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Many Republicans are still in denial and disbelief about Mitt Romney's big loss to President Barack Obama, looking for ways to unskew the results. But Politico found a few who acknowledged that, you know, there's a price to be paid for running against everyone but white people in a country that's getting more brown.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio was there, of course, giving the lip service to the appeal he feels Republicans should have to immigrants that will keep him a much talked-about 2016 presidential prospect even as polling suggests his appeal to Latino voters is highly overrated by his party. But a few other Republicans whose interests are less immediately served by this reality were willing to say that maybe being the party of white guys isn't the recipe for success:

"Our party needs to realize that it’s too old and too white and too male and it needs to figure out how to catch up with the demographics of the country before it’s too late," said Al Cardenas, the head of the American Conservative Union and a longtime GOP leader. "Our party needs a lot of work to do if we expect to be competitive in the near future."

Rep. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), a prospective 2014 statewide candidate in a state moving sharply to the middle, was just as blunt: "After tonight, the GOP had better figure out that a big tent sounds good, but if there aren’t any seats in it, what good is it."

The delicious thing is, the majority of the loudest voices in today's Republican party are extremely unlikely to figure that out any time soon. They'll be too busy pointing fingers at their flawed presidential candidate (as if they nominated a robotic job-killing plutocrat in a vacuum, unrelated to their demographic problems) and blowing dog whistles about the black president to start undoing the damage they've done to their reputation among rapidly growing parts of the electorate.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:40 AM PST.

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  •  Bring back Michael Steele! He was great... (9+ / 0-)

    ... (for the Democrats :-) and very entertaining.

    Better to hide your tax returns and be thought a crook than to release them and remove all doubt. [Adapted from Abraham Lincoln]

    by Caelian on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:46:25 AM PST

  •  Yes yes yes (15+ / 0-)
    The delicious thing is, the majority of the loudest voices in today's Republican party are extremely unlikely to figure that out any time soon.
    2014, here we come. This is the age of Democrats, this is the decade we beat Reaganism to a pulp, grind it up into dust, make a soup out of it, and then feed needy people with it.

    Cause you know, we don't want to waste anything and we care.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:46:31 AM PST

  •  It's fine with me if they keep telling themselves (27+ / 0-)

    that Mitt Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough. They wanna go even further right and keep losing seats that should easily be theirs, well, I'm not going to discourage them.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:46:44 AM PST

  •  A "DUH" moment... (13+ / 0-)

    for the GOP and their racist leadership.  I doubt Romney is a racist, but the GOP (read money distribution center) directed the coded strategy to stoke the antebellum fears and prejudices of the past.  Why else would the red swath encompass the old South and the rural middle?  

    The non-white electorate fell below 72% this time and that spells doom for these guys.  Gosh, maybe they'll actually start thinking about doing what is right for the majority of people trying to make this country great.  

    Be still my beating heart.

    "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

    by dolfin66 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:47:21 AM PST

    •  You mean the white electorate... (7+ / 0-)

      Fell below 72% :).  I heard that something like 52,000 Hispanics are turning 18 every month last night.  The problem is only getting worse (for them).

      Why is Mitt Rmoney so happy that an American embassy was attacked? Why does he hate America?

      by RichM on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:56:27 AM PST

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    •  Expect them to try to redefine "white" (0+ / 0-)

      A hundred years ago, "white" meant Northern/Northwestern Europe, minus the Irish. Italians, Poles, and the like were not included. In time though, the white racists realized you couldn't keep a ruling majority together with just the British, Germans, Dutch and French, so little by little they let the southern and eastern Europeans into the white club, and even the Irish.

      Now they need to find more people to bring in. Many Republican leaders were really hoping they could turn to Latinos to fill the gap, but they haven't been able to keep their more flamboyant bigots quiet.  I doubt that the Republican Party, as it exists now, can solve the problem they've created for themselves.

      Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

      by tcorse on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:18:54 AM PST

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  •  They want their country back (sob!) (24+ / 0-)

    The country where you could buy and suppress your way to victory. Where is that country? Overrun by birth-controlling women and people with funny names and uppity workers who want to be paid a decent wage. The horror, oh the horror!

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:47:46 AM PST

  •  You cannot run a multicultural and pluralistic (18+ / 0-)

    society, by simply appealing to one demographic. The GOP is the antithesis of America. America is a diverse nation, not just a white man's nation.

  •  they won't learn, IMHO. They haven't learned in (17+ / 0-)

    decades, since the civil rights act, in fact, permanently changed the electoral map. They're racist to the core, they deny it (publicly) vehemently, and all their conventions and rallies and conferences show only the white demographic. I've been saying for decades now, that when you look at the Dem convention, it looks like America. The repub convention looks like an country club gathering.

    They won't change, they'll cease to exist rather than accept the "others".

    Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

    by p gorden lippy on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:50:46 AM PST

  •  Thanks. Becoming more inclusive would present a (9+ / 0-)

    Aareal conundrum for the Republican Party. Currently, much of their appeal to whites, especially in the South, stems from their anti-minority, anti-immigrant, and anti-women positions. If they ever started moderating those views, they would become more like Democrats, and lose some of the support they currently enjoy. Those issues are what currently differentiates Republicans from Democrats. It will be fun to see how they deal with that.

    Further, affiant sayeth not.

    by Gary Norton on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:51:04 AM PST

  •  The problem is they weren't rapey ENOUGH. (11+ / 0-)

    Do more talking about the rape thing next time and they'll totally win!

