide range of political views, including some who would never be on this site.  Actually, I only posted it here as an afterthought, as I expected a degree of flack for trying to reach the believing audience.

      When I looked at this before I left for tennis this morning there were five comments, and then I found it was picked up by community spotlight and is getting read.

      I hope peolle send this to voters who still don't understand the deep principles that the current Republican party represent.  Some may be influenced by this, and it could matter in such a close election.

    •  One nation under God for a polytheist? (0+ / 0-)

      If I understand it correctly, Mormonism is a polytheistic religion.  One nation under God -- not sure what that would mean with many gods.  Maybe that is consistent with a loose confederation of states.

  •  for an atheist you sound very much like (5+ / 0-)

    the theists.  

    Try using simple physics here and cause and effect.  A storm is just that and no more.

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 10:32:37 AM PST

    •  see my comment above.... (1+ / 0-)
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      entitled, "yep, you got my message."

      •  You make no sense (2+ / 0-)
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        Using a well embedded frame in a new way is the worst possible way to communicate

        An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

        by don mikulecky on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 11:54:18 AM PST

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        •  The vast majority of voters... (1+ / 0-)
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          have made their decision on this election for president, and had it confirmed by the respective advocates at every level.

          My attempt was to reach a narrow, and resistant audience. I wrote many drafts conveying the same message, none would have broken through to may target audience.

          This use of the "God's Metaphor"also connected to Romny's described belief (suggest you read about his speech that I linked if serious about this discussion) was what I arrived at as may reach a handful of those who may believe in God, and if so ask why?  I gave a plausible reason.  

           Those who do not so believe, who did not understand the consequences of devolution, could also possibly be informed.

        •  You miss arodb's point. (0+ / 0-)

          Do we want a strong central government or don't we? Reread the Federalist Papers. Stop screwing around wasting our time with literary devices and "frames".

          Damn the Regressives, full speed ahead!

          by Nautical Knots on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 07:16:25 AM PST

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  •  either that or God was not happy with the season's (2+ / 0-)
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    Jersey Shore episodes.  he hit their filming location square on.  so this is the most likely thing that God was trying to tell us about.


    what lincoln said

    by rasfrome on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 10:50:18 AM PST

  •  Federalism and "states' rights" are mostly BS (5+ / 0-)
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    and simply a way to obfuscate the question of in whose interests government power is exercised. This has been true since the early days of the Republic. The ante-bellum South ostensibly went to war for "states' rights" (to preserve property in human beings), but was perfectly happy to have the federal government enforce the Fugitive Slave Act to capture escaped slaves.  

    The same hypocrisy is alive and well today: while Romney wants to devolve FEMA's functions to states, a major feature of Romney's health care policy is use federal power to pre-empt state regulation of insurance, so state regulators won't be able to protect consumers.  Of course, Romney is all about BS and hypocrisy, so what's the surprise?

  •  God is upset (0+ / 0-)

    with the Tea party.

  •  "Whether or not there is a God"? (1+ / 0-)
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    If you are an atheist, you know there isn't one. So why write a diary using any kind of god as part of the arguement or statement?  We already have too much political discussion and observation tied to superstitious beliefs, why add more?

    The founders left "God" out of the room during the summer they formulated the Constitution. THAT is their message to us and one I just wish fervently that we could honor.

  •  thank you (1+ / 0-)
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    The teflon candidate, bishop willard mitch romney.

    by longtimelurker on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 01:28:06 PM PST

  •  Another storm coming on election week... (3+ / 0-)
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    They're predicting a blizzard in some of the swing States to hit Wednesday.

    The last update says it will have the most damaging effects on Wednesday--but it's effects may be felt as early as Tuesday's election day.

    From what I read it's heading toward NJ again. And this time it will hit MA harder than Sandy.

    Please pray for those Americans who may be badly hit. Especially those already devastated in NJ.

    Let ALL American know we DEFINITELY need FEMA!!

    Florida gets so much FEMA help because they have the most hurricanes. Yet those misinformed seniors are still going for Wrongney.

    We need to twit on twitter to Floridians if they elect Wrongney, they won't get FEMA help anymore.

    Even J. Bush endorses FEMA...

  •  So God murdered dozens of people... (0+ / 0-) communicate some kind of enlightened message of peace and unity?

    I find this kind of reasoning astonishingly callous and cruel.

    My head says "No" but my heart says "Yes". And then my liver says "What?" and my butt's all like "Farrrrrrt" --jbou

    by Caj on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 09:36:08 PM PST

  •  i don't think so. (0+ / 0-)

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 03:59:20 AM PST

  •  Whatever force created us and our surroundings (1+ / 0-)
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    gave us working brains, a "talent" we should not waste.

    Many of our founders were deists -- who saw trees & science & birds & humans etc. as part of an overall connected whole.

    Whether you plant trees to be religiously "good stewards" of earth or because we need them to sequester carbon and emit oxygen for us to breathe --- plant the trees.

    Their roots slow soil erosion, floods, dust storms.  Their shade can cool our cities & slow the heat damage to streets.  

    Science & religion need not be at odds.  

    IMHO --- we have never stressed enough the important lessons learned during the Articles of Confederation @ decade.  Once again --- Republicans try to sell a plan already proved to be doomed to failure.    It wasn't a sidebar to history.  It was a "lessons learned" decade which led us to scrap it and create Constitution because there was no way to fix the problems by "tweaking" the Articles.

    No politician should get away with bragging about stealing jobs from our fellow citizens in another state.

    Car industry put thriving blacksmiths out of business.  Renewable fuels must put carbon polluting fuels out of business.  Retrain miners for other jobs --- with the tax dollars cut from insane subsidies to owners of polluting fuel companies.

    Common sense & balance in all things we grasshoppers need.  Clerics sell invisible rulegivers who really, really promise you a cool rebate after you are dead. Would they lie to gain power/money?  Surely you jest.

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Mon Nov 05, 2012 at 08:50:00 AM PST

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