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  •  I agree with you (3+ / 0-)
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    ffour, Manny, Check077

    I've been wanting her since 2004. BUT, im telling you this post wont be taken well on this site. This site has a history of hating hillary...

    •  they might look more kindly at her now (4+ / 0-)

      that Obama has won a second term, and there is no further possibility of their being in direct competition.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:02:04 AM PST

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    •  That's not true. We were deeply divided... (9+ / 0-)

      but I think many here would be thrilled to have Hillary as a follow up to Obama.

      Corporations are driven by the bottom line, not by concerns for health, safety or the environment. This is why we need government regulations.

      by the dogs sockpuppet on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:04:31 AM PST

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    •  Oh, baloney. (9+ / 0-)

      I was as ticked off at Clinton during the 2008 marathon as anyone (except perhaps Keith Olbermann). And on policy grounds I'm not super-jazzed at the notion of her as the standard-bearer for the party.

      But I think both the nomination and the White House are basically hers for the taking, and (as long as she doesn't catch Triangulation Fever from her husband) I can see myself being more than okay with that.

      •  Bill Clinton (0+ / 0-)

        did bad things to the Northwest. I have worked hard to get my little republican home town to trust the democrats. Hillary as the democratic nominee would blow all of that up. In fact even I wouldn't

        It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

        by PSWaterspirit on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:06:38 AM PST

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    •  That's not true. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Oh, I didn't know that.... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...I'm fairly new to this site. Geez.  After all Bill did to help President Obama to get re-elected, I'd hope that sentiment against Hillary would change. Hmmm...I always supported Obama from my first donation in April 2007 (heck, I even have an Obama '08 T-shirt with no Biden on it as I got it in April 2007), but Hillary has paid her dues and it is time...

    •  Hillary hate off this site (1+ / 0-)
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      A large part of my objection to her in the 2008 primaries was the degree of hate off this site. It was a certainty that any Republican leaning voter was going to be willing to crawl 10 miles on broken glass to vote against her. I don't think there would be that much anger toward her now. Her husband has been off the political stage long enough, she's done a creditable job as SOS, and her name no longer gets spat out by people the way Pelosi's still is. I may be wrong though, they might turn the fire up if she was seriously running for election.

      "...you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem." Mitt Romney

      by Catte Nappe on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:35:12 AM PST

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      •  They would. (1+ / 0-)
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        Check077

        She'd thump them anyway.

        (She's not allowed to hire Mark Penn, though. He's Loser City.)

        •  Agree, especially on the Mark Penn... (1+ / 0-)
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          Jeremimi

          Listen, Hillary needs to get some young people on her staff (not the old Clinton people) but more like David Axelrod and David Plouffe and Valerie Jarrett.

          I think the Black woman who finshed off her campaign would be a good start. Mark Penn? I'm sorry but he needs to stay away unless he taking orders from David Plouffe or someone like him.

          She needs to keep the concilliatory tone and positve aspect of her personality. Let the her supporters see through any mainstream.

          Also, her vice presidential choice should be a minority (Black or Latino or some biracial person) with no baggage (preferably a young man).

    •  Not as I Recall (2+ / 0-)
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      Uncle Moji, Argyrios

      The site was pretty divided until the race was effectively over but Hillary wouldn't concede.  She lost points for dragging out the battle to no purpose, but not until then.

      If Hillary wants to run I think she gets the nomination by acclimation.  It will be a parade rather than a primary.  She has said some things about not running, but lately I've been wondering if she announced her departure as Secretary of State so that she would be free to campaign.

    •  No, please. Here's why: (3+ / 0-)

      I wasn't a Hillary supporter in '08 because I believe that "the Clinton Way" was an anti-progressive path for Democrats -- to triangulate and try to co-opt Republican positions, to try to curry favor with right-wing power-brokers like Murdoch and Scaife, McCain and Lieberman.  It involved too many back-door compromises and the throwing of important constituencies under the bus for political expediency (e.g. Don't Ask Don't Tell, DOMA, etc.).