    What? It's worth a shot. :D

    •  the GOP has become the pro-rape party (7+ / 0-)

      that is mainly what i will take away from this election

      •  Rapeublicans. n/t (6+ / 0-)
      •  There are GOP governors in thirty states (0+ / 0-)

        now.  Their "transvaginal ultrasound" governors and legislators are going to prove to be an enormous disadvantage to them.  Forcing women to go through humiliating and unnecessary procedures is not going to endear them to women of any political stripe.  Many Republican women were convinced during this election season that the GOP wouldn't really overturn Roe v. Wade or pass a personhood amendment to the constitution, but if GOP legislators continue to harp on unwanted pregnancies being "God's will" with no abortion exceptions whatsoever, even GOP women will eventually become fed up.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:30:19 AM PST

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        •  To be fair, I don't think most of the VA (0+ / 0-)

          legislators who voted for that bill knew that the ultrasound it specified would be transvaginal. They don't know enough about pregnancy to maybe even know there was such a thing. Which just goes to show how ridiculous and oppressive it is for strangers to make health care decisions for women en masse.

          However, when they found out that the bill was a lot more rape-y than they had realized, most of them were too misogynist to back off from supporting it. This bill also provided a succinct illustration of the connection between violence against women and the belief that women cannot be allowed to make their own decisions about their bodies.

          We must believe in free will. We’ve got no choice. –Isaac Bashevis Singer

          by Ruthtopia on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:46:46 AM PST

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  •  And I'm sure they think... (6+ / 0-) their little bubble that they can just flip the switch, start talking about immigration reform and stop talking about rape, and hispanics and women will swoop to their side.

    But they won't.  Hispanics, AAs, and other minorities aren't stupid like your NASCAR-loving white southern hick supporters - they REMEMBER, and they won't be swayed by any of your future BS.

    Republicans - you've LOST entire generations of latinos and women with your BS this election, AND THEY'LL NEVER BE ON YOUR SIDE.  And that's refreshing.

    •  Their base and their right wing preachers will not (1+ / 0-)
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      let the legitimate rape thing die.  The anti-woman, anti-science, Creationist wing of the Republican party is a significant portion of their base that will not be denied or betrayed easily.  They are clinging to their God and their guns and woe betide the Republican who crosses them.  

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:19:17 AM PST

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  •  I'm white... (30+ / 0-)

    Suburban, make over 100k a year and have three kids and a wife.  The GOP offers me nothing.  And their denial of science is threatening the planet.  Not to mention I have first cousins who are gay.  The GOP is not the party of whites.  It's the party of racists whites.

    Why is Mitt Rmoney so happy that an American embassy was attacked? Why does he hate America?

    by RichM on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:58:45 AM PST

  •  Limbaugh won't let them change.....he'd be out of (5+ / 0-)

    a job.

    •  Very true (6+ / 0-)
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      bkamr, JayRaye, eps62, Liberal Mole, MrJersey, Vicky

      On Morning Joe this morning they mentioned that's the first thing the GOP needs to do, dumping the RW noise machine that pipes the Tea Party music to Clear Channel listeners everywhere. It won't happen soon. The wingnuts are going to hit critical mass and become more and more stridentl before they resist quietly. They have the kind of paranoia that doesn't recognize compromise or common sense. For one thing it would mean they'd have to purge themselves of the word RINO which is just about 38% of their political vocabulary.

      There are two types of republicans, the rich and the stupid. The rich ones strive to keep the stupid ones stupid and the stupid ones strive to keep the rich ones rich.

      by frankzappatista on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:33:40 AM PST

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      •  RW noise machine is a money maker (1+ / 0-)
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        As long as there is money to be made spewing hatred and B.S. in the right wing media, someone will do it.

        The only question is - when will Republicans ignore the hate-mongers and begin doing the right thing?     I don't think they will anytime soon.    They've been living in their own reality for too many years, and can't recognize what policies would actually be good for the country vs. what policies benefit their overlords.

        •  They won't wake up until they see Obama as (0+ / 0-)

          something other than the evil Muslim sent here from Kenya to destroy Western Capitalism. What percentage of Fox viewers still think he's Muslim? Yeah it's going to be a while before reality penetrates.

          There are two types of republicans, the rich and the stupid. The rich ones strive to keep the stupid ones stupid and the stupid ones strive to keep the rich ones rich.

          by frankzappatista on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:21:49 AM PST

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        •  It's a two-way street (1+ / 0-)
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          Right-wing radio broadcasts but they choose to listen. That's the sign of a slightly lesser human being to begin with.

  •  I said this on a conservative website, and OMG the (12+ / 0-)

    responses.  They all barked at me about minorities and handouts.  They really do view America through a racist prism in which white people contribute and brown people take.

    The wisdom of Bush's people in trying harder to reach out to Latinos?  Up in smoke.

  •  Lip service... (7+ / 0-)

    This is the post-mortem of a poorly run Romney campaign and a poorly equipped Republican party. They'll soon forget these little placating statements and go back to full-on xenophobia and thinly-disguised racism.

    Sorry, the GOP will need to go through a lot more than just one single cycle of electoral defeat, especially when they did just fine in the House after all that gerrymandering. Crush their Congressional majority and decrease their state legislature numbers and then maybe some of the GOP moderates will be able to make a case for a change in policy. Until then, we can look forward to Romney-speak... a lot of pretty sounding words and statements but absolutely no legislation or policy changes to back them up.