      But I believe that the Obama team (with a lot of progressive help) has firmly established a more honest and principled path for Democrats and a strong, progressive party platform.  At the same time, Hillary has further established her own real skills, accomplishments and experience (and Bill has returned to the talents that make him a valuable Democrat).  I think she is, and can continue to be, part of this better Democratic path.

      So I will be happy to support Hillary as the standard bearer...

      BUT NOT YET -- PLEASE!

      This is a crucial, historic moment for achieving long-awaited accomplishments under this remarkable president who no longer needs to look over his shoulder at re-election.  We need to capitalize on this -- it is the holy grail moment in American politics.

      We need to halt the eternal campaigning process and organize and agitate to make important, progressive gains during this fleeting period.  Turning immediately to the media-spin-celebrity horserace noise will do nothing but make the president into a de facto lame duck, unable to drive his agenda because no one is paying attention any longer.

      Please proceed, Governor.

      by vivadissent on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:24:23 AM PST

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  •  let the 2016 speculation begin (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure Hillary wants to run.

  •  No. (3+ / 0-)

    Hillary will be Reagan's age upon a run.   I don't think she has a line at it.   She may run, but I'm betting either Cuomo or someone else will make a run with more money and a better infrastructure

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 09:57:51 AM PST

  •  I'm at a loss (1+ / 0-)
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    to figure out who the non-Hillary (or Biden) bench is exactly? Cuomo? O'Malley? Who else???

    For that matter, what are likely options for Our Friends at Redstate? I just can't see Jeb going for it. I honestly can't tell whether Ryan has some sort of "sympathy" going on for giving it a try, as one pundit put it, "he has more support inside the beltway than outside." My bet is on Santorum consolidating his Iowa support now - not in the months ahead, or after 2014, but N-O-W!

  •  agree but lets allow her the 2 yr vacay she wants (5+ / 0-)

    after leaving State Dept.....before having to hit the ground running

    otherwise

    Hillary POTUS/ Julian Castro vp 2016

    •  PS wangts = and she rightly deserves (0+ / 0-)

      heck, let her vacay / rest a bit so she can pressure Chelsea to giver her some grand kids soon :-P

      •  Oh lord, if there's one thing I don't see Hilary (1+ / 0-)
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        doing it's pressuring her daughter to have kids whether her daughter is ready or not, just so she can have grandkids.  I strongly suspect that's a decision Hilary will leave completely up to Chelsea and her husband.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:19:20 AM PST

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    •  DEMonrat - Hilary needs a rest (1+ / 0-)
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      Check077

      And I actually believe her when she states that she has no further interest in elected politics. However, let's see how she feels after a year of being out of the pressure cooker. She might change her mind. It has certainly been a long term goal of the Clinton's to be the first husband and wife Presidents.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:48:03 AM PST

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  •  I'm for it - and I'm one of the ones (6+ / 0-)

    who had real issues with her and her team in 2008.

    Water under the bridge and all that.

    So count me in.

  •  No way. (1+ / 0-)
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    I thought she was the best candidate for 2008.  She won't be the best candidate for 2016. And that's leaving aside her age by that point.  

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:02:57 AM PST

    •  Why not? (5+ / 0-)

      I think she'd be a great candidate in 2016. Americans remember how strong the Clinton economy was in the 90s, and many will feel that she has earned it by serving int he Senate and as SOS.

      •  If over 8 years we haven't discovered other... (0+ / 0-)

        ...people in our party who could be President, we're a pretty crummy party if you ask me.  2008 was her moment because she promised (by virtue of who she was, more than by what she said) a repudiation of Republicanism, and that won't work in 2016 because they'll be a party eight years out of power.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:25:03 AM PST

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  •  Sorry, I'll be agitating for Michelle Obama ... (1+ / 0-)
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    the dogs sockpuppet

    I want to see the Obamas stay in the White House another 8 years, at least.

    •  How awesome would that be! (0+ / 0-)

      Corporations are driven by the bottom line, not by concerns for health, safety or the environment. This is why we need government regulations.

      by the dogs sockpuppet on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:07:18 AM PST

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    •  Not going to happen. Michelle has never held (1+ / 0-)
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      wuod kwatch

      office of any kind.  And Americans aren't real keen on keeping one family in power too long at a time.  If she ran for senate or something and served there for a few years, so there was a break in the Obama time frame, I'd say she'd have an excellent shot though.

      I've never seen or heard that she's particularly politically motivated, though, so I'm doubting that'll happen either.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:22:06 AM PST

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    •  Yeah, but Michelle Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      wuod kwatch

      really does not like politics all that much...

      Although she could probably win the Senate seat in Illinois from Mark Kirk in 2016...then again, I think that Lisa Madigan can too.

  •  It is hers (5+ / 0-)

    As one of the strongest Obama supporters in a part of the country that went for Hillary, I did not think she would be a good candidate in 2008.

    It would be hers if she wants it.and it would be one more historic step forward in this country: the first woman President.

    Think about the two surrogates should would have: Bill and Barack!

    It is still too early.  If anyone knows how much being President takes, she does.

    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.

    by MoDem on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:10:00 AM PST

  •  2016 (0+ / 0-)

    Clinton/Dean 2016

    Back to the 50 state strategy.  It works.  More and better Democrats in every race.

  •  am aboard that train, with one caveat... (5+ / 0-)

    ...while my preference at this stage would be for Hillary in 2016, we, first, have a giant hurdle in two years: another off-year election. As you're likely aware, key Democratic constituent groups are historically prone to simply not turn out during off-year elections. It's one of the factors that led to the 2010 election debacle.

    Question: Is there something we and Hillary can and should start doing now, strategically, to begin mobilizing in 2014 as a part of laying the foundation for the 2016 campaign?

    It seems to me that we Democrats need to try to better organize and mobilize ourselves and our key constituencies during off-year elections.

    President Obama has done a brilliant job of putting an effective ground game into operation in presidential years. Too bad we couldn't duplicate that, even to some extent, during "off-year" elections.

  •  I just don't see her running (7+ / 0-)

    I love Hillary, but I'd like to get someone else run. I don't like the idea of political dynasties, and as much as I like Hillary, I really detest the people she surrounds herself with when she's campaigning.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:13:27 AM PST

  •  It's fun to speculate, but wait a couple of years (1+ / 0-)
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    BlueDragon

    She may decide not to run. She got quite a taste of the stress that comes with the job in her current role. It's not out of the question that she decides she'd rather retire and travel the world for fun.

    In two years, we could very well be discussing someone else that rises to the top for one reason or another if Hillary decides not to run.

  •  i'm not for it (3+ / 0-)
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    I thought we just worked our hearts out to gut the Blue Dog congressional caucus, we don't need Hillary and the DLC back in action.  Besides, she had huge negatives in 2008 and I don't think those will be gone.  And she has done no favors as SoS in Latin America so look for flaccid Latino vote.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:14:08 AM PST

  •  I was ADAMANTLY anti-Hillary in '08 (1+ / 0-)
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    Jeremimi

    only to bitterly regret my vitriol for her candidacy. If I could turn back time, I would have supported her in '08. I was mistaken about her, and I would love nothing more than to see her run in 2016. I would get behind her candidacy 110% if she jumped into the race in 2016.

    "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

    by michael1104 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:15:04 AM PST

  •  It's Way Too Early (7+ / 0-)

    First, I'd like to get some sleep.  Maybe for a month or two.

    Second, we have midterm elections to worry about.  

    Third, I'm not sure Hillary wants to run, or is necessarily the best choice.  

    Fourth, the sooner you start the 2016 talk, the sooner you turn President Obama into a lame-duck.  How about we try governing for a while first?

  •  I think it would be great! I think she's one (1+ / 0-)
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    Check077

    dem that's very likely to win, granted it's extremely early - like, as early as it can get - to speculate.

    But after 8 years of Obama, economy will be better and I think she'd have a easy way in with the respect and approval she's earned as part of this story. Other dems might be starting from almost 0 and be susceptible to being defined by a young GOPer like Rubio.

  •  All for it, but let her have her break for now. (1+ / 0-)
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    Check077

    We have work to do. The best thing we can do to get her elected in 2016, should she run, is get the economy on firmer ground and get done what needs to get done.

  •  The era of 70 year olds (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, indie17

    running the country is over.  Did you see last night?