    The most dangerous... programs, from a movement conservative's point of view, are the ones that work the best and thereby legitimize the welfare state. Krugman

    by BasharH on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:18:46 AM PST

  •  Grayson for President! (4+ / 0-)
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    raincrow, speedingpullet, JayRaye, eps62

    What?  Too soon?

  •  The Tea Party tricked (7+ / 0-)

    Republicans in the mid-terms.  They mistook the birchers and cranks crawling out of the woodwork as some kind of rebirth, and instead it proved to be a death rattle.

    •  yep, I said this when the Tea Party first (1+ / 0-)
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      appeared and I said it again after they won the 2010 elections:

      The Tea Party is the Republican Party flaming out in a blaze of glorious crazy.

      And I still believe it, even in Texas where the voters just sent a Teabagging Crazy into the US Senate.

      OK, let's put the Crazy on full display for all to see. Then in 6 yrs perhaps Texas will have finally had enuf.

      Meanwhile, Democrats in Texas are organizing like they haven't organized in years. The political future of Texas could become very interesting in the next few years.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Voting Rights Martyrs

      by JayRaye on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:57:53 AM PST

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  •  t seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm excited. (3+ / 0-)
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    What they don't get is that no amount of finding people of color to stick in positions or in their advertisements is enough.

    Their platform is counter to what most people want in this country now. That's especially true of "minorities". And if they change that, then to their base they'd all be RINOs.

    Good luck with that. It seems like a recipe for disaster. I'm excited about that.

  •  But, but, Marco Rubio! (4+ / 0-)
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    eps62, JayRaye, mdmslle, MrJersey

    Yep, they're screwed.  The longer they wait for some type of minority outreach (real, not symbolic), Florida & Virginia go blue, and places like Arizona, Texas and Georgia start to turn purple.

    Obamacare! OMG! Socialism in the US! Time to move to Canada.

    by asm121 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:26:59 AM PST

  •  I'm suddenly very miserable. (10+ / 0-)

    The party of death and suffering has retaken both houses of the Wisconsin government.

    This means at least 2 more years of unfettered evil coming down from the state house.

    By 2014, we won't recognize this place -- it will be well on the way to becoming a northern Mississippi -- and I will be making working on my plans to move elsewhere.

    And they'll win again in 2014. If we couldn't beat them this year, how/when will we ever?

    How can people be this fucking stupid?

    Sorry guys. My state just voted for social suicide. You can get back to your gloating.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:27:02 AM PST

    •  Better state candidates can help. (4+ / 0-)
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      CocoaLove, ferg, Torta, JayRaye

      As Massachussetts showed with Scott Brown's win 2 years ago, being a Democrat isn't enough. You actually have to be a good candidate.

      Now I don't know these individual state races in Wisconsin, but that would be a place to start.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

      by JWK on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:31:03 AM PST

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    •  i feel your pain. I'm a legal FL resident. (2+ / 0-)
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      swampyankee, Vicky

      But here's the UPSIDE.

      It awakened the democratic party in my state. And woke up a lot of folks who only vote top of ticket in presidential years. Sometimes, people need to see the crazy close up and personal to understand the importance of fighting it fully every time.

      In FL, this election, there were 11 ballot measures hand crafted by the tea party legislature and rubber stamp governor. Of them, 8 we're defeated. The other three not as terrible. I'm 100% sure that were it not for the antics of the criminal Rick Scott and the evil legislature, the state party would be as weak as it's always been and those measures would have been approved.

      Take heart. Get organized. Use their crazy against them.

      For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

      by mdmslle on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:14:34 AM PST

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    •  I feel your pain (1+ / 0-)
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      I live in NC.

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:52:55 AM PST

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    •  Don't agonize, organize! (0+ / 0-)

      A society is judged by how well it cares for those in the dawn of life, the children. By how well it cares for those in the twilight of life, the elderly. And, by how well it cares for those on the edge of life; the poor, the sick, and the disabled.

      by BobBlueMass on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:47:12 AM PST

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  •  You know, the thing is... (5+ / 0-)

    ....that I think the Republican Party has actually recognized this for at least a decade. But the way they've gone about it is to put more makeup on their pigs. It very well may have worked again this year if some of the pigs hadn't thrown hissy-fits and not played along.

    No one ever created a vibrant economy by building houses for each other. Houses are built because there is a vibrant economy.

    by Doug in SF on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:27:52 AM PST

  •  One of the very very very few things (4+ / 0-)

    That George W. Bush was right about and that he had the political know how to do...peel off enough of the Hispanic vote.

    Jeb could do it and for that reason they really need Jeb Bush on the 2016 ballot and, today, he should be front and center.

    Too bad his last name is Bush and we all know this is George W.'s bro...right now, on this issue, the Republicans are FUCKED!

    •  Thankfully Marco Rubio (4+ / 0-)
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      Chitown Kev, JayRaye, mdmslle, MrJersey

      is loathed by many non-Cuban Latinos....and I even know some Miami Cubans who voted for Obama who despise Rubio.  

      I know Jeb used to have support - but the changed Latino demographic in FL may negate it - Puerto Ricans have no love for anything named Bush.  

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now". Rev. William Barber, If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

      by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:33:09 AM PST

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      •  and I doubt that the Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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        really want to wait for George P. ("the brown one")

        I don't know enough about Cruz in Texas or NM Governor Martinez to make an informed opinion about them, but they need something on the ballot (as with blacks, the Republicans didn't listen to Jack Kemp...he was actually talking about the ticking demographic time bomb in the 1990's)

      •  why is marco rubio disliked? that whole (0+ / 0-)

        coming over in a tub thing, or however he made up is coming to america story?

      •  What about the white Cuban/black Cuban split? (0+ / 0-)

        Is that relevant to Rubio's base of support? I have heard that the Cuban ex-pat community is very divided, socially and politically, along racial lines.

        We must believe in free will. We’ve got no choice. –Isaac Bashevis Singer

        by Ruthtopia on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:52:42 AM PST

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  •  I'm already seeing claims of voter fraud, to the (5+ / 0-)
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    milkbone, eps62, JayRaye, mdmslle, MrJersey

    tune of hundreds of thousands of votes, from the white fundamentalist Texan friends-of-friends on Facebook.

    Delusion is a very comfortable place to life, as long as you keep the shades down.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:28:55 AM PST

    •  Sort of on this topic... (0+ / 0-)

      There's a discussion on my Facebook feed about voter ID laws.  One woman insists that "illegals in California are voting en masse" and committing widespread voter fraud.  Anyone have a good fact-based resource I can use to counter this crap?

    •  It must have been Acorn and the three members of (1+ / 0-)
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      the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia that planned and perpetrated all of the voter fraud that re-elected the President.  Who else could it have been?

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:24:43 AM PST

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  •  One little comment from Redstate... (7+ / 0-)

    I had to steal, because it gave me that dizzy, through the looking glass feeling.

    One big problem is the Republican party has no agreed upon united vision, we've got establishment types working against conservatives of their own party. The Dems don't do this. They stick together. When will Republicans?
    •  Don't tell them (1+ / 0-)
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      angry marmot

      They may just adopt the herding cats metaphor!

      hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

      by Stuart Heady on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:43:14 AM PST

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    •  Hasta la vista, "Dems In Disarray"! (1+ / 0-)
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      Even when we were (as a party) fighting vigorously with each other in Spring 2008 about whether to nominate Barack or Hillary, that was in almost no way a fight about their positions on the issues.  It was personality appeal, biography/resume appeal, and demographic appeal.  We have never been so unified as a party in my lifetime.  

      Thanks, Dubya, this is part of your legacy.  It took leadership that god-awful to awaken enough of us, and you did it.

  •  yeah, well. Sucks to be them. If the GOP gave a (8+ / 0-)

    rat's ass about polls and facts, they wouldn't be in this position today, now would they?

    The "Party" can realize it all they want. The question is twofold:

    1 - how on earth to pivot so drastically without looking like assholes and

    2 - what to do about that brainwashed base of their who, despite what the "party knows", will have none of it?

    (that second question os really the kicker. insurmountable problem, IMO. They KEEP losing because of the extremist wing of the party - presidential races, senate races, house races...losing all around and yet...they won't or can't kill it).

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:30:16 AM PST

  •  idea (0+ / 0-)

    I have got a great idea for them.  They are so good at fomenting division in America, I suggest they try to rouse resentments between the minorities.  If only they can get the Hispanics and the white racists hating the Blacks, and the Evangelicals hating the gays, and the ignorant hating the intelligentsia, they can surely cobble a group together that can win some elections.

    •  seriously? (1+ / 0-)
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      Uh, good luck with that one.

      Then again, I think this strategy harkens back to the Willie Lynch model that kept black slaves divided post Reconstruction.

      Historians say this never happened. I'm not sure I agree. Besides, I don't think enough people of color trust GOP leaders to lead them down a fool-hardy path that is not in their best interest.

  •  until the party of bigotry (2+ / 0-)
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    and hate starts to walk the walk their talk will be nothing but cheap excuses and have no more depth then their concern for the average american.

  •  DUH! (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:32:07 AM PST

  •  I'm a white male (2+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago, eps62

    and the Republicans don't appeal to me.

    Its obvious that its already extremely difficult--and will only continue to be more so--for the GOP to win a national election without broadening their coalition.

    We are currently living through the greatest redistribution of wealth in our nation's history. The rich and the corporations are using their money and power to obtain even more money and power. We must fight back while there is still time.

    by Keep Oregon Blue on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:32:13 AM PST

  •  This is the coming War within the GOP (3+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago, angry marmot, eps62

    their own Civil War fought between those who want to cling to the antediluvian racist xenophobic values of the Confederacy as a matter of principle, and those who want to win elections.  

    This will be their 20 year internal battle.  They think pushing Marco Rubio out in front will repair the hatred and division within their own party, and it won't.  They have to fix what they broke.

    Democrats MUST MUST MUST address the issues of minority communities and women of all races - this is our future.  We must embrace the reality of our nation (attention Blue Dog Democrats) if we wish to remain able to lead.  

    The curious thing will be the impact of the truth of this elections demographics on business, on media, on what is "worth covering" "worth investing in"...

    "Out of Many, One." This is the great promise of our nation -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:32:43 AM PST

    •  Which to me does not include a sweeping Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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      compromise in which Republicans get 90% of what they want and progressives get 10%.  If we have to go over the fiscal cliff to get the zillionaires to pay their fair share of taxes, so be it.  And BTW, the capital gains tax rate is at 15% why???  So the Bain Capital types can stash their money in the Caymans and have a 14% tax rate when I am paying 38% on earnings?  

      Democrats have won decisively to make things change.  We will abide compromise, but not the type of compromise that we have seen in the first term.  The Republican obstructionists must be broken.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:36:27 AM PST

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      •  So be it? (0+ / 0-)

        If you have a tax rate of 38%, you are doing very well in this economy.  You can afford the loss of a safety net that the poor and the vulnerable will lose that going over the fiscal cliff will entail.  