    Not being ageist, just saying the future is in 40 to 50 year olds with relevant experience.

    The "Greatest Generation"  and the "Culture Movement"  are last century and cannot connect to the changing and younger demographics that will dictate our politics from here on in.

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:16:24 AM PST

  •  Folks lets get through 2014 first (3+ / 0-)
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    polecat, politicalceci, Check077

    The teabaggers are going to try and do what we did in 2006. Right now, our focus should be on making sure that does not happen.

    Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

    by Bobs Telecaster on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:17:11 AM PST

  •  she'll run (0+ / 0-)

    because Bill Clinton's hunger for personal vindication remains insatiable even after all these years. He still feels the need to prove to the world that he's the poor boy made good, to be assured that the whole world forgives all his transgressions.

    He still wants everyone's love, and he's still obsessed with winning over those people whom he thinks don't love him.

    And a Hillary presidency would be the ultimate vindication of his legacy, and yet another proof of universal love and forgiveness.

    By this point, he may want a Hillary 2016 campaign even more than she does.

    He still wants it--the limelight, and the love.

    He wouldn't be who he is, would never have become president, if his ego were capable of letting it go.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:18:05 AM PST

  •  I'm ordinarily not in favor of Royal Families... (4+ / 0-)
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    or similar.  I think it's bad for our democracy when we do that.  

    Now, that being said?  GO HILLARY!!!  Afterall, my guess is we will get another Clinton vs. Bush (Jeb) election in 2016.  I want to see Jeb lose to Hillary sooooooooo bad.  

    "Now if people got problems and they got problems with people oh yeah I know what it is to be there." - DW

    by ScantronPresident on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:18:33 AM PST

  •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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    indie17

    Hillary is really, really smart.  She has been tireless as SOS.  We all owe Bill a huge "thank you" (which Barack gave him immediately after Mitt's phone call) . . . but for me, even though it is absolutely unfair to Hillary, having another Clinton sounds too much like "another Bush" . . . that is it smacks of inherited authority.  I know, I know.  It isn't inherited.  And as I said, unfair to her . . . but I think it would not be the best choice for the country.
        Besides, she richly deserves a rest.   Supreme court maybe?

  •  You need a willing candidate first... (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, ferg

    ...and all indications seem to be that after 20 years on the biggest stage in politics, she wants to be finished with it.

    Are you sure she wants to run?

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:27:42 AM PST

  •  I am for hillary and warner 4 veep (0+ / 0-)
  •  I will NOT vote for Hillary (2+ / 0-)
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    pigpaste, SDuvall

    I appreciate her good works in the world, especially her advocacy to improve the lives of the women of the world.
    I have respect for her for her good works.
    But I just don't like her. It's a deep in my gut type of I don't like her.
    Sorry, that's just the way it is.
    You can't 'reason' me into liking her.
    I voted for 5 female candidates this election (all winners I'm happy to report).
    But i will NOT vote for Hillary.
    Sorry, that's just the way it is.
    Please don't make me vote against a Dem candidate for Pres. in 2016 dems.
    Seriously, Please, Don't.

    •  Well, I respect your opinion.... (1+ / 0-)
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      dennis1958

      but if she does win in 2016 I'm hoping you'll change your mind in 2020.

      Also, Hillary can always run for one-term and let the Castro guy take over for 2020 when Texas would have a good chance of turning blue.

  •  Lets go...Hillary (0+ / 0-)

    Didn't support her in 2008 only because the time was not right and I fell in love with Obama. I respect and love Hillary now because she has come into her own and she has been an extraordinary Sec. State. I will be behind her 200% +

  •  Can't we have a single day (4+ / 0-)
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    to enjoy what happened last night before we start talking about 2016?

    Ah, I'm such a dreamer.

  •  Not interested. (4+ / 0-)

    But she gets huge kudos from me for her hard work as our Secretary of State.  

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:53:57 AM PST

  •  Really? Already? (1+ / 0-)
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    BlueDragon

    Hillary Clinton is a brilliant woman, smarter than her husband Bill Whatzhisface.  She is committed, hard working, and compassionate.  She has heart and she has brains.  She has a vision for a reasonable world, a compassionate world, and she is strong and unafraid.  She has been tested by fire, and her greatest lessons from 2008 where twofold:  Trust herself (not the Bill on her shoulder), and let go of the past to take the hand extended by her former foe and move forward  together for the good of the nation, for the good of the world.  