        Bluster and braggadocio works on anonymous blogs but is simply an impediment to reasoned governance in a divided nation.  

        We won an enormous electoral college victory.  We are turning traditional red states blue.  We added to our Senate majority.  We stuck the Republs with some losses in their ruling House majority.  We have momentum.  We own the demographic future. But I think it is error to translate that into an overwhelming governing mandate.  This isn't poker, the impacts that led to our victory aren't a secret, they can see our hand, and we can see theirs.

        "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:39:07 AM PST

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        •  Yes, my wife and I are doing well in this economy (0+ / 0-)

          but almost all of our income is from earnings, which we work hard for.  I have no qualms about the 38% and want a greater safety net.  No one was more supportive of the public option than me.

          My point was that those who get their income from capital gains are paying 15% on those earnings.  What is the difference between earnings and capital gains income and why is it treated differently?  It has be pretty well proven that the a great deal of the capital gains cash is stashed offshore and not being used by the "job creators" for any real economic expansion.

          I will gladly pay my fair share to promote equality, but I want Mitt Romney and his ilk to pay exactly what I am paying, because he is doing much better than I am in this economy.  That's my point

          And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

          by MrJersey on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:11:45 AM PST

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  •  We have to make ... (5+ / 0-)

    the House portion of Republicans small enough to drown in a bathtub.

  •  The Republican party is over (2+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago, eps62

    The poisonous brew of oligarchs, theocrats, racists, randians and neo-cons has been thrown down the drain by the people, in spite of their mountains of money and hate.

    A new Republican party may emerge but these neo-Know Nothings will quickly fade into history.

    America can now move on into the 21st Century and deal with such things as global warming, education, health care and yes deficits (by sunsettng Bush's tax cuts and controlling arms and military spending, I mean what are we doing in Germany and Japan anyway?)

    A strong and diverse America with justice and freedom and prosperity will now become a reality.

    I am so happy!

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:33:43 AM PST

  •  You think? How perceptive of them... (0+ / 0-)

    Funny how poll after poll showing the GOP would finish second, they'd be in total denial, maintain their direction despite ALL the signs and blame bad numbers on the messengers.

    Then they wake up and, guess what, the numbers match the polls (well, with the exception of Rasmussen's...).

    In the word of a Homer: D'OH!!

    There is a difference between unwavering effort and stupid stubbornness...

  •  Likely it will be a soft demise of the GOP.. (0+ / 0-)

    as more Independent candidates appear on the scene...unable to fully commit to the Democratic tent, but too embarrassed to be in the racist Republican party.

    Republican brand is likely soiled beyond redemption.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

    by JWK on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:35:00 AM PST

  •  I Don't Think.... (3+ / 0-)
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    speedingpullet, ferg, eps62

    the GOP will change their racist, bigoted, backwards thinking ways.  Not until the folks at the top who hold those views die off.  They are the ones who hold the reins of power and they are unlikely to let go anytime soon, even for the good of their party.

  •  uh, no (4+ / 0-)

    "Our party needs to realize that it’s too old and too white and too male and it needs to figure out how to catch up with the demographics of the country before it’s too late,"

    Uh, no. What your party needs to do is to show leadership skills, plans, solutions, integrity and honor, and quit worrying about demographics. People will vote for an honest man with a clear plan. And Mitt was neither, and you guys were too blinded by ideology to see that. And you probably still are.

    "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

    by azureblue on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:37:43 AM PST

  •  But they won't become more inclusive. (3+ / 0-)
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    speedingpullet, eps62, MrJersey

    The GOP will do its soul searching and decide Romney wasn't conservative enough, and all they need to do is purge their party of the weaklings and convert tens of millions of people (including women and the blahs) to the Tea Party philosophy so they will vote GOP next time.

    And we will smash them again.

    The GOP is too mentally ill to make rational decisions.  They are going to get worse and worse until they are strictly a regional, Southern rural party.

  •  California is the model of the GOP future (7+ / 0-)

    GOP there has been an ideological purity party for nearly 20 years, and generates right wing candidates in primaries who get their asses kicked in the general election (Arnold Schwartzenegger was an isolated phenomenon--and the GOP came to hate him!)

    Now the Dems have a supermajority in the legislature.

    Hasta la vista, baby

  •  One Lesson From This Election (2+ / 0-)
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    JayRaye, eps62

    Rape is not a winning issue.

  •  The real problem for the GOP, in truth (2+ / 0-)
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    eps62, Torta

    is that for forty years or more there has been a HUGE and very profound effort to forge a coalition which at the center is funded by a marriage of convenience over special interests trying to keep the clock turned back.

    What they have done is spend decades - a half a century - building a coalition based on pandering to people who would rather be lied to than face reality, who hide behind intellectual bankruptcy, every bigot no matter how insane, and all those who can't understand basic civics and are afraid of society at large.  

    They Built That.  

    So, how can that we turned away from when it has come to depend on the backwardism and the dark side of American culture in order to be an alternative?

    They can begin by being less hateful.  But that only begins to change some of the spots on this cat.  

    I think we need to be aware that we dodged a bullet here.

    The plutocrats who funded all this mishmash are not going to quit.  This is the result of an organized effort that has a lot of momentum behind it.  Leaders within the GOP will not be entirely able to turn this around in four years, or eight, or sixteen...