    She may be too wise now to run.

    But I'll bite, Hillary 2016.  Maybe Joe will stick around for another go as VP.  He seems to be having a lot of fun.

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 10:56:44 AM PST

    •  No. Love Hillary (1+ / 0-)
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      Bobs Telecaster

      but her time has passed. We need to go forward, not back, with a new generation.

      I'm looking West.

      Hil and Bill have reached emeritus status in the party, and shouldn't have to endure the down and dirty and heartbreak of The Clinton Wars again.

      The Deification of Bill in this campaign was a thing of beauty and joy. And he loved it! Here's hoping the Clintons can keep serving and improving the party from an exalted place on the sidelines.

      "What everyone wants is a job and some hope."--RFK

      by For Dean in Dixie on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:12:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Trending on twitter last night (0+ / 0-)

    for HOURS was #Hillary2016. Nothing about christie, nothing about gillibrand, nothing about paul ryan, nothing about schweitzer. Just congratulating Obama, and getting excited for the prospects of Hillary. People on this site dont realize how popular hillary is and how many people want her to run.

  •  i'm not sure she wants to run (1+ / 0-)
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    Check077

    and although i've always liked hillary, her campaign against obama went racist at one point.

    if she would follow in bill's footsteps with triangulation and wall street, she would not help us out at all.

    i have to say that i am not really sure whether hillary is right or left of bill.

    if it means keeping the white house and making history, maybe, but we need to turn to the left if we are going to survive.

    i think elizabeth warren might just be the medicine we need.

    Donate to Occupy Wall Street here: http://nycga.cc/donate/

    by BlueDragon on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:06:33 AM PST

    •  Yeah, I think that was Bill's mistake of... (0+ / 0-)

      treating Obama like a regular white candidate.

      I didn't hear anything explicitly racist at time with two expection:

      There was news that Bill Clinton made a statement about Obama supposedly was the type of guy who would be a waiter.

      Also, Bill's fairytale statement was implicity considered racist because many Black Americans had emotionally invested in Obama at that time.

      Hillary, also, not recognizing the heightened sensitivity of any minute statement made even remotely connecting Obama being considered racist tripped over some RFK primary entrance remarks (which she negligently or unwittingly failed to check how close the timing was to RFK's assasination).

      First, Hillary needs to load her campaign with signifcant minority position (start with the Black woman that replaced Mark Penn). It seemed that her campaign turned around for the better when that occurred.

      ***Also, I loved the remarked that Bill Clinton gave about how he was "sacrificing my voice in the service to my president".

      Hillary if she does come back (and if she's running on an Obama third term and the economy is good)"should mention that she's sacrificing her life in the service of Continuing the Great Work of my President--Barack Obama."  

      •  Also, on the fairy tale statement... (0+ / 0-)

        Bill Clinton was attacking Obama based on a '90's campaign style (see him duke it out with Senator Paul Tsongas (Senator -MA) during 1992 primaries. It was an ugly experience between the two.

        The new politics calls for a more no-drama approach. Hillary should incorporate a number of comedy writers in her campaign style, so it can be a little humorous which will build cameraderie with young people.

        She needs to infuse her campaign with younger people and even acquire the services of David Plouffe or someone on that level.

  •  imo, if the economy is good in 2016, and there (0+ / 0-)

    are not other giant problems, hillary would be close to unbeatable.

    i think she could more or less maintain obama's coalition, and get a larger share of the white vote.

  •  Um no, I am a big Hillary supporter (0+ / 0-)

    But it's time for new blood. We are doing a disservice to our party if we keep recycling old ideas. I am looking forward to new, fresh faces like Martin O'Malley who is to the left of Clinton on many social issues. He's my current favorite

    Romney = Nixon without the sweating problem

    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:37:24 AM PST

  •  I'm cool with it. (1+ / 0-)
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    Check077

    But I'm going need a few months of R&R, so I'll climb aboard a couple of stops down the line.

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