    We have to be better organized intellectually in order to find ways to engage the public at large in a better dialogue about what is important.  If we don't this situation will be repeated over and over again.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:40:26 AM PST

  •  They appeal only to racists and religious fascists (6+ / 0-)

    I'm a white male who makes 6 figures.  By all GOP reasoning, I should vote Republican.  But I don't.

    I reject Christian Sharia Law - the abortion bans, gay marriage bans and birth control bans.  The GOP does not speak to God for me.

    I recognize that there is no free market in healthcare and it cannot be regulated as such.

    I reject the anti-science brigade and the demonizing of critical thought.

    The GOP position is even worse than it appears.  It's not that they appeal only to whites or white men.  They appeal only to ignorant, backwards racist, religious fascist whites.  Sane, educated whites like myself see nothing of value in the GOP.

    •  And they're not going back either. I expect that (0+ / 0-)

      Santorum will be their next nominee and out here in the central Illinois corn desert the crazy party elected plenty of nutcase anti-science fundy types.

  •  To the extent these guys reach out... (2+ / 0-)
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    Over the Edge, IndyReader

    to Latinos, African Americans, the under 30 crowd, etc. at all, how much of it is simply going to involve saying "You people can start businesses too" or some such condescending thing?  Maybe they even say it in Spanish sometimes?

  •  Why All The Focus On What The Republican Party (0+ / 0-)

    needs to do to expand their base?

    I say encourage them to continue shrinking with their embrace of bigots far and wide.

    Kooks such as Michelle Bachmann, Tood Akin, Goofus Moordick.

    The Republican Party is Simply a Coalition of Greed and Hate

    by kerplunk on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:46:17 AM PST

  •  Irritated by spin that "the country has changed" (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes, the country has changed. It is moving slowly in a demographically leftward direction, if you want to characterize all the changes in a political paradigm. But what these asshats STILL don't seem to get, is that at the same time the country has been changing, they pointed the vehicle hard right and stomped on the gas. They didn't 'stay the course' -- they went offroading.

    Now now...perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything.

    by aunttora on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:47:59 AM PST

  •  If they start appealing to minorities (2+ / 0-)
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    eps62, Ruthtopia

    they'll lose the racist vote.  And that's a major part of their base!  If they appeal to gays and support abortion rights they'll lose the evangelical vote, which is another major part of their base.

    They've painted themselves into a corner.  They can't broaden their appeal without losing the narrow minded, superstitious bigots they have helped create.  

    They should read Frankenstein; it doesn't end well for the doctor.

    Can't we just drown Grover Norquist in a bathtub?

    by Rezkalla on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:48:17 AM PST

  •  the Grand Old white party is dying (1+ / 0-)
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    every year more will die (Me included) it they swing to the middle,where will the racist & the TEA party go ?

  •  From the party of personal responsibility - (0+ / 0-) -
    30 Reasons Republicans Lost The Election

    "1. They Allowed Democrats To Pick Their Nominee For Them. "


    I was really hoping that Michelle Bachmann would have been the Republican nominee. It would have been a much more interesting race.

    Romney: Stubborn, dumb, dishonest, predictable, responds poorly to pressure, and for sale. What''s not to like?

    by tomwfox on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:49:48 AM PST

  •  Here's the problem... (4+ / 0-)

     Even when/if the leaders of the GOP figure out that they have a problem, their ideas to fix it will just as comical.  They are way too shallow in their thought process when it comes to stuff like this.  Their idea for outreach to minorities and younger votes will be to throw a gold chain and some fresh Nike's on their elephant logo, or have Boehner and McConnell cut a rap album.  They are just clueless when it comes to reaching out.  The "binders full of women" comment was a microcosm of just how out of touch they are.  As an African American I can tell you that the problem has never been about their image, but their policies. They are mostly skewed towards the rich and powerful and those who have had generations of family success.  I grew up poor and now I'm in the top 2-3% in household income. I've seen both sides of the economic field.  Cutting my taxes would be great.  I would prefer to pay zero in taxes if I could but that's not how America works.  It's not socialism for me to pay a little more so that we can fund infrastructure projects, or hire more teachers or help people better afford a college education.  It's providing a  shoulder to help someone behind me or beside me climb up the ladder and become successful and not have to worry about being on government assistance or having kids almost go hungry just because they also need school shoes and a coat.  That's the core fundamental that the GOP doesn't understand.  Their thoughts are that if I made it, or my dad made it, or my grandfather made it by striking deals at the local country club or golf course then why can't everyone else unless it’s just that they don't want to succeed but just want to be dependent on government.  It's a flawed mentality and one in which remains their core belief then they will continue to see their approval amongst minorities crater.

    •  Basically, the current crop is too dumb (1+ / 0-)
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      to figure any of this out. The question is whether they will be replaced by a new movement.

      When I look at the California GOP, it seems we know the answer: even after the electorate has utterly transformed, they hang on to their tea bags and make themselves irrelevant.

      Perhaps the parties of the future will simply be progressive dems and conservative dems. And maybe that's where the new republicans come from: the right-hand side of the democratic party.

  •  Michael Murphy was right on. (0+ / 0-)

    Basically, this should have been a shelling for the Dems, but his party failed to reach out to a broader segment of people.  More or less, they need to do some soul searching and there is going to be a GOP civil war.  Dude was eloquent and pointed blame right where it needed to be pointed.  The GOP itself.

    In what should have been a referendum on Obama turned into a referendum on the GOP itself.  The new voting power is the minority and youth vote.  The fact that Dems are going to make gains in this economy is very, very telling.  

    Keep the faith and walk the path.

    by TheStormofWar on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:50:39 AM PST

  •  I strenuously object to meme in diary title! (3+ / 0-)
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    eps62, deadinthewater, Diana in NoVa


    I'm white as a pink lily and the Republicans did nothing to appeal to me!

    Draw the demographic spilt somewhere else please, other than pink/brown.

    Non Mason Dixon/Mason Dixon?


  •  Please do NOT be fooled here. (2+ / 0-)
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    eps62, IndyReader

    They have learned nothing from this defeat.   Absolutely nothing.

    The Republican hunt for black/latino votes is only going to get discussed for the next 1-2 months, at a maximum.   3 months from election day they will be back to their old ways, wildly swinging their fists in the air and screaming that "blacks want free stuff!" and "illegals need to be deported!".    The Tea Party simply will not tolerate anything else.

  •  Oh my god! Math? (1+ / 0-)
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    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:54:24 AM PST

  •  Lots of Republican see Hispanics (1+ / 0-)
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    As the one that does thier lawn , babysit thier children , pick thier vegetable ,but never could see them  as thier friends ,  neighbors or fellow citizens

  •  Here's a nice post-election video (0+ / 0-)

    of Barney and Charles Barkley, sort of a recap for last night.

  •  I saw this comment on (2+ / 0-)
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    angry marmot, eps62

    "I'm watching the coverage on Fox (because it's way more fun to watch Karl Rove have a breakdown) and they're looking at the electoral map and said I shit you not " it looks like all the areas of the country with higher education and growing economies are voting democrat" . Welcome to the party Fox news, welcome to the party. "

    I didn't see this, I can not, physically, watch Fox.

    A man's character is his destiny.

    by Jaleh on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:57:25 AM PST

  •  Ssssssssshhhh! Don't help them! (1+ / 0-)
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    Repeat after me:

    "Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough".

    "The Obama Administration has been an unmitigated disaster" - Osama Bin Laden

    by Explorer8939 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:00:18 AM PST

  •  Too good not to share (0+ / 0-)

    The Left Says I Wear a Tinfoil Hat

    This is the guy who said Nate was thin and effeminate and therefore not accurate.

    We get what we want - or what we fail to refuse. - Muhammad Yunus

    by nightsweat on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:02:15 AM PST

  •  It's not so black and ... (0+ / 0-)

    Aren't there also a lot of divisions within the "white" vote -- not only by age, but by ethnicity, Jewish voters, Italian Americans (who share some cultural aspects with Latinos), and then there's the different generations. I mean, it's clear that Obama lost the aged, Anglo, Clint Eastwood vote. At the same time, he won some pretty "white" states (Vermont anybody?) quite handily. So, there's a lot more to the story, though the general concept is correct.

  •  alas, a few idiots in my state learned nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    Glad this wasn't in my town.  Even conservatives at work are embarrassed by what these assholes did.

    The good thing is, the backlash against them is big, and they're seeing how ashamed everyone is at their behavior... and it's going to demoralize them even further.  Which is what the far-right desperately needs.  They need to have the guts ripped out of them so they understand that their old bullshit isn't going to be tolerated anymore.  That day is done.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:06:14 AM PST

  •  "Whites" is too diverse to appeal to all of them: (1+ / 0-)
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    This is the entire point about appealing to whites only: the R party isn't appealing to all whites, just some.    Written off are single white women, gay and lesbian whites, liberal and moderate whites, atheist whites, and on and on.

    The appeal to whiteness doesn't go so far, once the Republicans are done shitting on a person in every other way.

    "Binder? I just met her!"

    by Inland on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:06:50 AM PST

    •  and other races and cultures aren't? (2+ / 0-)
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      shanikka, grover

      whites are the only ones to be diverse such that you have to appeal to a very wide swath of them...

      Let me let you in on a little secret.

      Other races/ethnicities are just as diverse. What does unites "us" is the color of or skin/ethnicity/sex/sexual orientation (and even then, not all of the time).

      BUt attacking black or brown people solely for racial reasons and/or LGBTs soleley for homophobic do serve to unite.

      •  It doesn't matter if they are or aren't. (0+ / 0-)

        The situations where one even wants to make a racial appeal NOT to whites are few and far between, and then you have one city, one congressional district, where the racial subgroup is homogenous in other ways.  

        Nationally, and our parties are national, the thinking is that whites are the most numerous and most powerful, ergo, Rs go with whites.  It's just not working.

        BUt attacking black or brown people solely for racial reasons and/or LGBTs soleley for homophobic do serve to unite.  

        Sure, it unites racists and homophobes and not whites as a group.  That's my point, and that's why the R appeal to whiteness isn't getting a united white front.  It's too diverse a group.

        "Binder? I just met her!"

        by Inland on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:14:21 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's not what I'm talking about (3+ / 0-)
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          AoT, shanikka, grover

          I'm talking about the tendency of many whites (even liberals) to lump blacks into one group and to act as if there is no dgreat and wide diversity within that group.

          But racist attacks will unify black and brown people in spite of our difference (i.e. churched blacks vs. non-churched blacks or...Puerto Ricans vs. Cubans vs. Mexicans

  •  GOP introspection is about tactics, not philosophy (2+ / 0-)
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    eps62, Vicky

    They're going to spend their time muttering about what kind of ads they should have run and which speakers to put on the podium and garbage like that, analyzing the tactical nitty gritty without looking at the basic problem of philosophy that they have. You cannot be both laissez-faire with respect to the economic prospects of your citizens and preachy and heavy-handed with respect to their private behavior and decision. Identity politics in the GOP's eyes was about dividing up spoils or not dividing up spoils, not doing things that ALL people want, like getting a good job, sending their kids to college, or having security in retirement. Without getting a pat-down and being asked for your #)@ing papers. If they start changing to appeal to the basic humanity of everybody, the "Latino problem" goes away.

    But they won't, because the circular firing squad mentality will persist.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:08:29 AM PST

  •  NOt just about "whites" (1+ / 0-)
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    The problem is they aren't JUST trying to appeal to white people, but only a small subsection of white people they think will propel them to victory.  Specifically rich, white, powerful MEN who care more about greed andexploitation than what is best for the country as a whole.  

    To get support (ie. money) from this wealthy group, the republicans need to pass policies that go against the needs and best interests of the vast majority of americans.  In order to win elections, they need to appeal to a majority despite their harmful public policies, so they try to appeal to those most likely to vote against their own interests...the scared, ignorant, closed-minded, angry and hateful and/or bigoted.  The racists and mysogynists.  And of course, those who still put ideals ahead of reality and don't understand that the policies define the party, not some ideal from 50 years ago.

    While I amdisparaging a whole group of people, it is true. But in order to keep these people on the hook and voting against their interests, the party needs to keep doubling down on their own extremism.  Keep making new excuses for why their policies fail the people.  Keep insisting reality is biased against them and delving deeper into conspiracies of how everyone is against them and everyone is stupid but them.spinning reality so it fits their claims.  

    This isn't about appeaking to non-whites.  This is about appealing to the wants and needs of the majority...the reality-based majority that don't care about the rich getting richer and vote for their own interests.

  •  Karmic payback for the southern strategy (0+ / 0-)

    "We hate you but we want your votes."

  •  Please clarify about "appealing" (0+ / 0-)

    I'm picturing Republican appeals to non-whites as PR and advertising blitz.

    Or does "appealing to" include actually viewing non-whites as equals? As worthy of being given equal rights, equal pay for equal work, equal opportunities......You know, DIGNITY and full consideration?

    Or does 'appealing to' mean opening the trickle down faucet just a wee bit more so that the non-whites can feel lightly wetted instead of just annoyingly sprinkled on?

  •  Yeah, how about that "Dems are unenthusiastic" (0+ / 0-)

    thing?  The talking heads who said that shoulda been standing in line with the rest of us yesterday.  Yeah, so unenthusiastic my state of Virginia had to extend the poll closing time by several hours!

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:24:53 AM PST

  •  Does anybody have a chart of white voters by age? (0+ / 0-)

    I know Obama lost both the white male and female votes overall...but I feel that the younger whites must have gone for Obama.  (And I do know that many older white people voted for Obama as well...thanks to those who did!)  And to have that explicitly laid out in a chart spells the complete doom of the GOP - already the white vote is not enough to counter non-whites, but if dominance among whites can be shown to also be aging itself out, then the GOP really is going to be nothing more than a small rump party.

  •  I don't see how Republicans are going to change. (0+ / 0-)

    It may be true that they are going to have to appeal to more voters, but in order to do that they're going to have to change what they stand for.  So many of them believe that crap about how 47% of the population is lazy and feels like victims and I don't see how that changes.  The Democrats right now are really very centrist, the R's don't have much space to move left without becoming Democrats with a different name.  

  •  Pleasant thought... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...but it was really the white male rust-belters that won the election for Obama. Of course, the GOP would have helped themselves had they a platform that appealed more to females and minorities but at least in this election, white male rust-belters realized that voting for lower taxes on the rich, cutting social programs that feed the economy from the bottom, and the macho lure of doing everything on your own is just plain against their own interest.

    •  Thank You (0+ / 0-)

      There are so many millions of white males as are noted in these comments who have compassion, critical thinking skills, and vote Democratic.  As does this middle aged white grandmother.  A coalition of all Americans of all colors, both sexes, and sexual preferences voted Barack Obama into office for a second term...but when Ohio came in, when we knew that President Obama had been re-elected, and Karl Rove simply could not believe it, it was because white male rust belters came down with us.  It was a moment in a tapestry of beautiful differences and heartfelt commonalities that joined together to elect more women to Congress than any time in history; vote for historic LGBT human rights and social justice, drive a couple of nails into the insane, resource draining, cartel empowering "War On Drugs" and re-elect President Obama. I love the America I woke up in this morning.

      "The work begins anew. The hope rises again. And the dream lives on." Senator Ted Kennedy, the man whose dream is still my compass point.

      by FightForJustice on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 06:09:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I saw this title and imagined a GOP restaurant (0+ / 0-)

    Where only white foods are allowed in the recipes. Not even non-white spices

  •  On the Rubio issue ... (1+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z

    It is projection. They believe that a significant number of Latinos would vote for just any Latino. Just as any woman would vote for any woman.

    Because they do practice identity politics. Large parts of their base will vote for white men just because they are white men. So they assume that is the sheer motivation for blacks, Latinos, Asians and women. Not policy. Not likeability. Not a sense of caring about other people. Just: "Oh, look, it's a black guy, off to the polls."

    Leadership probably wanted to see Herman Cain, because black America would have flocked to the polls in support of the guy. Right?

    by Magenta on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:23:17 AM PST

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